[This_person]

Originally Posted by wildsage

... just don't foist it on the rest of us. (By that I refer to your willful display of ignorance regarding science, not the fact that you choose a specific religion, or ANY religion.)

I don't choose ignorance. I choose learning and trying to know. Just don't call an apple an orange.

Science has proofs of many things. The scientific claims that stand the tests designed to break down and disprove those ideas, tests by people educated in that field, are accepted as theory. The judgment of naysayers who have nothing but "it couldn't happen that way" mean nothing. We're dealing with facts, not wishes.

Exactly - the tests. Show me the tests that demonstrate how a single cell can result in all of the species discussed, and I'll buy evolution as a science, not a myth on the same level as religion. Show me the test that demonstrates how life came from lifelessness, and I'll buy abiogenesis as a science, and not as a myth on the same level as religion. Show me the facts, not the wishes, and I'll believe you're discussing facts, not wishes.

You want to play on a level field, just give us SOMETHING that approaches what science provides as evidence.

I have. I've provided you nothing, as science has provided me.

What do you have? A similarity with numerous other religions which also had devout adherents who exhibited faith in the stories that they were told. None of those other religions can or could prove anything, either, yet yours is the "one" that explains everything? Your whole argument boils down to "I believe that God did it, so that must be the truth."

Well, no. But, regardless of my specific beliefs, I've yet to see anything beyond "we think it must be this way, so that's the truth" from the science side of things.

By trying to continue this battle you do your chosen religion an injustice, cheapen your beliefs, and discount your faith.

How?

Faith: belief in something with no proof or evidence.
Fine make that choice but keep it in the category where it belongs: religion. Do not try to teach faith as science.

I would suggest you do the same! Until you can show me the tests that prove abiogenesis, or the tests that demonstrate human (HUMAN) evolution, we're talking PURE FAITH in a WISH that science will one day know what the truth is.

Your rose bush? It probably came from, or is a descendant of a plant from, a garden nursery. It could be a species of wild rose -- not having visited your garden I can't discount that possibility. Maybe it isn't even a real rose. Was it placed there by a god? I consider that highly unlikely, given what I know about the way things work in the natural world.

Are you trying to be funny? It's not working. However, I'll presume you were too slow to follow - go back further, up the evolutionary chain of plant life for the parent life form of a rose bush. Go ahead, I'll wait for you to figure it out.

Funny you would write that; your responses sound like they come from someone without much education. I have studied biology, chemistry, anthropology, sociology, psychology, geology, geography, paleontology, and a few other things -- and oh yeah, theology.

Great, than you can stop sounding foolish now and use that education (or, er, did you not get very good grades? Argue with your teacher a lot about whether f=mg is the same as e=mc²?) to try and show the difference between science and abiogenesis, or the difference between science and HUMAN evolution.