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Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:19 PM
Baby Found Dead In Car In Concord
Father Says He Forgot About Him..
(From CNN website)

How can you "forget" to drop your child off and then leave him in your van for 6 hours?
Your lunch or keys..yes..but your son???


CONCORD, Calif. -- A man who said he mistakenly left his 11-month-old son in a hot car for more than six hours while he went to work was arrested Wednesday night in the boy's death.

Danny Takemoto, 46, of Benicia, was booked on suspicion of felony manslaughter, said Concord police Lt. David Chilimidos.

Takemoto told police that he neglected to drop off the child at a day care center and instead drove to work Wednesday morning, Chilimidos said.

"For whatever reason, the father forgot about the son," Chilimidos said.

Takemoto's wife phoned him shortly before 3:30 p.m. to ask why the day care had called her to report that her son was not there, prompting Takemoto to race out to the van and find the lifeless body of his son still strapped in the car seat, the lieutenant said.

The temperature in Concord reached 81 degrees Wednesday but would have been much higher inside the vehicle.

An autopsy likely would be conducted Thursday, authorities said.

At least 15 small children have died so far this year nationwide after being left in hot vehicles, according to a study published in Pediatrics, the Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics and updated July 12. Last year, 29 children died, and 42 died in 2005, the study said.

Under California law, leaving a child, age 6 or younger, alone in a vehicle is a citable offense

How in the hell can you forget about your child?
How can no one notice a child left alone in a van for 6 SIX hours?

Windows to dark? Too much window tint?

In the photos, the van looks like a Honda Oddessy (sp).

Dondi
07-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Linky?

mv_princess
07-26-2007, 12:21 PM
Sadly a lot of parents forget about their kid in the back seat. Maybe he doesn't normally drop him off, and if they baby fell asleep?

I am not saying it's right, just saying it happens

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:23 PM
Linky?

As noted: CNN website.......
But just for you
LINKY (http://www.kcra.com/news/13757790/detail.html)

Nickel
07-26-2007, 12:25 PM
As noted: CNN website.......
But just for you
LINKY (http://www.kcra.com/news/13757790/detail.html)
That is decidedly not CNN's website. :lol:

Really sad story, and unfortunately it happens too often. :frown:

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:26 PM
Sadly a lot of parents forget about their kid in the back seat. Maybe he doesn't normally drop him off, and if they baby fell asleep?

I am not saying it's right, just saying it happens

So it is a common thing to forget about your child and let it die?

mv_princess
07-26-2007, 12:27 PM
So it is a common thing to forget about your child and let it die?
I didn't once say it was common. But I did say it happens.

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:27 PM
That is decidedly not CNN's website. :lol:

Really sad story, and unfortunately it happens too often. :frown:


Here ya go:
http://www.cnn.com/

Scroll down list of stories and see #10.....and click on that...OK?
KCRA: Baby found dead in van after dad forgets

barncat
07-26-2007, 12:28 PM
How sad, I really don't understand how someone could forget their child in a vehicle.

CSI did an episode on this, it ended up the parents did it on purpose because they were afraid the child had an illness and was going to die anyway.

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:29 PM
I didn't once say it was common. But I did say it happens.

You said, "Sadly a lot of parents forget about their kid in the back seat."

So if a lot forget, than it is a common event....Yes??? No????

Just was not aware that a lot of parents forgot about their kids....

luckystar07
07-26-2007, 12:31 PM
How sad, I really don't understand how someone could forget their child in a vehicle.

CSI did an episode on this, it ended up the parents did it on purpose because they were afraid the child had an illness and was going to die anyway.

Yes it is very sad, to me I dont know how you forget about your kid??? :frown: and I saw that CSI too.

mv_princess
07-26-2007, 12:32 PM
You said, "Sadly a lot of parents forget about their kid in the back seat."

So if a lot forget, than it is a common event....Yes??? No????

Just was not aware that a lot of parents forgot about their kids....
Yes it happens. And often times its when the other parent has to drop them off that normally doesn't.

I don't understand why you don't get that. You have never forgotten something? Yeah it was his kid, yeah it's a HUGE deal. But no where is it saying he did this on purpose.

Now maybe you are just looking for someone to fight with.

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:44 PM
Yes it happens. And often times its when the other parent has to drop them off that normally doesn't.

I don't understand why you don't get that. You have never forgotten something? Yeah it was his kid, yeah it's a HUGE deal. But no where is it saying he did this on purpose.

Now maybe you are just looking for someone to fight with.



I am not looking for a fight..so dont try and start one.

I am not a parent, and was shocked to see the article..and can not figure how someone would forget their child...

You said a lot of parents forget and I was not aware it was a common event..
I am not a parent and figured you are and know more about this than I do, and spoke up based on your knowledge and experience...that is all....

I did not say he did it on purpose...

I am just at a loss as to how a parent would forget about thier child in their own car. And you gave me an answer.


I remember on Easter morning, while on duty in a medical enter Emergency Room, holding a dead infant for the partent to say "goodbye" to.

Baby died of SIDS, came in via the ambulance, CPR in progress, and it was dead..tiny little girl in pink jammies....dead in a blanket in my arms because I could not put it on the table.

Parents came in with Doc and Chaplin and said goodbyes and it was very, very hard to walk out of that room and into the morgue area and place that tiny baby girl in the adult sized vault and to shut it.
That happened in 1977 and I will NEVER forget it. It was a Navy family at a Navy Medical Center...

I am not picking a fight...
So whoever left me ALL the red karma...I dont deserve it.....and I hope you feel real BIG and MIGHTY about leaving it.

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 12:47 PM
Thank you ONE and ALL for the red....

Sad..............really sad.....

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Baby forgotten by Dad, ... 07-26-2007 12:32 PM you're such an ass
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mv_princess
07-26-2007, 12:49 PM
I am not looking for a fight..so dont try and start one.

I am not a parent, and was shocked to see the article..and can not figure how someone would forget their child...

You said a lot of parents forget and I was not aware it was a common event..
I am not a parent and figured you are and know more about this than I do, and spoke up based on your knowledge and experience...that is all....

I did not say he did it on purpose...

I am just at a loss as to how a parent would forget about thier child in their own car. And you gave me an answer.


I remember on Easter morning, while on duty in a medical enter Emergency Room, holding a dead infant for the partent to say "goodbye" to.

Baby died of SIDS, came in via the ambulance, CPR in progress, and it was dead..tiny little girl in pink jammies....dead in a blanket in my arms because I could not put it on the table.

Parents came in with Doc and Chaplin and said goodbyes and it was very, very hard to walk out of that room and into the morgue area and place that tiny baby girl in the adult sized vault and to shut it.
That happened in 1977 and I will NEVER forget it. It was a Navy family at a Navy Medical Center...

I am not picking a fight...
So whoever left me ALL the red karma...I dont deserve it.....and I hope you feel real BIG and MIGHTY about leaving it.
No I am not a parent. And no I am not speaking from experience.

I have seen stories like this before. And they suck. And those parents have more guilt than any amount of jail could give them. Unless of course they did it on purpose.

Parents have a lot of stress, and sometimes they forget things, they do things they shouldn't. Again I am not trying to make up a reason for him forgetting his child. I am just trying to say don't make him out to be some horrible monster he may not be.

jenbengen
07-26-2007, 12:58 PM
I saw a father on Oprah a long time ago who had to take his son to daycare early in the morning. He never normally took the kid, but the mom couldn't for whatever reason. The father forgot about the baby because it was sleeping and he said he got into his morning mode of thinking about work. He saw his coworkers outside trying to bust into his car and it finally hit him what was going on. He was completely tortured by what happened. He wasn't charged with anything, but he looked like he was paying his dues already.

I personally can't imagine "forgetting", but this particular guy on Oprah actually seemed legit. Not sure about the new story from Concord though!

Tinkerbell
07-26-2007, 01:04 PM
When my oldest was about 3 years old, I got going on the drive to work and was thinking about stuff and completely drove right by my daycare workers road. I dropped her off every day, but for some reason, on this day, I just drove right by it. I got to work, parked my car, and then when I reached in the passenger seat to get my purse, I saw something out of the corner of my eye. That something was my daughter. I looked at her, she said "Hi mommy. Can I go to daycare." I took her to daycare and came back to work. But that really shook me up. I completely forgot she was back there. My commute was only down Chancellor's Run to Great Mills Road, so maybe if it had been longer I would have realized sooner. But still... it does happen. I'm just glad mine turned out really well.


Now..... bring on the red I'm sure I'll get for being such a "bad" mommy.

Bay_Kat
07-26-2007, 01:04 PM
Sadly a lot of parents forget about their kid in the back seat. Maybe he doesn't normally drop him off, and if they baby fell asleep?

I am not saying it's right, just saying it happens

The ones that get me are the ones that leave the kid in the vehicle and go to work knowing the child is in the vehicle. They can't afford daycare and this is their solution. This happened a few years back at St. Charles Towne Center in Waldorf. One of the Mexican housekeeping people left her baby in the car then later found it not breathing. How sad.

Inkpen
07-26-2007, 01:06 PM
No I am not a parent. And no I am not speaking from experience.

I have seen stories like this before. And they suck. And those parents have more guilt than any amount of jail could give them. Unless of course they did it on purpose.

Parents have a lot of stress, and sometimes they forget things, they do things they shouldn't. Again I am not trying to make up a reason for him forgetting his child. I am just trying to say don't make him out to be some horrible monster he may not be.


I am not making him anything....

I read the article and my first thought was "How can a parent forget?"

It is horrible...I saw how those parents beat themselves up because their baby died of SIDS..a diagnoisis so new in 1977...they blamed themselves and kept saying what if I had done this or that..It tore me up....and it still haunts me.

I will spare you of the other times as a Navy corpsman and later as an EMT the horrors of dong CPR on a dead baby for over an hour over the Pacific Ocean enroute to Hawaii.....with the parents screaming and the aircrew doing their best to calm them down and finally being relieved by medics who rushed onboard at Hawaii............

I just should on said nothing and let the news article pass by and posted someone else about perverts and crabs....


So dont accusing me of trying to start a fight...

I am not a parent and just do not understand how this can happen and you gave me answers/explaination...thank you.

kwillia
07-26-2007, 01:08 PM
I am a parent and I'll speak from my experience. :howdy:

The first few years of my children's lives were a blur to me. The lack of solid sleep, the juggling of career and home, and the added day to day stuff from family and friends made for a foggy mind. As horrid as it sounds, I can see how this could happen.

julz20684
07-26-2007, 01:10 PM
I am a parent and I'll speak from my experience. :howdy:

The first few years of my children's lives were a blur to me. The lack of solid sleep, the juggling of career and home, and the added day to day stuff from family and friends made for a foggy mind. As horrid as it sounds, I can see how this could happen.

:yay:

baileydog
07-26-2007, 01:28 PM
My ex tells a story about when his daughter was like a couple months old him and the then wife were going to the movies, 1st time out since birth, and in all the hoopla walked out the door and got in car and got a block or so away and realized they forgot baby. Opps.

AnnieC
07-26-2007, 01:33 PM
heres more detailed story....

experts say 36 kids die a year in cars....

I got kids and it can be confusing who has who and where dad is going with what kids...all about communication and counting car seats...

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An 11-month-old boy died in the back seat of the family car in Concord on Tuesday after his father apparently forgot to drop him off at day care and instead left him locked inside the vehicle while he spent the day at work, police said.

The father, 46-year-old Danny Takemoto of Benicia, left home early Tuesday with his son strapped into a child seat, according to Concord police Lt. David Chilimidos.

The boy was identified Thursday by the Contra Costa County Coroner's office as 11-month-old Ian Takemoto.

The man did not stop at the child care center and went directly to his office at a medical equipment company at 4040 Nelson Ave., parking his car, a blue Honda sedan, in the lot near the office.

His wife phoned him at work shortly before 3:30 p.m. to ask why the child care facility had called her to report that her son was not there. In horror, Takemoto raced outside to the car and found the lifeless body of his son still strapped in the car seat, Chilimidos said.

Temperatures in Concord reached 80 on Tuesday, but the car windows were believed to have been rolled up, and extreme temperatures inside the car were probably a factor in the child's death, he said.

"It doesn't take very long to elevate the internal temperature inside a closed car," Chilimidos said.

Police questioned the father at police headquarters and booked him into county jail in Martinez on suspicion of manslaughter, Chilimidos said.

A woman who opened the front door of the family home in Benicia on Wednesday night and identified herself as a relative of the Takemotos said of the couple: "They're very distraught."

Every year, authorities say, about three dozen U.S. children die of heat stroke after being left unattended in cars. Even a day with average weather conditions can raise temperatures inside a vehicle to life-threatening levels.

Several cases have occurred in the Bay Area in recent years in which children died after being left unattended in cars.

In 2002, Lonnie Sopko, 60, of South San Francisco was charged with involuntary manslaughter after leaving his 5-month-old granddaughter, Kiana, inside a hot car, where she was found dead hours later. Sopko told authorities he had forgotten to drop his granddaughter off with the sitter.

On Tuesday, after hearing of the death in Concord, the mother of Kiana Sopko said she could hardly believe such tragedies continue to occur.

"Oh, my God, not again," said Viengxay Sopko. "Why does this happen? It made me sick to my stomach."

Sopko, who moved from South San Francisco to Salt Lake City after the tragedy, said that to this day she walks through parking lots and peeks in the windows of strangers' cars to make sure no children are locked inside.

"It sounds crazy, I know," she said.

She said she has reconciled with her father-in-law, who was ordered by a judge to speak to new parents' groups about the danger of leaving children in cars.

Sopko said she has trained herself to turn around and stare at the empty child seats in her own car even when she knows that her two surviving children -- Kalysa, 4, and Kasidy, 2 -- aren't in them. And then, after getting out of the car, she always looks a second time, through the car window.

Also in 2002, Bretta Kendall, 48, of Oakland was charged with involuntary manslaughter after she left her 8-week-old grandson in her car while she went to work. Kendall told authorities she forgot her grandson was in the car.

A year earlier, Brian Gilbert, 25, of San Jose left his 5-month-old son, Kyle, in a baby seat inside his car while he watched a television cartoon at a relative's home. Gilbert told authorities he forgot all about his son when he went into his friend's home. He was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to four years of probation.

In 2005, Rena Corban of Healdsburg was sentenced to seven years in prison after her 2-year-old son died in a locked minivan in the driveway of her home while she went inside the home and passed out from the effects of Vicodin and alcohol.

At about the same time, in a study published in the journal Pediatrics, a Stanford University professor found that the temperature inside a parked car increases 19 degrees within 10 minutes and 40 degrees within a daytime hour, regardless of outside temperature. The sharp increase is due to the greenhouse effect -- the sun's rays pass through the windows, but the interior heat cannot escape.

"The take-home message is that you should never leave kids alone in a car,'' said Dr. James Quinn, an associate professor of emergency medicine at Stanford.

Cracking the windows or running the air conditioning before turning off the engine does not keep the car any cooler.

Children are particularly vulnerable because they have a higher ratio of body surface area to weight, the study found.

Nine states, including California, have laws designed to prevent children from dying in overheated cars. In California, "Kaitlyn's Law" makes it illegal for any parent or guardian to leave any child 6 years or younger in a car without supervision.

Another medical study found that most deaths occur when an adult simply forgets a child is in the car. Others occur when children accidentally lock themselves inside a car or when a parent intentionally leaves a child in a car to run an errand.

Wednesday night, the parking lot that was the scene of the tragedy was nearly deserted. One departing employee of the office building where Takemoto worked hurried to her parked car, visibly upset.

"It's painful right now, sorry," she said, and drove off.
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found it here
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/07/26/MNGPER76GR1.DTL

HappyCats
07-26-2007, 01:44 PM
When my oldest was about 3 years old, I got going on the drive to work and was thinking about stuff and completely drove right by my daycare workers road. I dropped her off every day, but for some reason, on this day, I just drove right by it. I got to work, parked my car, and then when I reached in the passenger seat to get my purse, I saw something out of the corner of my eye. That something was my daughter. I looked at her, she said "Hi mommy. Can I go to daycare." I took her to daycare and came back to work. But that really shook me up. I completely forgot she was back there. My commute was only down Chancellor's Run to Great Mills Road, so maybe if it had been longer I would have realized sooner. But still... it does happen. I'm just glad mine turned out really well.


Now..... bring on the red I'm sure I'll get for being such a "bad" mommy.


I did the same thing one day. Didn't hit me until my daughter said, "Why arent we going to Miss Linda's?" I was freaked too. And I too was the one that ALWAYS takes her to day care. Haven't you ever missed your turn or wondered how in the world you got to where you were because you were so preoccupied while you were driving? It happens, lets just pray it never happens this bad to any of us.

desertrat
07-26-2007, 01:49 PM
I am a parent and I'll speak from my experience. :howdy:

The first few years of my children's lives were a blur to me. The lack of solid sleep, the juggling of career and home, and the added day to day stuff from family and friends made for a foggy mind. As horrid as it sounds, I can see how this could happen.
I can easily see how it someone could forget to drop your kid off or whatever, but I'd think it would pop to the top of your brain within a few minutes.

Geek
07-26-2007, 02:02 PM
I wonder if reactions would be different if the story was written differently. I have found that the media writes stories in such a way that it gets the most rise out of us.

Like
"Father drives to work while thinking about recent death of his mother. Forgets sleeping baby in van. Upon finding the child, his screams of agony could be heard for miles. Bystanders watced as his soul shattered. He refused to let go of child."

As long as we can continue to be human we will make mistakes. Raising kids is dangerous business. Even if you do everything right and never ever make a mistake 24/7, things can still go wrong. Now if it is found he did it on purpose or is a crackhead nightmare, then hang him. But if he is just human, his suffering is more than most of us can imagine.

MMDad
07-26-2007, 02:02 PM
My ex tells a story about when his daughter was like a couple months old him and the then wife were going to the movies, 1st time out since birth, and in all the hoopla walked out the door and got in car and got a block or so away and realized they forgot baby. Opps.
:cool:

BS Gal
07-26-2007, 02:07 PM
You said, "Sadly a lot of parents forget about their kid in the back seat."

So if a lot forget, than it is a common event....Yes??? No????

Just was not aware that a lot of parents forgot about their kids....

:rolleyes:

ocean733
07-26-2007, 02:13 PM
I remember on the news (and I can't remember when or where) a grandfather forgot about his grandchild in the car. The child actually died if I remember right. I think the grandfather was suicidal after that (or at least seemed to be that torn up about it). How sad.

river rat
07-26-2007, 02:16 PM
When my oldest was about 3 years old, I got going on the drive to work and was thinking about stuff and completely drove right by my daycare workers road. I dropped her off every day, but for some reason, on this day, I just drove right by it. I got to work, parked my car, and then when I reached in the passenger seat to get my purse, I saw something out of the corner of my eye. That something was my daughter. I looked at her, she said "Hi mommy. Can I go to daycare." I took her to daycare and came back to work. But that really shook me up. I completely forgot she was back there. My commute was only down Chancellor's Run to Great Mills Road, so maybe if it had been longer I would have realized sooner. But still... it does happen. I'm just glad mine turned out really well.


Now..... bring on the red I'm sure I'll get for being such a "bad" mommy.


No you are not a bad mommy, just a busy one as I am sure was this mans problem.
The unduanting pressures we as a society put on ourselves to "keep up" have got us all :jameo: all of the time.
I have forgotten milk in the hot truck (I am not comparing milk to children) but my point is to not pursecute the more man unitl he is actually proven guilty.

It's like a effing witch hunt all the time in the news.

Nickel
07-26-2007, 02:30 PM
When my oldest was about 3 years old, I got going on the drive to work and was thinking about stuff and completely drove right by my daycare workers road. I dropped her off every day, but for some reason, on this day, I just drove right by it. I got to work, parked my car, and then when I reached in the passenger seat to get my purse, I saw something out of the corner of my eye. That something was my daughter. I looked at her, she said "Hi mommy. Can I go to daycare." I took her to daycare and came back to work. But that really shook me up. I completely forgot she was back there. My commute was only down Chancellor's Run to Great Mills Road, so maybe if it had been longer I would have realized sooner. But still... it does happen. I'm just glad mine turned out really well.


Now..... bring on the red I'm sure I'll get for being such a "bad" mommy.
I did something similar once, but my son (being the no-nonsense little guy he's always been) piped up way before I got to work. :lol: I want to say he was 1.5 or 2 years old. Instead of turning left at the end of a road to go to daycare, I turned right to go to work (no clue why, I dropped him off every day). I got about a mile down the road and he says "Mommy, this is the wrong way". :ohwell:

K_Jo
07-26-2007, 02:31 PM
I took an empty cat carrier to the vet once.

Cowgirl
07-26-2007, 02:46 PM
I did something similar once, but my son (being the no-nonsense little guy he's always been) piped up way before I got to work. :lol: I want to say he was 1.5 or 2 years old. Instead of turning left at the end of a road to go to daycare, I turned right to go to work (no clue why, I dropped him off every day). I got about a mile down the road and he says "Mommy, this is the wrong way". :ohwell:


This wouldn't work for us. Boy will sometimes say we're going the wrong way, when in fact we are going the same way we always go. :lol: But, this same boy can point out every doctor's office that his grandmother has ever been to (which is alot, because she's a hypochondriac). :ohwell:

virgovictoria
07-26-2007, 02:49 PM
This wouldn't work for us. Boy will sometimes say we're going the wrong way, when in fact we are going the same way we always go. :lol: But, this same boy can point out every doctor's office that his grandmother has ever been to (which is alot, because she's a hypochondriac). :ohwell:
:lol:

K_Jo
07-26-2007, 07:16 PM
I took an empty cat carrier to the vet once.
River Rat! Your karma! OMG! :faint: :roflmao:

CMC122
07-26-2007, 07:49 PM
I took an empty cat carrier to the vet once.:roflmao:

ocean733
07-26-2007, 09:12 PM
I took an empty cat carrier to the vet once.

:lmao:


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