...comes from; Smokers.

Time to stand and be counted, smokers. Would you prefer that you did not smoke, but make one excuse after another to not quit? I'm trying to boil this all down, cut through all the issues, all the pro's and con's, the laws, the cost, the pesonal rights, and get down to bedrock, yes or no on smoking if you could snap your fingers. That means no urge, no missing of the habit, no more of the habitual ritual, nothing, just straightforward yes or no;

My point, my theory, is that this is not an issue people are going to march on, not going to man the barricades. Secretly or not, most smokers are glad they are slowly being forced to quit.

...comes from; Smokers.

Time to stand and be counted, smokers. Would you prefer that you did not smoke, but make one excuse after another to not quit? I'm trying to boil this all down, cut through all the issues, all the pro's and con's, the laws, the cost, the pesonal rights, and get down to bedrock, yes or no on smoking if you could snap your fingers. That means no urge, no missing of the habit, no more of the habitual ritual, nothing, just straightforward yes or no;

My point, my theory, is that this is not an issue people are going to march on, not going to man the barricades. Secretly or not, most smokers are glad they are slowly being forced to quit.

I don't know about you guys but I enjoyed smoking. I quit because I don't want my kids inhaling that stuff. Have no regrets, I can still light one with friends on certain occasions but never really crave for it except for the two first weeks of quitting.

I don't know about you guys but I enjoyed smoking. I quit because I don't want my kids inhaling that stuff. Have no regrets, I can still light one with friends on certain occasions but never really crave for it except for the two first weeks of quitting.

...because I stopped enjoying it. I remember the pleasures readily but the trade off between how it made me feel was no longer worth it.

I'm all for bars and restaurants allowing smoking as they see fit. I get totally bent when they won't allow cigars.

Point is that smokers themselves, besides you and I and one other I know for sure, want to quit but keep finding reasons not to.

My poll is scientific PROOF of my theory. :lmao:

...comes from; Smokers.



You know - I have noticed that the most aggresively vocal anti-smoking fascists are ex-smokers.

I don't want to quit, I enjoy the relaxing effect it has upon me and those around me appreciate the fact that I haven't quit. I tried to quit before for reasons not my own and ended up being asked to start again. :biggrin:

You know - I have noticed that the most aggresively vocal anti-smoking fascists are ex-smokers.

I went through that for the first few years after I quit. I believe it is because seeing or smelling smokers reminds us of our own addiction to nicotine and the weakness that made it difficult to stop. It also reminds us of the ugliness like stained fingers and teeth and the smell.

Now I can just ignore smoking. If I don't want to smell it, I don't go to places that allow it. Easy.

Secretly or not, most smokers are glad they are slowly being forced to quit.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it - we secretly support having our rights taken away because it's for our own good.

:rolleyes:

You know - I have noticed that the most aggresively vocal anti-smoking fascists are ex-smokers.

My cousin was a hard core smoker for years. Had a kid, quit, and now she acts like she never was one and gets all angry at smokers. I don't get it.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it - we secretly support having our rights taken away because it's for our own good.

:rolleyes:


:lmao: It is pretty crazy to think people are trying to MAKE you not smoke. Nobody seems to care that obesity kills way more people. :whistle:

Yeah, I'm sure that's it - we secretly support having our rights taken away because it's for our own good.

:rolleyes:


...take it up with your fellow filter breathers. Polls don't lie. Ever.

:lmao:

You know - I have noticed that the most aggresively vocal anti-smoking fascists are ex-smokers.

...when you get the faith... :lmao:

I wish I had never started, but I'm not going to quit. I enjoy it and I'm addicted (hardcore)

O'Malley pisses me off. I hate him.

I voted no because I still enjoy it; however, with all the negativity associated with it nowadays I'm being forced to only partake within the confines of my home, auto and in outside spaces not occupied by others. I repect the wishes of others and the laws, for the most part, so there are times when quitting would be a choice. My landlord told me no smoking in here when I moved in and I tried to abide to his wishes, but in actual fact I've been smoking in here for 8 years now and he is very much aware of it. I guess he is willing to put up with me having 1 fault (in his eyes) while otherwise I'm the best renter he could possibly have. Should I quit, probably, will I, nope, unless of course I have to spend the rest of my life in a hospital where I can't purchase them.

...take it up with your fellow filter breathers. Polls don't lie. Ever.

:lmao:
They don't, maybe if you made it a public poll so the numbers couldn't be salted in one way or another by knowing who cast the votes.

Yeah, I'm sure that's it - we secretly support having our rights taken away because it's for our own good.

:rolleyes:Vrai, most all your posts refer to "your" rights. What about "my" right not to have to smell/breathe it? It isn't banned. You have plenty of places to smoke.

Ok, this post belonged in the other thread but I'm as sick of hearing about her rights as she is hearing about my rights.

Smokers are the minority and they're losing. :yahoo:

They don't, maybe if you made it a public poll so the numbers couldn't be salted in one way or another by knowing who cast the votes.

...a total cop out. Then the argument would be people shaded their vote BECAUSE it was public.

Fact is, we vote in private in this country because that is the ONLY way the voter is alone with their conscience.

Anecdotally, we all know that most smokers complain about smoking because they intuitively and by experience know that smoking is bad for their health. There are very few of you who say "I like smoking and don't wanna stop".

If anything, I am surprised that there aren't more saying they want to quit but I am willing to accept the votes as they are. One thing for sure, there ain't a whole lot of people saying 'I gotta start smoking some day..."


:lmao:

Vrai, most all your posts refer to "your" rights. What about "my" right not to have to smell/breathe it? It isn't banned. You have plenty of places to smoke.

Ok, this post belonged in the other thread but I'm as sick of hearing about her rights as she is hearing about my rights.

Smokers are the minority and they're losing. :yahoo:

...be banned in bars, for crying out loud.

What next? No swimming in pools???

...be banned in bars, for crying out loud.

What next? No swimming in pools???your opinion.

Again, why can't I go have a drink without breathing it and coming home smelling like a chimney?

your opinion.

Again, why can't I go have a drink without breathing it and coming home smelling like a chimney?

Why can't smokers have their own bar? If it's owned by a smoker and publicizes that it caters to smokers, that should be allowed, and people offended/bothered by smoke will steer clear.

O'Malley (####faced turd) won't even let the private clubs allow smoking.

Why can't smokers have their own bar? If it's owned by a smoker and publicizes that it caters to smokers, that should be allowed, and people offended/bothered by smoke will steer clear.

O'Malley (####faced turd) won't even let the private clubs allow smoking.

thats becasue it would be unfair to the bar accross the street, AND all the bars would turn into clubs to allow smoking just to avoid the law.


I will be happy when noone can smoke in the bars. It will be nice to not have to leave with a headache everytime i go out.

Why can't smokers have their own bar? If it's owned by a smoker and publicizes that it caters to smokers, that should be allowed, and people offended/bothered by smoke will steer clear.

O'Malley (####faced turd) won't even let the private clubs allow smoking.I agree with you on this one. :yay:
:justopenedcanofworms:

thats becasue it would be unfair to the bar accross the street, AND all the bars would turn into clubs to allow smoking just to avoid the law.


I will be happy when noone can smoke in the bars. It will be nice to not have to leave with a headache everytime i go out.

How is it UNFAIR to allow a choice?

Explain the logic in that.

thats becasue it would be unfair to the bar accross the street, AND all the bars would turn into clubs to allow smoking just to avoid the law.


I will be happy when noone can smoke in the bars. It will be nice to not have to leave with a headache everytime i go out.

SO, you are saying that bars would lose business because people enjoy smoking/drinking?

Other people are saying business will increase when we smokers no longer frequent bars/restaurants.

I believe in segregation. The non-smokers want a place to party/relax, and so do the smokers.

What's so difficult about that?

Birds of a feather flock together.

... Birds of a feather flock together.

Anti-Smokers aren't regular birds, they're Seagulls.

They're entire existence is defined by constant sqauking and ####ing all over anything others enjoy.

Non-Smokers aren't regular birds, they're Seagulls.

They're entire existence is defined by constant sqauking and ####ing all over anything others enjoy.

Don't go lumping the anti-smokers in with the non-smokers. Most of us are realistic about the issue and don't like the nanny state dictating this crap. It's a vocal few who get all whiney over it.

Don't go lumping the anti-smokers in with the non-smokers. Most of us are realistic about the issue and don't like the nanny state dictating this crap. It's a vocal few who get all whiney over it.

You are correct. :fixed:

...a total cop out. Then the argument would be people shaded their vote BECAUSE it was public.

Fact is, we vote in private in this country because that is the ONLY way the voter is alone with their conscience.

Anecdotally, we all know that most smokers complain about smoking because they intuitively and by experience know that smoking is bad for their health. There are very few of you who say "I like smoking and don't wanna stop".

If anything, I am surprised that there aren't more saying they want to quit but I am willing to accept the votes as they are. One thing for sure, there ain't a whole lot of people saying 'I gotta start smoking some day..."


:lmao:
But how do you know only smokers voted? You do have to show a voter registration card to vote don't you?

How is it UNFAIR to allow a choice?

Explain the logic in that.

Zealots are completely self-absorbed and cannot see another side to the argument. They think they are being reasonable, when in fact they are being cranks.

Arguing with them is pointless. We might as well try to convince Mohammad Suicide Bomber that Allah really doesn't have 72 virgins waiting for them.

The unadulterated fact is that any restaurant in the US can go non-smoking anytime they want.

And the other unadulterated fact is that many of them DON'T go non-smoking without government intrusion.

So, if non-smokers were such an economic boon, wouldn't more bars and restaurants go non-smoking to pick up that clientele?

Of course they would.

I think that smoking in public should be the restaurants choice..I have alot of friends that bartend in the Waldorf/La Plata area at places like Bennigans(which used to be standing room only in the bar until they passed the non smoking law) and Green Turtle, they said their tips have dropped significantly because smokers do not go to those places anymore. Also, the bartenders that are working at places like Gilligans and Goodtimes where you can smoke, have gotten an increase in tips due to the fact you can smoke there. I don't know if that is 100% true but, that is what they claim.

I am a smoker, have been smoking since 13 and am now 23. I feel like shiat in the mornings and have the bronchitis smokers cough during the winter/spring months, but really I enjoy smoking. I just hate those mornings when you are at a bar and get in the shower and the stinch of nasty stale cigs come off of my body and hair. I don't like the smell of smoke on clothes, but I love the smell when someone lights up in front of me! I don't know, I have no desire to quit, if I wanted to quit, I would have already.

Zealots are completely self-absorbed and cannot see another side to the argument. They think they are being reasonable, when in fact they are being cranks.

Arguing with them is pointless. We might as well try to convince Mohammad Suicide Bomber that Allah really doesn't have 72 virgins waiting for them.


I wonder if any of the Anti's know they have 72 cartons of non-filtered Camels waiting on them?

Anti-Smokers aren't regular birds, they're Seagulls.

They're entire existence is defined by constant sqauking and ####ing all over anything others enjoy.

:killingme

I used to smoke a pack or so a day. Then I quit. Then I decided I would have one a day. Then I decided to smoke whenever I felt like it. It started to become more like whenever the urge became too strong so I cut back to 2-3 per day. I wish I didn't smoke, but not bad enough to actually quit.

SO, you are saying that bars would lose business because people enjoy smoking/drinking?

Other people are saying business will increase when we smokers no longer frequent bars/restaurants.

I believe in segregation. The non-smokers want a place to party/relax, and so do the smokers.

What's so difficult about that?

Birds of a feather flock together.
Segregation? What an originial idea. Both races greatly benefited from this idea, and were better off for it. As you said, Birds of a feather ,flock together.

Good post!

Everyone here who voted that they enjoy smoking should just keep lighting up. Heck, I think you should smoke twice as much just to prove to all those who don't like smelling you that you are living the dream and enjoying your freedom. America needs people like you.. There just aren't enough jobs available at NASA for everyone......

I mean who's dumb enough to believe the warnings ont he side of cigarette packages anyways right? I'm sure cancer and all the other deadly diseases attributed to smoking only happen to people no one actually knows....

Segregation? What an originial idea. Both races greatly benefited from this idea, and were better off for it. As you said, Birds of a feather ,flock together.

Segregation's an excellent idea. Perhaps we can ship off all our smokers to countries like China or France...... Great idea!

Everyone here who voted that they enjoy smoking should just keep lighting up. Heck, I think you should smoke twice as much just to prove to all those who don't like smelling you that you are living the dream and enjoying your freedom. America needs people like you.. There just aren't enough jobs available at NASA for everyone......



What a charming person.

I'll bet that you're incredible fun at parties.


In person, when someone tries to engage you in conversation, do you normally just sneer at them until they leave, or do you verbally tell them to #### off?

your opinion.

Again, why can't I go have a drink without breathing it and coming home smelling like a chimney?

...with it if private business decided if they want to allow smoking or not?

But how do you know only smokers voted? You do have to show a voter registration card to vote don't you?

...we're getting into deep waters here. I really can't speak to how much 'jobbing' of the vote is going on.

What a charming person.

I'll bet that you're incredible fun at parties.


In person, when someone tries to engage you in conversation, do you normally just sneer at them until they leave, or do you verbally tell them to #### off?
I bet he has onion pits and is just upset because everybody shuns his stinky butt.
this is only his way of retaliating against others.

Segregation? What an originial idea. Both races greatly benefited from this idea, and were better off for it. As you said, Birds of a feather ,flock together.

You are retarded.

Smokers are completely self-absorbed and cannot see another side to the argument. They think they are being reasonable, when in fact they are being cranks.

Arguing with them is pointless. We might as well try to convince Mohammad Suicide Bomber that Allah really doesn't have 72 virgins waiting for them.
:fixed: See, it works that way too. :biggrin:

...with it if private business decided if they want to allow smoking or not?I've been lucky and avoided anyone asking this out right since Wenchys post where I said she opened the can of worms BUT, since I am a loud mouth on here I will stand up and take this head on.

That's going to be tough to argue against. I do not believe the goobermint should dictate what private business can and cannot do. Basically, it's wrong for them to tell private business they have to ban smoking.

HOWEVER, I do believe that I should be able to take my family to a place I choose and enjoy my dinner without having to smell your smoke.

It is harmful whether some believe it or not. I believe there should be cordoned off smoking areas that I don't have to walk through to get to.

I'll use the example that we have freedom of speech until it infringes on the rights of others. i.e. You cannot yell fire in a crowded theater. I have a right to enjoy my dinner in a smoke free environment.

As I have said repeatedly, you can smoke at home, in your car, outside and in a bar. You can even smoke at restaurants in most areas. You are inconvenienced in a very minor way.

What a charming person.

I'll bet that you're incredible fun at parties.


In person, when someone tries to engage you in conversation, do you normally just sneer at them until they leave, or do you verbally tell them to #### off?

I'll bet you're right! Consdiering how I only associate with those on my level. Believe it or not there are many of us and we have an excellent time everytime we get together for drinks and and to socialize. I have several friends who are reformed smokers and they hate smoking as much as I do. Infact the vast majority of non smokers are annoyed by your nasty habit. Our numbers are growing which is why you are seeing so much legislation to ban smoking. In ten years you'll be lucky if you can even smoke in your own house.

Cheers!

...with it if private business decided if they want to allow smoking or not?

Honestly it has already happened... I did work for a company who was a non-smoking company... yes, employees had to be non-smokers! I did not believe it when I first heard about it but I worked with one of the owners.

It boiled down to keeping their health insurance rates down. This was ~10 years ago and the company is located in NoVa (Tysons Corner)...

I worked really close with them and smoked at the time - they never gave me any flack for smoking when we went out to lunch, but I did do it outside in the open - it was my preference...

I bet he has onion pits and is just upset because everybody shuns his stinky butt.
this is only his way of retaliating against others.

I do like to instigate and since everyone here so easily offended you're just making my day that much more fun. Thank you for this!

I also do kick boxing as a hobby so to answer your question; no this isn't the only way I get to take my frustrations out on irritating people. PM me if you ever want to go a few rounds......

I do like to instigate and since everyone here so easily offended you're just making my day that much more fun. Thank you for this!

It's okay - we like to feed the trolls and find it amusing. So it is I who thanks you!

What I don't get is why couldn't they just have the places close off the smoking area so that the non- smoker won't be effected by it. Everyone has rights and someone rights are going to be effected!
I would have a bar with 2 different bar area. One zone where it is completely closed off for smokers and a non smoking bar. This way everyone is happy. Sh*t I would have 2 different entrance and warn patrons that they are entering the smoking area!! But that is me.. I know smoking and drinking goes hand in hand! I have seen some sh*t faced non smokers light up!!
What do you thing would be a fair deal for both party! How would you solve this?

Okay - let me throw the grenade in...

Smoking in public - if permitted - is someones right and they are allowed to while a non-smoker ate his/her dinner... the smoke gets on them and they smell it, it bothers them, and it ruins their dinner...

What if a non-smoker voluntararliy belches on or near a smoker and the "remnants" gets on them they smell it, it bothers them and it ruins their dinner...

Both are dirty habits in each others minds... but are both voluntarily controlled...

thoughts? I am just trying to look at it from the other side...

Okay - let me throw the grenade in...

Smoking in public - if permitted - is someones right and they are allowed to while a non-smoker ate his/her dinner... the smoke gets on them and they smell it, it bothers them, and it ruins their dinner...

What if a non-smoker voluntararliy belches on or near a smoker and the "remnants" gets on them they smell it, it bothers them and it ruins their dinner...

Both are dirty habits in each others minds... but are both voluntarily controlled...

thoughts? I am just trying to look at it from the other side...:killingme

Believe me - I am trying to look at it from the other side and this is all I could come up... yes - I am a former smoker to boot! :lmao:
Yes - I am going for the laugh... :yahoo:

Believe me - I am trying to look at it from the other side and this is all I could come up... yes - I am a former smoker to boot! :lmao:
Yes - I am going for the laugh... :yahoo:Ok, try this.

We're in a nice restaurant. Vrai is sitting at the table next to me. I fart.

Now I have "special" farts. They put off a green smoke and they reek...... they reek like my ass!!

My green fart smoke floats over to vrai and gets in her hair. It settles on her food. It attaches to her clothes. Vrai has to smell my fart all through her meal. Her kids smell it and it gets on them too.

When vrai leaves the restaurant and gets home, her hair, clothes and kids smell like.......my ass.

Oh and on top of all that, the CDC says my farts cause cancer!!!!


BUT!!!!! I have every right to fart in the restaurant!!

BUT!!!!! I have every right to fart in the restaurant!!

The part you're missing, moron, is that there are many non-smoking restaurants you can patronize if smoking offends your tender sensibilities so much.

By wanting to be where the smokers are and not taking advantage of the special restaurants that cater just to you, you're being an ####### and deliberately confrontational.

And if I ever meet you IRL, I promise I will blow smoke right straight in your face and hope you choke to death. :smile:

I read this and just get the visual of the Monty Python movie "Holy Grail" - the line where the Frenchman says;
"I fart in your general direction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl8H-rm6kt4)" :killingme

Vrai - you have a very valid point which I missed; you cannot smoke in just any resteraunt, but anyone can fart or belch (previous examples) in any resteraunt... there went my theory. :smile:

...comes from; Smokers.

Time to stand and be counted, smokers. Would you prefer that you did not smoke, but make one excuse after another to not quit? I'm trying to boil this all down, cut through all the issues, all the pro's and con's, the laws, the cost, the pesonal rights, and get down to bedrock, yes or no on smoking if you could snap your fingers. That means no urge, no missing of the habit, no more of the habitual ritual, nothing, just straightforward yes or no;

My point, my theory, is that this is not an issue people are going to march on, not going to man the barricades. Secretly or not, most smokers are glad they are slowly being forced to quit.

You didn't have a 'maybe ' option.

By that I mean, if i could smoke one or two every now and then (like some people i know) that would be my desire.

However, I'm a big friggin' addict...I smoke approx. 10 ciggs a day. (Down from a pack to pack and a half 7 years ago)

I also go out of my way to be a considerate smoker. I don't flick my ashes or butts out the car window, smoke in front of children, hang out at the front doors of public places smoking (instead i walk swiftly down the sidewalk & hope no one behind me dies of cancer), try to be considerate of guests in my house, and all-in-all one, good smoker as far as society is concerned.

But yes, I wish I never started.

Me, I enjoy it, even though I know it's bad for my health. So is eating a Big Mac..if you're going to tax smokers, tax bad food too.

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Moderation is everything and that is the route I'm taking with smoking.

I don't want to quit, I enjoy the relaxing effect it has upon me and those around me appreciate the fact that I haven't quit. I tried to quit before for reasons not my own and ended up being asked to start again. :biggrin:


Yep, I had to quit 'the patch'..:lmao:it was 10X worse than the smokes...

What do you thing would be a fair deal for both party! How would you solve this?

...solution, however radical it may sound; I'm pro choice.

Allow an owner to decide if they allow smoking or not and under what conditions; bubbles, separate, rooms, perhaps you must be a smoker to be allowed in? Freedom.

Now, as most of society including, as of this post, a majority of smokers, do not smoke or wish they did not, it is highly in public favor to have much non smoking going on. Democracy dictates that a majority gets to tell everyone else what to do.

Liberty dictates that the mob does not rule. So, as a practical reality, allow establishments the RIGHT to choose if they allow or not AND, in recognition of the desires of the mob, offer societal motivations for establishments to choose no smoking; Tax breaks.

So, if Applebee's says no smoking, there it is. If Cheeseburger says "By all means" so be it. Applebee's saves on their tax bill. Cheeseburger does not and they will decide that either it is worth it or not.

I am all in favor of inducements to desired behavior. I am opposed to totalitarian solutions.

You anti's are all for totalitarianism when it comes to smoking and you are walking right down that primrose path to your personal 'vice' being attacked by the same specious arguments you accept about second hand smoke.

Food.
Drink.
Entertainment. (yes, public health don't you know?)
Dress. (why not if the only criteria is that it offends someone?)

You people should be ashamed of yourselves. You are whiners and crybabies and are threats to all our freedoms, one little tiny one at a time. You may make the excuse that this is some small little thing and what harm can it really be yet, let's be honest, you're afraid of smoke in tiny little HARMELSS concentrations, other than your 'blessed' right to not smell anything that offends thee or, worse, have to take a shower or wash your damn cloths.

You are engaging in or at least supporting, which is the same thing, tyranny.

The part you're missing, moron, is that there are many non-smoking restaurants you can patronize if smoking offends your tender sensibilities so much.

By wanting to be where the smokers are and not taking advantage of the special restaurants that cater just to you, you're being an ####### and deliberately confrontational.

And if I ever meet you IRL, I promise I will blow smoke right straight in your face and hope you choke to death. :smile:
Real mature here vrai.

You insist I go to other places yet I'm the zealot. I don't wanna be where the smokers are. Maybe there's a place I wanna go because I like the food.

Who's the zealot??? I smacked you down good and this is the best you have!! You're going to blow smoke in my face?? :killingme :killingme

Real mature here vrai.

You insist I go to other places yet I'm the zealot. I don't wanna be where the smokers are. Maybe there's a place I wanna go because I like the food.

Who's the zealot??? I smacked you down good and this is the best you have!! :killingme :killingme You are.

Shes' advocating letting restaurants be smoking or non-smoking. Let the smokers go to theirs and the non-Smokers go to the non smoking establishments.

WTF is wrong with that? By imposing your requirements on the other side completely across the board you ARE in fact being confrontational and a ZEALOT.

It's not rocket science.

You are.

Shes' advocating letting restaurants be smoking or non-smoking. Let the smokers go to theirs and the non-Smokers go to the non smoking establishments.

WTF is wrong with that? By imposing your requirements on the other side completely across the board you ARE in fact being confrontational and a ZEALOT.

It's not rocket science.Negative. I haven't posted one confrontational post (purposely). I used a calm, rational method of debating presenting resonable positions for both sides. Vrai on the other hand has several posts where the word filter kicked in. :lmao: She's even became mean about it. Shows I'm under her skin. :lol:

I said they should have separate smoking areas. If every restaurant allows smoking with no separate nonsmoking area, there's no place for the nons to go. The minority zealots (smokers) refuse to see the other point of view. I believe that was straight from one of vrai's posts. They believe THEY should have the right to smoke anywhere and everywhere and screw the rights of those who don't smoke. They want to smoke where and when they please regardless of who it affects. Thank gawd the laws are being enacted so I can enjoy a meal without having to smell their crap.

Serious question because I'm coming up blank.... before smoking laws, where were the nonsmoking restaurants she keeps referring me to?

Serious question because I'm coming up blank.... before smoking laws, where were the nonsmoking restaurants she keeps referring me to?

...is the underlying problem. There were NONE. When I was a kid, airplanes, CLOTHING stores, all restaurants, GROCERY stores, anywhere and everywhere allowed smoking. McDonalds had little tin ashtrays.

There were non smoking areas in restaurants. My grandmother always asked strangers to not smoke near here.

So, the problem, motivation for there to be non smoking places; impose it or encourage it?

We've chosen imposition. We've used a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.

...is the underlying problem. There were NONE. When I was a kid, airplanes, CLOTHING stores, all restaurants, GROCERY stores, anywhere and everywhere allowed smoking. McDonalds had little tin ashtrays.

There were non smoking areas in restaurants. My grandmother always asked strangers to not smoke near here.

So, the problem, motivation for there to be non smoking places; impose it or encourage it?

We've chosen imposition. We've used a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.Thanks Larry. I come from a large family (6 siblings). All except for me and 1 sister smoked at one time or another. Both parents did.

95% of my friends do or did. I've been to forum gatherings where smokers are the majority. I won't stop associating with these good folks. I like them.

I wish there were good, nonsmoking restaurants around.


Lets have a hypothetical here. Lets say there was a GREAT place that EVERYONE loved and the owner made it nonsmoking.

Would smokers complain they can't go there because they can't smoke or would they wait the hour or so it takes them to enjoy their meal? Same scenario for a bar. Their right to smoke is infringed upon and they can't enjoy the nice place I can. I've been told go somewhere else, now they have to. Shoe on other foot.

Thanks Larry. I come from a large family (6 siblings). All except for me and 1 sister smoked at one time or another. Both parents did.

95% of my friends do or did. I've been to forum gatherings where smokers are the majority. I won't stop associating with these good folks. I like them.

I wish there were good, nonsmoking restaurants around.


Lets have a hypothetical here. Lets say there was a GREAT place that EVERYONE loved and the owner made it nonsmoking.

Would smokers complain they can't go there because they can't smoke or would they wait the hour or so it takes them to enjoy their meal? Same scenario for a bar. Their right to smoke is infringed upon and they can't enjoy the nice place I can. I've been told go somewhere else, now they have to. Shoe on other foot.

Disagreement here on the key point... The Smokers might complain about not being able to smoke there but they'd not be found passing legislation FORCING it to be a smoking establishment.

Okay, NOW I have entered the twilight zone.

You're right, Larry.

You're right, Mike.

There are NO non-smoking restaurants. Not a single one. And if there WERE non-smoking restaurants, they'd all suck. THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE DECENT NON-SMOKING RESTAURANT. Not in St. Mary's, not in Frederick, not in all of Maryland. Possibly not in the whole world.

I stand completely and totally corrected and it's a good thing there's a smoking ban, or you all would have to smell secondhand smoke until you keeled over or starved to death, whichever came first.

I have been the unreasonable offensive one, and Mike has been completely mature and accommodating. Polite and sensitive, even, as he typically is.

And I'm out of this retarded "conversation".

Okay, NOW I have entered the twilight zone.

You're right, Larry.

You're right, Mike.

There are NO non-smoking restaurants. Not a single one. And if there WERE non-smoking restaurants, they'd all suck. THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE DECENT NON-SMOKING RESTAURANT. Not in St. Mary's, not in Frederick, not in all of Maryland. Possibly not in the whole world.

I stand completely and totally corrected and it's a good thing there's a smoking ban, or you all would have to smell secondhand smoke until you keeled over or starved to death, whichever came first.

I have been the unreasonable offensive one, and Mike has been completely mature and accommodating. Polite and sensitive, even, as he typically is.

And I'm out of this retarded "conversation".



...was that all about? He asked about non smoking restraunts back in the day. I don't remember any. There are more, way more places in Maryland now where you can at least smoke at the bar than totally smoke free and I don't know of one bar that won't allow smoking. Even stupid Bushwallers went back to smoking a few years ago.

I enjoyed smoking too. I've started and stopped a few times over the years. The last time I quit was driven by the fact that I didn't want to set a bad example for my kids. I know that if I picked one cig and had a smoke, my next stop would be at the store to get more so I just stay away.

It's okay - we like to feed the trolls and find it amusing. So it is I who thanks you!

I'm glad we can entertain eachother. I think I'll be sticking around then since we are all having so much fun....

I stand completely and totally corrected and it's a good thing there's a smoking ban, or you all would have to smell secondhand smoke until you keeled over or starved to death, whichever came first.

I have been the unreasonable offensive one...

Well............... It's about time!

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