Okay, we seem to have a lot of Obama haters on here. Sum it up, why shouldn't Americans vote for Obama?

Give it to me, straight up. Let's talk issues here, not meaningless :bs:.

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Okay, we seem to have a lot of Obama haters on here. Sum it up, why shouldn't Americans vote for Obama?

Give it to me, straight up. Let's talk issues here, not meaningless :bs:.

:popcorn:


Just because I am against Obama for President - doesn't mean I'm a hater. Just because he has a big-mouthed, uncouth wife (with whom I also disagree on issues/substance & attitude) doesn't mean I'm a hater.

I won't vote for him because: He will raise taxes, he has liberal, socialist views on just about everything he stands for. He will appoint liberal, activist judges who will make laws and not interpret laws.

(among other things)

I think electing Barack Obama sends the wrong message to the rest of the world. It essentially says we really don't have it in us to stay in it for the long haul when it comes to the "war on terra".

Because he keeps saying change change change but not how. Change for the sake of change is nothing but wasted energy, time and money.

It reminds me of Kerry's "I have a plan".

So far all I really know about him is that he wants change and he isn't George Bush.

Because he keeps saying change change change but not how. Change for the sake of change is nothing but wasted energy, time and money.

It reminds me of Kerry's "I have a plan".

So far all I really know about him is that he wants change and he isn't George Bush.Thank you!! :notworthy

Okay, we seem to have a lot of Obama haters on here. Sum it up, why shouldn't Americans vote for Obama?

Give it to me, straight up. Let's talk issues here, not meaningless :bs:.

:popcorn:Who he chooses to surround himself with is not meaningless :bs:, it's indicative as to what he believes and how he thinks. If it were one crazy uncle, that's one thing; but when the general rule of thumb is always the same type of thought for the most significant people in his life, that's another.

However, on other things, he's clueless as to what a capitalistic, free, democratic/republican government has as it's core values. He's clearly never read Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution, nor the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution.

A look into his "experience" as state Senator for Illinois, by a news organization generally biased in his favor, showed this (http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=bb77d8cf-e591-4576-b17f-62a83d943a4f). His Senate record on the national scale demonstrated that he can't do much alone - he needs someone else's influence if he wants to get a bill passed. By himself, he can get a bill passed to send money to needy people overseas, and he can get a post office named. And, he only bothers to vote 80% of the time. I know if I only bothered to do 80% of my job, I'd be fired. Were I an IL resident, I'd be researching recall rules.

So, drugs as a youth? Youthful indescretion he learned from, move on.

Personal associations? Very, very low score.

Demonstrated leadership in his longest standing significant career in politics (IL Senate)? Horribly liberal, little leadership and bipartisan acting, against my political beliefs.

Demonstrated leadership in his most significant job (Senate)? As soon as he shows some, we can grade him on it :lol: The few times he bothered to vote, it was a strongly socialist line of voting.

Other than athletic good looks and an incredible ability for speechgiving, I'm interested to see why anyone would vote FOR him.

The reason I keep hearing is that he'll be assassinated for being the first black President and that is the last thing this country needs right now.

While I agree that this is the last thing this country needs right now, I wouldn't vote against him for something that hasn't happened.

I personally wouldn't vote for Obama because of his lack of experience. I can't see one man creating this wave of change without the help of Congress (good luck with that) and the Supreme Court. I'm also a fiscal conservative, so his tax system that he'll be sure to implement wouldn't be in my favor. Although he differs from Clinton's Socialist health care system, its not by much.

I also believe that if Obama is elected that it will be at least eight years with a Democrat in office. The Republican party needs a massive overhaul in their overall appearance. This will assuredly take more than one election cycle. Plus, when this supposed recession ends Obama will garner all the benefits of being our economic savior. He'll be the new FDR bringing us out from the dark, the new big boom Bill Clinton. He may not have anything to do with us getting out of the recession but when he gets elected (not if), he'll assuredly take all the credit. Thus, more Republican downfall.

Other than that, he looks like me. There can only be one Buddy Lee.:yay:

So far all I really know about him is that he wants change and he isn't George Bush.
He's a smart politician, you've got to hand him that.

That's all you really need to say or be to win this election. Why risk more?

Because he keeps saying change change change but not how. Change for the sake of change is nothing but wasted energy, time and money.

It reminds me of Kerry's "I have a plan".

So far all I really know about him is that he wants change and he isn't George Bush.

I'm voting for him because he wants change and he isn't George Bush.

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I'm voting for him because he wants change and he isn't George Bush.


He wants change for what? He will change what? What kind of change? Do you know?

Hillary and McCain aren't George Bush either - why not them?

He's a smart politician, you've got to hand him that.

That's all you really need to say or be to win this election. Why risk more?

It didnt work for Kerry who was actually running against Bush. The only person that strategy seemed to work for was Martin o'Malley.

It didnt work for Kerry who was actually running against Bush. The only person that strategy seemed to work for was Martin o'Malley.


You ain't kidding. Some campaigns still make oblique references to Newt, and he ain't even there anymore.

For too many years, Democrats don't have solutions, only persons to blame.

I think I'm leaning towards the Stinkertoes ticket. Who's the VP there?

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I'm voting for him because he wants change and he isn't George Bush.

This is one of the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted!! :killingme

I was talking about this very thing yesterday afternoon and I said "These dumbasses will vote for him but they can't even tell you where he stands or what changes he'll make."

I don't blame these dummys for not knowing because how can they know what has never been said? I do blame these dummys for strapping on their collar and leash and following along behind their handler.

Please Dixie, post me an in depth list of "change" that BHO has outlined for us if he wins. I'll wait. :tap:

It didnt work for Kerry who was actually running against Bush. The only person that strategy seemed to work for was Martin o'Malley.

You gotta be frustrated if you're the Democratic party - this is the first time in years they've been able to run a candidate that anyone really gets excited over.

I mean, the way I've described it to people from other countries who wonder how Bush got elected twice is this: You're running for homecoming queen. The kids decide to also nominate a steaming pile of dog poop. IT wins. Ok, it was a narrow call, and you're not sure it really did win, but c'mon. A pile of dog poop? Shouldn't have been CLOSE. Next year, you run again, and so does the dog pile. It wins AGAIN, by a bigger margin.

So you do what the liberals do - blame it on stupid voters. Rednecks, morons, you name it. They just don't realize that the dog poop is NOT the best choice. They just aren't listening. They don't understand.

Ummm. Yes they do. They're talking to you, it's you that ain't listening. When the votes vote in a pile of dog poop over you, they are talking to you. *YOU* don't understand.

EVERY candidate runs on change.

From "a chicken in every pot" to "why not the best?" to "tax cut for the middle-class" to "we can do better" - they always run on the condition that they are going to change things.

*WHY* this resonates with voters can only make sense to me if it rests on one thing - the people most excited over this are people not accustomed to VOTING.

What does surprise me is that he hasn't called his agenda a "New ...." something, because they all do that.

Let's see now: The other day he said he would rid us of SUV's, we are eating too much,and we will have to get our thermostats off 72 degree's.

That's a little more government than I want.

Add to that the fact that he and his wife stand firmly behind partial birth abortion, that he will appoint liberal judges, that he will destroy whats left of the military and stop developing new weapons, That he will disarm us of our nuclear deterrent.The he Naively believes all we need to insure world peace is to speak to despots. He also believes that he can clean up American air by sending all of the jobs to other countries,and he welcomes illegal immigrants. He will ruin our economy by insisting on Kyoto like changes , and by raising taxes. If his National Health Care doesnt ruin us these other things will.

He promises us high taxes,economic ruin,a massive exodus of businesses out of the country,baby-killing,, but he delivers good speeches.

This guy doesnt belong in the White House and anyone who votes for him belongs in the NUT House.

I see a consistent thought here... and that is change. What is change? What does Obama mean by change? What exactly will he change? I won't vote for him because I don't know what he means by change!

As I've said often enough on here, I've been following all the candidates since before Iowa to see what they are saying. IRT Obama's change, this first became a point in his stump speeches before Iowa and was meant to reflect a change away from the politics that everyone seems to hate. He would get up in front of a crowd, and people would ask him about divisive politics and why nothing ever gets done in D.C. He said he would change that (a common enough pledge from a politician) and work with Republicans, Independents, and anyone else who could help him get the job done.

At the same time, Hillary was running her campaign against George Bush and the Republicans, and trying to run on the past eight years and not the next eight years, and there was a lot of talk about that at Obama rallies. Basically a lot of folks in Iowa were tired of hearing someone rant about Republicans and just making things harder to get done, and they wanted a change from the usual politics, and Obama responded to that sentiment and merged it into his campaign. After Iowa and NH, he started talking more about changing Bush's policies on the war, taxes, and healthcare.

So, can he change the way Washington works? I'm guessing no way. Clinton pledged to do that too, and as soon as he got to DC he got corraled by the Democrat powerbrokers in Congress and got an education on how things really work. Can he change the war? No. Can he change taxes? Absolutely - capital gains will go up to about 29%. Can he change healthcare? I give him 50/50 at best on that.

Let's see now: The other day he said he would rid us of SUV's, we are eating too much,and we will have to get our thermostats off 72 degree's.

Actually it was more like, if we refrain from all these, the rest of the world will LIKE us more and will follow BY EXAMPLE.

It must be noted he was speaking to a group of environmentalists at the time who seem to be of the opinion that everyone deep down is an environmentalist, including the developing nation of China, who surely will love us if we give up our SUV's, buy more of their stuff and will in turn adopt a green agenda, conserve energy and become environment-friendly.

Who he chooses to surround himself with is not meaningless :bs:, it's indicative as to what he believes and how he thinks. If it were one crazy uncle, that's one thing; but when the general rule of thumb is always the same type of thought for the most significant people in his life, that's another.
:lol: Jimmy Carter couldn't choose his brother, but BHO chose Rev. Wright.

The reason I keep hearing is that he'll be assassinated for being the first black President and that is the last thing this country needs right now.
That would soooooo happen if Hillary got the VP job :lol:

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I'm voting for him because he wants change and he isn't George Bush.
He won't be running. The super delegates will hand the nomination to Hillary.

So, can he change the way Washington works? I'm guessing no way.

I'm not sure, as Inigo Montoya said in The Princess Bride, that that word means what we think it means.

One of the reasons I don't believe in his unifying rhetoric is his response to the appeaser news item. He assailed it as being the kind of dividing thing that characterizes Washington.

No. Race-baiting. Class warfare. Murmurs of "right-wing conspiracy" and name-calling (my favorite: "extra-chromosome right-wing"). THAT divides Washington.

DISAGREEMENT - which is how I clearly see vocally declaring that appeasing despots is a foolish delusion - is the bread and butter of democracy.

He is not for unity - he's preaching to the choir that he is going to convince the other side he's right. It's not compromise, it's surrender he wants. Reminds me of Andrew Shepherd in "The American President" when he says :

Andrew Shepherd: You cannot address crime prevention without getting rid of assault weapons and handguns. I consider them a threat to national security, and I will go door to door if I have to, but I'm gonna convince Americans that I'm right, and I'm gonna get the guns.

THAT'S it right there. Unity comes when YOU agree with me. Nothing Obama has done convinced me that he is ever interested in making peace with the other side of the aisle. Far from it.

He's not for "change" unless that change means your run of the mill typical liberal agenda. Everything else is exactly the same. Meet the new boss.

He wants change for what? He will change what? What kind of change? Do you know? Exactly. He keeps yelling change, but I have yet to hear any kind of a plan from him on how he's going to implement this change and what the hell the change is??? Also, he runs the opposite on the issues. He's pro abortion, I'm not. He's anti-gun, I'm pro gun. He's anti-death penalty, I'm all for it and don't think we use it enough or soon enough. And he's just too dayum liberal and too many more to list.

I'm not sure, as Inigo Montoya said in The Princess Bride, that that word means what we think it means.

One of the reasons I don't believe in his unifying rhetoric is his response to the appeaser news item. He assailed it as being the kind of dividing thing that characterizes Washington.

No. Race-baiting. Class warfare. Murmurs of "right-wing conspiracy" and name-calling (my favorite: "extra-chromosome right-wing"). THAT divides Washington.

DISAGREEMENT - which is how I clearly see vocally declaring that appeasing despots is a foolish delusion - is the bread and butter of democracy.

He is not for unity - he's preaching to the choir that he is going to convince the other side he's right. It's not compromise, it's surrender he wants. Reminds me of Andrew Shepherd in "The American President" when he says :

Andrew Shepherd: You cannot address crime prevention without getting rid of assault weapons and handguns. I consider them a threat to national security, and I will go door to door if I have to, but I'm gonna convince Americans that I'm right, and I'm gonna get the guns.

THAT'S it right there. Unity comes when YOU agree with me. Nothing Obama has done convinced me that he is ever interested in making peace with the other side of the aisle. Far from it.

He's not for "change" unless that change means your run of the mill typical liberal agenda. Everything else is exactly the same. Meet the new boss.
Annette Benning was hot in that movie.

Annette Benning was hot in that movie.
Annette Benning is hot in any movie. She even looked good in "Open Range."

Let's talk issues here, not meaningless :bs:.





1. He is naive about foreign relations. His own best selling point is his trip to Pakistan while in college. That may help understand the people, but it does nothing for his ability to deal with governments.

2. Iran. He has likened his position to JFK and the 1961 Vienna talks. Those talks let Khrushchev know that JFK was a weak leader and led to the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Berlin wall. Do we really need someone who will repeat those mistakes?

3. Iraq. His only plan that I have heard is pulling out. That would leave a weak government that doesn't have the ability to defend itself. It is naive to think we will be able to just pull out.

4. His handling of Wright shows a lack of character. He eventually did the right thing, but not because of Wright's words or a desire to do the right thing. He stuck by Wright until the press made it a big deal. Then he threw Wright under the bus. That's appeasement, not character. I have to wonder how many of his decisions as President would be based on opinion polls and his ability to win a second term.

5. Taxes. He'll dump the Bush tax cuts because they are the Bush tax cuts, not because they are bad. Then he'll give tax relief to the middle class. His theory seems to be that tax cuts are good only if they are his tax cuts. His "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans, giving them a free ride.

6. Health Care. He will give health insurance to 45 Million people, modernize the health care system, increase biomedical research, and fight AIDS. These all seem like noble goals, but he has no plan to pay for it. This goes back to the taxes issue above.

7. Earmarks. He'll return earmarks to 2001 levels rather than eliminating them. If they are bad, get rid of them. If they are good, keep them. Reducing them is a chicken sh*t way of addressing them.

8. Government contracts. He wants all contracts over $25K to be competitively bid. This will drive increased bureaucracy, delay programs, and increase costs. What good does it do to save $10K on a contract if that savings cost us $20K?

9. Hate Crimes. He wants to expand hate crimes protection. I oppose that.

10. End Racial Profiling. Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice. This ignores the fact that 9/11 was perpetrated by persons that fit a certain profile that includes their race. Ignoring race will weaken our ability to fight crime and will damage our national security.

11. NAFTA. "Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA." As usual, he has no substance. What will he fix? We just have to trust him and wait to find out.

12. Barack Obama believes we need to double federal funding for basic research, increase funding for federal workforce training programs, and invest in rural small businesses. How does he pay for this? We'll just have to trust him and wait to find out.

13. Minimum wage. He wants to raise the minimum wage and increase the EIC. The increased minimum wage will cosst jobs, and the increased EIC is just a way to pander for votes.

14. Mortgage credit. He wants to give a mortgage tax credit to people who do not itemize. WTF? If they can't itemize why do they need a credit?

15 FMLA. Obama will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. He will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence. These policies will cost employers $$$, which will cost jobs. It will hit small businesses the hardest.

16.After school programs. Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs. How will he pay for it?

1. He is naive about foreign relations. His own best selling point is his trip to Pakistan while in college. That may help understand the people, but it does nothing for his ability to deal with governments.

2. Iran. He has likened his position to JFK and the 1961 Vienna talks. Those talks let Khrushchev know that JFK was a weak leader and led to the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Berlin wall. Do we really need someone who will repeat those mistakes?

3. Iraq. His only plan that I have heard is pulling out. That would leave a weak government that doesn't have the ability to defend itself. It is naive to think we will be able to just pull out.

4. His handling of Wright shows a lack of character. He eventually did the right thing, but not because of Wright's words or a desire to do the right thing. He stuck by Wright until the press made it a big deal. Then he threw Wright under the bus. That's appeasement, not character. I have to wonder how many of his decisions as President would be based on opinion polls and his ability to win a second term.

5. Taxes. He'll dump the Bush tax cuts because they are the Bush tax cuts, not because they are bad. Then he'll give tax relief to the middle class. His theory seems to be that tax cuts are good only if they are his tax cuts. His "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans, giving them a free ride.

6. Health Care. He will give health insurance to 45 Million people, modernize the health care system, increase biomedical research, and fight AIDS. These all seem like noble goals, but he has no plan to pay for it. This goes back to the taxes issue above.

7. Earmarks. He'll return earmarks to 2001 levels rather than eliminating them. If they are bad, get rid of them. If they are good, keep them. Reducing them is a chicken sh*t way of addressing them.

8. Government contracts. He wants all contracts over $25K to be competitively bid. This will drive increased bureaucracy, delay programs, and increase costs. What good does it do to save $10K on a contract if that savings cost us $20K?

9. Hate Crimes. He wants to expand hate crimes protection. I oppose that.

10. End Racial Profiling. Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice. This ignores the fact that 9/11 was perpetrated by persons that fit a certain profile that includes their race. Ignoring race will weaken our ability to fight crime and will damage our national security.

11. NAFTA. "Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA." As usual, he has no substance. What will he fix? We just have to trust him and wait to find out.

12. Barack Obama believes we need to double federal funding for basic research, increase funding for federal workforce training programs, and invest in rural small businesses. How does he pay for this? We'll just have to trust him and wait to find out.

13. Minimum wage. He wants to raise the minimum wage and increase the EIC. The increased minimum wage will cosst jobs, and the increased EIC is just a way to pander for votes.

14. Mortgage credit. He wants to give a mortgage tax credit to people who do not itemize. WTF? If they can't itemize why do they need a credit?

15 FMLA. Obama will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. He will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence. These policies will cost employers $$$, which will cost jobs. It will hit small businesses the hardest.

16.After school programs. Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs. How will he pay for it?
And this is the first post I have seen on this forum that talks about Obama's positions on the issues. :shrug:

Everything else is either about Rev. Wright or about not knowing what he means by change. :shrug:

He wants change for what? He will change what? What kind of change? Do you know?

Hillary and McCain aren't George Bush either - why not them?

Change from the Republicans to the Democrats:lmao: which is fine with me.

Hillary won't be running and IMO McCain is Bush

This is one of the stupidest thing I've ever seen posted!! :killingme

I was talking about this very thing yesterday afternoon and I said "These dumbasses will vote for him but they can't even tell you where he stands or what changes he'll make."

I don't blame these dummys for not knowing because how can they know what has never been said? I do blame these dummys for strapping on their collar and leash and following along behind their handler.

Please Dixie, post me an in depth list of "change" that BHO has outlined for us if he wins. I'll wait. :tap:


Don't have to, don't even need a reason, I'm voting for him because he's not McCain plus I happen to like the fact that he prefers to try diplomacy first just one thing off the top of my head that I immediately liked. What do you mean by handlers? Voting the party? I'm an Independant. So why do you like McCain?

I see a consistent thought here... and that is change. What is change? What does Obama mean by change? What exactly will he change? I won't vote for him because I don't know what he means by change!Then you didn't read my post on the first page.

1. He is naive about foreign relations. His own best selling point is his trip to Pakistan while in college. That may help understand the people, but it does nothing for his ability to deal with governments.

2. Iran. He has likened his position to JFK and the 1961 Vienna talks. Those talks let Khrushchev know that JFK was a weak leader and led to the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Berlin wall. Do we really need someone who will repeat those mistakes?

3. Iraq. His only plan that I have heard is pulling out. That would leave a weak government that doesn't have the ability to defend itself. It is naive to think we will be able to just pull out.

4. His handling of Wright shows a lack of character. He eventually did the right thing, but not because of Wright's words or a desire to do the right thing. He stuck by Wright until the press made it a big deal. Then he threw Wright under the bus. That's appeasement, not character. I have to wonder how many of his decisions as President would be based on opinion polls and his ability to win a second term.

5. Taxes. He'll dump the Bush tax cuts because they are the Bush tax cuts, not because they are bad. Then he'll give tax relief to the middle class. His theory seems to be that tax cuts are good only if they are his tax cuts. His "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans, giving them a free ride.

6. Health Care. He will give health insurance to 45 Million people, modernize the health care system, increase biomedical research, and fight AIDS. These all seem like noble goals, but he has no plan to pay for it. This goes back to the taxes issue above.

7. Earmarks. He'll return earmarks to 2001 levels rather than eliminating them. If they are bad, get rid of them. If they are good, keep them. Reducing them is a chicken sh*t way of addressing them.

8. Government contracts. He wants all contracts over $25K to be competitively bid. This will drive increased bureaucracy, delay programs, and increase costs. What good does it do to save $10K on a contract if that savings cost us $20K?

9. Hate Crimes. He wants to expand hate crimes protection. I oppose that.

10. End Racial Profiling. Obama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice. This ignores the fact that 9/11 was perpetrated by persons that fit a certain profile that includes their race. Ignoring race will weaken our ability to fight crime and will damage our national security.

11. NAFTA. "Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA." As usual, he has no substance. What will he fix? We just have to trust him and wait to find out.

12. Barack Obama believes we need to double federal funding for basic research, increase funding for federal workforce training programs, and invest in rural small businesses. How does he pay for this? We'll just have to trust him and wait to find out.

13. Minimum wage. He wants to raise the minimum wage and increase the EIC. The increased minimum wage will cosst jobs, and the increased EIC is just a way to pander for votes.

14. Mortgage credit. He wants to give a mortgage tax credit to people who do not itemize. WTF? If they can't itemize why do they need a credit?

15 FMLA. Obama will expand it to cover businesses with 25 or more employees. He will expand the FMLA to cover more purposes as well, including allowing workers to take leave for elder care needs; allowing parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to participate in their children's academic activities; and expanding FMLA to cover leave for employees to address domestic violence. These policies will cost employers $$$, which will cost jobs. It will hit small businesses the hardest.

16.After school programs. Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs. How will he pay for it?Well done.

I would add that most of the things above he wants to do are not covered by the Constitution where it spells out the powers of the federal government. But, a hell of a lot of what we're already doing doesn't meet that criteria, either.

Well done.

I would add that most of the things above he wants to do are not covered by the Constitution where it spells out the powers of the federal government. But, a hell of a lot of what we're already doing doesn't meet that criteria, either.

That was only half of my list. I got tired of doing Andy's research for him.

That was only half of my list. I got tired of doing Andy's research for him.

:lmao:

That was only half of my list. I got tired of doing Andy's research for him.
:banghead:

I've done my own research. For the 19,000th time I am not voting for either Barack Obama or John McCain. :banghead:

I just wanted to see someone give a reason, based on policy, for not liking Obama.

I'd also like to know why people do like Obama for that matter.

"He's not Bush" or "he's not Republican" doesn't count either.

For the 19,000th time I am not voting for either Barack Obama or John McCain. :banghead:I thought you were "undecided". How can you be undecided and also know who you're NOT voting for?

I thought you were "undecided". How can you be undecided and also know who you're NOT voting for?
Because I don't like socialism. :shrug:

The question I will be asking through the debates is, "Is John McCain the right guy?" :shrug:

I never rule out the write-in option. :yay:

Reasons not to vote for Obama - no experience, no legislative achievements, isn't even doing the job he currently has (low voting record), not in touch with reality on either the economy or domestic policy, has no plan, lives via catchphrases and speechmaking, liberal tendencies make Hillary look conservative, etc

I've been unhappy with the presidential offerings pretty much since the beginning, way before it got pared down to the three still out there. I'm thinking I'll have to choose based on the vice president on the ticket and hope the pres becomes unable to serve.

The question I will be asking through the debates is, "Is John McCain the right guy?" :confused:For the 19,000th time I am not voting for ... John McCain. :banghead:If you know you're not voting for McCain, why will you be asking "Is he the right guy?"

:confused:If you know you're not voting for McCain, why will you be asking "Is he the right guy?"
Let me correct it, at this point of time I'm not voting for either. :duh:

I'm writing in at this point, but it's still a long campaign. It's just too bad this isn't going to be a campaign about issues and it's all gonna be about Barack Obama's pastor or John Mccain not making admiral.

Let me correct it, at this point of time I'm not voting for either. :duh:Okay, so you really meant what you said in the first place - that you're undecided - not that you wouldn't vote for either of these men. It's okay.I'm writing in at this point, but it's still a long campaign. It's just too bad this isn't going to be a campaign about issues and it's all gonna be about Barack Obama's pastor or John Mccain not making admiral.Well, character is an issue. One issue of many. If Barry had but one significant person in his life that were like Wright, I would agree that it's a minor point of concern. It's the shere volume of people and their vitriolic hatred that makes it an issue. But again, just one issue of many.

If John McCain had little or no leadership outside of the Navy, little other record to go on, his ability to make rank would probably be an issue. Given the volumes of information we have on his record (the good and the bad), whether he made admiral in a time of military drawdown is really insignificant, IMO. Just like if Wright were the only kook associated with Barry, it would be insignificant.

The problem with the Democrat primary is, there is no issue of significant difference between them, just detail (that presidents don't get to work out anyway). The only things they've got are race, gender, and character as issues, since they both have demonstrated similar stances on the issues that face Americans. So, the prime media attention being the only race out there, they cling to something to talk about. I think there's been a concerted effort on much of the media to subliminally make the presidential race be between Hillary and Barry, not between whoever wins that race and John.

Now that many people have given their views on this subject, and you've done the research you've done, what do you feel Barry's pros and cons are?

He wants change for what? He will change what? What kind of change? Do you know?

Hillary and McCain aren't George Bush either - why not them?

...is a SNL skit, year ago, about 'change'. I can't find it. I wish I could.

Change from the Republicans to the Democrats:lmao: which is fine with me.

Hillary won't be running and IMO McCain is Bush


Well, good for you.


:rolleyes:

:banghead:

I've done my own research. For the 19,000th time I am not voting for either Barack Obama or John McCain. :banghead:

I just wanted to see someone give a reason, based on policy, for not liking Obama.



:biteme: Just because I don't post a chapter or narrative of my reasons does NOT mean I haven't done the research on his issues. And also - just because you don't think a person's character or the company they keep is worthy of your consideration, doesn't mean that it's not important.

I never rule out the write-in option. :yay:

So you've used the write-in option a lot of times, huh?

Okay, so you really meant what you said in the first place - that you're undecided - not that you wouldn't vote for either of these men. It's okay.Well, character is an issue. One issue of many. If Barry had but one significant person in his life that were like Wright, I would agree that it's a minor point of concern. It's the shere volume of people and their vitriolic hatred that makes it an issue. But again, just one issue of many.

If John McCain had little or no leadership outside of the Navy, little other record to go on, his ability to make rank would probably be an issue. Given the volumes of information we have on his record (the good and the bad), whether he made admiral in a time of military drawdown is really insignificant, IMO. Just like if Wright were the only kook associated with Barry, it would be insignificant.

The problem with the Democrat primary is, there is no issue of significant difference between them, just detail (that presidents don't get to work out anyway). The only things they've got are race, gender, and character as issues, since they both have demonstrated similar stances on the issues that face Americans. So, the prime media attention being the only race out there, they cling to something to talk about. I think there's been a concerted effort on much of the media to subliminally make the presidential race be between Hillary and Barry, not between whoever wins that race and John.

Now that many people have given their views on this subject, and you've done the research you've done, what do you feel Barry's pros and cons are?


:yay: Good post!

It didnt work for Kerry who was actually running against Bush. The only person that strategy seemed to work for was Martin o'Malley.True but Kerry didn't have any personality. He was a wind-surfing Bostonian that looked like a Wizard of Oz tree. He was often called the 'lesser of two evils'.

It will work for the right people.

BHO has no grasp of economics, the military, and foreign policy. He has no character and to me comes across as an egocentric elitist.

True but Kerry didn't have any personality. He was a wind-surfing Bostonian that looked like a Wizard of Oz tree. He was often called the 'lesser of two evils'.

It will work for the right people.

The right person doesn't need to run on that platform.

And as far as the people saying "...ive done the research" you shouldn't have to. If the canidate is so obtuse that you have to research them then you really should be looking elsewhere. It is a canidates job to either hide what they have done and what their beliefs are with a bunch of meaningless rhetoric or to showcase what they have done and what their beliefs are.

Because he keeps saying change change change but not how. Change for the sake of change is nothing but wasted energy, time and money.

It reminds me of Kerry's "I have a plan".

So far all I really know about him is that he wants change and he isn't George Bush.Well, that's enough right there.

I would like to see Obama talk more details but he has put everything out for al the read.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/)

BHO has no grasp of economics, the military, and foreign policy. He has no character and to me comes across as an egocentric elitist.

But he looks good. Young, energetic, handsome. You stand him next to John McCain and there's no contest.

I'm not convinced many people really care about issues anyway. I look at blacks and gays who support the Democrats almost exclusively, yet what have they gotten back out of this deal? Nothing, that I'm aware of. They just listen to the rhetoric and forget the Bulworth factor.

I would like to see Obama talk more details but he has put everything out for al the read.

He's smart to speak in bromides and not get into specific issues. If you look at his audience, they eat up the vague talk of change and hope, but I definitely get the impression they'd start falling asleep or chatting amongst themselves if Obama said anything more about foreign policy than "I'll bring the troops home."

He doesn't talk about it because he knows his audience wants Twinkies, not broccoli.

I'm not convinced many people really care about issues anyway. I look at blacks and gays who support the Democrats almost exclusively, yet what have they gotten back out of this deal? Nothing, that I'm aware of. They just listen to the rhetoric and forget the Bulworth factor.

They get activist judges and pandering politicians who craft legislation that does not follow the constitution. (You know that "living document".)

Well, that's enough right there.

I would like to see Obama talk more details but he has put everything out for al the read.

Barack Obama | Change We Can Believe In | Issues (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/)

Question is, have you read it, and what is one thing he will do?

Question is, have you read it, and what is one thing he will do?I have read some, not all of what's up there. I like that he wants to get back to PAYGO which means all propsoals for new spending or tax changes have to identify how they would be paid for. We've got to stop this rate of borrowing. I also like the idea of having the access to the FEHBP made available to us. If it's good enough for Congress, it's good enough for the citizens.

The right person doesn't need to run on that platform.


No, not necessarily. However, its the smart thing to do. Why leave yourself to the wolves and disclose everything when you can merely win with nothing?

I also like the idea of having the access to the FEHBP made available to us. If it's good enough for Congress, it's good enough for the citizens.

You do understand that unless the government subsidizes a portion of it like they do for its employees its something like $450 a month for a single person don't you?

If you can afford this chances are that you don't need the government helping you out with health insurance cause you already got a good job.

You do understand that unless the government subsidizes a portion of it like they do for its employees its something like $450 a month for a single person don't you?

If you can afford this chances are that you don't need the government helping you out with health insurance cause you already got a good job.I understand how the systems works completely. The money is already out there. It not just about access to insurance. It also, about more choices.

I understand how the systems works completely. The money is already out there. It not just about access to insurance. It also, about more choices.

I doubt many people do. If Obama would tell people what it will cost them for individual and family plans I bet he would get pelted with critizisms from every side.

Like I said if someone can pay $500 a month for insurance chances are that they don't need the Obama's plan.

You do understand that unless the government subsidizes a portion of it like they do for its employees its something like $450 a month for a single person don't you?

If you can afford this chances are that you don't need the government helping you out with health insurance cause you already got a good job.

Personally I've never seen the logic behind "I'm going to take a few hundred dollars out of your pocket and then give you something for *free*".