View Full Version : Got Bit By a Copperhead A couple days ago...
shiki
07-10-2008, 05:23 PM
got out of hospital today. Any info on what to expect or look out for? I was given ante venom which I was highly sensitive to, blood thinners, painkillers, steroids, antihistamines etc. Any thing to be concerned about?
got out of hospital today. Any info on what to expect or look out for? I was given ante venom which I was highly sensitive to, blood thinners, painkillers, steroids, antihistamines etc. Any thing to be concerned about?
No advice but, wow. Glad you are ok.
godsbutterfly
07-10-2008, 05:36 PM
got out of hospital today. Any info on what to expect or look out for? I was given ante venom which I was highly sensitive to, blood thinners, painkillers, steroids, antihistamines etc. Any thing to be concerned about?
Good Lord! Hope you are doing alright - I'm sorry to hear that!
morningbell
07-10-2008, 05:40 PM
got out of hospital today. Any info on what to expect or look out for? I was given ante venom which I was highly sensitive to, blood thinners, painkillers, steroids, antihistamines etc. Any thing to be concerned about?
Holy crap! What was it like? What were you doing? You weren't trying to pet it were you? :lmao:
Steroids suck. I was given them for my back pain in the beginging of the year, I had never felt so low in my life, laid in bed most days, cried a lot.
Hope you're feeling 100% soon!
amotley
07-10-2008, 05:52 PM
take care of yourself
copperhead bites are nasty, but not at all fatal. (maybe for the elderly or small children)
the worst thing is the possibility of some local (to the bite) tissue destruction, other than that, swelling, muscle pain and a headache are what can be expected.
most the time they dont give anti venom unless you were bitten by more than one snake at a time. lethal dose is around 100 mg and the average snake will produce only 60 to 70mg
let us know how this works out for you.
shiki
07-10-2008, 10:13 PM
Holy crap! What was it like? What were you doing? You weren't trying to pet it were you? :lmao:
Steroids suck. I was given them for my back pain in the beginging of the year, I had never felt so low in my life, laid in bed most days, cried a lot.
Hope you're feeling 100% soon!
Let's just say it required massive amounts of stupidity to pull off. My friend Jenn brought it in a plastic icecream tub and said it had bitten her and it hurt like hell and could I tell whether it was a copperhead. So I grabbed the ice cream tub and opened it and said yep looks like copperhead.
It was dinky and absolutely adorable. Then Olive, my Jack Russell started barking and trying to get at the snake so I pushed her away and the snake struck me hard as I went to put the lid on.
It was pretty stunning and began to burn immediately. Called the ambulance and asked them to come pick me up told them what happened. Jenn went back over to her mother's house with the snake.
Jenny was hiding out cuz she didn't want to go to the hospital but I told on her and the paramedics scooped her up and off to the hospital we went. Its a long story but it involves lots of pain, needles, shots, hives, ridicule, and lots of drugs, all provided in a hospital setting.
One thing that makes you nervous is that the doctors are looking up sh1t on google to formulate a treatment plan.
It was pretty wicked.
belvak
07-11-2008, 09:03 AM
Wow! Glad you're okay. We had one about 2 feet long in our backyard a week or so ago. Hubby scooped it up in a trash can and dumped it in the woods. I was told once that the babies were the worst to get bitten by because they didn't know how to control the amount of venom they injected. Don't know if there's any truth to that or not though.
SoMDGirl42
07-11-2008, 09:08 AM
got out of hospital today. Any info on what to expect or look out for? I was given ante venom which I was highly sensitive to, blood thinners, painkillers, steroids, antihistamines etc. Any thing to be concerned about?
It's always been my experience that the hospital would give you detailed discharge instructions to follow including what signs to look out for and what to be concerned about. Might be better off following those orders then requesting input from a bunch of strangers. Your last request for advice didn't turn out so well.
BTW, glad you're ok. Hope you feel better soon.
my-thyme
07-11-2008, 09:25 AM
Wow! Glad you're okay. We had one about 2 feet long in our backyard a week or so ago. Hubby scooped it up in a trash can and dumped it in the woods. I was told once that the babies were the worst to get bitten by because they didn't know how to control the amount of venom they injected. Don't know if there's any truth to that or not though.
We KILL copperheads...scoop and dump black snakes in the woods...
belvak
07-11-2008, 09:52 AM
We KILL copperheads...scoop and dump black snakes in the woods...
He doesn't kill any snakes. He works around them all the time, so he has gotten used to them and says they all serve a purpose. As long as they don't come into my house, they can live.
shiki
07-11-2008, 10:45 AM
It's always been my experience that the hospital would give you detailed discharge instructions to follow including what signs to look out for and what to be concerned about. Might be better off following those orders then requesting input from a bunch of strangers. Your last request for advice didn't turn out so well.
BTW, glad you're ok. Hope you feel better soon.
you would think that. They gave me no instructions whatsoever except I'm off work for 3 days.
In fact my friend who was bit first was discharged yesterday after first being told her finger was going necrotic and she would likely have to have it amputated, then that she was just fine, ciao. Walked her down the block a bit and bid her adieu.
This morning however they called her back frantic saying she was supposed to have been admitted but the let her go by mistake and that it was imperative that she come back in.
So yeah. Like I said, if your docs are getting their treatment plan on google, that is prolly a BAD sign.
GWguy
07-11-2008, 10:58 AM
you would think that. They gave me no instructions whatsoever except I'm off work for 3 days.
In fact my friend who was bit first was discharged yesterday after first being told her finger was going necrotic and she would likely have to have it amputated, then that she was just fine, ciao. Walked her down the block a bit and bid her adieu.
This morning however they called her back frantic saying she was supposed to have been admitted but the let her go by mistake and that it was imperative that she come back in.
So yeah. Like I said, if your docs are getting their treatment plan on google, that is prolly a BAD sign.
Which hospital was this?
Let's just say it required massive amounts of stupidity to pull off. My friend Jenn brought it in a plastic icecream tub and said it had bitten her and it hurt like hell and could I tell whether it was a copperhead. So I grabbed the ice cream tub and opened it and said yep looks like copperhead.
It was dinky and absolutely adorable. Then Olive, my Jack Russell started barking and trying to get at the snake so I pushed her away and the snake struck me hard as I went to put the lid on.
It was pretty stunning and began to burn immediately. Called the ambulance and asked them to come pick me up told them what happened. Jenn went back over to her mother's house with the snake.
Jenny was hiding out cuz she didn't want to go to the hospital but I told on her and the paramedics scooped her up and off to the hospital we went. Its a long story but it involves lots of pain, needles, shots, hives, ridicule, and lots of drugs, all provided in a hospital setting.
One thing that makes you nervous is that the doctors are looking up sh1t on google to formulate a treatment plan.
It was pretty wicked.
you would think that. They gave me no instructions whatsoever except I'm off work for 3 days.
In fact my friend who was bit first was discharged yesterday after first being told her finger was going necrotic and she would likely have to have it amputated, then that she was just fine, ciao. Walked her down the block a bit and bid her adieu.
This morning however they called her back frantic saying she was supposed to have been admitted but the let her go by mistake and that it was imperative that she come back in.
So yeah. Like I said, if your docs are getting their treatment plan on google, that is prolly a BAD sign.
I am glad you are ok and you might want to get to your GP.
On a side note, I love how you tell a story :roflmao:
HeavyChevy75
07-11-2008, 02:32 PM
Wow...
Kind of scarey they had to look it up on Google. I would have been...excuse...can I go to DC or another hospital please...
I would also kill the copperhead after I screamed like a little girl.
Cowgirl
07-11-2008, 02:40 PM
It's always been my experience that the hospital would give you detailed discharge instructions to follow including what signs to look out for and what to be concerned about. Might be better off following those orders then requesting input from a bunch of strangers. Your last request for advice didn't turn out so well.
BTW, glad you're ok. Hope you feel better soon.
:yeahthat: If a doctor doesn't give you the info, you need to make sure to ask him/her.
otter
07-11-2008, 02:41 PM
On a side note, I love how you tell a story :roflmao:
:yeahthat:
You sure you aren't Geek's MPD?
morningbell
07-11-2008, 03:32 PM
you would think that. They gave me no instructions whatsoever except I'm off work for 3 days.
In fact my friend who was bit first was discharged yesterday after first being told her finger was going necrotic and she would likely have to have it amputated, then that she was just fine, ciao. Walked her down the block a bit and bid her adieu.
This morning however they called her back frantic saying she was supposed to have been admitted but the let her go by mistake and that it was imperative that she come back in.
So yeah. Like I said, if your docs are getting their treatment plan on google, that is prolly a BAD sign.
:jameo: :jameo: :jameo:
I can't believe your friend tried to hide from the ambulance :lmao:
Its scary that the Drs were second guessing, you don't want to mess with that stuff. Its as if you could have stayed home with your friend, googled and treated yourself. HellIf you still had the copperhead you could probably creat the anti venom yourself :doh:
I found this out (http://www.tigerhomes.org/animal/american-copperhead.cfm)reading about treatment. Looks like it happened to you.
Really I'm glad you and your friend are feeling better :huggy:
What happened to "Bitey" the Copperhead?
bresamil
07-11-2008, 04:44 PM
Which hospital was this?
:yeahthat:
Nanny Pam
07-11-2008, 04:53 PM
That would have been a dead snake, had it bit me.
shiki
07-11-2008, 05:39 PM
I went back in and had them check me and give me all the information that I should have gotten in the first place.
But snake bite...the adrenaline, poison, etc. makes you start feeling weird in the first place, then they start dosing you up with morphine and when that didn't help dilaudid, and benadryl and antivenin and steroids and blood thinner...It's very strange all around. :coffee:
My friend was being prepped for surgery last I spoke to her and she's scared they're gonna start slicing bits away :(
I got bit by a colert girl once in the 4th grade.
I cried.
morningbell
07-11-2008, 06:01 PM
I went back in and had them check me and give me all the information that I should have gotten in the first place.
But snake bite...the adrenaline, poison, etc. makes you start feeling weird in the first place, then they start dosing you up with morphine and when that didn't help dilaudid, and benadryl and antivenin and steroids and blood thinner...It's very strange all around. :coffee:
My friend was being prepped for surgery last I spoke to her and she's scared they're gonna start slicing bits away :(
I'm so sorry about your friend. Imagine if she didn't go, how horrible!
your friend got the worse of it because she got bit first.
the snake can store about 100mg. the average bite is 60 ~ 70 mg. it takes time to build the venom back up. it is done basically in the same way that a skunk makes its stink. if the snake didnt eat and digest between bites, that would have left you with a bite somewhere in the 30 ~ 40 mg range.
basically, she would have received almost twice the venom that you did.
hope this helps you understand the difference in your and her symptoms.
Im hoping and praying for the best for her.
You say the snake looked "dinky"? How long was it, maybe about a foot long?
If so, it might be a baby, and if so, I have been told the baby snakes actually carry a more venomous toxin in their glands, than adult snakes do.
When I was in New Mexico, that was the claim made, concerning western diamondback rattlers.
So, be very careful and monitor the bite location.
You say the snake looked "dinky"? How long was it, maybe about a foot long?
If so, it might be a baby, and if so, I have been told the baby snakes actually carry a more venomous toxin in their glands, than adult snakes do.
When I was in New Mexico, that was the claim made, concerning western diamondback rattlers.
So, be very careful and monitor the bite location.
the dont carry more, they just have not learned to ration it so they can end up giving a full load.
RoseRed
07-11-2008, 06:33 PM
the dont carry more, they just have not learned to ration it so they can end up giving a full load.
I don't think he read the tread...
I don't think he read the tread...
oops, I see belvak already covered this point.
oh well.
RoseRed
07-11-2008, 06:42 PM
oops, I see belvak already covered this point.
oh well.
:buddies:
I don't think he read the tread...
I read the thread, thank you very much! :smack:
I'm just stating what our managers told us about juvenile snakes and their venom, when I lived in New Mexico.
RoseRed
07-11-2008, 06:43 PM
I read the thread, thank you very much! :smack:
I'm just stating what our managers told us about juvenile snakes and their venom, when I lived in New Mexico.
:smack: yourself.
A big part of Pan Ladies job is snakes native to Maryland, she kinda did this stuff in College too.
toppick08
07-11-2008, 06:47 PM
Try never to kill a snake, if at all possible.
If I might make an addition to the conversation.
there are some pit vipers (rattle snake for one ) that the babies do have a more potent venom, however they, just as the copperhead young are still not able to control the amount of the venom per bite.
this combination does make the bite of the baby worse than that of the adult.
If I might make an addition to the conversation.
there are some pit vipers (rattle snake for one ) that the babies do have a more potent venom, however they, just as the copperhead young are still not able to control the amount of the venom per bite.
this combination does make the bite of the baby worse than that of the adult.
Thank You.
What happened was, when I was there in New Mexico, a few of us discovered, I don't know, about 8 or 10 baby rattlers in a ditch. A senior superior happened to walk by as we were about to capture a couple of them, and he gave us a stern warning to not fool around with them for the reason I mentioned earlier. :howdy:
He was right, that would have been a disfiguring bite at the best.
belvak
07-11-2008, 08:48 PM
oops, I see belvak already covered this point.
oh well.
:buddies:
:buddies: And for those who may not have seen it, here is a pic of the Copperhead (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p46/belvak05/Yard/DSCN0901.jpg) we found on our back deck a week or so ago. Very pretty, but dangerous.
belvak
07-11-2008, 08:51 PM
Thank You.
What happened was, when I was there in New Mexico, a few of us discovered, I don't know, about 8 or 10 baby rattlers in a ditch. A senior superior happened to walk by as we were about to capture a couple of them, and he gave us a stern warning to not fool around with them for the reason I mentioned earlier. :howdy:
When we were little (in the dinosaur days), my Brother, Sister, and I, along with some friends, told my Mom about the cute little worms we found next door. When she went to look with us, it was a bunch of baby copperheads. We were very lucky little kids!!! Thank God Mom and Dad snake were away from the nest!!!
atrusomder
07-11-2008, 10:17 PM
Wow, hope your ok. :huggy: let us know how you make out
BuddyLee
07-11-2008, 10:42 PM
Try never to kill a snake, if at all possible.
:yeahthat: I don't take the chance.
However, my dad and brother will gladly kill the copperheads. My sister almost stepped on a big ole' copperhead about a week ago. My dad sliced it in half with a shovel and went to grab another tool. I had to hold the shovel in place so that he couldn't get away. Even in two the booger was snapping at me.:faint:
hotmomma
07-11-2008, 11:09 PM
:buddies: And for those who may not have seen it, here is a pic of the Copperhead (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p46/belvak05/Yard/DSCN0901.jpg) we found on our back deck a week or so ago. Very pretty, but dangerous.
They give me goosebumps. I think it was about a year ago when I stepped right over a copperhead. It was sitting near the steps at work. One of my co-workers saw it immediately but she was the only one. She waited for all of us to come to work and when we were inside she told us about the snake. She said she wanted to see if anyone else noticed it :eyebrow: Tried to find something around the office to kill it but it was gone before we found anything.
morningbell
07-12-2008, 01:03 AM
:buddies: And for those who may not have seen it, here is a pic of the Copperhead (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p46/belvak05/Yard/DSCN0901.jpg) we found on our back deck a week or so ago. Very pretty, but dangerous.
He got the crazy eye :crazy: ready to strike...... :jameo:
Ouch. My father was bitten by a very large cooperhead when I was about 5 or so. He was in my grandfathers somokehouse looking for some antique. When he went to grab the antique the snake got him right on the end of his middle finger.
He tied it off to keep the poison from speading but the end of his middle finger swelled up to where it looked like something a bit larger than a golfball and turned completely white. During the drive to the hosptal the pressure got so bad he just whipped out his pocket knife and sliced it open. Blood and stuff splattered al over the car.
They kept him in the hospital about a week. This was about '71. I think they kept him trying to keep him from losing his finger.
I was only 5 at the time and saw the whole thing and thought if you got bit by a poisonous snake that was it, the end. I guess I remeber it so well because I honestly thought dad was done for.
Chain729
07-14-2008, 09:29 AM
copperhead bites are nasty, but not at all fatal. (maybe for the elderly or small children)
the worst thing is the possibility of some local (to the bite) tissue destruction, other than that, swelling, muscle pain and a headache are what can be expected.
most the time they dont give anti venom unless you were bitten by more than one snake at a time. lethal dose is around 100 mg and the average snake will produce only 60 to 70mg
let us know how this works out for you.
Anything over about 60 pounds and not allergic is OK. It won't kill you, just make you wish you were dead.
Hospitals here don't know what to do about snake bites because it's rare anyone gets bit by anything to worry about. Copperheads would rather hide or run than strike, locals know how to deal with them, and transplants are usually crazy city people that have panic attacks at the first sign of a snake.
Woodyspda
07-14-2008, 11:50 AM
Copperheads would rather hide or run than strike, locals know how to deal with them, and transplants are usually crazy city people that have panic attacks at the first sign of a snake.
Gee that's about the most ignorant thing I've ever seen anyone write on here. "locals know how to deal with them"???? Gee do they teach Copperhead 101 in the local schools???
I'm a transplant and know at least one person who has been bitten by a copperhead and I also know of at least 4 nests that have been found in the last year in yards where children play. Unless they teach the kids in daycare, I don't think a 2 year old will know what to do when they see one in the corner of the yard.
If you would have said that a majority of the local doctors know how to handle copperhead bites but most of the doctors here are transplants and are unfamiliar with the species.... I'd agree with you.
My friend who was bitten was out hiking in Patapsco State Park with some friends. She had stopped momentarily (on a pile of rocks) to grab some water and felt a sharp sting on her leg. She initially thought she had been stung by a ground bee or a spider... She had continued hiking and about a half hour later her leg had started to swell.... It was New Years Day a couple of years ago and it took about an hour to return to the car and another half hour to the hospital... The docs could only find one puncture mark and they inititially thought it was something other than a snake bite. Finally a doc that knew what they were looking at figured it out and my friend was taken care of... She was laid up for over 3 weeks. They NEVER saw the stinkin snake....
Woodyspda
07-14-2008, 11:55 AM
Oh I forgot to mention another friend of mine who's dog was bitten by a copperhead.... 2000 bucks later and the dog is fine.
Chain729
07-14-2008, 12:37 PM
Gee that's about the most ignorant thing I've ever seen anyone write on here. "locals know how to deal with them"???? Gee do they teach Copperhead 101 in the local schools???
I'm a transplant and know at least one person who has been bitten by a copperhead and I also know of at least 4 nests that have been found in the last year in yards where children play. Unless they teach the kids in daycare, I don't think a 2 year old will know what to do when they see one in the corner of the yard.
If you would have said that a majority of the local doctors know how to handle copperhead bites but most of the doctors here are transplants and are unfamiliar with the species.... I'd agree with you.
My friend who was bitten was out hiking in Patapsco State Park with some friends. She had stopped momentarily (on a pile of rocks) to grab some water and felt a sharp sting on her leg. She initially thought she had been stung by a ground bee or a spider... She had continued hiking and about a half hour later her leg had started to swell.... It was New Years Day a couple of years ago and it took about an hour to return to the car and another half hour to the hospital... The docs could only find one puncture mark and they inititially thought it was something other than a snake bite. Finally a doc that knew what they were looking at figured it out and my friend was taken care of... She was laid up for over 3 weeks. They NEVER saw the stinkin snake....
:yawn: :coffee: I'm not awake enough to bother with your drivel; have a nice day.
:yeahthat:
You sure you aren't Geek's MPD?
:smooch: Hang on girlfriend, I feel another trip report coming on :really:
keekee
08-31-2008, 11:10 AM
Try never to kill a snake, if at all possible.
:yeahthat: Plus I believe it's illegal to kill any type of snake in Maryland(?)
BuddyLee
08-31-2008, 04:12 PM
:yeahthat: Plus I believe it's illegal to kill any type of snake in Maryland(?)
I find that hard to believe.
I find that hard to believe.
as someone that has a permit for captive reptiles and amphibians, I can pretty much say that the only snake really specifically named as illegal to kill in the state is the Timber Rattler. Of course, I would seriously think against killing any snake. they all have important roles in nature.
BuddyLee
08-31-2008, 05:40 PM
as someone that has a permit for captive reptiles and amphibians, I can pretty much say that the only snake really specifically named as illegal to kill in the state is the Timber Rattler. Of course, I would seriously think against killing any snake. they all have important roles in nature.
My brother and father will kill it if its in the yard. My guess is because of my little sister.
As for myself, I would rather leave them be. Messing with nature isn't a good thing usually.
My brother and father will kill it if its in the yard. My guess is because of my little sister.
As for myself, I would rather leave them be. Messing with nature isn't a good thing usually.
I have captured and released (in a better location) copperheads before.
I dont kill them. Now, if the bastage bit me, all bets are off.
I have captured and released (in a better location) copperheads before.
I dont kill them. Now, if the bastage bit me, all bets are off.
It's my understanding that most snakes don't want any part of us humans. They will generally move off, and get away from the area you are inhabiting.
But, do not corner them, giving them no escape route! :smack:
It's my understanding that most snakes don't want any part of us humans. They will generally move off, and get away from the area you are inhabiting.
But, do not corner them, giving them no escape route! :smack:
some of the Pit Vipers dont play by those rules.
copperheads will back away a little bit and give you a chance to change direction, but if they are claiming territory, they wont back up but so far.
if its in your yard, and you have kids or animals, it is possible that something is going to get bit.
some of the Pit Vipers dont play by those rules.
copperheads will back away a little bit and give you a chance to change direction, but if they are claiming territory, they wont back up but so far.
if its in your yard, and you have kids or animals, it is possible that something is going to get bit.
I recently purchased a box of 9mm ammunition that has birdshot loaded in the nose, in place of a jacketed bullet. Would that sort of ammo do the job, should an angry Copperhead got too frisky?
I recently purchased a box of 9mm ammunition that has birdshot loaded in the nose, in place of a jacketed bullet. Would that sort of ammo do the job, should an angry Copperhead got too frisky?
well, I reckon it would leave a big bloody hole in the ground where the nasty little critter was once a slitherin.
I could use some of that ammo for squirrels
well, I reckon it would leave a big bloody hole in the ground where the nasty little critter was once a slitherin.
I could use some of that ammo for squirrels
Just as I thought! :lol: I got mine at a place called the Tackle Box, but they should be available at most gunshops. :yay:
desertrat
09-03-2008, 08:10 AM
I recently purchased a box of 9mm ammunition that has birdshot loaded in the nose, in place of a jacketed bullet. Would that sort of ammo do the job, should an angry Copperhead got too frisky?
Just as I thought! :lol: I got mine at a place called the Tackle Box, but they should be available at most gunshops. :yay:
It was a popular item back in AZ. I think the boxes even had a picture of a rattler on them. I know you could buy them in .22 and .38.
happyappygirl
09-03-2008, 08:31 AM
My daughter's little 13lb Jack Russel Jilly-Bean was bitten in the face a week ago today by a copperhead. She lives in a condo in P/F, and had walked out to the dumpster, tossed a bag in. Jilly was on the flexi lead. Daughter walked away from the dumpster, looked back and Jilly was taking a dump, so she waited. The dog stood, took 2 steps and WHAP WHAP WHAP 3 times like lightening. The stupid snake was in the parking lot between my daughter and the dog.
She scooped her up and raced to the vet. Within minutes poor Jilly's head swelled up above the collar to the size of a cantelope! She went limp, and started drooling. The vet popped her with the antivenin, benadryl and pred, which slowed the swelling, then stopped it, so by morning it wasn't any bigger, but still massively swollen. It took about 48 hours for it to begin to subside, but she's on the upswing now. She will likely loose the flesh on at least 2 spots about the size of a dime on the side of her snoot. The bill wasn't too bad, somewhere around 850.00. the antivenin was 650.00. It's amazing the vets react to the bites faster than docs for humans. :frown:
The vet said this year has been especially bad with dogs being bitten and i believe it. We've lost count of how many we've killed this year on our driveway. If i can see 'em, they're dead. No questions asked. That's the only native snake we WILL kill on sight. Got a couple of nice tanned hides now.
Rattlers dispense nerotoxins (affects the nervous system). Copeprheads dispense homotoxins (affect the cappilaries and tissues). Rattler bites are worse than copperhead bites.
My daughter's little 13lb Jack Russel Jilly-Bean was bitten in the face a week ago today by a copperhead. She lives in a condo in P/F, and had walked out to the dumpster, tossed a bag in. Jilly was on the flexi lead. Daughter walked away from the dumpster, looked back and Jilly was taking a dump, so she waited. The dog stood, took 2 steps and WHAP WHAP WHAP 3 times like lightening. The stupid snake was in the parking lot between my daughter and the dog.
She scooped her up and raced to the vet. Within minutes poor Jilly's head swelled up above the collar to the size of a cantelope! She went limp, and started drooling. The vet popped her with the antivenin, benadryl and pred, which slowed the swelling, then stopped it, so by morning it wasn't any bigger, but still massively swollen. It took about 48 hours for it to begin to subside, but she's on the upswing now. She will likely loose the flesh on at least 2 spots about the size of a dime on the side of her snoot. The bill wasn't too bad, somewhere around 850.00. the antivenin was 650.00. It's amazing the vets react to the bites faster than docs for humans. :frown:
The vet said this year has been especially bad with dogs being bitten and i believe it. We've lost count of how many we've killed this year on our driveway. If i can see 'em, they're dead. No questions asked. That's the only native snake we WILL kill on sight. Got a couple of nice tanned hides now.
Rattlers dispense nerotoxins (affects the nervous system). Copeprheads dispense homotoxins (affect the cappilaries and tissues). Rattler bites are worse than copperhead bites.
That's a shame; poor doggie. Glad your daughter wasn't hurt.
What are you using to put down the Copperheads?
Larry Gude
09-03-2008, 03:30 PM
What are you using to put down the Copperheads?
Coppertone?
:lmao:
GWguy
09-03-2008, 03:50 PM
Rattlers dispense nerotoxins (affects the nervous system). Copeprheads dispense homotoxins (affect the cappilaries and tissues). Rattler bites are worse than copperhead bites.
So, anything a copperhead bites gets confused about it's sexuality ??
I apologize. Couldn't help myself...
desertrat
09-03-2008, 03:51 PM
Coppertone?
:lmao:
So, anything a copperhead bites gets confused about it's sexuality ??
I apologize. Couldn't help myself...
:lmao:
Larry Gude
09-03-2008, 03:55 PM
:lmao:
...@SOMD can you have dangerous animals, sexual identity concerns and skin safety in the same thread.
:lmao:
dems4me
09-03-2008, 03:56 PM
...@SOMD can you have dangerous animals, sexual identity concerns and skin safety in the same thread.
:lmao:
:roflmao:
Coppertone?
:lmao:
Right! Give the little critters UV protection! :lol:
happyappygirl
09-04-2008, 08:06 AM
Right! Give the little critters UV protection! :lol:
OOPS Hemo(?)toxin blood related poison. :lol:
Re: "putting them down"....well that was a challenge to do without ruining the pelt, since my way of doing it is to crush the little buggers head with my boot heel. That's what i did to the first couple, until hubby got the grand idea of skinning them. We pretty much always have one in the fridge in the barn now waiting to be skinned. In the barn after i raised such a stink about them being in the fridge in the HOUSE that is. :ohwell: I DO have my limits....
With the first one, Hubby nabbed it and plopped it into one of those red/white thermos' filled with water and capped it. Left it in there over night, and when he opened the lid the very ticked off bastage sprung right out at him! :faint: I nearly fell down running away. He grabbed it up again and plopped it back in, put the lid on, opened up the sippy thing on the thermos to let the rest of the air out, put the thermos inside a trash can, put a brick on top, and covered THAT with water. That did it. He drowned, and the pelt is intact.
He skins 'em, and i tan the hide. We have a couple mounted on old barn wood. I have to figure out how to tan them and keep the colors bright. The tanning process tends to dull them a bit.
nomoney
09-04-2008, 08:11 AM
OOPS Hemo(?)toxin blood related poison. :lol:
Re: "putting them down"....well that was a challenge to do without ruining the pelt, since my way of doing it is to crush the little buggers head with my boot heel. That's what i did to the first couple, until hubby got the grand idea of skinning them. We pretty much always have one in the fridge in the barn now waiting to be skinned. In the barn after i raised such a stink about them being in the fridge in the HOUSE that is. :ohwell: I do HAVE my limits....
With the first one, Hubby nabbed it and plopped it into one of those red/white thermos' filled with water and capped it. Left it in there over night, and when he opened the lid the bastage sprung right out at him! :faint: I nearly fell down running away. He grabbed it up again and plopped it back in, put the lid on, opened up the sippy thing on the thermos, put the thermos inside a trash can, put a brick on top, and covered THAT with water. That did it. He drowned, and the pelt is intact.
He skins 'em, and i tan the hide. We have a couple mounted on old barn wood. I have to figure out how to tan them and keep the colors bright. The tanning process tends to dull them a bit.
Are you skinning them and leaving them hanging out as a "warning" to the other snakes? :confused:
happyappygirl
09-04-2008, 08:25 AM
Are you skinning them and leaving them hanging out as a "warning" to the other snakes? :confused:
I wish that would work. I'm neurotically afraid of them, especially seeing first hand what it did to my daughters little doggie.
We use them when any kids come to the house to show them what one looks like so they avoid them. We live in the deep woods. Our family is full of snake lovers, and will grab one up in a heart beat.
We also use them at Horse Science School, and have taken them into our kid's schools to educate them.
Call them public safety announcements. :lol:
Ps...it wasn't MY idea....
I wish that would work. I'm neurotically afraid of them, especially seeing first hand what it did to my daughters little doggie.
We use them when any kids come to the house to show them what one looks like so they avoid them. We live in the deep woods. Our family is full of snake lovers, and will grab one up in a heart beat.
We also use them at Horse Science School, and have taken them into our kid's schools to educate them.
Call them public safety announcements. :lol:
Ps...it wasn't MY idea....
Wow! Not only do you guys live "deep in the woods", but you all get pretty "deep" in the manner in which you dispose of them! :lmao:
Mousebaby
09-04-2008, 12:50 PM
Ok you guys are freaking me out, I just went outside to bring my dogs in. They like chasing squirrels and such and it scares me now to let them go play. :frown:
Ok you guys are freaking me out, I just went outside to bring my dogs in. They like chasing squirrels and such and it scares me now to let them go play. :frown:
No sweat! Just bring a can of Mace with you! :lmao:
Axle36
09-10-2008, 12:21 AM
take care of yourself
Well is says to reply with a quote.
Here is one of my own.
"What disgusts me most about kids today, is that people my age probably thought the same of me when I was a kid."
Probably not worth repeating, just a thought:
sockgirl77
09-10-2008, 12:52 AM
the dont carry more, they just have not learned to ration it so they can end up giving a full load.
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