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vraiblonde · 05-30-2003, 03:10 PM

Susan King
As Kenny's wife I understand some very nasty things were said about me by some yahoo who does not know me. Kenny will not tell me what the remarks were and they were deleted before I had a chance to read them. As a rule I stay out of this forum as it's Kenny's baby and I have other interests that are to me just as important. I find it hard to understand how I was even involved let alone insulted. It seems to me that some Joe Blow out there owes me an apology. Before you insult someone you should at least have the decency to know who you are attacking and what that individual has done to deserve your nastiness. My philosophy of life is to be able to lay my head down on my pillow at night to sleep knowing that I have caused know one harm and have treated others as I would like to be treated. How well do you sleep at night????
(Nobody had the guts to tell Susan what was said - they were just too ugly)

Dee Jay
I'm sure the person who wrote the posts had nothing against you - it was kind of a "your mama" thing. Probably some punk kid who thinks that stuff is funny. Surprisingly, we don't really get a lot of that sort of thing, but when we do it makes the Boss and I crazy. I was up until 2am monitoring and woke up this morning grinding my teeth at what I might find.

Anyway, hopefully the flame war is over and we've taken steps to prevent it in the future. Now we can get back to our friendly discussions!
(Yeah right)

Susan King
Dee Jay, Thank you very much for you diligence and your deletions. I do know from previous experience with SOMD.com that some very heated arguments get started, I try to stay out of it as much as possible. My communication skills are not the greatest, I'm a hardware technician not an orator so I generally stay out of the political forums. You find me on the tech lines were things do not normally become so heated. Thank you again for your kindness keep up the good work.

Rich
I would have to vote against removal of the feral cat posts. This forum is always looking for topic starters, and now that one has caught the participants’ attention, you're questioning deleting it. If particular members are annoyed or bored by a string which continues on past what some (not all) may believe is a useful lifespan, they may easily skip over that string. And though I would support trapping the string, I would fing cruelly killing/deleting it would be offensive. :) sorry - couldn't resist.

It is very interesting to read individual points of view on controversial subjects. It’s also interesting to see how theoretical suggestions on solutions to the problem of a wild animal which was causing property damage, potential threat to domesticated animals, and annoyance at 0400 can cause emotional reactions to people who are not personnally involved/affected by the problem animal.

I, unfortunately?, did not read the inflammatory posts which required deletion. I do however, believe that those types of post, the inflammatory, derogatory, etc, should be promptly deleted. If one cannot sanely conduct a debate, with reason backing up argument, then their comments have no value.

I also would suggest more quickly deleting (offensive) posts from people who are not members of this community, or regular members of these forums. But let the members debate!

elaine
I don't think inflammatory posts should be deleted. In my opinion, be it ever so humble, that's as good as infringement upon ones constitutional right to freedom of speech.

I equate inflammatory remarks to the "fart at the dinner table". Ignore it, it will go away. If you don't like a persons post or behavior on the forum, the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. When you get into a ####### contest, you are just reducing yourself to their level.
(Yeah, that's what we always thought, too. Little did we know)

Rich
Elaine, good input on the inflammatory remarks. I agree with your premise.

However, my comments RE more quickly deleting (offensive) posts from people who are not members of this community were not intended to support a members only forum. In fact, I oppose that. I believe closing the forum to the public will only stunt its purpose; to encourage dialogue and an exchange of ideas. It is important that the outside world be allowed to participate. My reference to “members” referred to people who routinely (or sporadically) post to this open forum (no matter their geographical location), as opposed to the wildcard input. And it was this wildcard input (with derogatory comments) that I intended to recommend be more quickly, for lack of better word, censored. Perhaps that is a bad suggestion.

Renee
Visit http://www.willowsbeach.com for ALL the news
(The hysterical recap of the feral cat fight - it's gone now but it was funny)

Capt Brady
Thanks Renee for capturing the subject of the boards most recent CRISIS. It saved me a great deal of searching. Amazingly, the rhetoric is very similiar to topics vigorously discussed on other boards.

One cat caused this?

Dee Jay
Obviously, the cat didn't cause this at all - it was a purely human development. The cat is probably long gone and has no idea he is famous in these forums and on Renee's website.

voter
To all those in favor of saving the poor cat from poison.

Are you as compassionate for unborn humans?

It's weird how fired up people get when you talk about an animal by how quiet everything gets when talk about burning to death a fetus with salt or sucking their brains out of their heads.

Can't do that to an animal or you'll be in jail

just an observation!
(Oops - here we go again!)

Dee Jay
I was wondering when someone would post that...

elaine
Personally, I could have lived without the visual. Thank you very much.

If you would like to discuss this subject, I think it can be approached in a more tactful and tasteful manner. Your approach just leads me to believe you got bored with the site because no one was flaming.

voter
I was simply stating a practiced medical procedure for killing unborn children in the civilized USA. The latter being a contradiction in terms. I was just making an observation at how much we all love animals, how standing up in public is the right thing to do for our animals, how making threats of lawsuits and bodily harm and everything associated with protecting animals is PC. BUT!! We are labeled "radical" to want to save our children; we are ridiculed for protesting murder, and cussed at for even wanting the unborn to be treated somewhat better than animals, which they are not now.

BTW:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ANIMAL RIGHTS!!
(He's got a point)

StillCrazy
I've read all of the earlier posts on this thread and enough of the original "Cat" thread to have some understanding of the discussion. It seems to me the underlying theme is how to deal with unwanted creatures, unborn or otherwise, human or otherwise. So, if we don't want them - duh - don't create them (spay, nueter, condom, IUD, you pick). After ten or twenty years, those "unwanted" problems will take care of themselves. Ah, if only it was a perfect world.

While we're waiting for those ten or twenty years to pass: If you've already created one (a kid), bought one (a cat/dog/alligator, etc), or adopted one and no longer want it (kid/cat/dog/alligator, etc) then dispose of it properly. No, I don't mean put Johnny or Spot in the trash! (Put Johnny on the Spot - a very bad pun, but I couldn't resist) And I don't mean feeding Spot poison or a 22 caliber round. There are means available to place these unwanteds with others that do want. We all know what they are and how to find them.

In the mean time, lets stock up on those birth control devices and stop buying pets for gifts.
(The voice of reason finally chimes in)

05-30-2003, 03:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
vraiblonde Board Mommy Member Since: Mar 2001 Location: Off the grid Posts: 66,967 Blog Entries: 2	Susan King As Kenny's wife I understand some very nasty things were said about me by some yahoo who does not know me. Kenny will not tell me what the remarks were and they were deleted before I had a chance to read them. As a rule I stay out of this forum as it's Kenny's baby and I have other interests that are to me just as important. I find it hard to understand how I was even involved let alone insulted. It seems to me that some Joe Blow out there owes me an apology. Before you insult someone you should at least have the decency to know who you are attacking and what that individual has done to deserve your nastiness. My philosophy of life is to be able to lay my head down on my pillow at night to sleep knowing that I have caused know one harm and have treated others as I would like to be treated. How well do you sleep at night???? (Nobody had the guts to tell Susan what was said - they were just too ugly) Dee Jay I'm sure the person who wrote the posts had nothing against you - it was kind of a "your mama" thing. Probably some punk kid who thinks that stuff is funny. Surprisingly, we don't really get a lot of that sort of thing, but when we do it makes the Boss and I crazy. I was up until 2am monitoring and woke up this morning grinding my teeth at what I might find. Anyway, hopefully the flame war is over and we've taken steps to prevent it in the future. Now we can get back to our friendly discussions! (Yeah right) Susan King Dee Jay, Thank you very much for you diligence and your deletions. I do know from previous experience with SOMD.com that some very heated arguments get started, I try to stay out of it as much as possible. My communication skills are not the greatest, I'm a hardware technician not an orator so I generally stay out of the political forums. You find me on the tech lines were things do not normally become so heated. Thank you again for your kindness keep up the good work. Rich I would have to vote against removal of the feral cat posts. This forum is always looking for topic starters, and now that one has caught the participants’ attention, you're questioning deleting it. If particular members are annoyed or bored by a string which continues on past what some (not all) may believe is a useful lifespan, they may easily skip over that string. And though I would support trapping the string, I would fing cruelly killing/deleting it would be offensive. :) sorry - couldn't resist. It is very interesting to read individual points of view on controversial subjects. It’s also interesting to see how theoretical suggestions on solutions to the problem of a wild animal which was causing property damage, potential threat to domesticated animals, and annoyance at 0400 can cause emotional reactions to people who are not personnally involved/affected by the problem animal. I, unfortunately?, did not read the inflammatory posts which required deletion. I do however, believe that those types of post, the inflammatory, derogatory, etc, should be promptly deleted. If one cannot sanely conduct a debate, with reason backing up argument, then their comments have no value. I also would suggest more quickly deleting (offensive) posts from people who are not members of this community, or regular members of these forums. But let the members debate! elaine I don't think inflammatory posts should be deleted. In my opinion, be it ever so humble, that's as good as infringement upon ones constitutional right to freedom of speech. I equate inflammatory remarks to the "fart at the dinner table". Ignore it, it will go away. If you don't like a persons post or behavior on the forum, the best way to deal with it is to ignore it. When you get into a ####### contest, you are just reducing yourself to their level. (Yeah, that's what we always thought, too. Little did we know) Rich Elaine, good input on the inflammatory remarks. I agree with your premise. However, my comments RE more quickly deleting (offensive) posts from people who are not members of this community were not intended to support a members only forum. In fact, I oppose that. I believe closing the forum to the public will only stunt its purpose; to encourage dialogue and an exchange of ideas. It is important that the outside world be allowed to participate. My reference to “members” referred to people who routinely (or sporadically) post to this open forum (no matter their geographical location), as opposed to the wildcard input. And it was this wildcard input (with derogatory comments) that I intended to recommend be more quickly, for lack of better word, censored. Perhaps that is a bad suggestion. Renee Visit http://www.willowsbeach.com for ALL the news (The hysterical recap of the feral cat fight - it's gone now but it was funny) Capt Brady Thanks Renee for capturing the subject of the boards most recent CRISIS. It saved me a great deal of searching. Amazingly, the rhetoric is very similiar to topics vigorously discussed on other boards. One cat caused this? Dee Jay Obviously, the cat didn't cause this at all - it was a purely human development. The cat is probably long gone and has no idea he is famous in these forums and on Renee's website. voter To all those in favor of saving the poor cat from poison. Are you as compassionate for unborn humans? It's weird how fired up people get when you talk about an animal by how quiet everything gets when talk about burning to death a fetus with salt or sucking their brains out of their heads. Can't do that to an animal or you'll be in jail just an observation! (Oops - here we go again!) Dee Jay I was wondering when someone would post that... elaine Personally, I could have lived without the visual. Thank you very much. If you would like to discuss this subject, I think it can be approached in a more tactful and tasteful manner. Your approach just leads me to believe you got bored with the site because no one was flaming. voter I was simply stating a practiced medical procedure for killing unborn children in the civilized USA. The latter being a contradiction in terms. I was just making an observation at how much we all love animals, how standing up in public is the right thing to do for our animals, how making threats of lawsuits and bodily harm and everything associated with protecting animals is PC. BUT!! We are labeled "radical" to want to save our children; we are ridiculed for protesting murder, and cussed at for even wanting the unborn to be treated somewhat better than animals, which they are not now. BTW: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ANIMAL RIGHTS!! (He's got a point) StillCrazy I've read all of the earlier posts on this thread and enough of the original "Cat" thread to have some understanding of the discussion. It seems to me the underlying theme is how to deal with unwanted creatures, unborn or otherwise, human or otherwise. So, if we don't want them - duh - don't create them (spay, nueter, condom, IUD, you pick). After ten or twenty years, those "unwanted" problems will take care of themselves. Ah, if only it was a perfect world. While we're waiting for those ten or twenty years to pass: If you've already created one (a kid), bought one (a cat/dog/alligator, etc), or adopted one and no longer want it (kid/cat/dog/alligator, etc) then dispose of it properly. No, I don't mean put Johnny or Spot in the trash! (Put Johnny on the Spot - a very bad pun, but I couldn't resist) And I don't mean feeding Spot poison or a 22 caliber round. There are means available to place these unwanteds with others that do want. We all know what they are and how to find them. In the mean time, lets stock up on those birth control devices and stop buying pets for gifts. (The voice of reason finally chimes in) __________________ Kyle's Mom's a beyotch.
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