If Ford and GM and Chrysler are the ONLY three cars you can get and quality has long been an issue and price just keeps going up and up and service isn't all that great, in other words, if there just aren't enough options, too little competition, what is the obvious solution?

A government run car company?

Maybe more car companies allowed to compete? Toyota? Honda? Mercedes? Kia? Bob's cars?

I watch these pro government health care commercials and I just marvel at the 1+1=3 logic of it all. Yes, there is FAR too little competition in health insurance in many states, one company, two companies, by law, state law, having these monopolies. And the solution would be...???

:shrug:

If Ford and GM and Chrysler are the ONLY three cars you can get and quality has long been an issue and price just keeps going up and up and service isn't all that great, in other words, if there just aren't enough options, too little competition, what is the obvious solution?


Ooh! Oooh! Mr Kotter! Mr. Kotter! I know!

The obvious answer is to promote competition to lower costs.

What's funny is that YouTube video with Heather Graham as the toned athlete running a race against the insurance companies, as though THAT is the way to force them to compete (implying that they are in collusion with one another).

Because, funny - as I see it, they compete rather brutally with one another. If insurance companies were THAT lackadaisical, it would just take ONE determined company to take all of their business.

I almost want to make a counter video with Roseanne Barr deciding to run, and putting a lock on the gate to the track meet, and then have her sit down and chat on her cell phone after the starting gun fires. Because that would be more accurate.

A government run car company?

I watch these pro government health care commercials and I just marvel at the 1+1=3 logic of it all. Yes, there is FAR too little competition in health insurance in many states, one company, two companies, by law, state law, having these monopolies. And the solution would be...???

:shrug:
:popcorn: Having a car is not some thing all Americans need, but health care is.

What we needed was the single-payer system, and now if it were to be without even a public-option then there will remain as no universal health care.

We need universal health care, and we do not need to have Insurance companies.



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:popcorn: Having a car is not some thing all Americans need, but health care is.

What we needed was the single-payer system, and now if it were to be without even a public-option then there will remain as no universal health care.

We need universal health care, and we do not need to have Insurance companies.



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Horsesh*t!!! But thanks for playing... :coffee:

:popcorn: Having a car is not some thing all Americans need, but health care is.

What we needed was the single-payer system, and now if it were to be without even a public-option then there will remain as no universal health care.

We need universal health care, and we do not need to have Insurance companies.



:drummer:

People need food. People need shelter. People need cloths. every single day. Health care is well down the list of 'needs' and most people 'need' a car every single day. Most people do not 'need' a doctor every single day.

Life is a serious of choices based on priorities. Health care is down the list.

People HAVE health care. Anyone anywhere can go to an emergency room and be treated for what ails them. We must make that distinction. ####ing idiots like JP...don't see the difference. We are talking about health insurance not care. And these are vastly different things. And health insurance is not a neccessity or need..no matter how you look at it..

:popcorn: Having a car is not some thing all Americans need, but health care is.

What we needed was the single-payer system, and now if it were to be without even a public-option then there will remain as no universal health care.

We need universal health care, and we do not need to have Insurance companies.



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What we need is deadbeat parents to provide health care for their kids, for them to get jobs and pay their own way.

Just think if all the worthless pieces of #### deadbeats that refused to care for their own children DID, how many less children would be uninsured.. MILLIONS I'm sure.

Somehow, people survived for a very long time before health insurance even existed. They even got health care without it. It is a nicety, not a necessity.

Big Difference between "OPTION" and "REQUIRED" DU DU DA DU DUHHHH

Big Difference between "OPTION" and "REQUIRED" DU DU DA DU DUHHHH

Good thing that that they want to require you to have health insurance. :yay:

That is the problem I see with people nowadays..they are shallow thinkers. They don't want to look or think beyond a talking point or two. Obama says..hey its an option..and boom.thats all there is too it. A shallow thinker accepts that..puts it in the memory banks..and thinks no more about the issue. Someone with a little depth can think rationally about the talking point..and compare it with facts..is it indeed only going to be an option? With a little tiny bit of rational thought we can see the answer is no..for reasons outlined in countless threads.

How do we fix this shallow thinking? I really don't know. we can hope that constantly pointing out discrepencies between talking points and facts..will bring them around. But I don't think that for most people it will. Cognitive dissonance is powerful..and people have so many ways to alleviate it. If we can make people aware of this..it may help. It cedrtainly helped clear my thinking.

How do we fix this shallow thinking? I really don't know.


Simple. Get rid of the teachers unions. Like all unions, their interests have nothing to do with the quality of the product and everything to do with the interests of the union.

Of course, the parents accept it as it is so, it falls back on us. :buddies:

Simple. Get rid of the teachers unions. Like all unions, their interests have nothing to do with the quality of the product and everything to do with the interests of the union.
Of course, the parents accept it as it is so, it falls back on us. :buddies:

when I was in school..up until college, nearly every test I took was multiple choice. Simply saying "I choose C" is no way to learn or develop your own thought process. Without strong parents to make them see this is not the way of the world, many students use this as a way to get through life. "I choose C"

when I was in school..up until college, nearly every test I took was multiple choice. Simply saying "I choose C" is no way to learn or develop your own thought process. Without strong parents to make them see this is not the way of the world, many students use this as a way to get through life. "I choose C"

Washington Post commentator Colbert King, some years back, tells the story of their new e mail system and how the contractor didn't get paid until everyone knew how to use the system. Period.

If we, the people, think it is a good idea to spread basic public education, and I think it is, then we, the people, seeings how we're paying for it, should demand that no one gets out of school unless they know how to use the system. Or chooses to go join the Marines and let them teach 'em.

People need food. People need shelter. People need cloths. every single day. Health care is well down the list of 'needs' and most people 'need' a car every single day. Most people do not 'need' a doctor every single day.

Life is a serious of choices based on priorities. Health care is down the list.
:popcorn: It is a low priority to many people because those are healthy or have ready health care, but for those that do not have health Insurance or inadequate coverage then their priority is far increased.

And I would go much farther in that our Leaders know that it is in our own better interest to get everyone health care even for those that resist it, and this can only be accomplished through universal health care provided under gov authority.

Like a poorer citizen without health Insurance having some ailment like AIDS or syphilis or gang green or TB or some unknown disease, etc, then it is in our society's better interest if we can persuade such citizens to enter the health care system without resistance and with our encouragements.

An under-Insured employee could spread TB to the entire company roster, and even swine flu can be spread by un-Insured children or adults, and we have the possibility of some new infectious disease popping up and we need any citizen to feel they have no reason not to go to a Doctor for a "free" or Insured examination.

A lot of poor and working people do not care if they have health care or not, but the rest of us (or many of us) want the sick to get health care no matter what, and even if they do not want it.

This is what makes the health care into a higher priority in my understanding.



:drummer:

:popcorn: It is a low priority to many people because those are healthy or have ready health care, but for those that do not have health Insurance or inadequate coverage then their priority is far increased.

Over food? Over shelter? Over cloths? Over a job? Over a big screen TV?

We do need health care reform. We need single payer. We need you or me or whomever to pay for all the health care we'd like to purchase. Or not purchase.

We need to get third parties OUT of the system because they and they alone are the reason why health care, as a service, has ZERO market discipline.

:buddies:

This thread has gang green.

good thing I have a good job who offers health insurance.

good thing I have a good job who offers health insurance.

Nope. That's part of the problem. You don't pay it. What do you care?

How much would your car or home owners insurance cost if they were paying it?

The answer is not 'less'. :buddies:

Nope. That's part of the problem. You don't pay it. What do you care?

How much would your car or home owners insurance cost if they were paying it?

The answer is not 'less'. :buddies:

Yup...same goes for taxes, Social Security, etc. People would pay a lot more attention to it if the money went into their bank accounts and they had to write a check to pay for it.

Yup...same goes for taxes, Social Security, etc. People would pay a lot more attention to it if the money went into their bank accounts and they had to write a check to pay for it.

A more perfect union.

:buddies:

I DO pay for it.

Thanks!

see that? That is exactly what I mean by "I choose c"

Yup...same goes for taxes, Social Security, etc. People would pay a lot more attention to it if the money went into their bank accounts and they had to write a check to pay for it.
:popcorn: People would not pay any of that if they were given the option.

It is the gov that needs all citizens with health care whether the citizens want it or not.



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good thing I have a good job who offers health insurance.

I DO pay for it.

Thanks!

???

??? Why confused?

They offer it should she want to pay for it... it's optional for an employee to sign up for insurance. I signed up for it and I pay a premium out of each paycheck as a result. Those who don't chose to sign up for it don't get money deducted from their paycheck. Simple concept.

:popcorn: People would not pay any of that if they were given the option.

Honest, upstanding citizen would pay for it because they follow the law. It's the losers of society who don't pay because the disagree with the law...that description sounds familiar for some reason. :whistle:

However, those honest, upstanding citizens would be writing those checks and then immediately writing their representatives to give them a piece of their mind. After getting angry letters from all of their constituents, those representatives might be inclined to make some changes. That's how it should work.

I DO pay for it.

Thanks!

QUICK! Off the top of your head...how much do you pay per pay period?

But you do not carry the cost. The cost of the insurance is subsidized by your employer..then the cost of care is subsidized by insurance. 20 dollar copay and all-you-can-eat health care..are not really "paying for it." in any sense.

Granted I am quite happy with my insurance. I enjoy not being burdened with the cost should I go to the doc for a check up or cuz I'm sick. I also realize, though, that if people had to pay out of pocket for services..it would be much different.

Why confused?

They offer it should she want to pay for it... it's optional for an employee to sign up for insurance. I signed up for it and I pay a premium out of each paycheck as a result. Those who don't chose to sign up for it don't get money deducted from their paycheck. Simple concept.



The way I read her first post was that it was a perq offered by her company. Then she said she pays for it. That's not an 'offer' or a perq in my book.

The way I read her first post was that it was a perq offered by her company. Then she said she pays for it. That's not an 'offer' or a perq in my book.

Well, actually it is a perq to be offered a way into group insurance. If our company didn't go through the trouble to secure group insurance availability for us to chose from our only option would be private insurance and the cost would be greater and the benefits/coverage would be less. Being in a "group insurance" provides the security of being able to jump from one "group insurance" to another group insurance without getting penalized/denied for pre-existing treatments/conditions. I was on one contract beginning in 1985 through 2001. Even though I provided unbroken service to that customer/job, I had to work for 6 different companies (a new one each time the contract was up for renewal and awarded to a different bidder). If I didn't have the protection of the rules/regulations in place for group insurance, I would have been denied coverage for things I had on-going at the time of a switch. I consider that to be a perq.

all I know is that once Im forced to pay some foolish amount to cover health care for the lazy bastages that leach off of society, Im heading to the ER everytime I fart.
I will do my best to break the system.
I suggest others do the same.

:popcorn: People would not pay any of that if they were given the option.

It is the gov that needs all citizens with health care whether the citizens want it or not.



:drummer:

They also wouldn't pay their child support payments if given the option..

What's your point?

Well, actually it is a perq to be offered a way into group insurance. If our company didn't go through the trouble to secure group insurance availability for us to chose from our only option would be private insurance and the cost would be greater and the benefits/coverage would be less. Being in a "group insurance" provides the security of being able to jump from one "group insurance" to another group insurance without getting penalized/denied for pre-existing treatments/conditions. I was on one contract beginning in 1985 through 2001. Even though I provided unbroken service to that customer/job, I had to work for 6 different companies (a new one each time the contract was up for renewal and awarded to a different bidder). If I didn't have the protection of the rules/regulations in place for group insurance, I would have been denied coverage for things I had on-going at the time of a switch. I consider that to be a perq.

So, seeings how your options seem to be so severely limited and you've had some tough issues to deal with, wouldn't it serve your interests if the monopolies insurance companies posses, the ones they use to make things so tough on you, were eliminated so that market competition would come into play and you could choose the policy that suits you best?

Or do you prefer being beholden to companies? If so, how about they offer you the 'perq' of handling your food, shelter and clothing as well?

The ONLY reason insurance is such a nightmare is precisely because of the lack of market forces. :shrug:

The ONLY reason insurance is such a nightmare is precisely because of the lack of market forces. :shrug:

I completely agree with you, but NOONE, NO BILL, NO REVIEW PANEL, NO SUGGESTION BOARD is addressing that issue. Because of that, we are screwed no matter what.

I completely agree with you...

Then THAT is what needs to be focused on, the agreement. In your view and mine, the SOLUTION to health care reform is to use the constitutions commerce clause to eliminate interstate commerce barriers protecting insurance monopolies.

Further, we need to make it impractical to rely on a third party for goods or services a free and responsible person needs to be handling.

Agreed?

:buddies:

Then THAT is what needs to be focused on, the agreement. In your view and mine, the SOLUTION to health care reform is to use the constitutions commerce clause to eliminate interstate commerce barriers protecting insurance monopolies.

Further, we need to make it impractical to rely on a third party for goods or services a free and responsible person needs to be handling.

Agreed?

:buddies:

Not wanting to argue, but to simple pose a question in the form of a statement.

Insurance is not affected by free market influences.

Auto insurance is mandated if you want a car. The liability the insurance company risks is defined by the policy. IE: replacement of vehicle. They know replacing your 2004 Dodge Neon can only cost them XXXXX and the PIP is capped at XXXXX. Using formulas they can calculate the maximum monetary risk your policy is and adjust the premium to cover than risk.

Health insurance, like is proposed does not have defined limits. If a person becomes ill it could cost enormously and continue for years and years. How can the companies calculate the premium on such an open ended liability and how could that premium ever be competitive against others?

I agree that the interstate barriers ought to be eliminated, but I am of the mind that a group can broker better prices with an insurance company than I can as individual. For that reason, I like that I get my insurance through my employer.

Personally, I won't be happy with any healthcare reform that does not include torte reform.

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Since the big issue is that health care costs "too much," who is getting too rich?

Is it the insurers at 2-3% ? Eliminating insurance company profits wouldn't yield a noticable savings.

Is it the providers? I don't think so, but their reimbursement is about to be cut.

Is it big pharma? Yes, but they made a sweetheart deal and won't be cut.

Is it fraud? Yes, $60 billion per year, but there are no proposals to fix that.

So where do we cut? Look for the part that is expensive, yet provides almost no benefit to the patient. Compliance and administration. HIPAA, JCAHO, PCI DAA, Sarbanes-Oxley, Labor Laws, State Laws, etc.....

Now, can anyone tell me that they think that adding more government will REDUCE the amount of administrative support required?

They also wouldn't pay their child support payments if given the option..
:killingme That was funny, :killingme and so very true.



What's your point?
:popcorn: The Health care is a far different issue as it is to cover every citizen and not just targeting a smaller group.

The greater threat to the gov is worse then the threat to the poorest persons without health care, because the sick person can just drop into a Hospital and will get relief, but the gov can not have sick or diseased persons that fail to get medical attention, and that means we need to find a way to get the sick persons into appropriate medications or else it can severely affect our society in horrific ways by having untreated diseases running around.

So health care reform is more-so a need of gov and for society rather then a need for individual citizens.

That is my point.



:drummer:

The Government option is merely an option at this point in time. In the future after they have driven out the Private Companies, there will be no option. There will be Government insurance. Thats it.

Anyone who doesnt believe that, isnt paying attention.

The Government option is merely an option at this point in time. In the future after they have driven out the Private Companies, there will be no option. There will be Government insurance. Thats it.

Anyone who doesnt believe that, isnt paying attention.

That's right. Anthony Weiner, to his credit, flat out said the goal was the eventual end of private insurance companies. The end. Out of business.
Gone.

:buddies:

Not wanting to argue, but to simple pose a question in the form of a statement.

Insurance is not affected by free market influences.

Auto insurance is mandated if you want a car. The liability the insurance company risks is defined by the policy. IE: replacement of vehicle. They know replacing your 2004 Dodge Neon can only cost them XXXXX and the PIP is capped at XXXXX. Using formulas they can calculate the maximum monetary risk your policy is and adjust the premium to cover than risk.

Health insurance, like is proposed does not have defined limits. If a person becomes ill it could cost enormously and continue for years and years. How can the companies calculate the premium on such an open ended liability and how could that premium ever be competitive against others?

Easy; let 'em do it. They WILL figure it out. That is the beauty of free markets.

Look at the liability component of car insurance. That's not a fixed place in space. It's a calculated, educated guess.

How many auto insurance commercials you see a day? What are they pounding on? Price, price, price. And there's tons of choices and small little insurers, too.

How many health insurance commercials?

What's that suggest?

That's right. Anthony Weiner, to his credit, flat out said the goal was the eventual end of private insurance companies. The end. Out of business.
Gone.

:buddies:


Are you saying that's a good thing?

Easy; let 'em do it. They WILL figure it out. That is the beauty of free markets.

Look at the liability component of car insurance. That's not a fixed place in space. It's a calculated, educated guess.

How many auto insurance commercials you see a day? What are they pounding on? Price, price, price. And there's tons of choices and small little insurers, too.

How many health insurance commercials?

What's that suggest?

The unfortunate thing is that the government wants everyone on the government plan. There's no way that private insurance companies would be able to compete in a market so regulated by a government that wants to put them out of business.

Are you saying that's a good thing?

In so far as at least he is being up front and honest with what the American left actually wants, yes.

We live ever more in 1984. All the left wing sycophants in the media plus the Obamites sit there and sneer and dismiss cries and accusations of 'socialist' yet that is 100% what they want and what they are. They say so when they're not busy denying it. Public option = socialized medicine. It's just that simple.

:buddies:

The Government option is merely an option at this point in time. In the future after they have driven out the Private Companies, there will be no option. There will be Government insurance. Thats it.

Anyone who doesnt believe that, isnt paying attention.
:getdown: That really is the ideal to have the single-payer system, link HERE (http://www.pnhp.org/facts/what_is_single_payer.php).

The Insurance companies are a drain on our society and we could live fine without them.

If they make health care reform without a Public option then we will have no real improvement.



:drummer:

:popcorn: People would not pay any of that if they were given the option.

It is the gov that needs all citizens with health care whether the citizens want it or not.



:drummer:

It is the gov that needs all dead beat dads to pay child support whether the dead beat dads want to or not.

The Government intends to pass this health care Bullsh!t and then legalise 20 million Mexican & Hispanic immigrants who will then be citizens and will bring another 100 million in here to do it up right ,and totally ruin the economic situation in this country.

WTF is wrong with these people?

The Government intends to pass this health care Bullsh!t and then legalise 20 million Mexican & Hispanic immigrants who will then be citizens and will bring another 100 million in here to do it up right ,and totally ruin the economic situation in this country.

WTF is wrong with these people?That is exactly what the current adminstration wants and that is what they are going to do if we give them a chance. Obama sits there and says, "we are not going to give healthcare to illegals." Obviously, what he's not saying is that he is going to give them and anyone else coming into this country illegally, amnesty and citizenship. That is his agenda. Anyone that can't see that, better take a long hard look at the last 10 months.

That is exactly what the current adminstration wants and that is what they are going to do if we give them a chance. Obama sits there and says, "we are not going to give healthcare to illegals." Obviously, what he's not saying is that he is going to give them and anyone else coming into this country illegally, amnesty and citizenship. That is his agenda. Anyone that can't see that, better take a long hard look at the last 10 months.
:doh: I see that above as one of the real issues, that the opponents of health care reform are just drunk in their ignorant prejudices about illegal people getting some free health care as if the USA is going to deny a sick person medical attention just because of their social status.

So if an illegal person comes to a Hospital as sick or injured then are we not going to give them medical assistance? I would expect we would, and it would be inhuman and criminal to deny medical help to one in need.


:patriot:

:doh: I see that above as one of the real issues, that the opponents of health care reform are just drunk in their ignorant prejudices about illegal people getting some free health care as if the USA is going to deny a sick person medical attention just because of their social status.

So if an illegal person comes to a Hospital as sick or injured then are we not going to give them medical assistance? I would expect we would, and it would be inhuman and criminal to deny medical help to one in need.


:patriot:


see, heres your problem.
You dont pay, you dont support yourself, you dont work, you have no dog in this hunt.

Until you can actually get a job, then watch your dollars being givin away to the lazy bastards that pollute our country (as in you) you really just need to keep your opinion to yourself and STFU. Nobody really cares what you think.

Someone that refuses to pay into the country should have no right to take out of the country.

best I can say is to put the sick illegals on a cattle plane and drop them back off in their own country. (where they do have health care by the way)

see, heres your problem.
You dont pay, you dont support yourself, you dont work, you have no dog in this hunt.

Until you can actually get a job, then watch your dollars being givin away to the lazy bastards that pollute our country (as in you) you really just need to keep your opinion to yourself and STFU. Nobody really cares what you think.

Someone that refuses to pay into the country should have no right to take out of the country.

best I can say is to put the sick illegals on a cattle plane and drop them back off in their own country. (where they do have health care by the way)I can only see what the idiot said, because you quoted him. I've had him on ignore ever since he appeared back on the board. Your last statement pretty much says it. What don't people understand about "illegal?"

I can only see what the idiot said, because you quoted him. I've had him on ignore ever since he appeared back on the board. Your last statement pretty much says it. What don't people understand about "illegal?"
I truly apologize.
I pray you were not eating at the moment.

I truly apologize.
I pray you were not eating at the moment. Not eating lunch yet. :lol:

What don't people understand about "illegal?"
:getdown: Many people seem to not understand that a person called as "illegal" is still entitled to medical assistance when needed.

The very idea that the USA is going to deny medical assistance to a person in need based on their legality status is barbaric and shameful.



:patriot:

Public option = socialized medicine. It's just that simple.
:doh: The Public option is a rightful step in that direction, but we really need to go the whole way with the "Single payer" system and completely kick the Insurance Companies out of the health care business.

The Insurance Companies will still be filthy rich in Life Insurance and for Floods and car Insurance and on and on.

And as far as "Socialism" goes it is not being applied in every aspect of the USA, while it is the sensible thing to do in health care.

Socialism means serving "society" as in "social" servant, and society working to include all citizens into the social program.

Capitalism means NOT serving society but rather Capitalism means serving the top as in giving the money and resources to the small top / the capitol and NOT to the bottom or the large population at the bottom of society.

And if we do make Socialized Health Care then we will still have the big rich Capitalist living like Kings and Queens at the expense of the work force that serves them.



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:lalala:
I wont quote him at this time in order to try and save your sense of dignity.

I will respond to his last two posts however.

JP, since you don't work, and have not worked for many years, you do not contribute to the money it will take to run health care.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but, until you do contribute, your opinion is really not worth a whole lot, and it would be best if you didn't actually comment on support, or non support of any program at this point.

now, for once be a good little boy and run along and play.. I hear 235 is a good place to play.

JP, since you don't work, and have not worked for many years, you do not contribute to the money it will take to run health care.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but, until you do contribute, your opinion is really not worth a whole lot, and it would be best if you didn't actually comment on support, or non support of any program at this point.
:doh: No one escapes paying taxes so I do still contribute.

And I do not agree that a person must contribute to respect their opinions but for the record I do contribute.

I pay taxes whenever buying something at the Liquor Store and when buying anything for my truck and even when I paid my registration fee as a candidate for Governor as that was my contributing to the program.

So I am a tax payer. :razz:



:patriot:

:doh: No one escapes paying taxes so I do still contribute.

And I do not agree that a person must contribute to respect their opinions but for the record I do contribute.

I pay taxes whenever buying something at the Liquor Store and when buying anything for my truck and even when I paid my registration fee as a candidate for Governor as that was my contributing to the program.

So I am a tax payer. :razz:



:patriot:

If you get the money from the government for free without working, is it really paying taxes on earned income?

I think not.

do something productive.

until then, I suggest you accept the fact that you are a taker and not a giver.

I wont quote him at this time in order to try and save your sense of dignity.

I will respond to his last two posts however.

JP, since you don't work, and have not worked for many years, you do not contribute to the money it will take to run health care.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but, until you do contribute, your opinion is really not worth a whole lot, and it would be best if you didn't actually comment on support, or non support of any program at this point.

now, for once be a good little boy and run along and play.. I hear 235 is a good place to play.

Well, thank you bcp, but I'm afraid there's no escaping it.

I really try to avoid being personally critical towards people, but I am astounded at how incoherent JP’s thought processes are. Most of me really feels sorry for the guy because it’s obvious he has issues. There’s also a part of me that kind of respects him… He really takes some hard punches, but he never lashes back with personal attacks. He just marches on with his points.

I really didn't think about it this way until just now. Am I weird for feeling this way?

Sorry... :offtopic: ..........I know

I really didn't think about it this way until just now. Am I weird for feeling this way?

Sorry... :offtopic: ..........I know
no, not weird at all. and there certainly is no reason to apologize for the way you think or feel. You come to conclusions with logic.