ABC News: Slimming Down by Taxing Soda (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4023221&page=1)

Gotta love it. First the smokers. Now fat people and soda.

I really have 2 issues with this. First, I think the medical industry needs to be knocked down a notch. Second, we are slowly moving away from a democracy and into socialism. (some might even argue we are already there).

What I do love about this is it is a DEMOCRAT doing this. I am sure they will spin it and blame Bush somehow.

Yesterday, smokers, Today fat people and sodas, what does tomorrow bring?

Wat does tomorrow bring?

Tax on air?

Why soda? You'd think he'd go after the snack chip people, the Hostess people and various chain restaurants, such as Outback, where a steak meal with a shared bloomin' onion appetizer can put you back almost 2,000 calories and over 100 grams of fat.

Gavin Newsome is such an idiot, and it speaks about the people of San Fran that they elected him.

Tax on air?

SHHHHHHH! Don't give em any ideas.

ABC News: Slimming Down by Taxing Soda (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4023221&page=1)

Gotta love it. First the smokers. Now fat people and soda.

I really have 2 issues with this. First, I think the medical industry needs to be knocked down a notch. Second, we are slowly moving away from a democracy and into socialism. (some might even argue we are already there).

What I do love about this is it is a DEMOCRAT doing this. I am sure they will spin it and blame Bush somehow.

Yesterday, smokers, Today fat people and sodas, what does tomorrow bring?

Congress recently banned incandescent light bulbs (Thanks Bush :smack: ) and soon all cars will need to meet the 30+ mpg standard.

The mayor is proposing that grocery chains pay a fee if they sell sodas such as Coca-Cola or any other drinks that are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup.
He probably owns stock in the chemical companies that produce artificial sweeteners. Follow the money on ANYTHING politicins do and most of their proposals "for the good of the community" help line their pockets.

ABC News: Slimming Down by Taxing Soda (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4023221&page=1)

Gotta love it. First the smokers. Now fat people and soda.

I really have 2 issues with this. First, I think the medical industry needs to be knocked down a notch. Second, we are slowly moving away from a democracy and into socialism. (some might even argue we are already there).

What I do love about this is it is a DEMOCRAT doing this. I am sure they will spin it and blame Bush somehow.

Yesterday, smokers, Today fat people and sodas, what does tomorrow bring?

Rush pointed this out over a decade ago. Just a matter of time. :whistle:

Congress recently banned incandescent light bulbs (Thanks Bush :smack: ) and soon all cars will need to meet the 30+ mpg standard.

:yahoo: the lights contain mercury. If everybody calls the EPA every time they break one, maybe they'll repeal that one.

Is that all cars SOLD here or or all MANUFACTURED here?

Why soda? You'd think he'd go after the snack chip people, the Hostess people and various chain restaurants, such as Outback, where a steak meal with a shared bloomin' onion appetizer can put you back almost 2,000 calories and over 100 grams of fat.

Gavin Newsome is such an idiot, and it speaks about the people of San Fran that they elected him.
So, I'm not fat. I want to drink high calories sodas and sugarry energy drinks. Are they going to tax me, the consumer, next?

:yahoo: the lights contain mercury.



Mmmmm mercury.
Sweetest of the transition metals.

Mmmmm mercury.
Sweetest of the transition metals.

:killingme

ABC News: Slimming Down by Taxing Soda (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4023221&page=1)

Gotta love it. First the smokers. Now fat people and soda.

I really have 2 issues with this. First, I think the medical industry needs to be knocked down a notch. Second, we are slowly moving away from a democracy and into socialism. (some might even argue we are already there).

What I do love about this is it is a DEMOCRAT doing this. I am sure they will spin it and blame Bush somehow.

Yesterday, smokers, Today fat people and sodas, what does tomorrow bring?


I predicted this years ago.

:yahoo: the lights contain mercury. If everybody calls the EPA every time they break one, maybe they'll repeal that one.One can only wish. How many people will dispose of them properly? Not many.

Is that all cars SOLD here or or all MANUFACTURED here?

Not sure. It's just more gorebull warming bs.The legislation requires automakers to increase fuel efficiency by 40 percent to an industry average 35 miles per gallon by 2020.

FOXNews.com - Tougher Emissions Regulations Could Bring End to Muscle Cars, Says GM - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317556,00.html)

Congress recently banned incandescent light bulbs (Thanks Bush :smack: ) and soon all cars will need to meet the 30+ mpg standard.

These are GOOD things.

Now if they would quit taking benefits away from the military.........

I don't drive a 30+ mpg car and have all compact fluoresent bulbs because I'm a Dem or a tree hugger.

I have them because I'm cheap!

Penny pinching to save the planet! :patriot:

ABC News: Slimming Down by Taxing Soda (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4023221&page=1)

Gotta love it. First the smokers. Now fat people and soda.

I really have 2 issues with this. First, I think the medical industry needs to be knocked down a notch. Second, we are slowly moving away from a democracy and into socialism. (some might even argue we are already there).

What I do love about this is it is a DEMOCRAT doing this. I am sure they will spin it and blame Bush somehow.

Yesterday, smokers, Today fat people and sodas, what does tomorrow bring?

We are beyond being a republic by a long shot; the U.S. was never a democracy. We are far down the road to becoming an elected dictatorship run by politically correct wackos. The sad part is the citizens of the United States keep electing the wackos.

... They need to raise the tax on stupidity.

I don't drive a 30+ mpg car and have all compact fluoresent bulbs because I'm a Dem or a tree hugger.

I have them because I'm cheap!

Penny pinching to save the planet! :patriot:

And that's the way it should be. These things should not be mandated by the gov.

I use fluorescent bulbs too in some places, but not everywhere because they take so long to get up to full brightness. For example, I use a mix in my bathroom light fixture...two fluorescent and one incandescent. The incandescent gives me enough quick light so that I can see while the fluorescents warm up.

And that's the way it should be. These things should not be mandated by the gov.

I use fluorescent bulbs too in some places, but not everywhere because they take so long to get up to full brightness. For example, I use a mix in my bathroom light fixture...two fluorescent and one incandescent. The incandescent gives me enough quick light so that I can see while the fluorescents warm up.

Most ones now don't need that "warm up" period. Mine are el-cheapos from Ikea and they blink right on. I've got them everywhere except the fridge.

But the mercury content is the problem. I wonder if everyone calls a hazmat unit to clean up every florescent bulb that breaks. I bet the answer is no.

But the mercury content is the problem. I wonder if everyone calls a hazmat unit to clean up every florescent bulb that breaks. I bet the answer is no.

No, the irony is that the tree huggers are pushing this, but where do all the bad ones go? In a landfill to leach into the soil. :lol:

Mmmmm mercury.
Sweetest of the transition metals.

So THAT'S where your forum name came from! :lmao:

So THAT'S where your forum name came from! :lmao:

One of the many places.

ya know, i'm not even going to read this because i'm still pissed about them tax gouging beer..and all alcohol for that matter. I'm not going to have any tax-free beverages left...i'm sure they'll find a way to tax water too...bastards.

But are they using the funds generated by the soda tax and the twinkie tax to pay for personal chefs, personal trainers and gym memberships for their constituents? Or are they raising their own salaries, buying private jets to fund their "fact-finding" trips, and entertaining campaign contributors?

Why soda? You'd think he'd go after the snack chip people, the Hostess people and various chain restaurants, such as Outback, where a steak meal with a shared bloomin' onion appetizer can put you back almost 2,000 calories and over 100 grams of fat.

Gavin Newsome is such an idiot, and it speaks about the people of San Fran that they elected him.

They better not touch my bloomin onion:duel:

But the mercury content is the problem. I wonder if everyone calls a hazmat unit to clean up every florescent bulb that breaks. I bet the answer is no.

Actually, some company (Philips, I believe, but not sure) sells a recycling kit for the compact fluorescent bulbs; $7.99, I think. Saw it a few months ago in Consumer Reports (I just get if for the product reviews, not Consumers Union's idiotic positions on things). Me, if one burns out I double bag it in Zip-Locs and toss in the trash; if one breaks, I sweep it up and do the same rather than run in fear of next to nothing and call in HAZMAT.

...i'm sure they'll find a way to tax water too...bastards.

If you're dumb enough to buy it in bottles with pretty labels, you're already paying sales tax on it.

Actually, some company (Philips, I believe, but not sure) sells a recycling kit for the compact fluorescent bulbs; $7.99, I think. Me, if one burns out I double bag it in Zip-Locs and toss in the trash; if one breaks, I sweep it up and do the same.

Exactly.

Who's going to buy recycling kits to throw away a light bulb when it's so easy to toss it in the trash to the land fill to the ground water to the aquifer and then back to you.
All that mercury gets recycled one way or another.

Me, if one burns out I double bag it in Zip-Locs and toss in the trash
That double zip-locking is going to do a whole lot of good when it gets thrown into a compactor :sarcasm:

Actually, some company (Philips, I believe, but not sure) sells a recycling kit for the compact fluorescent bulbs; $7.99, I think. Saw it a few months ago in Consumer Reports (I just get if for the product reviews, not Consumers Union's idiotic positions on things). Me, if one burns out I double bag it in Zip-Locs and toss in the trash; if one breaks, I sweep it up and do the same rather than run in fear of next to nothing and call in HAZMAT.

But I think you are breaking the law doing it your way. That will be next. And then there will be a HAZMAT fee or tax to pay for the HAZMAT cleanup crews.

But I think you are breaking the law doing it your way. That will be next. And then there will be a HAZMAT fee or tax to pay for the HAZMAT cleanup crews.

es, if you look at the back of the box, it says in small print to dispose of in accordance with local state and federal laws. That would not be throwing it in the trash.

If I could afford it, I'd get a Prius. :shrug:

But, I can't. So, I drive my gas-hungry SUV. I know it offends liberals but I can't do anything about it. :shrug:

Maybe one of their "Charity" groups should donate a new, more fuel efficent car to me. :jet:

If I could afford it, I'd get a Prius. :shrug:

But, I can't. So, I drive my gas-hungry SUV. I know it offends liberals but I can't do anything about it. :shrug:

Maybe one of their "Charity" groups should donate a new, more fuel efficent car to me. :jet:

I like the part about raising the industry standard to 30+ mpg because right now I'm paying about 3.10 a gallon. It just sucks that it will take about 5 years for it to take effect.

According to the EPA:
What to Do if a Fluorescent Light Bulb Breaks
EPA is continually reviewing its clean-up and disposal recommendations for CFLs to ensure that the Agency presents the most up-to-date information for consumers and businesses.

Fluorescent light bulbs contain a very small amount of mercury sealed within the glass tubing. EPA recommends the following clean-up and disposal guidelines:

1. Open a window and leave the room for 15 minutes or more.

2. Carefully scoop up the fragments and powder with stiff paper or cardboard and place them in a sealed plastic bag.

3. Use disposable rubber gloves, if available (i.e., do not use bare hands). Wipe the area clean with damp paper towels or disposable wet wipes and place them in the plastic bag.

Do not use a vacuum or broom to clean up the broken bulb on hard surfaces.

4. Place all cleanup materials in a second sealed plastic bag.

Place the first bag in a second sealed plastic bag and put it in the outdoor trash container or in another outdoor protected area for the next normal trash disposal.
Note: Some states prohibit such trash disposal and require that broken and unbroken lamps be taken to a local recycling center.

5. Wash your hands after disposing of the bag.

If a fluorescent bulb breaks on a rug or carpet:

1. First, remove all materials you can without using a vacuum cleaner, following the steps above. Sticky tape (such as duct tape) can be used to pick up small pieces and powder.

2. If vacuuming is needed after all visible materials are removed, vacuum the area where the bulb was broken, remove the vacuum bag (or empty and wipe the canister) and put the bag or vacuum debris in two sealed plastic bags in the outdoor trash or protected outdoor location for normal disposal.

I like the part about raising the industry standard to 30+ mpg because right now I'm paying about 3.10 a gallon. It just sucks that it will take about 5 years for it to take effect.

There are more fuel efficient cars out there RIGHT NOW! And it didn't take an act of Congress to make it happen. What does it take? $3.10 for a gallon of gas. Want more efficient cars faster and cheaper? Increase taxes on oil.

ABC News: Slimming Down by Taxing Soda (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4023221&page=1)

Gotta love it. First the smokers. Now fat people and soda.

I really have 2 issues with this. First, I think the medical industry needs to be knocked down a notch. Second, we are slowly moving away from a democracy and into socialism. (some might even argue we are already there).


Slowly?

One can only wish. How many people will dispose of them properly? Not many.



I throw mine in the bay.

There are more fuel efficient cars out there RIGHT NOW! And it didn't take an act of Congress to make it happen. What does it take? $3.10 for a gallon of gas. Want more efficient cars faster and cheaper? Increase taxes on oil.

So make gas even more expensive to nullify the advantage of a more effecient car? I'm not about the effeciency for the enviornment, I'm about it for my wallet. If you increase the effeciency all round, the demand for oil goes down and thus the price does.

I like the part about raising the industry standard to 30+ mpg because right now I'm paying about 3.10 a gallon. It just sucks that it will take about 5 years for it to take effect.

:lol: Don't think that a 6,000 lb SUV will be getting 30+ mpg in 5 years.
They'll just raise the price of the big cars till you're forced to buy a Honda Civic and the Corporate Average for the cars sold will be 30+

^ Or start making better small cars.

If you increase the effeciency all round, the demand for oil goes down and thus the price does.
Wrong. If you increase efficiency, people will just use more and the price will not change. People can currently save money. They just don't want to.

^ Or start making better small cars.

:confused: better than what?

The ONLY way to add more space to the interior of a car is to make it bigger :lol:

The sad part is the citizens of the United States keep electing the wackos.

That's all they're giving us. :shrug:

:confused: better than what?

The ONLY way to add more space to the interior of a car is to make it bigger :lol:
The Prius has more interior space than my mom's Grand Am. I, too, thought the Prius was a piece of junk.

Test drove one; I like it. I've never really liked how newer cars just JUMP and go 0-60 in 3 seconds when you push the gas. I also felt very comfortable driving the Prius, and lots of interior space, moreso than most sedans.

It may be ugly, but it's a sweet ride. Plus, it's really quiet, great for sneaking up on people. See Video.

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:confused: better than what?

The ONLY way to add more space to the interior of a car is to make it bigger :lol:

There has been a movement away from the old "econobox" small car the past few years.

Notice there hasn't been anything exciting in the family size car market in a while? It's because SUVs and minivans are marketed to families, even if they have 1 kid still in a car seat.

There has been a movement away from the old "econobox" small car the past few years.

Notice there hasn't been anything exciting in the family size car market in a while? It's because SUVs and minivans are marketed to families, even if they have 1 kid still in a car seat.
I can fit 25 mexicans in my SUV. :yikes:

:roflmao:

^ Or start making better small cars.

Quick, riddle me this Batman:

What is more efficient?

a. 50 people, all driving efficient small cars that get 50 MPG

b. 50 people all riding in a bus that gets 6 MPG


Small efficient cars are a feel good bandaid that has nothing to do with reducing our dependence on oil.

:lol: Don't think that a 6,000 lb SUV will be getting 30+ mpg in 5 years.
They'll just raise the price of the big cars till you're forced to buy a Honda Civic and the Corporate Average for the cars sold will be 30+

They're working on it and they could probably do it if they didn't care about the towing capacity.
GMC - 2008 Yukon Hybrid | World's First Hybrid SUV (http://www.gmc.com/yukonhybrid/index.jsp)

Or they need to create a vehicle like I'm designing for my grad project...

Quick, riddle me this Batman:

What is more efficient?

a. 50 people, all driving efficient small cars that get 50 MPG

b. 50 people all riding in a bus that gets 6 MPG


Small efficient cars are a feel good bandaid that has nothing to do with reducing our dependence on oil.

I'll take mass transit any day, especially if it means not having to deal with the Beltway or DC traffic.

Quick, riddle me this Batman:

What is more efficient?

a. 50 people, all driving efficient small cars that get 50 MPG

b. 50 people all riding in a bus that gets 6 MPG


Small efficient cars are a feel good bandaid that has nothing to do with reducing our dependence on oil.

Yeah, I realized that when I was riding with a group of motorcycles. Each one gets ~50 mpg, but each one only carries one person. So, in a group of five people/bikes, we have the same efficiency as the five of us in a massive SUV that gets 10 mpg.

Yeah, I realized that when I was riding with a group of motorcycles. Each one gets ~50 mpg, but each one only carries one person. So, in a group of five people/bikes, we have the same efficiency as the five of us in a massive SUV that gets 10 mpg.
In some areas, public transportation isn't an option. Especially if it means walking two and a half miles in temperatures well over 100° to get there.

Yeah, I realized that when I was riding with a group of motorcycles. Each one gets ~50 mpg, but each one only carries one person. So, in a group of five people/bikes, we have the same efficiency as the five of us in a massive SUV that gets 10 mpg.

And my massive SUV gets close to 20 on the open road and 16+ around town, V-8 and all.

Yeah, I realized that when I was riding with a group of motorcycles. Each one gets ~50 mpg, but each one only carries one person. So, in a group of five people/bikes, we have the same efficiency as the five of us in a massive SUV that gets 10 mpg.

Unfortunatly we don't seem to have 5 people at a time riding in massive SUVs around here. It's usually solo drivers. You pretty much have to have your own vehicle to get along down here and not many folks carpool.

And my massive SUV gets close to 20 on the open road and 16+ around town, V-8 and all.
I can make it to Richmond International Raceway and back on 9 gallons. :shrug:

Quick, riddle me this Batman:

What is more efficient?

a. 50 people, all driving efficient small cars that get 50 MPG

b. 50 people all riding in a bus that gets 6 MPG


Small efficient cars are a feel good bandaid that has nothing to do with reducing our dependence on oil.

But people don't ride the bus, they drive their SUV and get 15 mpg

But people don't ride the bus, they drive their SUV and get 15 mpg
Again, I repeat, if it was an option for everyone, more people would. :bigwhoop:

I have a question. So they are gonna require the cars to average 35mpg. Who enforces it? Does it mention what the punishment will be? As Congress tinkers with future mileage standards, bear in mind that the existing standards contain a large portion of hokum. On paper, federal law requires that new cars average 27.5 miles per gallon and that, by next year, new SUVs and pickups average 22.4 mpg. Annually, the Environmental Protection Agency certifies these targets are met. But do you know anyone except a hybrid owner whose new car actually gets 27.5 mpg in real-world use or whose new SUV actually records 22.4 mpg?

Here is the EPA's fuel economy guide to 2008 models. Search by MPG (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bympg.htm)

Search vehicle categories for "combined mpg," which equates to the 27.5 mpg legal standard. For the 2008 model year, there is not one single vehicle in the categories "large sedans," "luxury sedans," "minivans," "vans," "upscale sedans," "sporty cars," "convertibles" or "coupes" with an EPA combined mileage score of 27.5 or above. These categories are about half of the car market -- which the EPA certifies as averaging 27.5 mpg, though there is not any vehicle in the listed groups that actually meets that average! A dozen or so models in the "small cars," "family sedans" and "hatchbacks" categories do have a combined mileage score above 27.5 mpg, but little cars are a small segment of the auto market.

Then check the categories "pickup trucks" and "SUVs," where an average performance of 22.4 mpg is next year's theoretical legal minimum. Only two pickup trucks, the Ford Ranger two-wheel-drive model and the Mazda B2300, actually offer the combined mileage the government sets as the average for all new 2008 pickup trucks. In the SUVs category, several new hybrid models do better than 22.4 mpg, but hybrid SUVs are quite rare. Of regular-drive models, only the small "crossover" SUVs, led by the Jeep Compass and Jeep Patriot, actually offer the mpg performance the government says should be the average of all SUVs. No full-sized nonhybrid sport-utility vehicle -- the full-sized nonhybrids are the core of the SUV market -- actually records 22.4 mpg.

So yeah, this new law is pretty much all talk. Oh yeah, the carmakers won't have to do anything for 13 more years anyways!!!

whose new SUV actually records 22.4 mpg?

My current SUV typically gets 23-24 mpg and my old pickup typically got 25-27 mpg (even got 30 mpg once) :shrug:

If I could afford it, I'd get a Prius. :shrug:

But, I can't. So, I drive my gas-hungry SUV. I know it offends liberals but I can't do anything about it. :shrug:

Maybe one of their "Charity" groups should donate a new, more fuel efficent car to me. :jet:
Take the 200 a month you spend on gas for your SUV and you could have a 30+mpg car.
Think I haven't thought about it?

I have bills to pay. I have to pay for college. I can't just drop the cash and buy a new car.

Think I haven't thought about it?

I have bills to pay. I have to pay for college. I can't just drop the cash and buy a new car.

Get in line for a Smart Car :yay:
smart USA - open your mind to the car that challenges the status quo (http://www.smartusa.com/)

Cure for Global Warming and Obesity:

Walk more, drive less.

Easier said than done around here though.

Cure for Global Warming and Obesity:

Walk more, drive less.

Easier said than done around here though.
If I could go for a walk, SAFELY, in Waldorf, I would.

yep congress wants to BAN SUV's and force everyone into unsafe Prius

Congress recently banned incandescent light bulbs (Thanks Bush :smack: ) and soon all cars will need to meet the 30+ mpg standard.

what happens if the cars dont meet the standard?

They're working on it and they could probably do it if they didn't care about the towing capacity.
GMC - 2008 Yukon Hybrid | World's First Hybrid SUV (http://www.gmc.com/yukonhybrid/index.jsp)

Or they need to create a vehicle like I'm designing for my grad project...

Fords already got a Hybrid SUV - or is the Escape to small to qualify ....

I'll take mass transit any day, especially if it means not having to deal with the Beltway or DC traffic.

YUM Riding the Subway with the Great Unwashed Masses ............ :whistle:

I have a question. So they are gonna require the cars to average 35mpg. Who enforces it? Does it mention what the punishment will be?

Right now the Gov adds a Gas Guzzler Tax ........ you'll find it on all Lambo's Bentlys's ..... Etc of several 1000 dollars depending on how bad the FE is

what happens if the cars dont meet the standard?
Cars manufacturers or importers will be fined, or taxed. A fee they will in turn pass along to consumers when they sell the cars. This is something they already do. When I bought my first car in 1990, I looked at SAABs...the dealer also sold Lamborghinis...I happened to look at a sticker and there was a fee I didn't recognize, so I asked...he called it a gas-guzzling tax. The car made 6 miles to the gallon.

:coffee:


"I'm the enemy because I like to think. I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy that could sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs or the side order of gravy fries? I want high cholesterol. I would eat bacon and butter and buckets of cheese. Okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigars the size of Cincinnati in the nonsmoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-O all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I might suddenly feel the need to. Okay, pal?"

Dennis Leary
Demolition Man.


:snacks:

Starts about 4:25

JPrTP7vEH2E

YUM Riding the Subway with the Great Unwashed Masses ............ :whistle:

I ride the subway everyday and am surrounded by other business folks going to work. What subway do you ride?

Cars manufacturers or importers will be fined, or taxed. A fee they will in turn pass along to consumers when they sell the cars. This is something they already do. When I bought my first car in 1990, I looked at SAABs...the dealer also sold Lamborghinis...I happened to look at a sticker and there was a fee I didn't recognize, so I asked...he called it a gas-guzzling tax. The car made 6 miles to the gallon.

oh thanks. so if you already have you car then you dont have to worry about it?

:coffee:





:snacks:

Starts about 4:25

JPrTP7vEH2E
Daym...what's the name of that movie...I saw it in the theater, about 1994?...loved the sex scene in it. :lmao:

Nevermind...I see it, Demolition Man.....anyone up for some Taco Bell?

YUM Riding the Subway with the Great Unwashed Masses ............ :whistle:

No kidding! I would sit an extra hour in traffic everyday than have all those people breathing up my air and coughing all over... yeesh. I've always hated crowds, any kind of enforced closeness with strangers makes my skin crawl. I have a seriously good sence of smell which is torture. Unwashed people, dirty hair, overpowering perfume, I smell it all at a distance and flinch away. I had to ride the subway a few times over the years and it was always torture during busy periods. That last summer before I retired was the worst. I was pregnant with my daughter and it was so hot. Some fat lady stood next to me and I could smell her dirty hair and she was letting out these silent and deadly farts. I told my boss never again..... I'd rather shovel horse #### all day long than spend 10 minutes on a hot crowded subway car.

Here's a novel idea............let's drill for more oil here in America and build more refineries...........

I will say that my Camry gets an average of 29 mpg, thats not too bad.

I have lurked here and saw a few things that I got a kick out of. One was the gas mileage factor of riding a motorcycle. Yes: you can save a little gas on a motorcycle.Unfortunately that cost is offset by the cost of tires. If the bike has a chain you might think of buying a new chain every 12,000 miles,extra clothing, safety gear,freezing weather brings black ice (a killer) I have ridden home in a snow storm and believe it or not the trip wasnt so bad for my part ,You tend to drag your feet a lot. but if some else slides into you, you arent in a good defensive position. Motorcycles are a great hobby , but they arent very economical in the long run. Especially those that cost in the 20,000 or 30,000 dollar range.

States and Feds in their never-ending search for more money have just about driven cigarettes as high as they can get so they have to look on new sources. The carbon Credit scam looks to me like one of the sweetest scams to ever come down the pike.
You charge a tax on energy to pay to plant trees or do research on some Greenie inspired power source that doesnt exist and probably will never work, or some such horsecrap like that ,the government or Al Gore take the middle mans cut and a pittance will actually do some small amount of good that is all out of proportion to the money stolen. What a racket.

I have lurked here and saw a few things that I got a kick out of. One was the gas mileage factor of riding a motorcycle. Yes: you can save a little gas on a motorcycle.Unfortunately that cost is offset by the cost of tires.[QUOTE=ImnoMensa;2574359]$200 every 10,000 miles?...not even close. And you do have to buy tires for cars too...just not nearly as often.
[QUOTE=ImnoMensa;2574359]If the bike has a chain you might think of buying a new chain every 12,000 miles$50
extra clothing, safety gear$500
freezing weather brings black ice (a killer) I have ridden home in a snow storm and believe it or not the trip wasnt so bad for my part ,You tend to drag your feet a lot. but if some else slides into you, you arent in a good defensive position.Nobody said ride it every day, but those rare conditions that you talk about are the same ones that many people avoid...even in cars.
Motorcycles are a great hobby , but they arent very economical in the long run. Especially those that cost in the 20,000 or 30,000 dollar range.You must be a Harley guy....a very good, brand new bike can be had for <$10k. I got mine used (2002 Yamaha YZF-600R) for $3k. For that price, I can forgo the new tires/chains and just buy a new bike every 10,000 miles and still come out ahead vs. a car.

I ride the subway everyday and am surrounded by other business folks going to work. What subway do you ride?

Rode Metro for 6 months on a contract downtown 18th and H NW

you never get the smelly bums ........... :barf: