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Originally Posted by Tonio  Excellent question. Despite the scientific points I've been making, I have little objection to the deist definition of a god as an unconscious first cause. My real issue is with the definition of a god as a moral agent, because that distorts the definition of morality into simple submission. |
I both agree and disagree with that. While some religions past and present require submission, there are religions where that's not the case as evident with free will. I find that the submission has less to do with the deity andmore to do with the leaders of these churches. Per as an example, I wouldn't say that in the 1st Baptist church there is a required submission to God, but the Jim Jones cult, or that polygomist sect in Texas did require some kind of submission. There is a difference between obeying the laws of a god because you believe and want to, and being forced by a Human church leader to do so.