....now what? :popcorn: When do I become overly impressed with myself and begin to feel superior to the mere mortals still using....dare I say it? pcs! :yikes:

Stay tuned while I take this baby through its paces! :lol:

Welcome to the fold... :lmao: So, what are the details?

As soon as you hear about the latest virus attacking Vista or Outlook you will get an ov erwhelming feeling of smugness. :biggrin:

As soon as you hear about the latest virus attacking Vista or Outlook you will get an ov erwhelming feeling of smugness. :biggrin:

I should have known....great minds.... :howdy:

Here's a snapshot of "what's in my bag" (had to insert some golf talk):

iMac 2.16Ghz Intel Core duo processor
1Gb of SDRAM (expandable to 3gb)
250 gb Hard Drive
usual dvd+r/cd/cd/rw
20 inch widescreen lcd display
ATI x1600 graphics processor
built in bluetooth, etc. etc.

You know, all the stuff that you need to attain total concsiousness (and smugness). :biggrin:

Hey, I'll be down your way for the Jazz Fest on Saturday. We'll try to keep the noise down....

....now what? :popcorn: When do I become overly impressed with myself and begin to feel superior to the mere mortals still using....dare I say it? pcs! :yikes:

Stay tuned while I take this baby through its paces! :lol:
Just about every PM I worked with liked apples v. oranges. Being a Dell given scum-sucking consultant, I've stuck with pc's - and Dell's - tho I had to work with both. I probably won't change, but I'm not "anti" Mac either. :yay: :yay:

Too cool for school, mon!

I should have known....great minds.... :howdy:

Here's a snapshot of "what's in my bag" (had to insert some golf talk):

iMac 2.16Ghz Intel Core duo processor
1Gb of SDRAM (expandable to 3gb)
250 gb Hard Drive
usual dvd+r/cd/cd/rw
20 inch widescreen lcd display
ATI x1600 graphics processor
built in bluetooth, etc. etc.

You know, all the stuff that you need to attain total concsiousness (and smugness). :biggrin:

Hey, I'll be down your way for the Jazz Fest on Saturday. We'll try to keep the noise down....
You could swing by after the show, you have my cell #. I'll give you and Mrs. Nupe the grand tour.

Just about every PM I worked with liked apples v. oranges. Being a Dell given scum-sucking consultant, I've stuck with pc's - and Dell's - tho I had to work with both. I probably won't change, but I'm not "anti" Mac either. :yay: :yay:

Too cool for school, mon!
I've never gotten a virus on either of my 3 Windows XP computers I'm currently running.

Don't know what all you Mac lovers are so scared of.

....now what? :popcorn: When do I become overly impressed with myself and begin to feel superior to the mere mortals still using....dare I say it? pcs! :yikes:

Stay tuned while I take this baby through its paces! :lol:


:howdy: Welcome to a whole new world. :huggy:

I've never gotten a virus on either of my 3 Windows XP computers I'm currently running.

Don't know what all you Mac lovers are so scared of.


It's not being 'scared', it's just being wiser. :yay:

It's not being 'scared', it's just being wiser. :yay:
Show me what cool new games I can play on my new Mac! :jet:

As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to the Mac vs PC vs Linux smackdown...shoot, just use what works for you. I'm running Ubuntu Linux and it works great for what I need - basic email, websurfing, running my business (I'm an AVON lady). My husband uses WinXP cause he's a gamer (Battlefield Vietnam, Star Wars Galaxies)

Got a call from my dad today (I'm the defacto tech support for my parents) Seems that their WinXP comp is so borked that it's not even loading into SAFE mode. He's looking into a Mac (he was having a MAJOR 'I HATE MICROSOFT' b**chfest today) but I do have a question for the Mac fans on the board: If he were to get a Mac would he still be able to use his beloved AutoCAD?

Don't know what all you Mac lovers are so scared of.


Nothing...

Show me what cool new games I can play on my new Mac! :jet:

Any games can be played on the Mac if you have Boot Camp or are running parallels. :shrug:

Weren't you the one biatching about Vista??

As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to the Mac vs PC vs Linux smackdown...shoot, just use what works for you. I'm running Ubuntu Linux and it works great for what I need - basic email, websurfing, running my business (I'm an AVON lady). My husband uses WinXP cause he's a gamer (Battlefield Vietnam, Star Wars Galaxies)

Got a call from my dad today (I'm the defacto tech support for my parents) Seems that their WinXP comp is so borked that it's not even loading into SAFE mode. He's looking into a Mac (he was having a MAJOR 'I HATE MICROSOFT' b**chfest today) but I do have a question for the Mac fans on the board: If he were to get a Mac would he still be able to use his beloved AutoCAD?


Gee Which Version ......... checking the autodesk website it looks like AC has gotten quite specialized ...........

but also check paralylls web site for compatibility issues ...........

maybe you can even do a ubuntu - wine configuration for your dad ....

:coffee:


Mac Attack! An enterprise PC shop switches to Apple
Julia King


July 16, 2007 (Computerworld) It's little things like the small silver Apple logo on CIO Dale Frantz’s crisp white shirt that signal the sea change in the works at Auto Warehousing Co.Over the next 60 days, AWC will begin systematically pulling the plug on all Windows-based PCs in its cavernous auto processing shop and power up Macs to execute virtually all of its revenue-generating operations. The move comes on the heels of a quiet wholesale replacement of Windows-based servers for data storage and Web operations, which are now running on Apple Inc.’s Xserve RAID machines.

“This is not a vengeance case,” Frantz says, referring to his 2006 tangle with Microsoft over threatening letters from the vendor that made false accusations about unlicensed software.

Instead, AWC’s new strategic enterprise technology plan is the direct result of proof-of-concept testing that indicates that the company can cut costs, increase system reliability and security, and provide expanded IT support services by porting a major portion of its IT infrastructure to Apple. Extricating itself from its exclusive dependence on Microsoft is simply the cherry on top.


http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=298043&source=NLT_PM&nlid=8



:whistle:

:howdy: Welcome to a whole new world. :huggy:

So far so good. I did the bootcamp install this evening and that seemed to go pretty well. The only problem is that I haven't been able to get my flight simulator program to recognize my joystick and throttle. I'm still fiddling around with this thing. :jameo:

So far so good. I did the bootcamp install this evening and that seemed to go pretty well. The only problem is that I haven't been able to get my flight simulator program to recognize my joystick and throttle. I'm still fiddling around with this thing. :jameo:


kewl ........ what are you flying ?

I have MS FS 3 Battle for Britain, MS Flight Sim X A Century of Flight, and My current fav: Il2-Sturmovik 1946

I love the Piper Cub in FS X, and BF-109k10, FW 190 A8 in IL2 ..... I am done shooting down slow moving bombers, now moving up to Dog Fighting .......

AM5 Zero vs F4F Wildcat ......... not good enough to take on Hellcat yet .....

oh and the Spit vs Me110 is a nice match up too ...........


:snacks:

kewl ........ what are you flying ?

I have MS FS 3 Battle for Britain, MS Flight Sim X A Century of Flight, and My current fav: Il2-Sturmovik 1946

I love the Piper Cub in FS X, and BF-109k10, FW 190 A8 in IL2 ..... I am done shooting down slow moving bombers, now moving up to Dog Fighting .......

AM5 Zero vs F4F Wildcat ......... not good enough to take on Hellcat yet .....

oh and the Spit vs Me110 is a nice match up too ...........


:snacks:

Right now just flying Falcon Allied Force. I have IL2 but haven't gotten into that too much. Gotta get flying so I'm going to download the updated drivers and hope that fixes the problem.

WTG Nupe! :yay:

I still use my Sony Viao about 1/4 of the time, but like my Mac more.

Any games can be played on the Mac if you have Boot Camp or are running parallels. :shrug:

Weren't you the one biatching about Vista??

:shrug: Why buy a Mac for gaming if you need to run Windows on it in order to game? Why not just get a Windows box and save the trouble? I doubt a Mac could compete with a true Windows gaming system in performance.

:shrug: Why buy a Mac for gaming if you need to run Windows on it in order to game? Why not just get a Windows box and save the trouble? I doubt a Mac could compete with a true Windows gaming system in performance.


Because Macs are more reliable AND user friendly than Windows. :shrug:

:shrug: Why buy a Mac for gaming if you need to run Windows on it in order to game? Why not just get a Windows box and save the trouble? I doubt a Mac could compete with a true Windows gaming system in performance.


higher quality in manufacturing than Dell's HP's, or other PC's

buying a Mac is like getting a Lexus, not a Yugo ........... :whistle:

buying a Mac is like getting a Lexus, not a Yugo ........... :whistle:

:high5:

higher quality in manufacturing than Dell's HP's, or other PC's

buying a Mac is like getting a Lexus, not a Yugo ........... :whistle: :killingme Then you've never seen the Ferraris that run Windows :dude: . Please; Dell, HP or other mass produced systems are not gaming rigs and from what I see Apple uses alot of the exact same hardware as many PCs so your not really getting any higher quality. I stand by my earlier statement that if your a gamer you'd do better with a true Windows gaming rig than an out of the box Mac. A Mac is no better nor anymore reliable than a Windows box. It's all about what you want to use it for and to a lesser extent preference.

:killingme Then you've never seen the Ferraris that run Windows :dude: . Please; Dell, HP or other mass produced systems are not gaming rigs and from what I see Apple uses alot of the exact same hardware as many PCs so your not really getting any higher quality. I stand by my earlier statement that if your a gamer you'd do better with a true Windows gaming rig than an out of the box Mac. A Mac is no better nor anymore reliable than a Windows box. It's all about what you want to use it for and to a lesser extent preference.
Macs are Intel-based, so hardware wise, it's a lot like a lower end PC, since Intel video, audio, and processors suck.

Plus, when a new game comes out - if you have a PC, and you need to upgrade, you can spend $50 and get the videocard, RAM or whatever you need.

But a Mac is convinent, you pick up your Mac, throw it away and go spend $1,000+ for a new Mac! :jet:

Windows doesn't run any better on a Mac. The only reason people buy Macs is for the operating system (and my Blackberry can do more than a Mac :razz:)

Because Macs are more reliable AND user friendly than Windows. :shrug:
:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme

Tell that to the 3 people who work downstairs from me!!!

A Mac is no better nor anymore reliable than a Windows box.


:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

:killingme Then you've never seen the Ferraris that run Windows :dude: . Please; Dell, HP or other mass produced systems are not gaming rigs and from what I see Apple uses alot of the exact same hardware as many PCs so your not really getting any higher quality. I stand by my earlier statement that if your a gamer you'd do better with a true Windows gaming rig than an out of the box Mac. A Mac is no better nor anymore reliable than a Windows box. It's all about what you want to use it for and to a lesser extent preference.


Well Alienware was always my droolworthy machine for gaming .......... :whistle:

Explain this :

http://oldmac.toddverbeek.com:8012/

This web site runs on a Macintosh SE, one of the little all-in-one "classic" Macintoshes. It's a model that had already been discontinued when the World Wide Web was created in the early 90's. It has the same basic horsepower as the original 1984 Mac. And yet, it's still capable of acting as a personal web server.

The Mac SE has a Motorola 68000 CPU running at 8MHz, and I've installed a full complement of 4MB RAM in this one. The SE was the first Mac to include a built-in hard drive, though earlier models could connect to an external unit. This machine has a 40MB drive, and it's the "FDHD" version of the SE, which means it has a high-density (1.44MB) diskette drive, also capable of reading PC disks. The monitor is a modest 9-inch screen displaying 512x384 resolution, in black and white (no shades of grey). It's connected to the internet via an Asante EN/SC 10T, an ethernet adapter that takes advantage of the high-speed (by 1980's standards) SCSI expansion port available on the back.

While this sounds incredibly primitive, this is the hardware platform that put PageMaker on the map (and in doing so, put Macs in a lot of print and design shops, where they're still considered standard equipment). Not to mention that the Mac SE ran earlier versons of Freehand, Illustrator, Quark Xpress, PowerPoint, Word, FileMaker, and others. Well-written software can get a lot out of hardware like this.


80's Mac SE running @ 8Mhz still doing work as a web server ........ how many DOS machines from that era can make the same claim ? :tap:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/19/infosec-sellout-disappears-worm-now-claimed-to-affect-os-x-10-4/





That sucks.

I'm sure all you Mac users think I am anti-Mac. That is completely untrue. I will admit to being anti-Mac User though. What duimbfounds and annoys me most about Macs has nothing to do with the computers, it's the a large percentage of the people who use them. Mac users are so blinded by the hype around Macs that they will tout the greatness of a Mac to someone shopping for a new system whether a Mac is truly the best choice or not. After all, it's a Mac it has to be the best choice.

I love Linux. It's fast, reliable, and I really like the interface. I don't use it, nor would I throw it out there as a recommendation for anyone looking for a system. Why? While I love the operating system and believe it to have great potential; I just can't do everything on it that I want/need to. Sure I could load up WINE and probably get alot of my stuff to work. However if I do that then I need to stand back and look at the situation and ask "Why am I doing this? Could everything I want/need to do be done under the other operating system?". If the answer is yes, then I truly should be using the other system and let Linux go. Which I did. Sure I still play with it some on an old box, but it's not my main system.

Same applies to any system out there. If you like a Mac and you can do everything you want/need with a Mac without resorting to loading another OS or utility to run another OS's applications then great. A Mac is a perfect choice for you. Macs have some great features and applications available to them. However the second you try to leave that Mac world to run something not originally intended for a Mac you need to ask the same question. If someone comes up to me and says I'm a gamer and I was thinking about getting a Mac. I would tell them they were a fool. Why? Because there truly are few game options for a Mac, Windows is the preferred platform that companies release games for. Sure they could do some things to get the Windows games to run on their Mac. But a low-end gaming PC will most likely outperform a Mac trying to run the same games. It just wasn't designed for that purpose and would not be a good recommenation for that person.

Windows and Macs are both just as reliable. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have both had egg on their faces at one time or another while touting how great their systems are only to have them crash and burn right there in front of the media they were there to impress. My current system has been running for 3+ years without a hitch. I've never reloaded the operating system, though I'd like to but thats mainly because I am too lazy to go searching the system to see if I really still need that application loaded. Wiping it would just be easier. I still have plenty of disk space and the system runs great so I do not see the need to go through the trouble. Dell and HP while not great, aren't terrible. They fill exactly the niche they are trying for a low cost system for the average user. It is very unfair and narrow-minded to brand all Windows boxes as low quality pieces of junk riddled with problems. High quality systems exist, but I doubt you'll find them on the shelf at your local Walmart or Best Buy.

Is Windows subject to more problems? Sure, it holds the lion's share of the computer market. The problems arise mostly from unstable software/hardware out there created by some fly by night company, hackers, and viruses. If you avoid those and properly shield your system from attacks then Windows remains just as reliable as a Mac. All of these are the price Windows pays for being the most popular OS. If the tables were turned and Mac was on top, I am positive we would be able to say the same thing about them.

An old Mac running as a web server, yes that is impressive. Both Apple and Microsoft have had some impressive accomplishments. I mean come on, you truly need to give Microsoft some credit. They have created an operating system that is capable of working on an almost limitless combination of hardware. If we compared all possible Mac hardware combinations to all the possible Windows (PC) hardware combinations it would be like comparing an ant hill to Mount Everest. To be able to stand there and say "Yes, it is capable of running that hardware together under Windows" is truly impressive. Apple can't claim that, they dictate what hardware goes into their systems and they create their OS around that ideal (not really a bad thing as it does contribute to their stability, it's just not very impressive).

Would I ever recommend a Mac? Sure, they have their plusses but they are by no means the right system for every person out there. Just like I would never recommend some high end gaming rig for someone who just wants to surf the web. We could all go back and forth for hours on the pros and cons of each, but in the end what we really should be saying is "What do you want a computer for?". I shall now climb off my soapbox.

I just don't like the mac interface. It doesn't work the way I want it to. I have the same problem with iPods. I don't like the interface. Apple just doesn't think the way I do. :shrug:

I wake up in the morning and piss excellence.
No more racing for you, Ricky Bobby!

I just watched that last night for about the 10th or 12th time. :killingme

I'm sure all you Mac users think I am anti-Mac. That is completely untrue. I will admit to being anti-Mac User though. What duimbfounds and annoys me most about Macs has nothing to do with the computers, it's the a large percentage of the people who use them. Mac users are so blinded by the hype around Macs that they will tout the greatness of a Mac to someone shopping for a new system whether a Mac is truly the best choice or not. After all, it's a Mac it has to be the best choice.

I love Linux. It's fast, reliable, and I really like the interface. I don't use it, nor would I throw it out there as a recommendation for anyone looking for a system. Why? While I love the operating system and believe it to have great potential; I just can't do everything on it that I want/need to. Sure I could load up WINE and probably get alot of my stuff to work. However if I do that then I need to stand back and look at the situation and ask "Why am I doing this? Could everything I want/need to do be done under the other operating system?". If the answer is yes, then I truly should be using the other system and let Linux go. Which I did. Sure I still play with it some on an old box, but it's not my main system.

Same applies to any system out there. If you like a Mac and you can do everything you want/need with a Mac without resorting to loading another OS or utility to run another OS's applications then great. A Mac is a perfect choice for you. Macs have some great features and applications available to them. However the second you try to leave that Mac world to run something not originally intended for a Mac you need to ask the same question. If someone comes up to me and says I'm a gamer and I was thinking about getting a Mac. I would tell them they were a fool. Why? Because there truly are few game options for a Mac, Windows is the preferred platform that companies release games for. Sure they could do some things to get the Windows games to run on their Mac. But a low-end gaming PC will most likely outperform a Mac trying to run the same games. It just wasn't designed for that purpose and would not be a good recommenation for that person.

Windows and Macs are both just as reliable. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates have both had egg on their faces at one time or another while touting how great their systems are only to have them crash and burn right there in front of the media they were there to impress. My current system has been running for 3+ years without a hitch. I've never reloaded the operating system, though I'd like to but thats mainly because I am too lazy to go searching the system to see if I really still need that application loaded. Wiping it would just be easier. I still have plenty of disk space and the system runs great so I do not see the need to go through the trouble. Dell and HP while not great, aren't terrible. They fill exactly the niche they are trying for a low cost system for the average user. It is very unfair and narrow-minded to brand all Windows boxes as low quality pieces of junk riddled with problems. High quality systems exist, but I doubt you'll find them on the shelf at your local Walmart or Best Buy.

Is Windows subject to more problems? Sure, it holds the lion's share of the computer market. The problems arise mostly from unstable software/hardware out there created by some fly by night company, hackers, and viruses. If you avoid those and properly shield your system from attacks then Windows remains just as reliable as a Mac. All of these are the price Windows pays for being the most popular OS. If the tables were turned and Mac was on top, I am positive we would be able to say the same thing about them.

An old Mac running as a web server, yes that is impressive. Both Apple and Microsoft have had some impressive accomplishments. I mean come on, you truly need to give Microsoft some credit. They have created an operating system that is capable of working on an almost limitless combination of hardware. If we compared all possible Mac hardware combinations to all the possible Windows (PC) hardware combinations it would be like comparing an ant hill to Mount Everest. To be able to stand there and say "Yes, it is capable of running that hardware together under Windows" is truly impressive. Apple can't claim that, they dictate what hardware goes into their systems and they create their OS around that ideal (not really a bad thing as it does contribute to their stability, it's just not very impressive).

Would I ever recommend a Mac? Sure, they have their plusses but they are by no means the right system for every person out there. Just like I would never recommend some high end gaming rig for someone who just wants to surf the web. We could all go back and forth for hours on the pros and cons of each, but in the end what we really should be saying is "What do you want a computer for?". I shall now climb off my soapbox.


I don't have time to read all that, but I just wanted to say that I don't care if you like Mac or not. That's the great thing about this country - you get an option. :yay:

I don't have time to read all that, but I just wanted to say that I don't care if you like Mac or not. That's the great thing about this country - you get an option. :yay:

point proven :peace:

I don't have time to read all that, but I just wanted to say that I don't care if you like Mac or not. That's the great thing about this country - you get an option. :yay:
I have an old Toshiba 386 that runs better than a Mac. :razz: