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ImnoMensa
01-01-2008, 10:08 AM
TIGER ATTACK VICTIMS USED SLINGSHOT ON TIGER (http://www.nypost.com/seven/12312007/news/nationalnews/tiger_attack_victims_used_slingshot_on_t_469573.htm)

Mess with the bull, you get the horn.

Pasofever
01-01-2008, 10:12 AM
Yep what goes around comes around...Shame they shot (killed) the tiger though..

cattitude
01-01-2008, 10:13 AM
And there you have it.

Pasofever
01-01-2008, 10:14 AM
She really wanted them bad too...You can see how smart those animals are..She stayed in for years if left alone...piss her off and there you go..sad..:frown:

cattitude
01-01-2008, 10:17 AM
She really wanted them bad too...You can see how smart those animals are..She stayed in for years if left alone...piss her off and there you go..sad..:frown:

But you watch...dead boy's family will sue and get money. It's already been said the fence was probably not high enough. Fence needs to be high because we have drunk idiots with slingshots that think it's funny to abuse an animal.

Larry Gude
01-01-2008, 10:19 AM
...I've been patiently waiting for this story to get a little more intersting.
Just didn't sound like the whole story.

RoseRed
01-01-2008, 10:20 AM
But you watch...dead boy's family will sue and get money. It's already been said the fence was probably not high enough. Fence needs to be high because we have drunk idiots with slingshots that think it's funny to abuse an animal.

Disgusting, isn't it.

forestal
01-01-2008, 10:26 AM
I'm not defending three idiots who learned their lesson, but the zoo has a responsibility to keep their animals from getting out of their enclosures. If the fence was too low, someone is going to find themselves called into account. The zoo has the responsibility of protecting everyone, even punks, from animals leaping out of their enclosures. What if the tiger had killed someone who wasn't even involved in this speculated taunting?


But you watch...dead boy's family will sue and get money. It's already been said the fence was probably not high enough. Fence needs to be high because we have drunk idiots with slingshots that think it's funny to abuse an animal.

Pasofever
01-01-2008, 10:28 AM
But you watch...dead boy's family will sue and get money. It's already been said the fence was probably not high enough. Fence needs to be high because we have drunk idiots with slingshots that think it's funny to abuse an animal.

Yeah I think I read already where they already plan to sue...I think the judge should say ..Justice served now you pay the zoo $10K for the tiger

Larry Gude
01-01-2008, 10:29 AM
I'm not defending three idiots who learned their lesson, but the zoo has a responsibility to keep their animals from getting out of their enclosures. If the fence was too low, someone is going to find themselves called into account. The zoo has the responsibility of protecting everyone, even punks, from animals leaping out of their enclosures. What if the tiger had killed someone who wasn't even involved in this speculated taunting?

...only you.

Don't you feel a twinge of justice that these a holes got attacked by the tiger for what they allegedly did? Don't you think, maybe, that the tiger was able to discern who was attacking him?

Or is the tiger like a gun; a mindless idiot that's gonna kill everyone?

forestal
01-01-2008, 10:46 AM
Your Schadenfreude is overriding your common sense.

You don't see a problem with the fence being too low? If a cat can get out, it's too low. I wouldn't like to see the punk's families getting a dime, but that fence needed to be higher.

I'm all for the idiots of the world offing themselves, but not at the risk of someone else getting killed.



...only you.

Don't you feel a twinge of justice that these a holes got attacked by the tiger for what they allegedly did? Don't you think, maybe, that the tiger was able to discern who was attacking him?

Or is the tiger like a gun; a mindless idiot that's gonna kill everyone?

Mikeinsmd
01-01-2008, 10:55 AM
I'm not defending three idiots who learned their lesson, but the zoo has a responsibility to keep their animals from getting out of their enclosures. If the fence was too low, someone is going to find themselves called into account. The zoo has the responsibility of protecting everyone, even punks, from animals leaping out of their enclosures. What if the tiger had killed someone who wasn't even involved in this speculated taunting?Sorta like the US Military has a responsibility to protect her citizens. Even your punk, idiotic, dumbass.

Do me a favor, go taunt a tiger with a slingshot. :jet:

forestal
01-01-2008, 11:02 AM
and we have a responsibility to protect our military from a dumbass president who sends them off to fight wars they don't have to.

Sorta like the US Military has a responsibility to protect her citizens. Even your punk, idiotic, dumbass.

Do me a favor, go taunt a tiger with a slingshot. :jet:

Dork
01-01-2008, 11:09 AM
Your Schadenfreude is overriding your common sense.

You don't see a problem with the fence being too low? If a cat can get out, it's too low. I wouldn't like to see the punk's families getting a dime, but that fence needed to be higher.

I'm all for the idiots of the world offing themselves, but not at the risk of someone else getting killed.


If the fence was kinda low and several peoplethrew your azz into the pen, would that be the zoo's fault? I don't think the witnesses would cooperate if it was just you being thrown in. No Loss.

Mikeinsmd
01-01-2008, 11:15 AM
and we have a responsibility to protect our military form a dumbass president who sends them off to fight wars they don't have to.Well hop on up to the Hill and be heard coward!! :patriot:

Sonsie
01-01-2008, 11:44 AM
Your Schadenfreude is overriding your common sense.

You don't see a problem with the fence being too low? If a cat can get out, it's too low. I wouldn't like to see the punk's families getting a dime, but that fence needed to be higher.

I'm all for the idiots of the world offing themselves, but not at the risk of someone else getting killed.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with knucklehead but look at it like this. OK, the idiots got what they deserved but the cat could just as easily turned on you standing nearby with your kids once he killed the first one. There really should not be any danger in going to the zoo. The fence should have been higher, the moat deeper, whatever... That tiger should not have been able to get out no matter what.

Larry Gude
01-01-2008, 12:02 PM
Your Schadenfreude is overriding your common sense.

You don't see a problem with the fence being too low? If a cat can get out, it's too low. I wouldn't like to see the punk's families getting a dime, but that fence needed to be higher.

I'm all for the idiots of the world offing themselves, but not at the risk of someone else getting killed.

...even we share some thoughts.

Now, why do you suppose, if the fence was 'too' low, this didn't happen every day? Or ever? Sure, raise it, but, don't leave out just how provoked this animal must have been. Had the fence been 'too high' these alleged pieces of #### would have gotten away with it.

Bruzilla
01-01-2008, 02:01 PM
I have to disagree with you. The problem here was not the height of the fence. If it were the tiger would have escaped long before now. The difference in this case was a couple of drunk a-holes who provoked the tiger with a slingshot. Apparentlym there was never a danger of the tiger getting out and attacking John Q. Public as we now know she could have anytime she set her mind to doing so.

This seems like a clear-cut case of self-defense... oh yeah... they don't have that in CA.

Bustem' Down
01-01-2008, 02:53 PM
I'm not defending three idiots who learned their lesson, but the zoo has a responsibility to keep their animals from getting out of their enclosures. If the fence was too low, someone is going to find themselves called into account. The zoo has the responsibility of protecting everyone, even punks, from animals leaping out of their enclosures. What if the tiger had killed someone who wasn't even involved in this speculated taunting?

The enclosure passed inspections for decades as being within the regulations of the law.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 02:55 PM
...even we share some thoughts.

Now, why do you suppose, if the fence was 'too' low, this didn't happen every day? Or ever? Sure, raise it, but, don't leave out just how provoked this animal must have been. Had the fence been 'too high' these alleged pieces of shiot would have gotten away with it.

:yeahthat:

edinsomd
01-01-2008, 03:34 PM
Sorry for the tiger, but somehow this reminds me of the punchline from a bad joke:
"Hey, waiter, these Rocky Mountain oysters are much smaller than the ones you served me the other day! How come?"
"You see Senor, some days, the bull, he wins...."
Ed:killingme

forestal
01-01-2008, 03:59 PM
Even a severely provoked tiger should not physically be able to leap out of its enclosure.

case closed.

I have to disagree with you. The problem here was not the height of the fence. If it were the tiger would have escaped long before now. The difference in this case was a couple of drunk a-holes who provoked the tiger with a slingshot. Apparentlym there was never a danger of the tiger getting out and attacking John Q. Public as we now know she could have anytime she set her mind to doing so.

This seems like a clear-cut case of self-defense... oh yeah... they don't have that in CA.

forestal
01-01-2008, 04:00 PM
I guess the inspectors will have to be held accountable. It's obvious the fence was too low.

oops!
The Associated Press: Zoo Director Says Tiger Wall Was Low (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEclFYG2_eqGTpkeD4OknwUlgqEgD8TQ7CPO0)

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The director of the zoo where a teenager was killed by an escaped tiger acknowledged Thursday that the wall around the animal's pen was just 12 1/2 feet high — well below the height recommended by the accrediting agency for the nation's zoos.

The enclosure passed inspections for decades as being within the regulations of the law.

basher
01-01-2008, 04:03 PM
from the article....."Meanwhile, an unidentified couple was allowed to hold their wedding at the zoo last night under tight security. Guests had to clear special checkpoints."


who gets married at a zoo? :shrug: just curious...

edinsomd
01-01-2008, 04:12 PM
Even a severely provoked tiger should not physically be able to leap out of its enclosure.

case closed.

Actually, the public should not be in a position to be able provoke the tiger in the first place; I'll bet this changes very soon. Having apparently done so, however, at least one of these idiots has removed himself from the gene pool and is well deserving of a Darwin Award.
Ed

edinsomd
01-01-2008, 04:14 PM
from the article....."Meanwhile, an unidentified couple was allowed to hold their wedding at the zoo last night under tight security. Guests had to clear special checkpoints."


who gets married at a zoo? :shrug: just curious...

Well, it IS San Francisco, after all. I'll leave it at that.
Ed

Larry Gude
01-01-2008, 04:24 PM
Even a severely provoked tiger should not physically be able to leap out of its enclosure.

case closed.


...cruel assface ####wads dead and mangled.


Case closed.

bcp
01-01-2008, 04:40 PM
I thought this was going to be about someone cheating at golf.

but instead I see its a happy story about a-holes with a slingshot that thought it funny to further torment a caged animal getting what they deserve.

Darwin was certainly right about that survival thing.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 04:51 PM
Even a severely provoked tiger should not physically be able to leap out of its enclosure.

case closed.

If he wasn't taunted, he wouldn't of jumped out to "DEFEND" himself from getting pelted with rocks.

Hey I got an idea! Why don't you come over and stand below my 6' fence and let me use my wrist rocket and pelt you with stones as you try to get to me cause your PISSED and it HURTS. :smack: Azzhole!


CASE CLOSED!

godsbutterfly
01-01-2008, 04:51 PM
Even a severely provoked tiger should not physically be able to leap out of its enclosure.

case closed.

Even animals get an adrenaline rush when angered. True - the wall was high enough to pass inspection for years, but evidently nobody had ever enraged the tiger before and his physical abilities were underestimated. The whole story is horrible and no, the two surviving brothers will probably never admit they were tormenting that tiger with slingshots. As for the boy who was killed - we will never know for sure if he did any provoking or not.

RoseRed
01-01-2008, 05:23 PM
Someone told me
Its all happening at the zoo.

I do believe it,
I do believe its true.

Its a light and tumble journey
From the east side to the park;
Just a fine and fancy ramble
To the zoo.

But you can take the crosstown bus
If its raining or its cold,
And the animals will love it
If you do.

Somethin tells me
Its all happening at the zoo.

The monkeys stand for honesty,
Giraffes are insincere,
And the elephants are kindly but
Theyre dumb.
Orangutans are skeptical
Of changes in their cages,
And the zookeeper is very fond of rum.

Zebras are reactionaries,
Antelopes are missionaries,
Pigeons plot in secrecy,
And hamsters turn on frequently.
What a gas! you gotta come and see
At the zoo.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 05:28 PM
Someone told me
Its all happening at the zoo.

I do believe it,
I do believe its true.

Its a light and tumble journey
From the east side to the park;
Just a fine and fancy ramble
To the zoo.

But you can take the crosstown bus
If its raining or its cold,
And the animals will love it
If you do.

Somethin tells me
Its all happening at the zoo.

The monkeys stand for honesty,
Giraffes are insincere,
And the elephants are kindly but
Theyre dumb.
Orangutans are skeptical
Of changes in their cages,
And the zookeeper is very fond of rum.

Zebras are reactionaries,
Antelopes are missionaries,
Pigeons plot in secrecy,
And hamsters turn on frequently.
What a gas! you gotta come and see
At the zoo.


:love:

Bruzilla
01-01-2008, 05:30 PM
Even a severely provoked tiger should not physically be able to leap out of its enclosure.

case closed.

You know... I've been saying the same thing about murderers and rapists for decades, but some how they are always able to get released from their enclosures and kill and maim. Maybe if we could shoot them down like that tiger was shot down...

Larry Gude
01-01-2008, 05:32 PM
You know... I've been saying the same thing about murderers and rapists for decades, but some how they are always able to get released from their enclosures and kill and maim. Maybe if we could shoot them down like that tiger was shot down...

...maybe build cages with higher walls so they can NEVER get out and hurt innocents again?

RoseRed
01-01-2008, 05:35 PM
:love:

That song was used for a long time for the SF Zoo advertisement.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 05:44 PM
That song was used for a long time for the SF Zoo advertisement.

Yeah I'm a Northern Cali boy.

Went back 2 yrs ago this past November. Flew into Oakland. Went to SF and did the bar crawl. Stayed a few days in SF. Then drove down to Pacifica and went Horse back riding on the beach for the day. I think it was about 70 degrees. :yay:

RoseRed
01-01-2008, 06:01 PM
Yeah I'm a Northern Cali boy.

Went back 2 yrs ago this past November. Flew into Oakland. Went to SF and did the bar crawl. Stayed a few days in SF. Then drove down to Pacifica and went Horse back riding on the beach for the day. I think it was about 70 degrees. :yay:

I haven't been "home" in 4 years, I need to do that too.

tomchamp
01-01-2008, 06:05 PM
I haven't been "home" in 4 years, I need to do that too.

Thought your home was here now?

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 06:11 PM
I haven't been "home" in 4 years, I need to do that too.

Jet Blue had a special, by one ticket the other was free. Stayed at the Marc. Took the trolly downtown and walked from there. Love the Wharf. You wouldn't believe how much it's changed.

My new job is based out of Cali. They are sending me to New Mexico on the 8th -15th. I come home for 12 days and leave again for Off Shores Alabama. I'll hit Cali again this year. :yay: I'll take you with me. :buddies: All expenses paid. Except booze. :otter: :lol:



Put that as one of your resolutions.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 06:12 PM
Thought your home was here now?

If your from Cali, St. Mary's will never be home. :smack:



:lol:

czygvtwkr
01-01-2008, 06:23 PM
There are Tigers in the wild hurry catch them all and put them behind a 20 foot fence! For heavens sake some a-hole might get eaten.

Kyle
01-01-2008, 07:54 PM
...maybe build cages with higher walls so they can NEVER get out and hurt innocents again? Better yet, hold the Judges, Wardens and Gov. Authorities "PERSONALLY & FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE" for the ones that get out and cause harm again.

Bustem' Down
01-01-2008, 08:04 PM
I guess the inspectors will have to be held accountable. It's obvious the fence was too low.

oops!
The Associated Press: Zoo Director Says Tiger Wall Was Low (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gEclFYG2_eqGTpkeD4OknwUlgqEgD8TQ7CPO0)

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The director of the zoo where a teenager was killed by an escaped tiger acknowledged Thursday that the wall around the animal's pen was just 12 1/2 feet high — well below the height recommended by the accrediting agency for the nation's zoos.


Read your quoted passages carefully. Recomended height was higher, but it was within the REQUIRED height.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 08:20 PM
Better yet, hold the Judges, Wardens and Gov. Authorities "PERSONALLY & FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE" for the ones that get out and cause harm again.

Noone is at fault but the 3 that antagonized that tiger. He was fine for how many years with the "wall" at it's height and passed the inspections?
Its cruel to sustain a wild animal for show! They have tendencies and instincts!

You piss them off and there natural instincts come in play? Your going to pay!

AndyMarquisLIVE
01-01-2008, 08:37 PM
Read your quoted passages carefully. Recomended height was higher, but it was within the REQUIRED height.
Forestool's a socialist liberal.

Sue this person, regulate this, require that, tax this. That's forestool's thought pattern.

Larry Gude
01-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Better yet, hold the Judges, Wardens and Gov. Authorities "PERSONALLY & FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE" for the ones that get out and cause harm again.

...you imagine if leftists wanted to hold those folks responsible in the same fashion they want corporations held responsible?

Great angle!

forestal
01-01-2008, 09:14 PM
You really aren't making much of a point here, just hurling insults.

Why not start the new year fresh with some sort of thought pattern?

Forestool's a socialist liberal.

Sue this person, regulate this, require that, tax this. That's forestool's thought pattern.

forestal
01-01-2008, 09:17 PM
Okay, that article leaves some wiggle room for interpretation.. here's another article that doesn't.



Tiger wall at zoo below standard height - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/28/tiger_wall_at_zoo_below_standard_height/4479/)

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 28 (UPI) -- The wall around the tiger exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo, where a man was killed by an escaped tiger, was 4 feet lower than national standards.

Read your quoted passages carefully. Recomended height was higher, but it was within the REQUIRED height.

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 09:17 PM
You really aren't making much of a point here, just hurling insults.

Why not start the new year fresh with some sort of thought pattern?

:fixed:


:shrug:

AndyMarquisLIVE
01-01-2008, 09:20 PM
You really aren't making much of a point here, just hurling insults.

Why not start the new year fresh with some sort of though pattern?
I'm already meeting my New Year's Resolutions (http://forums.somd.com/life-southern-maryland/124078-new-years-resolutions.html). :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

Where did I insult you? :confused:

I said you're a socalist. Are you not a socialist? Are you not liberal?

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Okay, that article leaves some wiggle room for interpretation.. here's another article that doesn't.



Tiger wall at zoo below standard height - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/28/tiger_wall_at_zoo_below_standard_height/4479/)

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 28 (UPI) -- The wall around the tiger exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo, where a man was killed by an escaped tiger, was 4 feet lower than national standards.


You can't be for real and think these boys are innocent in anyway shape or form :lalala:

forestal
01-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Thanks, must be the wine...


:fixed:


:shrug:

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 09:22 PM
Thanks, must be the wine...

You posting after mine or what? If your talking to me, I don't drink wine. :buddies:

AndyMarquisLIVE
01-01-2008, 09:23 PM
Okay, that article leaves some wiggle room for interpretation.. here's another article that doesn't.



Tiger wall at zoo below standard height - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/28/tiger_wall_at_zoo_below_standard_height/4479/)

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 28 (UPI) -- The wall around the tiger exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo, where a man was killed by an escaped tiger, was 4 feet lower than national standards.

4 feet below the national "standard"? :rolleyes:

It's not the tiger's fault. It's not the zoo's fault. It's the dumbazz tards who decided to shoot pelletts at an animal. They're dead. Justice served. :yay:

Next time these punks know what happens when you mess with the bull. :jet:

unixpirate
01-01-2008, 09:28 PM
4 feet below the national "standard"? :rolleyes:

It's not the tiger's fault. It's not the zoo's fault. It's the dumbazz tards who decided to shoot pelletts at an animal. They're dead. Justice served. :yay:

Next time these punks know what happens when you mess with the bull. :jet:

The next punk asses won't do that! Lesson learned! Sorry kid that lost his life and the family that is morning. Teach your children well:smoochy:

Dixie
01-02-2008, 05:58 AM
I'm not trying to agree or disagree w/anyone here - the tiger was able to escape I'm assuming because of the combination of adrenaline rush and the wall being too low. The boys supposedly taunted the tiger and the tiger had the forethought to kill/maim the right kids. What if the tiger went on a rampage and killed the wrong people - who's at fault - who gets sued - the boys who started it - the zoo because the walls were too low?

Does anyone remember the big cat cage at the National Zoo ten years or so ago? It was up high with what looked like extremely low fences. Used to scare the heck out of me because I could never figure out what was actually keeping them in their cages.

mingiz
01-02-2008, 06:23 AM
If he wasn't taunted, he wouldn't of jumped out to "DEFEND" himself from getting pelted with rocks.

Hey I got an idea! Why don't you come over and stand below my 6' fence and let me use my wrist rocket and pelt you with stones as you try to get to me cause your PISSED and it HURTS. :smack: Azzhole!


CASE CLOSED!

:yeahthat: Animals don't usually attack unless provoked

Larry Gude
01-02-2008, 06:24 AM
I'm not trying to agree or disagree w/anyone here - the tiger was able to escape I'm assuming because of the combination of adrenaline rush and the wall being too low. The boys supposedly taunted the tiger and the tiger had the forethought to kill/maim the right kids. What if the tiger went on a rampage and killed the wrong people - who's at fault - who gets sued - the boys who started it - the zoo because the walls were too low?

Does anyone remember the big cat cage at the National Zoo ten years or so ago? It was up high with what looked like extremely low fences. Used to scare the heck out of me because I could never figure out what was actually keeping them in their cages.

..fine. The cage can be higher. People can get killed in a car accident on the way. Kids can choke on candy apples and we could all die of global warming. The point is what DID happen, not what COULD happen. The story is that the cat got his antagonists, not that he went on some blind rampage.

There is a whole lot of bad things that have happened to people who went to that zoo the last however many years, on a regular basis, that didn't include this tiger. Don't you think that, by and lage, most of the people who were responsible for this animal figured everything was fine, and were right?

This is precisely the gun control argument we have in this nation; what measure could be taken to prevent some 'tragedy' as opposed to what about the people involved?

If these kids had been pelting some old bag lady with slingshots and she blew them away, some people would say "We gotta get guns off the streets! What if she'd shot everyone in the park!?" instead of the far more logical 'they got shot because they deserved it."

Let's focus on the bad guys for once; these kids. And let's celebrate that they got what they deserved. And let's all endeavor to be nicer to one another and expect better behavior from one another in light of this incident.
Imagine if we treated one another like we all had a gun.

Or were tigers that just might get out of our cages.

AA996
01-02-2008, 06:41 AM
..fine. The cage can be higher. People can get killed in a car accident on the way. Kids can choke on candy apples and we could all die of global warming. The point is what DID happen, not what COULD happen. The story is that the cat got his antagonists, not that he went on some blind rampage.

There is a whole lot of bad things that have happened to people who went to that zoo the last however many years, on a regular basis, that didn't include this tiger. Don't you think that, by and lage, most of the people who were responsible for this animal figured everything was fine, and were right?

This is precisely the gun control argument we have in this nation; what measure could be taken to prevent some 'tragedy' as opposed to what about the people involved?

If these kids had been pelting some old bag lady with slingshots and she blew them away, some people would say "We gotta get guns off the streets! What if she'd shot everyone in the park!?" instead of the far more logical 'they got shot because they deserved it."

Let's focus on the bad guys for once; these kids. And let's celebrate that they got what they deserved. And let's all endeavor to be nicer to one another and expect better behavior from one another in light of this incident.
Imagine if we treated one another like we all had a gun.

Or were tigers that just might get out of our cages.

Best post of the year....so far!:buddies:

Dixie
01-02-2008, 06:59 AM
..fine. The cage can be higher. People can get killed in a car accident on the way. Kids can choke on candy apples and we could all die of global warming. The point is what DID happen, not what COULD happen. The story is that the cat got his antagonists, not that he went on some blind rampage.

There is a whole lot of bad things that have happened to people who went to that zoo the last however many years, on a regular basis, that didn't include this tiger. Don't you think that, by and lage, most of the people who were responsible for this animal figured everything was fine, and were right?

This is precisely the gun control argument we have in this nation; what measure could be taken to prevent some 'tragedy' as opposed to what about the people involved?

If these kids had been pelting some old bag lady with slingshots and she blew them away, some people would say "We gotta get guns off the streets! What if she'd shot everyone in the park!?" instead of the far more logical 'they got shot because they deserved it."

Let's focus on the bad guys for once; these kids. And let's celebrate that they got what they deserved. And let's all endeavor to be nicer to one another and expect better behavior from one another in light of this incident.
Imagine if we treated one another like we all had a gun.

Or were tigers that just might get out of our cages.


Point taken but if "let's" implies that I/with the group should rejoice that the kids got what they deserved - I don't know prairie justice? I just don't feel it's worth celebrating not the kids death/injury nor the tiger. I really was just wondering out loud if anyone would feel differently about the height of the fence if their loved one had been a victim that's all. Yes car accidents, choking etc can unexpectedly happen at any time but a tiger attack? Bit unusual in my opinon.

My new year's resolution was to try to see the other guys point of view w/o arguing. So in light of that - Thank you for sharing. Don't agree with some of it but thankfully we're both entitled.

Larry Gude
01-02-2008, 07:21 AM
but a tiger attack? Bit unusual in my opinon.

My new year's resolution was to try to see the other guys point of view w/o arguing. So in light of that - Thank you for sharing. Don't agree with some of it but thankfully we're both entitled.

...which is part of the point. Consider this; I am happier that these kids, allegedly, provoked the tiger and he got out and killed on of them than I would be if the tiger couldn't get out and some judge gave these idiots 30 days community service.

I am happier if some bag lady kills one of them for attacking her rather than their parents going before a judge explaining how their little choir boys watched too much TV and played violent video games and thus need some understanding and forgiveness.

I think we live in a better world today, if only a little bit, if we all know some vicious little punks got killed and/or mauled over what they DID instead of just another ugly incident swept under the rug.

I don't fault you for being concerned for the safety of innocent people. I am just suggesting we lay blame where it belongs. Let us say 'attacked tigers will be attacked tigers so we need smarter teenagers' instead of 'boys will be boys, we need higher fences'.

clevalley
01-02-2008, 07:43 AM
OKAY, that article leaves some wiggle room for interpretation.. here's another article that doesn't.



Tiger wall at zoo below standard height - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/28/tiger_wall_at_zoo_below_standard_height/4479/)

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 28 (UPI) -- The wall around the tiger exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo, where a man was killed by an escaped tiger, was 4 feet lower than national standards.


...but the contradicting quote in this article says;

" The recommendation that tigers be secured with walls at least 16 1/2 feet high is advisory and a spokesman said that the only mandatory standard is that walls be big and strong enough to keep tigers in. "

It is apparent the dry moat 33' across was the deciding factor for the wall to be 12 1/2' above the tigers ground level...

The inspectors who stamped the enclosure as being adequate certified the enclosure.

After reading all the articles, their is NO "standard" for a tiger enclosure. Different combinations of moat length/depths, wall heights, to include or not include electrical fencing, overhangs, etc. is what are taken into consideration.

I am sure they do not just build this enclosure and say "Hey, is this good enough?" No, probably not... engineers and architects design the enclosure on paper and the plans are sent in for approval. Once they are approved then it is built - just like any other structure in the US.

It is plain and simple, you mess with fire you're going to get burned...

High EGT
01-02-2008, 07:54 AM
I call them the Jackass Generation, born in an age of instant video that encourages outragious acts for that 15 seconds of fame. Well they got it but not like they imagined.

AndyMarquisLIVE
01-02-2008, 08:20 AM
I'm already meeting my New Year's Resolutions (http://forums.somd.com/life-southern-maryland/124078-new-years-resolutions.html). :yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

Where did I insult you? :confused:

I said you're a socalist. Are you not a socialist? Are you not liberal?
I'm still waiting, forest. :tap:

Sonsie
01-02-2008, 10:24 AM
Point taken but if "let's" implies that I/with the group should rejoice that the kids got what they deserved - I don't know prairie justice? I just don't feel it's worth celebrating not the kids death/injury nor the tiger. I really was just wondering out loud if anyone would feel differently about the height of the fence if their loved one had been a victim that's all. Yes car accidents, choking etc can unexpectedly happen at any time but a tiger attack? Bit unusual in my opinon.

My new year's resolution was to try to see the other guys point of view w/o arguing. So in light of that - Thank you for sharing. Don't agree with some of it but thankfully we're both entitled.

My thoughts exactly. When you're standing there over your toddler who was mauled to death by a tiger you don't care what was done by whom. Zoos are really a draw for children, the chance of having them killed by a ticked off tiger should be about zero. I don't care how provoked the tiger is, this just proves it could have gotten out at any time. The tormentors got what was coming to them but it could just as easily have been a school field trip group walking up to the enclosure that paid the price.

cattitude
01-02-2008, 10:38 AM
My thoughts exactly. When you're standing there over your toddler who was mauled to death by a tiger you don't care what was done by whom. Zoos are really a draw for children, the chance of having them killed by a ticked off tiger should be about zero. I don't care how provoked the tiger is, this just proves it could have gotten out at any time. The tormentors got what was coming to them but it could just as easily have been a school field trip group walking up to the enclosure that paid the price.

I wonder how one can determine how HIGH is HIGH enough for a pissed-off, taunted animal?

I can hear the zoo/engineering/experts now..."Okay, inspector so-n-so, you know we need to add the azzhole factor into our equation of weight x the leaping/climbing ability of the animal....."

Sonsie
01-02-2008, 10:48 AM
I wonder how one can determine how HIGH is HIGH enough for a pissed-off, taunted animal?

I can hear the zoo/engineering/experts now..."Okay, inspector so-n-so, you know we need to add the azzhole factor into our equation of weight x the leaping/climbing ability of the animal....."

Yeah, and since zoos appear to be here for good nobody wants to go back to the awful sight of the old fashioned cages with bars all over and covering the top. The more naturalistic ones make for a better experience for both the viewer and the captive.

I bet the inevitable lawsuit from this is going to make zoos look long and hard at the problem though.

itsbob
01-02-2008, 10:57 AM
The boys supposedly taunted the tiger and the tiger had the forethought to kill/maim the right kids. What if the tiger went on a rampage and killed the wrong people - who's at fault - who gets sued - the boys who started it - the zoo because the walls were too low?

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The point being that cat DIDN'T kill or attack the wrong people.. it attacked the right ones.. and possibly even ran by others (I'm assuming other people were in the zoo at the time, and were between the cage and where the cat was found mauling the other two)..

Smart cat.. I also heard a rumor that the first person didn't get far from the cage becasue it used that victims leg (it was dangling into the enclosure) as a ladder to get out of the cage.

Larry Gude
01-02-2008, 11:01 AM
but it could just as easily have been a school field trip group walking up to the enclosure that paid the price.

...and they all could have died in a fiery, horrible accident. Hit by a train. Run into by a gas tanker. Piece of the space shuttle hit the bus.

I wonder if anyone has stats on kids killed on field trips last 10 years v. kids on field trips eaten by tigers?

:lmao:

cattitude
01-02-2008, 11:02 AM
I also heard a rumor that the first person didn't get far from the cage becasue it used that victims leg (it was dangling into the enclosure) as a ladder to get out of the cage.

I've heard that speculation as well. THAT would certainly make it easier to get over a fence that has never been breached before.

vegmom
01-02-2008, 11:15 AM
Dangling your leg into a tiger enclosure....wasn't that Chapter 1 of The Final Exit ?

greyhound
01-02-2008, 07:13 PM
Has the story on the slingshot been reported by a reputable news source? I have checked on the internet but all sites quote the NY Post. The The NY Post is a tabloid. Not known for it's accurate stories.

itsbob
01-02-2008, 08:10 PM
Has the story on the slingshot been reported by a reputable news source? I have checked on the internet but all sites quote the NY Post. The The NY Post is a tabloid. Not known for it's accurate stories.

What, EXACTLY, is a tabloid?

greyhound
01-02-2008, 08:14 PM
What, EXACTLY, is a tabloid?

Tabloid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabloid)

cwo_ghwebb
01-03-2008, 06:31 AM
What, EXACTLY, is a tabloid?

NYT, Washington Post, LA Times.

Kyle
01-03-2008, 06:40 AM
NYT, Washington Post, LA Times.

... the Miami Herald, Boston Globe and Chicago Tribune...

Mikeinsmd
01-03-2008, 06:41 AM
I'm still waiting, forest. :tap:
You'll have to wait Andy. He's busy posting as anhoyingBOY. :lmao:


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