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Old 06-03-2008, 10:28 AM   #156 (permalink)
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I really wish you would pay attention the first (or second) time.
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So, what 31,000 were you talking about if not the subject of the thread?Doesn't hurt me at all. Doesn't change the FACT that the results were inaccurate and biased, but doesn't hurt to know that, no.
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Maybe they meant "Scienticians." This name gathering has been going on for 10 years and has a lot of questionable aspects.
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine - SourceWatch
The Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.
The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.
Case Study: The Oregon Petition
The Oregon Petition, sponsored by the OISM, was circulated in April 1998 in a bulk mailing to tens of thousands of U.S. scientists.
None of the coauthors of "Environmental Effects of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide" had any more standing than Robinson himself as a climate change researcher. They included Robinson's 22-year-old son, Zachary, along with astrophysicists Sallie L. Baliunas and Willie Soon.
In addition to the bulk mailing, OISM's website enables people to add their names to the petition over the Internet [update: now you click for a mail-in form], and by June 2000 it claimed to have recruited more than 19,000 scientists. The institute is so lax about screening names, however, that virtually anyone can sign, including for example Al Caruba, a pesticide-industry PR man and conservative ideologue who runs his own website called the "National Anxiety Center."
The names of the signers are available on the OISM's website, but without listing any institutional affiliations or even city of residence, making it very difficult to determine their credentials or even whether they exist at all... Even in 2003, the list was loaded with misspellings, duplications, name and title fragments, and names of non-persons, such as company names.
OISM has refused to release info on the number of mailings it made. From comments in Nature: "Virtually every scientist in every field got it," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland at College Park and spokesman for the American Physical Society. "That's a big mailing." According to the National Science Foundation, there are more than half a million science or engineering PhDs in the United States, and ten million individuals with first degrees in science or engineering.
Arthur Robinson, president of the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, the small, privately funded institute that circulated the petition, declines to say how many copies were sent out. "We're not willing to have our opponents attack us with that number, and say that the rest of the recipients are against us," he says, adding that the response was "outstanding" for a direct mail shot.
Oregon Petition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Updated campaign
In October 2007 a number of individuals reported receiving a petition closely similar to the Oregon Petition... Below the text is a signature line, a set of tick boxes for the signatory to state their academic degree (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) and field, and another tick box stating "Please send more petition cards for me to distribute." This renewed distribution has continued until at least February, 2008.
The OISM "petition" has credential & verification problems; it may as well have your name, and the guy who changes your tires, and your fishing pals, and the guy in the Subway shop and the woman in the beauty parlor -- all may have an opinion that differs from the IPCC conclusion but how many of them are likely to be knowledgeable in the relevant fields? If someone has a Bachelor of Science degree in sports medicine, that doesn't mean he or she is a scientist.

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...there are MANY skeptics, not "a few". Some even work for us. Here's a short list of "skeptics" (I prefer "realists")
contained a link to a list of professionals (not "skeptics") who (at least partially) disagree and it is more legitimate, but still a far cry from 31,000 (or 3,100 or even 310) which was the subject of this thread.
Here's a list of skeptics, "persons and organizations... [who] are not necessarily scientists or scientific organizations" Category:Global warming skeptics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia There's about, what 250 names there? With such intellectual giants as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck & Michelle Malkin I can understand that you might be in awe; maybe they are all smarter than you.
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