A relief: much better sourcing than most of these no-read yahoos.
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Originally Posted by Nucklesack  No comments about who pays for Scientests grants? Dont want to discuss the possibility that Scientests could be also making sure they dont crap where they eat?) |
Nope, I admit that I'm not a finance guy. All I know is that scientists (other than industry mouthpieces) tend to get paid regardless, otherwise their research can be suspect. So who would pay them ? The polar bear lobby?
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Originally Posted by Nucklesack Google Carbon Offsets, also Google Al Gore Carbon Offsets, seems he made a pretty penny last year. Use the same criteria of skepticism you show towards Big Oil |
Wow, seriously had no idea that there was such a market. Of course it is relatively small compared with big oil. (Remember about 16 months ago when the RECORD annual earnings for Chevron & Exxon were published? With gas above $1 more per gallon, why aren't they back in the news?) I'm not going to defend Al Gore but I will argue that the science presented in his movie is sound.
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Originally Posted by Nucklesack We're in agreement with conservation, but once again a middle ground has to be met from both sides. |
Here's the middle ground: fossil-fuels have had the run of the playground for generations. I don't advocate shutting them down, nor the nukes at this point, but it's time to let solar & wind play a part rather than just dis them as "not ready yet."
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Originally Posted by Nucklesack |
your source: Baliunas speculated it is "likely
not the sun [my emphasis] but long-term processes on Mars and Pluto" causing the warming. However, until more information is gathered, Baliunas said, it is difficult to know for sure.
Pat Michaels [!!!], past president of the American Association of State Climatologists and senior fellow at the Cato Institute, similarly expressed a desire for more information about the Martian climate. "What is the internal dynamic that is warming Mars?" asked Michaels. "Given the fact that there are not a lot of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions on Mars, and given the fact that new research [this is from 2005] indicates that 10 to 30 percent estimated conservatively of Earth's recent warming is due to increased solar output [long since debunked], the Martian warming may support that new research."
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"The mechanism at work on Mars appears, however, to be different from that on Earth."
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Nothing offered that correlates with terrestrial processes.
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Sorry, N, the info in this article belies the headline: "the majority of climate scientists and astrophysicists agree that the sun is not to blame for the current and historically sudden uptick in global temperatures on Earth, which seems to be mostly a mess created by our own species."
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One at a time:
"Abdussamatov" repeatedly quoted as comparing warming of the other planets as analagous to earth's; ya know, the deniers consistently claim that scientists don't have enough data and/or understanding to explain Earth's warm-up but phenomena on planets that we can't even touch are sufficient refutation against the volumes of hands-on data we get from our planet?
Jay Pasachoff, an astronomy professor at Williams College, said that Pluto's global warming was "likely not connected with that of the Earth. The major way they could be connected is if the warming was caused by a large increase in suraced: nlight. But the solar constant--the amount of sunlight received each second--is carefully monitored by spacecraft, and we know the sun's output is much too steady to be changing the temperature of Pluto."