On the 19th of August (Sunday) I picked up a Hertz rental at 4pm and left my POV. I returned at 7pm and my POV had been towed away. I had to pay $190.00 in cash to get my truck back.

So don’t leave your vehicle in the parking lot even for three hours or David Long will have it towed away!

Kerry Grant

On the 20th of August I picked up a Hertz rental at 4pm and left my POV. I returned at 7pm and my POV had been towed away. I had to pay $190.00 in cash to get my truck back.

So don’t leave your vehicle in the parking lot even for three hours or David Long will have it towed away!

Kerry Grant
grantk@tecsysint.com

Your real name is Kerry Grant? :killingme

On the 20th of August I picked up a Hertz rental at 4pm and left my POV. I returned at 7pm and my POV had been towed away. I had to pay $190.00 in cash to get my truck back.

So don’t leave your vehicle in the parking lot even for three hours or David Long will have it towed away!

Kerry Grant
grantk@tecsysint.com
Happened to a guy I work with a couple years ago.

I wonder if that's why they put up about five thousand signs warning you?

I wonder if that's why they put up about five thousand signs warning you?

There is always one of you in the crowd! Thanks for sharing your wisdom and FYI ~ I didn't see the signs because I parked in front of Hertz and I had NEVER been in that parking before in my life! The point is that Dave Long is an a$$ and don't park your car in his precious parking lot. You reap what you sow and I’m sure Dave will get his seven fold…

Your real name is Kerry Grant? :killingme

:lalala: lol

There is always one of you in the crowd! Thanks for sharing your wisdom and FYI ~ I didn't see the signs because I parked in front of Hertz and I had NEVER been in that parking before in my life! The point is that Dave Long as an a$$ and don't park your car in his precious parking lot. You reap what you sow and I’m sure Dave will get his seven fold…

Does this guy own the shopping center?

If I was a leasee and found out he was towing my customers vehicles I'd be pissed.

There is always one of you in the crowd! Thanks for sharing your wisdom and FYI ~ I didn't see the signs because I parked in front of Hertz and I had NEVER been in that parking before in my life! The point is that Dave Long as an a$$ and don't park your car in his precious parking lot. You reap what you sow and I’m sure Dave will get his seven fold… There's a big sign in the office with a map of the parking lot showing where you will be towed. The warning was there. Why not accept some of the responsibility?

As for the bowling alley, if you had 100 spots for your customers, and 30 of those were constantly filled with people storing their car for a week, wouldn't you want to do something about it?

Personally, I think that bowling alley is a disgusting broken down dump, and I will not go there. The parking thing is just one more nail in the coffin for them.

What?

Does this guy own the shopping center?

If I was a leasee and found out he was towing my customers vehicles I'd be pissed. Hewitts, who runs the Hertz office, is fully aware of the policy. That's why they put up signs.

If you leased space that included parking, then customers of another business used the parking you pay for, wouldn't you want to do something about it?

Hewitts, who runs the Hertz office, is fully aware of the policy. That's why they put up signs.

If you leased space that included parking, then customers of another business used the parking you pay for, wouldn't you want to do something about it?

Yes, but he said he parked by Hertz, so I assumed he was in one of their alotted spaces. In circumstances like that I usually ask if it's ok to leave my car somewhere for X amount of time first, espcially if I'm in tow-happy Northern Virginia.

There's a big sign in the office with a map of the parking lot showing where you will be towed. The warning was there. Why not accept some of the responsibility?

As for the bowling alley, if you had 100 spots for your customers, and 30 of those were constantly filled with people storing their car for a week, wouldn't you want to do something about it?

Personally, I think that bowling alley is a disgusting broken down dump, and I will not go there. The parking thing is just one more nail in the coffin for them.

I do accept responsibility and I never said I didn't!

I simply wanted the readers to know and not make the same mistake I did. You simply are hijacking a thread because obviously you haven’t better things to do. Nice touch however with how dumpy the place is…

Nevertheless, I went back after the truck was towed and saw the signs. When its 3:59 and the store closes up at 4pm the last thing you are doing is reading freaking signs….

Anyway, I went back to Hertz and saw the faded out letter size sign mentioning towing. I never saw it, but yet I take responsibility that I didn’t have a ride to drop me off, and that I completely didn’t see any signs. Karma is alive and well. In addition, my company said we will now use enterprise. Is it Hertz (Hewitts Problem?) not really, but its piss poor business that a person can’t come back three hours later and retrieve their vehicle.

not sure how close hertz is to the bowling alley; however, did you think to mention to hertz that you planned to leave your car? if so, they should have told you that towing is enforced if left on the bowling alley lot. if you didn't bother to ask or ignore the signs(if only for 3 hours) then you have to take responsiblity for your actions.

Mr. Long can run his parking lot how he wants, but I think I would have waited until at least Monday morning being that it was on a Sunday evening my truck was towed.

not sure how close hertz is to the bowling alley; however, did you think to mention to hertz that you planned to leave your car? if so, they should have told you that towing is enforced if left on the bowling alley lot. if you didn't bother to ask or ignore the signs(if only for 3 hours) then you have to take responsiblity for your actions.


My bad that I didn’t ask… Yet again, lesson learned that maybe someone else can learn from and save $190.00.

FYI~ the tow driver said normally the vehicles are tagged and towed after 24 hours. He said my truck wasn’t tagged and he didn’t understand why he had to tow it. He didn’t mind the $190.00. lol…. This particular towing company is the only company left in Saint Mary’s that will respond to calls from the bowling alley fwiw. Meaning Mr. Long is hurting other business (towing companies) for conducting shady practices.

My question is why did you have to pay to get your vehicle back? Who impounds cars in St Mary's besides the police? Were you in the Hertz parking area? I just don't understand how someone can have a car towed if it's not in front of/ in the parking area of their business. What am I missing here?

My question is why did you have to pay to get your vehicle back? Who impounds cars in St Mary's besides the police? Were you in the Hertz parking area? I just don't understand how someone can have a car towed if it's not in front of/ in the parking area of their business. What am I missing here?

Willie's Towing was the name of the company. I was in the furthest parking spot from the bowling alley in front of Hertz. Technically it was the last spot of the bowling alley that no one would park to walk to the bowling alley. The irony is that the bowling alley is always dead and I’ve never seen more than six cars parking there. It just seems shady, and to pay in cash just sends a red flag. Not a VISA or check accepted although I can understand no checks, but it just seems odd to pay in cash.

Willie's Towing was the name of the company. I was in the furthest parking spot from the bowling alley in front of Hertz. Technically it was the last spot of the bowling alley that no one would park to walk to the bowling alley. The irony is that the bowling alley is always dead and I’ve never seen more than six cars parking there. It just seems shady, and to pay in cash just sends a red flag. Not a VISA or check accepted although I can understand no checks, but it just seems odd to pay in cash.So your complaining her will fix it? Why not call the BBB?

Willie's Towing was the name of the company. I was in the furthest parking spot from the bowling alley in front of Hertz. Technically it was the last spot of the bowling alley that no one would park to walk to the bowling alley. The irony is that the bowling alley is always dead and I’ve never seen more than six cars parking there. It just seems shady, and to pay in cash just sends a red flag. Not a VISA or check accepted although I can understand no checks, but it just seems odd to pay in cash.

sounds shady, typical of some broke down control freak.... Raze the entire strip and build a borders books and a white castles
:larry:

That does seem very strange.

Did they give you a reciept?

That does seem very strange.

Did they give you a reciept?

:smack: Willie don't play dat sheet! He probably gives a cut to the bowling alley owner.

Why be pissed at the bowling alley? It's clearly a scam, but you should be angry at Hertz for not warning you. They must get a kickback, too.

Why be pissed at the bowling alley? It's clearly a scam, but you should be angry at Hertz for not warning you. They must get a kickback, too.


Hertz does warn. As mentioned already, there's a sign plus a big aerial photo of the parking lot with the no parking zone outlined. Can't get much clearer than that.

Hertz does warn. As mentioned already, there's a sign plus a big aerial photo of the parking lot with the no parking zone outlined. Can't get much clearer than that.In that case, lolz!

Willie's Towing was the name of the company. I was in the furthest parking spot from the bowling alley in front of Hertz. Technically it was the last spot of the bowling alley that no one would park to walk to the bowling alley. The irony is that the bowling alley is always dead and I’ve never seen more than six cars parking there. It just seems shady, and to pay in cash just sends a red flag. Not a VISA or check accepted although I can understand no checks, but it just seems odd to pay in cash.
Willie's charged my son ALMOST $300 for towing his car and 4 days storage (the day they towed the car, the two days they were closed, and the day we went to pick it up) for towing the car from Sheetz, on 235 to Willie's. Yet Kevin's Towing only charged me about $30 to tow my truck down from St Leaonard to Cheseldine.

Willie's Towing was the name of the company. I was in the furthest parking spot from the bowling alley in front of Hertz. Technically it was the last spot of the bowling alley that no one would park to walk to the bowling alley. The irony is that the bowling alley is always dead and I’ve never seen more than six cars parking there. It just seems shady, and to pay in cash just sends a red flag. Not a VISA or check accepted although I can understand no checks, but it just seems odd to pay in cash.
Willie's is cheatin the IRS would be my bet..

Willie's charged my son ALMOST $300 for towing his car and 4 days storage (the day they towed the car, the two days they were closed, and the day we went to pick it up) for towing the car from Sheetz, on 235 to Willie's. Yet Kevin's Towing only charged me about $30 to tow my truck down from St Leaonard to Cheseldine.

Kevin's a good person.:yay:

I keep one of his business cards in my wallet. With the junk I used to drive, I was a frequent flyer for a while.:lmao:

I would recommend him to anyone who needs a tow.

In that case, lolz!

I think the whole thing is indicative of small minded business management by Hertz/Hewitt. Letting a run of the mill bowling alley walk all over its customers will do well in generating new clients. As I’ve stated already, my company just made it clear that we will no longer do business with hertz due to the fact that it’s an inconvenience to the customer that they can’t be allotted three hours to come back and pick up a POV. I’ll be sure to tell the folks at NAVAIR as well.

Say what you will, but it’s also an indicator of a small town mentality to even suggest that this is going on. Furthermore, it’s only the tip of the iceberg in terms of shady business practices within this county. This is nothing….

I think the whole thing is indicative of small minded business management by Hertz/Hewitt. Letting a run of the mill bowling alley walk all over its customers will do well in generating new clients. As I’ve stated already, my company just made it clear that we will no longer so business with hertz due to the fact that it’s an inconvenience to the customer that they can’t be allotted three hours to come back and pick up a POV. I’ll be sure to with the folks at NAVAIR know as well.

Say what you will, but it’s also an indicator of a small town mentality to even suggest that this is going on. Furthermore, it’s only the tip of the iceberg in terms of shady business practices within this county. This is nothing….

Rut roh...

Rut roh...

Don't take it personal. My home town is 2,600 people!

P/S: Another example.... Ask HBI (Home Builders Inc) customers how they are treated and ripped off when buying a home...

You should have asked at hertz where to park they could have told you like they do all there other customers who ask. All it does take is opening your freakin mouth and saying where can I park as I need to leave my POV here. But as we all can see you must be stupid and didn't ask at all. You just assumed it was fine to leave your car there with no problems.

Say what you will, but it’s also an indicator of a small town mentality to even suggest that this is going on. Furthermore, it’s only the tip of the iceberg in terms of shady business practices within this county. This is nothing….Yeah because no one ever tries to scam you in the city, more lolz.

You should have asked at hertz where to park they could have told you like they do all there other customers who ask. All it does take is opening your freakin mouth and saying where can I park as I need to leave my POV here. But as we all can see you must be stupid and didn't ask at all. You just assumed it was fine to leave your car there with no problems.You sure are acting pretty snotty to someone who just made a comment to help warn other people who might inadvertently do the same thing.

I'm glad that someone warned me so that I don't mistakenly get my car towed away and charged for an unnecessary tow bill. :nomoney:

Good job, rocketman. :yay:

Neither one of the businesses in question will be seeing any more of my $, so it's a moot point for me. :killingme U-Haul corporate sucks, and Hewitt's attitude is basically, :shrug:

While the folks here are correct in pointing out that there are warning signs inside Hewitt's, that sort of crap shouldn't be necessary. If the bowling alley is going to be nazis about towing cars, there should be large signs outside. And if it's true that only one towing company will handle their business, that should tell you something about the arrangement.

Easy payback:

1. Make a paper mache bowling ball
2. Fill it with excrement
3. Go to the bowling alley, pay, get your shoes, go to your lane
4. Roll your poop ball followed by three or four regular bowling balls
5. Leave quickly

You should have asked at hertz where to park they could have told you like they do all there other customers who ask. All it does take is opening your freakin mouth and saying where can I park as I need to leave my POV here. But as we all can see you must be stupid and didn't ask at all. You just assumed it was fine to leave your car there with no problems.

Personal insults = dumber on your part. Not to mention that your post is full of grammatical errors.. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

By the way Einstein, did you not hear me say three (3) hours? Where else in Saint Mary’s does that happen to a customer? I would put you in the lower half and maybe the 5 percentile of coherent listeners/ reading comprehension.

Easy payback:

1. Make a paper mache bowling ball
2. Fill it with excrement
3. Go to the bowling alley, pay, get your shoes, go to your lane
4. Roll your poop ball followed by three or four regular bowling balls
5. Leave quickly

I love you! You just never know what might happen. I am a retired AO so anything is possible given my track record! Say goodnight Mr. Long… :lmao:

I have heard of so called "predatory towing" taking place in DC and Northern Virginia. The fact they insisted on being paid cash smells funky.

I love you!
You have an asexual name, so I don't know what gender you are. I'm a male, so if you are one also please don't ever say that to me again.

On the other hand if you are a female, why don't we get together and we'll see if we can't get that ball filled together. :yay:

You sure are acting pretty snotty to someone who just made a comment to help warn other people who might inadvertently do the same thing.

I'm glad that someone warned me so that I don't mistakenly get my car towed away and charged for an unnecessary tow bill. :nomoney:

Good job, rocketman. :yay:

I love you too, and I’m really easy going. I only react when prompted by some hijacker on a message board. There is one in every thread. Anyway, thanks for having my back and I will return the favor. Like I said~ it’s not about the money. It was 40% getting it off my chest and 60% to warn others. Wait, does that add up jp2854? I needed to check my road scholar/adviser.

You have an asexual name, so I don't know what gender you are. I'm a male, so if you are one also please don't ever say that to me again.

On the other hand if you are a female, why don't we get together and we'll see if we can't get that ball filled together. :yay:

:killingme I hear you and I meant it in a man kind of way... Funniest post I’ve ever read! I’m a dude and the biggest lesbian you’ll find!

:killingme I hear you and I meant it in a man kind of way... Funniest post I’ve ever read! I’m a dude and the biggest lesbian you’ll find!
Dude! It's called metrosexual. Men can't be lesbians!

Dude! It's called metrosexual. Men can't be lesbians! :lmao: Oh' yes they can, because I am one! I love women!!!!


Heterosexual is played out, I need a new label. Shut up jp2854 - just in case... :buttkick:

:lmao: Oh' yes they can, because I am one! I love women!!!!


Heterosexual is played out, I need a new label. Shut up jp2854 - just in case... :buttkick:
:smack: I gave you a new label. It's called METROSEXUAL!

Yeah because no one ever tries to scam you in the city, more lolz.

ok you got me there.

What's a POV? Point of View won't work, is it something like a POS?

What's a POV? Point of View won't work, is it something like a POS?Personally Owned Vehicle

On the 19th of August (Sunday) I picked up a Hertz rental at 4pm and left my POV. I returned at 7pm and my POV had been towed away. I had to pay $190.00 in cash to get my truck back.

So don’t leave your vehicle in the parking lot even for three hours or David Long will have it towed away!

Kerry Grant
grantk@tecsysint.com

i haven't been to that bowling ally in about 3 years. The last time we took the kids on a day school was out. The guy that was there was rude and acted as if we were bothering him to have the kids there. He was rude enough that we never went back.

i haven't been to that bowling ally in about 3 years. The last time we took the kids on a day school was out. The guy that was there was rude and acted as if we were bothering him to have the kids there. He was rude enough that we never went back.

Obvious Mr. Long is making it off old money or operating in the red. I’m sure he gets a kickback for every car that is towed from his parking lot. I noticed today he paved it too. Maybe I contributed to his newly painted lines. Either he’s a genius or very stupid and only time will tell, but my money is on the latter one.

I vote to bury his ace right under the parking lot so he can watch it after he moves on, or better yet I could urinate on his parking lot. How does that taste Mr. Long?

I vote to bury his ace right under the parking lot so he can watch it after he moves on, or better yet I could urinate on his parking lot. How does that taste Mr. Long?
K_Jo, please explain this post to me...:eyebrow:

K_Jo, please explain this post to me...:eyebrow:

:tap:

K_Jo, please explain this post to me...:eyebrow:


Wow, you must be an engineer... My random sadistic gesture and sarcasm clearly went over your head... No pun intended. Don’t stay up all night trying to figure that one out.

Laymen terms ~ bury his ass under his precious parking lot when he passes!

K_Jo, please explain this post to me...:eyebrow:
I think the rocketman is trying to tell you he's a giant a-hole. :huggy:

I think the rocketman is trying to tell you he's a giant a-hole. :huggy:
Your explanation makes sense... TY...:huggy:

Your explanation makes sense... TY...:huggy:
You must be an engineer.

You must be an engineer.
I think I can, I think I can... Toot! Toot!

I heard somebody needed some splain'in done.
What did I done did miss?

I think I can, I think I can... Toot! Toot!

My money is on "that you can't" I'm pretty confident!

My money is on "that you can't" I'm pretty confident!
Smart and funny. You're quite a catch. :yay:

Willie's Towing was the name of the company. I was in the furthest parking spot from the bowling alley in front of Hertz. Technically it was the last spot of the bowling alley that no one would park to walk to the bowling alley. The irony is that the bowling alley is always dead and I’ve never seen more than six cars parking there. It just seems shady, and to pay in cash just sends a red flag. Not a VISA or check accepted although I can understand no checks, but it just seems odd to pay in cash.
$190.00 for that tow is outrageous! I wonder how much of a kick back the bowling owner is getting for that. I say lets organize picketers and picket the bowling alley until he stops this unfair practice. That tow should be no more than $100.00.

Smart and funny. You're quite a catch. :yay:
Hey, I don’t choke harmless animals, but I will concede that I’m a great catch!

Hey, I don’t choke harmless animals, but I will concede that I’m a great catch!
I'm going to be up all night figuring this one out.

$190.00 for that tow is outrageous! I wonder how much of a kick back the bowling owner is getting for that. I say lets organize picketers and picket the bowling alley until he stops this unfair practice. That tow should be no more than $100.00.

We can bring the two sympathetic engineers Ozzie (kjo) and Harriet (kwillia) with us!

I'm going to be up all night figuring this one out.
You must be an engineer.

:yawn:

You must be an engineer.
SIKE!

:rolleyes:

I'm going to be up all night figuring this one out.

Good then...Can you figure out a little math problem I have. I’ve been trying to knock out this little math problem on elliptic curve discrete logarithm.

:rolleyes:
I knew better than to post that cause you would bury my ace and then piss on a harmless animal so that I'd have to watch it move on as it chokes.

Obvious Mr. Long is making it off old money or operating in the red. I’m sure he gets a kickback for every car that is towed from his parking lot. I noticed today he paved it too. Maybe I contributed to his newly painted lines. Either he’s a genius or very stupid and only time will tell, but my money is on the latter one.

I vote to bury his ace right under the parking lot so he can watch it after he moves on, or better yet I could urinate on his parking lot. How does that taste Mr. Long?
Here's what we do. We go and take up all of his parking spots, then as soon as willie arrives on the lot, we get in our cars and drive away. sooner or later, willie will get tired of arriving at the bowling alley and leaving empty handed. Long won't be able to do anything until he issues us notices not to treaspass, and the police won't do anything until that is done. We win, Willie and Long looses. Well...flawed plan, because although we are here, I am sure we all have lives and probably don't want to hang out in the bowling alley parking lot. But in a perfect world, vengence would be ours! And thanks to the guy who started this thread. I hate people like Long, who prey on the unknowing. The lot is not that well posted that everyone will know.

Oh..and to the idiot who gave the guy crap and called him stupid for posting this...get a life. I am sure because of your mental capabilities, the only place you can hang out is the bowling alley, but that is no reason to attack a guy doing a public service.

I knew better than to post that cause you would bury my ace and then piss on a harmless animal so that I'd have to watch it move on as it chokes.
Like I have time for that nonsense when I'm losing my mind over here trying to knock out this little math problem on elliptic curve discrete logarithm.

You must be an engineer.

Not really... An engineer wouldn’t have 20k plus post on a local message board. Better things to do than playing commander of the circle jerk working group.

white castles
Mmmmmm...White Castle :yum:

Now I'm hungry.

Not really... An engineer wouldn’t have 20k plus post on a local message board. Better things to do than playing commander of the circle jerk working group.
Jesus loves you. :huggy:

Like I have time for that nonsense when I'm losing my mind over here trying to knock out this little math problem on elliptic curve discrete logarithm.
My cat is a genius and I'm sure I can get her to help you when she wakes up from her nap :smile:

Jesus loves you.
This, I know.

My cat is a genius and I'm sure I can get her to help you when she wakes up from her nap :smile:
My cats only wake up to eat and crap. :ohwell:

Here's what we do. We go and take up all of his parking spots, then as soon as willie arrives on the lot, we get in our cars and drive away. sooner or later, willie will get tired of arriving at the bowling alley and leaving empty handed. Long won't be able to do anything until he issues us notices not to treaspass, and the police won't do anything until that is done. We win, Willie and Long looses. Well...flawed plan, because although we are here, I am sure we all have lives and probably don't want to hang out in the bowling alley parking lot. But in a perfect world, vengence would be ours! And thanks to the guy who started this thread. I hate people like Long, who prey on the unknowing. The lot is not that well posted that everyone will know.

Oh..and to the idiot who gave the guy crap and called him stupid for posting this...get a life. I am sure because of your mental capabilities, the only place you can hang out is the bowling alley, but that is no reason to attack a guy doing a public service.


Tom, thanks for bringing the topic back on point. If I can save one person the $190 then it was worth the post.

fwiw, I emailed the judge as a friend to let him know what’s going on in his county. I’m not asking for my money back, but rather I just wanted to get the word out there. I even contemplated posting for a week because I knew I had no legal rights.

I do take responsibility, but I can still be pissed! I’ve been called whiner which I find hilarious. It becomes more personal when anyone has to dish out $190

My cats only wake up to eat and crap. :ohwell:

That's what my "guard dogs" do :ohwell:

Tom, thanks for bringing the topic back on point. If I can save one person the $190 then it was worth the post.

fwiw, I emailed the judge as a friend to let him know what’s going on in his county. I’m not asking for my money back, but rather I just wanted to get the word out there. I even contemplated posting for a week because I knew I had no legal rights.

I do take responsibility, but I can still be pissed! I’ve been called whiner which I find hilarious. It becomes more personal when anyone has to dish out $190
It's one thing when a person commits an overt act of wanton and willful disregard for other peoples property. However, when a person makes an innocent mistake, and is doing so in the course of conducting buisness, then I think the predatory nature of this bowling alley needs to be brought to the forefront. Your not the only person to have had this happen to them. No, it has never happened to me, but has to intelligent people I work with. This isn't about protecting a parking lot, this is about "I got you!" That is what this bowling alley owner is doing. I just wish there were a legal way we could get him back!

I can't believe I was out and missed all this

It's one thing when a person commits an overt act of wanton and willful disregard for other peoples property. However, when a person makes an innocent mistake, and is doing so in the course of conducting buisness, then I think the predatory nature of this bowling alley needs to be brought to the forefront. Your not the only person to have had this happen to them. No, it has never happened to me, but has to intelligent people I work with. This isn't about protecting a parking lot, this is about "I got you!" That is what this bowling alley owner is doing. I just wish there were a legal way we could get him back!

I'll let you know what the Judge says.

I remember pulling up to Hertz and I really didn’t see any signs. I do believe they are posted southward on the opposite side of the polls where I parked. I parked as far north on the parking lot as possible and closest to 235. If you drive by it, it’s the one spot at the very end right next to where Hertz parks their rentals. I don’t believe there are any signs over there.

However, after my wife blasted me about the sign on the door I felt pretty stupid, but I really did check in at 3:59 in a hurry. I was just rushing for my trip because I had numerous things to do to catch a 06:00 flight out of DCA. It’s just disheartening in a way sometimes to deal with the antics here in what I think is a beautiful place to live.

I can't believe I was out and missed all this
Yeah, I'm sure you're just really sorry that you had to be out eating and drinking instead of sitting on front of the computer reading this crap. :rolleyes:

The square root of 7 is 9
:doh:

I can't believe I was out and missed all this


Update: Ozzie (kjo) and Harriet (kwillia) are fighting over the crack pipe and trying to reason out elliptic curve discrete logarithm (ECDLP) problems. You didn’t miss much. Oh’ yea, Jesus Loves you and we all knew that already, but Grandma bless her heart is eating cake and is a little slow these days. We do try to be patient with her, but it’s starting to get on everyone’s nerves when we have to yell all the time.

Yeah, I'm sure you're just really sorry that you had to be out eating and drinking instead of sitting on front of the computer reading this crap. :rolleyes:


Hey, one grandma’s crap is another mans fertilizer!

I'm confused. How did you pick up a rental at 3:59, catch a 6:00 flight in DC, but arrived back only 3 hours later to get your own car?

I'm confused. How did you pick up a rental at 3:59, catch a 6:00 flight in DC, but arrived back only 3 hours later to get your own car?

I picked the car up at 3:59pm on Sunday. Left for the airport at 3 am Monday to catch a flight at 6am.

What happened is that I got back to MD from New York on Saturday and I was running around getting things done before a trip to San Diego. Just in a hurry type thing...

MARYLAND CODE
:nerd:

[QUOTE=NikkoBlues]MARYLAND CODE

Thanks for posting!

I'm not sure if any of these requirements are being met by Mr. Long.

(1) Are at least 24 inches high and 30 inches wide;

(2) Are clearly visible to the driver of a motor vehicle entering or being parked in the parking lot;

(3) State the location to which the vehicle will be towed or removed;

(4) State the hours during which the vehicle may be reclaimed;

(5) State the maximum amount that the owner of the vehicle may be charged for the towing or removal of the vehicle; and

(6) Provide the telephone number of a person who can be contacted to arrange for the reclaiming of the vehicle by its owner or the owner's agent.

(b) Location.- The signs described in subsection (a) of this section shall be placed to provide at least 1 sign for every 7,500 square feet of parking space in the parking lot.

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(2) Shall be liable to the vehicle owner for triple the amount paid by the owner or the owner's agent to retake possession of the vehicle.

[1989, ch. 462.]
There are a awful lot of rules to comply with. That could get expensive for the towing company.

[QUOTE=NikkoBlues]MARYLAND CODE

Thanks for posting!

I'm not sure if any of these requirements are being met by Mr. Long.

(1) Are at least 24 inches high and 30 inches wide;

(2) Are clearly visible to the driver of a motor vehicle entering or being parked in the parking lot;

(3) State the location to which the vehicle will be towed or removed;

(4) State the hours during which the vehicle may be reclaimed;

(5) State the maximum amount that the owner of the vehicle may be charged for the towing or removal of the vehicle; and

(6) Provide the telephone number of a person who can be contacted to arrange for the reclaiming of the vehicle by its owner or the owner's agent.

(b) Location.- The signs described in subsection (a) of this section shall be placed to provide at least 1 sign for every 7,500 square feet of parking space in the parking lot.
Go get pictures if they are wrong, then take him to small claims court, or talk to an attorney in Leonardtown, and get them to file a class action suit. But, I would take the pictures quickly, you know how word around here travels.

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Go get pictures if they are wrong, then take him to small claims court, or talk to an attorney in Leonardtown, and get them to file a class action suit. But, I would take the pictures quickly, you know how word around here travels.

I just emailed the judge the regs for the signs. My wife said the truck was towed to Callaway so the 10 miles might be within regs. I'm not sure how far that is from the bowling alley.

I think his shop is across the street from the WaWa on Great Mills Road. So it would be there. I would mapquest the intersection of 235 and chancelors and 5 and great mills road. It can't be more than 5 miles

Did you know Hertz has started charging for mileage now? SATO won't let us use them anymore.

Did you know Hertz has started charging for mileage now? SATO won't let us use them anymore.

The problem has been and continues is that Enterprise doesn't offer one way rental to and from BWI or DCA. We have been using Hertz because they provide a one way service. In addition, using the corporate code Enterprise beats Hertz price every time. So all it would take for Enterprise to run Hertz out of here is to provide a one way rental to or from the airport. Again, my manager is pissed over the Hertz parking debacle to the point he doesn’t want to use them anymore.

The very first thing I noticed when I picked up a U-Haul there years ago was the signs in the parking lot. There isn't enough parking lot for the bowling alley alone and when you add Hertz, Napa, and Dick Heads Electronic Repair into the mix this sort of thing happens.

There was a base wide email about 5 years ago warning people about this too.

Jesus loves you. :huggy:
Which onr?? The Baby Jesus.. the middle aged Jesus, or the resurrected Jesus..

The problem has been and continues is that Enterprise doesn't offer one way rental to and from BWI or DCA. We have been using Hertz because they provide a one way service. In addition, using the corporate code Enterprise beats Hertz price every time. So all it would take for Enterprise to run Hertz out of here is to provide a one way rental to or from the airport. Again, my manager is pissed over the Hertz parking debacle to the point he doesn’t want to use them anymore.
Avis offers one way to or from the airport without mileage.. Hertz HAS to be losing a lot of business because of the mileage..

Esperanza bowling center has been the lone bowling alley (not including Pax River and Dunkirk) for a good many years now. Dave Long knows it and he knows what customers he has, knows it. I stopped going there the first time they told me I had to give them one of my shoes before I could rent a pair of theirs because people were stealing them! That was 12-13 years ago.

Long knows he has the only public alley in this area, so he can do whatever he wants. While growing up in the Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY area, all bowling centers opened by 8:00AM on the weekends. Long might open by noon on Saturdays. Unless you are in a league during the week, you won't see them opening until 6:00PM. And now he has cars towed which may be parked in front of his place. What, he has someone watching "his" parking lot 24/7? Too bad the St. Mary's County Department of Economic and Community Development won't entice a company/group (such as AMF) to come here and build a modern, state-of-the-art bowling and entertainment complex (take a look at Jillian's in Arundel Mall next time you're there).

Esperanza bowling center has been the lone bowling alley (not including Pax River and Dunkirk) for a good many years now. Dave Long knows it and he knows what customers he has, knows it. I stopped going there the first time they told me I had to give them one of my shoes before I could rent a pair of theirs because people were stealing them! That was 12-13 years ago.

Long knows he has the only public alley in this area, so he can do whatever he wants. While growing up in the Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY area, all bowling centers opened by 8:00AM on the weekends. Long might open by noon on Saturdays. Unless you are in a league during the week, you won't see them opening until 6:00PM. And now he has cars towed which may be parked in front of his place. What, he has someone watching "his" parking lot 24/7? Too bad the St. Mary's County Department of Economic and Community Development won't entice a company/group (such as AMF) to come here and build a modern, state-of-the-art bowling and entertainment complex (take a look at Jillian's in Arundel Mall next time you're there).

Good points Dave... Last night around 10pm (Sunday) I drove by the Bowling Alley and it was dead! Actually it was closed.

Anyway, he is clearly not up to code in terms of signs and language on them. (If in fact he is supposed to have signs made IAW state law as the poster above stated)

Here's what we do. We go and take up all of his parking spots, then as soon as willie arrives on the lot, we get in our cars and drive away. sooner or later, willie will get tired of arriving at the bowling alley and leaving empty handed. Long won't be able to do anything until he issues us notices not to treaspass, and the police won't do anything until that is done. We win, Willie and Long looses. Well...flawed plan, because although we are here, I am sure we all have lives and probably don't want to hang out in the bowling alley parking lot. But in a perfect world, vengeance would be ours! And thanks to the guy who started this thread. I hate people like Long, who prey on the unknowing. The lot is not that well posted that everyone will know.

Oh..and to the idiot who gave the guy crap and called him stupid for posting this...get a life. I am sure because of your mental capabilities, the only place you can hang out is the bowling alley, but that is no reason to attack a guy doing a public service.


4 am 4 5gal cans of gas ....... to soak into his nice new parking lot :whistle:

ought to help break it up nicely, or maybe diesel cause its not so flammable

I just had a friend of mine call because she wanted to have her daughters birthday party there. They told her she had to come in, in order to place a reservation. They also told her they couldn't take her credit card either or check. She would have to pay in cash. She said they were very nasty and she told them they were not user friendly. She ended up going to Lord Calver Bowl in Huntingtown instead. I guess they don't care about bringing in business.

Avis offers one way to or from the airport without mileage.. Hertz HAS to be losing a lot of business because of the mileage..


Become a member of Avis Preferred Member Service. They have 1-way rentals and decent rates.

If you rent from hertz you have to park on the other side of the building by the bank. I think it's shady as well, but what can you do.

That place is such a dump, its crap like this place that adds to the atmosphere in this part of the state. Run down, close minded, entrenched and not gonna change for anything. Be kinda nice if the place were torn down and started fresh....

I talked to enterprize and the management said to get a quote from Hertz and they will match it or do better. I'm going to PA for a week and they did just that. Enterprise beat them and I got an extra day with the car. Screw Hertz/Hewitt! Yea maybe it isn't their fault but it's not my fault that they can't control Dave Long's sorry ass!

I talked to enterprize and the management said to get a quote from Hertz and they will match it or do better. I'm going to PA for a week and they did just that. Enterprise beat them and I got an extra day with the car. Screw Hertz/Hewitt! Yea maybe it isn't their fault but it's not my fault that they can't control Dave Long's sorry ass!To be brutally honest, I've rented from Enterprise, Avis and Hertz and of the three Hertz has the least cooperative employees and the worst fleet and prices. But for some reason corporate policy dictates we rent from Hertz.

To be brutally honest, I've rented from Enterprise, Avis and Hertz and of the three Hertz has the least cooperative employees and the worst fleet and prices. But for some reason corporate policy dictates we rent from Hertz.
Which Corporate??

I just had a friend of mine call because she wanted to have her daughters birthday party there. They told her she had to come in, in order to place a reservation. They also told her they couldn't take her credit card either or check. She would have to pay in cash. She said they were very nasty and she told them they were not user friendly. She ended up going to Lord Calver Bowl in Huntingtown instead. I guess they don't care about bringing in business.Is your friend a known dead beat?

Esperanza bowling center has been the lone bowling alley (not including Pax River and Dunkirk) for a good many years now. Dave Long knows it and he knows what customers he has, knows it. I stopped going there the first time they told me I had to give them one of my shoes before I could rent a pair of theirs because people were stealing them! That was 12-13 years ago.

Long knows he has the only public alley in this area, so he can do whatever he wants. While growing up in the Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY area, all bowling centers opened by 8:00AM on the weekends. Long might open by noon on Saturdays. Unless you are in a league during the week, you won't see them opening until 6:00PM. And now he has cars towed which may be parked in front of his place. What, he has someone watching "his" parking lot 24/7? Too bad the St. Mary's County Department of Economic and Community Development won't entice a company/group (such as AMF) to come here and build a modern, state-of-the-art bowling and entertainment complex (take a look at Jillian's in Arundel Mall next time you're there).


Yep been there one time and one time only to bowl. They said they had to hold on to one of my shoes as collateral. I scoffed at the lady and told her my one shoe cost more than 3 pairs of your hideous bowling shoes. Never went back and don't care to. Oh and its dave and busters in arundel. Jillian's is at waterside in norfolk, va.

Yep been there one time and one time only to bowl. They said they had to hold on to one of my shoes as collateral. I scoffed at the lady and told her my one shoe cost more than 3 pairs of your hideous bowling shoes. Never went back and don't care to. Oh and its dave and busters in arundel. Jillian's is at waterside in norfolk, va.

Freak 'em out and hand them a shoe from another bowling alley.

Freak 'em out and hand them a shoe from another bowling alley.


haha OMG..yeah one that reeks of athlete's foot. That should scare em! :yay:

First, let me tell you if you do a case search, Mr. Long has been taken to court for towing someone's car and Mr. Long had to pay the man back!! Take him to court!!! He doesn't have a lawyer in the family anymore - he's been disbarred!!!

Second, my boss had his car towed and called the bowling alley about it and all he heard from them is how you people from NAVAIR moved here and caused the roads to be widened and part of their parking lot is 235 now! You get what you deserve (note my boss happens to work at NAVAIR but is a St. Mary's County native)(he'll never use Esperanza Lanes again).

Mr. Long may be getting a kick back from Willie's towing, but Mr. Hewitt isn't. He has talked to the Longs (husband and wife) over and over again and it is no use. He has no recourse. Please note that all the overflow from the evening bowling leagues park in Mr. Hewitt's lot. Mr. Hewitt does not tow them to get even with Mr. Long because it doesn't hurt Mr. Long it hurts others.

Esperanza is hardly ever open, their leagues sizes are getting smaller, he did away with the youth league on Saturday morning (he said it was too hard to get up on Saturday morning for the kids because he's open late on Friday night). They don't bring in enough money, so he's closed on Sat a.m. The kids that could went to the base, and the others went to Calvert.

If any of you have a solution, we'd all be willing to hear it.

First, let me tell you if you do a case search, Mr. Long has been taken to court for towing someone's car and Mr. Long had to pay the man back!! Take him to court!!! He doesn't have a lawyer in the family anymore - he's been disbarred!!!

Second, my boss had his car towed and called the bowling alley about it and all he heard from them is how you people from NAVAIR moved here and caused the roads to be widened and part of their parking lot is 235 now! You get what you deserve (note my boss happens to work at NAVAIR but is a St. Mary's County native)(he'll never use Esperanza Lanes again).

Mr. Long may be getting a kick back from Willie's towing, but Mr. Hewitt isn't. He has talked to the Longs (husband and wife) over and over again and it is no use. He has no recourse. Please note that all the overflow from the evening bowling leagues park in Mr. Hewitt's lot. Mr. Hewitt does not tow them to get even with Mr. Long because it doesn't hurt Mr. Long it hurts others.

Esperanza is hardly ever open, their leagues sizes are getting smaller, he did away with the youth league on Saturday morning (he said it was too hard to get up on Saturday morning for the kids because he's open late on Friday night). They don't bring in enough money, so he's closed on Sat a.m. The kids that could went to the base, and the others went to Calvert.

If any of you have a solution, we'd all be willing to hear it.

From the case search files. You are correct, Mr. Long did lose a case.

Case Information
Court System: DISTRICT COURT FOR SAINT MARY'S COUNTY - CIVIL SYSTEM
Case Number: 040300016992004Claim Type:TORT
District/Location Codes: 04 / 03Filing Date:10/25/2004Case Status:ACTIVE

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Complaint, Judgment, and Related Persons Information

(Each Complaint, Hearing, Judgment is listed separately, along with each Related Person)

Complaint Information
Complaint No: 001(RAGSDALE, THOMAS H) Vs:(LONG, DAVID )
Type: REGULAR CLAIM
Complaint Status: JUDGMENT IN FAVOR OF PLAINTIFF ENTERED
Status Date: 12/13/2004 Filing Date:10/25/2004 Amount$175.00 Last Activity Date:12/29/2004

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Judgment Information
Judgment Type: TRIAL JUDGMENT ENTEREDJudgment Date:12/13/2004
Judgment Amount: $60.00Judgment Interest:$0.00Costs:$50.00Other Amounts:$0.00
Attorney Fees: $0.00Post Interest Legal Rate:X Jointly and Severally:In Favor of Defendant:
Possession Of Property Claimed valued At: $0.00Is Awarded To The:Together With Damages Of:$0.00
Value Of Property Sued For: $0.00Plus Damages Of:$0.00Is Awarded To The:Dismissed With Prejudice:
Replevin/Detinue Amount: $0.00
Recorded Lien Date: Judgment renewed Date:
Renewed Lien Date: Satisfaction Date:

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Related Person Information
Name: LONG, DAVID
Connection to Complaint: DEFENDANT
Address: DBA ESPERANZA BOWLINGS LANES
Address: P.O. BOX 1507
City: CALIFORNIAState:MDZip Code:20619

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Name: RAGSDALE, THOMAS H
Connection to Complaint: PLAINTIFF
Address: 706 BALDWIN AVE
City: NORFOLKState:VAZip Code:23517

I said that he lost. I said Mr. Long had to pay the man (Mr. Ragsdale) back.

I would get ahold of the plantiff if possible and see what information he presented to the judge.

Here ya go! Give em a call
www.anywho.com
Ragsdale, Thomas H MD
Norfolk, VA 23504
757-627-6562

I said that he lost. I said Mr. Long had to pay the man (Mr. Ragsdale) back.
Why yes you did. And I agreed with you. Good job :yay:

Second, my boss had his car towed and called the bowling alley about it and all he heard from them is how you people from NAVAIR moved here and caused the roads to be widened and part of their parking lot is 235 now! You get what you deserve (note my boss happens to work at NAVAIR but is a St. Mary's County native)(he'll never use Esperanza Lanes again).



That reminds me of what my Aunt and Uncle used to tell me about Norfolk back in the day. You know the old signs that said "Dogs and Sailors Keep Off The Grass". Like the city would be there without the Navy.

Esperanza bowling center has been the lone bowling alley (not including Pax River and Dunkirk) for a good many years now. Dave Long knows it and he knows what customers he has, knows it. I stopped going there the first time they told me I had to give them one of my shoes before I could rent a pair of theirs because people were stealing them! That was 12-13 years ago.

Long knows he has the only public alley in this area, so he can do whatever he wants. While growing up in the Greater Cincinnati/Northern KY area, all bowling centers opened by 8:00AM on the weekends. Long might open by noon on Saturdays. Unless you are in a league during the week, you won't see them opening until 6:00PM. And now he has cars towed which may be parked in front of his place. What, he has someone watching "his" parking lot 24/7? Too bad the St. Mary's County Department of Economic and Community Development won't entice a company/group (such as AMF) to come here and build a modern, state-of-the-art bowling and entertainment complex (take a look at Jillian's in Arundel Mall next time you're there).

Actually it was in the county charter that no other bowling alleys were allowed in St marys County........pays to be a good ole boy eh?