[JPC sr]

Originally Posted by tirdun

Against my better judgment, here's one last shot:

Please tell me, JPC where this chain of logic fails.

1. Two people have a child and both provide, in some way, for that child
2. One person, lets say the Father, leaves the relationship for whatever reason
3. The child and mother are now without the Father's financial support
4. Society has determined that a parent is not relieved of responsibility to a child by leaving the relationship
5. The father, however, refuses to pay any support.
6. The state, in the interests of the child, as determined by society, orders the father to pay support.
7. During the lapse, the state pays in lieu of the father.
8. The father refuses to pay
9. Having exhausted other options, the state takes money from the Father's paycheck in order to fulfill the responsibility AND repay the state for its support in the lapse.
10. The father takes further steps to avoid payment, breaking the law in the process
11. The state arrests the father for breaking the law

Now maybe we are all misunderstanding you, but I see no failure in this logical process. You seem to be saying either that #4 is wrong (someone leaving a relationship is no longer responsible for children from that relationship) or #6 is wrong (the father cannot be legally ordered to fulfill this responsibility).

I'd love to see a real clarification of your position.

I simply agree with you completely. You have it clarified already.

And yes #4 and #6 are wrong and those make all the others as unjust and abusive against the separated parents.

In that case the father is forced into crime by not paying and then unjustly put into jail.

So here you see the problem and you know the equation but for some reason you will not make the decision yourself and testify that the child support laws are evil. That irritates me but I do understand. It takes faith to walk the walk.

So I will lead the way, and child support will fall, and I expect a lot will fall with it.