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He claims to be the second coming of Christ, but his message is controversial.
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Things that make you :confused:

One of the comments: "Don't drink his kool-aid...." :lol:

This fool, false teacher and LOOSER has body guards and carries a gun. Did Jesus do this? NO! Not the real Jesus of even an impersonator. Matthew 24 v 23-27.
Anyone who says there is no hell is sure to find himself there one day soon.

There were no guns in ancient times.

Jesus would probably have packed heat.

Jesus would probably have packed heat.



The events with the money-changers would have definitely had a different ending.

There were no guns in ancient times.

Jesus would probably have packed heat.
Why would He need to carry heat? Duh!
Have you never heard the quip;
Back to back they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot one another...? :killingme
Ok, most people would understand I meant a weapon.

And Jesus said: Deny me three times, Peter, and I wil have the two sons of Zebedee put a cap in your ass.

And I'm not talking about the kind your neighbor has either.

The little known Matthew 26:34.5

but how do i get you to drink my koolaid :eyebrow:


:razz:

You're obviously not offering the right flavor. :really:

There were no guns in ancient times.

Jesus would probably have packed heat.:lmao:

See, sometimes blasphemy can be funny!

This fool, false teacher and LOOSER has body guards and carries a gun. Did Jesus do this? NO! Not the real Jesus of even an impersonator. Matthew 24 v 23-27.
Anyone who says there is no hell is sure to find himself there one day soon.

Should we say, "perhaps you should try Jesus as you savior" ...almost with a consumer market oriented mentality? "There are lots of religious options and if you try this particular religious option you might like it." ... No... rather, Jesus is Lord and he will soon be invading with His armies. He is offering pardon in advance of His invasion and should you receive the pardon and ally yourself with Him now before He invades, when He comes you will be considered His ally and He will raise you to Kingship. The alternative is to be under the wrath of the King. It is not some kind of religious option. It an announcement that a new King is on the throne and He'll be invading. The gospel is not an invitation to an array of a buffet style choices, it is a command. Will you heed the command? Jesus is Lord, repent and believe. - William Wilder

This fool, false teacher and LOOSER has body guards and carries a gun. Did Jesus do this? NO! Not the real Jesus of even an impersonator. Matthew 24 v 23-27.
Anyone who says there is no hell is sure to find himself there one day soon.

i thought jesus had 12......


so what proof do you have that this man is not the second coming of christ that you yourself have been alluding to here on this very forum?

i thought jesus had 12......
so what proof do you have that this man is not the second coming of christ that you yourself have been alluding to here on this very forum?
Uh, they were His students not body guards.
Jesus said He will not return again until the end of time. He said it and the Bible says it (Matthew 24 v 23-27) but YOU won't believe it so why discuss it?

why does anyone discuss ideas completely rooted in fantasy?

interest maybe?

The fact that it's interesting that people will base their entire lives (well, unless they don't feel like it that day) off of an old book without a shred of evidence to it.

why does anyone discuss ideas completely rooted in fantasy?

interest maybe?

The fact that it's interesting that people will base their entire lives (well, unless they don't feel like it that day) off of an old book without a shred of evidence to it.

:deadhorse

:deadhorse

yeah, you're doing that too =)

Uh, they were His students not body guards.
Jesus said He will not return again until the end of time. He said it and the Bible says it (Matthew 24 v 23-27) but YOU won't believe it so why discuss it?


but you and others here have been claiming that the end of times is near, how can you dismiss this jesus as a fraud? what is your evidence that he isn't who he says he is?

but you and others here have been claiming that the end of times is near, how can you dismiss this jesus as a fraud? what is your evidence that he isn't who he says he is?

Do you believe this guy is Jesus returned, the Messiah, the Christ in any way, shape or fashion?

Do you believe this guy is Jesus returned, the Messiah, the Christ in any way, shape or fashion?

well, as he doesn't believe in the original ....

either way, what is the evidence that this guy isn't?

well, as he doesn't believe in the original ....

either way, what is the evidence that this guy isn't?

Pointless argument. You claim that He (Jesus) never was, then demand to prove that this guy isn't. Ridiculous!

Pointless argument. You claim that He (Jesus) never was, then demand to prove that this guy isn't. Ridiculous!

I never claimed he never was.

There is no real concrete proof he ever was, but that's a different thing.

I never claimed he never was.

There is no real concrete proof he ever was, but that's a different thing.

Well, actually there is some archeological evidence that Jesus existed. The evidence is about as reliable as evidence that black holes exist.

So, do you believe Jesus (the Son of God) lived here on earth?

Well, actually there is some archeological evidence that Jesus existed. The evidence is about as reliable as evidence that black holes exist.

So, do you believe Jesus (the Son of God) lived here on earth?

I believe Jesus (the carpenter (or some like profession) may have.

I have no reason to believe he was the son of god.

Every religion has their book and everyone thinks their book is right. However, for any one book to be 'right', every single other 'right' book has to be wrong.

Meaning that every religion but one is just enjoying tax free property and massive amounts of donations.

I think more likely that they all are wrong.

I believe Jesus (the carpenter (or some like profession) may have.

I have no reason to believe he was the son of god.

Every religion has their book and everyone thinks their book is right. However, for any one book to be 'right', every single other 'right' book has to be wrong.

Meaning that every religion but one is just enjoying tax free property and massive amounts of donations.

I think more likely that they all are wrong.

In philosophy I think you are right... they are wrong. I've been to too many churches and seen too many "Christian" groups serve money and spew (what I view to be) the wrong philosophical premise of who Christ is and His (My) God. The "Church" has strayed away from the basic principles of the teachings of Christ just as Jesus (as read in the Bible) said it would.

Does that mean I think they are all going to hell? Absolutely not. It's not up to me. But my belief has gone far beyond requiring absolute, concrete proof; just as those that believe there was a big bang don't really need that same level of proof that it actually happened. We argue about things we believe as if there was some magical word we could say to make the other believe they are right and we forget that most of these beliefs (whether it be certain scientific information or belief in a God) rely on nothing more than faith.

Pointless argument. You claim that He (Jesus) never was, then demand to prove that this guy isn't. TYPICAL!

:fixed:

but you and others here have been claiming that the end of times is near, how can you dismiss this jesus as a fraud? what is your evidence that he isn't who he says he is?
Easy! He claims to be the Messiah but has done NOTHING miraculous to prove it. The real & only Jesus, did.

This guy sounds like he just escaped from the looney house. :crazy: Another David Koresh perhaps? No sinners? What world is he from? This place is LOADED with them. IDIOT!!

Easy! He claims to be the Messiah but has done NOTHING miraculous to prove it. The real & only Jesus, did.

does the good book prophesize jesus preforming miracules when he returns?
I hadn't heard that. which miraculous acts is he going to show us?

I'm pretty sure that when Jesus comes back, there will be no doubt.

I'm pretty sure that when Jesus comes back, there will be no doubt.

people doubted him the first time....

does it say there will be no doubt when he returns?

it just seems funny that so many are predictinig his return, but any one who claims they are jesus are instantly determined to be insane, fools or a cult leader by those same folks....

Easy! He claims to be the Messiah but has done NOTHING miraculous to prove it. The real & only Jesus, did.

How do you know he hasn't?

people doubted him the first time....

does it say there will be no doubt when he returns?

it just seems funny that so many are predictinig his return, but any one who claims they are jesus are instantly determined to be insane, fools or a cult leader by those same folks....

The second coming of Christ is described in Revelation 19. He wont come preaching in some church. And if you read Revelation a bunch of other things have to happen first. If you read Matthew 24 Jesus talks about the end of times and explains:

... for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be. And if those days had not been shortened, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened. If anyone says to you then, 'Look, here is the Messiah!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told it to you beforehand. So if they say to you, 'He is in the desert,' do not go out there; if they say, 'He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For just as lightning comes from the east and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.(Matthew 24:21-27)

Point is, don't go looking for Him. He will come when we don't expect it and wont have any appearance that we will recognize. People expect things like this to happen in ways that we understand it, as human physical beings. The return of Christ will be a spiritual phenomenon. That's how we know this guy is false.

This fool, false teacher and LOOSER has body guards and carries a gun. Did Jesus do this? NO! Not the real Jesus of even an impersonator. Matthew 24 v 23-27.
Anyone who says there is no hell is sure to find himself there one day soon.

But like the rest of the :bs: out there, he will get enough people to follow his word and BELIEVE it, so he'll one day be a rich and somewhat powerful man.

Amazing how easy it is to do if you are only willing to tell the lies, and take advantage of the misinformed and the ignorant.

Well, actually there is some archeological evidence that Jesus existed. The evidence is about as reliable as evidence that black holes exist.

So, do you believe Jesus (the Son of God) lived here on earth?

You mean there is proff that the PERSON Jesus of Nazareth existed. There is also proof that he didn't die on the cross, but lived out his life and had a family.

There is no proof that he was resurrected, there is no proof that he performed any miracles. There are many stories about what he did, but without any proof, those are what we call fables. They teach through story telling, but is there any truth to them? Maybe a little to make them more believable.. like town names that did exist (Stephen King is very good at this kind of writing also). But in it's entirety if half of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did were true there would be a lot more proof of it than just the bible.

The second coming of Christ is described in Revelation 19. He wont come preaching in some church. And if you read Revelation a bunch of other things have to happen first. If you read Matthew 24 Jesus talks about the end of times and explains:



Point is, don't go looking for Him. He will come when we don't expect it and wont have any appearance that we will recognize. People expect things like this to happen in ways that we understand it, as human physical beings. The return of Christ will be a spiritual phenomenon. That's how we know this guy is false.

it sounds to me like it says most people wont recognize him as the return of the messiah......
and it seems most people doubt this guy.

and like i said, a lot of people on here are saying that those very things are happening, and we are on the verge of the end.

does the good book prophesize jesus preforming miracules when he returns?
I hadn't heard that. which miraculous acts is he going to show us?
Yep, and when He returns the world will end and you doubters will have no doubts as to whom He is. Before He returns He will begin the destruction of the world as described in Revelation (the waters all turning into blood, hail mixed with fire & blood, the sun scorching the earth, etc., etc.) then He will judge the lost, then send them out of His presence forever. But remember, this is what you all asked for.
How do you know he hasn't?
Why do you always argue? As PsyOps said, you're ridiculous with your own contradictions. You have spoken out so much against Christianity that you've come full circle with your confusion and you don't even see it. First you say there is no Jesus, then you ask why ISN'T this guy the Jesus that you don't believe in? Let's see him do what Jesus did, but he can't so you can best believe that, when Jesus does return, "every eye will see Him". No one will miss Him.

But like the rest of the :bs: out there, he will get enough people to follow his word and BELIEVE it, so he'll one day be a rich and somewhat powerful man.
Amazing how easy it is to do if you are only willing to tell the lies, and take advantage of the misinformed and the ignorant.
God is not taking advantage of you Bob, He's trying to save you.
You mean there is proff that the PERSON Jesus of Nazareth existed. There is also proof that he didn't die on the cross, but lived out his life and had a family.
There is no proof that he was resurrected, there is no proof that he performed any miracles. There are many stories about what he did, but without any proof, those are what we call fables. They teach through story telling, but is there any truth to them? Maybe a little to make them more believable.. like town names that did exist (Stephen King is very good at this kind of writing also). But in it's entirety if half of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did were true there would be a lot more proof of it than just the bible.
There's NO proof that He DIDN'T die on a cross, just people like you who start false rumors then get a following to believe those lies.
Jesus was witnessed both dead then alive again by hundreds of people of His time. There are secular books proving the existence of Jesus so it's not all "Bible only" stuff. You can believe it now or believe it later but one day you will.

But like the rest of the :bs: out there, he will get enough people to follow his word and BELIEVE it, so he'll one day be a rich and somewhat powerful man.

Amazing how easy it is to do if you are only willing to tell the lies, and take advantage of the misinformed and the ignorant.

Sort of like Microsoft Corp. :lmao:

You mean there is proff that the PERSON Jesus of Nazareth existed. There is also proof that he didn't die on the cross, but lived out his life and had a family.

About as much, if not more, proof that Socrates or Plato or Alexander the Great. All we have is written word as proof, oh and some archeological finds.

There is no proof that he was resurrected, there is no proof that he performed any miracles. There are many stories about what he did, but without any proof, those are what we call fables. They teach through story telling, but is there any truth to them? Maybe a little to make them more believable.. like town names that did exist (Stephen King is very good at this kind of writing also). But in it's entirety if half of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did were true there would be a lot more proof of it than just the bible.

I'm not trying to convince you that any of this happened. I'm trying to explain why we have believers. But there you have it... we don't have proof. We don't have proof there was a big bang, we don't have proof that life sprouted from little spontaneous bursts of energy, we don't have proof that we evolved from a fish. We put our faith in a lot of things that just don't have proof. And I've stated several times in other threads that if you are looking for physical proof to bring you to God then you will remain where you are. It's a spiritual thing that, just like how life came into existence, can't be explained.

Why do you always argue? As PsyOps said, you're ridiculous with your own contradictions. You have spoken out so much against Christianity that you've come full circle with your confusion and you don't even see it. First you say there is no Jesus, then you ask why ISN'T this guy the Jesus that you don't believe in? Let's see him do what Jesus did, but he can't so you can best believe that, when Jesus does return, "every eye will see Him". No one will miss Him.

what contradictions?

show me.

lame insults (haha very 'christian' of you by the way) don't generally constitute 'evidence'.

God is not taking advantage of you Bob, He's trying to save you.

There's NO proof that He DIDN'T die on a cross, just people like you who start false rumors then get a following to believe those lies.
Jesus was witnessed both dead then alive again by hundreds of people of His time. There are secular books proving the existence of Jesus so it's not all "Bible only" stuff. You can believe it now or believe it later but one day you will.

Nope, doubt it.

And God is not trying to Save me, churches are trying to convince me that they are trying to save me.. and at such a great price.

I think if any church has it right, I'd have to look at Judaism, and agree with them that Jesus hasn't been here the first time yet, and Jesus of Nazareth is NOT the Messiah, and the prophecies of their church prove he wasn't. I don't believe the Jewish church is made up ten or twenty other churches, and I do believe they've been around a lot longer than Christians, so yeah, I'd have to side with their team in a debate.

About as much, if not more, proof that Socrates or Plato or Alexander the Great. All we have is written word as proof, oh and some archeological finds.



I'm not trying to convince you that any of this happened. I'm trying to explain why we have believers. But there you have it... we don't have proof. We don't have proof there was a big bang, we don't have proof that life sprouted from little spontaneous bursts of energy, we don't have proof that we evolved from a fish. We put our faith in a lot of things that just don't have proof. And I've stated several times in other threads that if you are looking for physical proof to bring you to God then you will remain where you are. It's a spiritual thing that, just like how life came into existence, can't be explained.

Socrates and Plato and even Alexander the great have many written records, even diaries and writings of their own. They wrote down what they knew, and others wrote about them, about knowing them, seeing them, and witnessing them. AND we can still read the original documents from when they were on the earth teaching and learning and leading their people. Christians have the Bible, that's it. Despite the fact that people followed and witnessed Christ perform miracles of miracles, none of the preachers, teachers, scientists.. etc.. EVER thought to write any of it down, or record it in any shape or form. No art work dating to the time, no paintings.. just renditions of what artists think it may have been like drawn thousand years after the fact. Not a single record that can be dated to the day any of these miracles happened, not even a cave drawing. how many people supposedly witnessed Moses parting the sea, were they all iliterate?

I've got to tell you, if I was at work and someone cured a co-workers blindness by laying on of hands you can believe I'd write about it. I'd record it somewhere.

There's NO proof that He DIDN'T die on a cross

there is also no proof that I'm not god.

There's NO proof that He DIDN'T die on a cross

And actually there is.. if he truly was resurected as told in the bible there should be no earthly body.. yet there is.

But seriously, Jesus may have never existed at all.. at some time in History someone decides to create a church and writes a book that tells this glorious story. People in the time period believe it.. yet if anyone tells of anything even SIMILAR in nature, they are crackpots..

Why do you find it so easy to believe the unbelievable from 2000 years ago, but anytime anyone mentions anything even a 1/100th believable today they are crackpots, or mental cases.. WHY should it be believable at all, let al one from 2000 years ago? People that lived to 600 years of age, parting of seas.. turning water into wine (OK, I'll give you that one, MD2020 does that every day).. talking bushes?? PUH-lease?? Try to convince anyone that you talked to a tree on your way to work, and the tree told you what to do... What would you suggest we do with someone like that?

Suit yourselves folks, I tried. :buddies:

And actually there is.. if he truly was resurected as told in the bible there should be no earthly body.. yet there is.

Really? Where?

But seriously, Jesus may have never existed at all.. at some time in History someone decides to create a church and writes a book that tells this glorious story. People in the time period believe it.. yet if anyone tells of anything even SIMILAR in nature, they are crackpots..

I’m glad to see you at least acknowledge that Jesus MAY have existed.

Why do you find it so easy to believe the unbelievable from 2000 years ago, but anytime anyone mentions anything even a 1/100th believable today they are crackpots, or mental cases.. WHY should it be believable at all, let al one from 2000 years ago? People that lived to 600 years of age, parting of seas.. turning water into wine (OK, I'll give you that one, MD2020 does that every day).. talking bushes?? PUH-lease?? Try to convince anyone that you talked to a tree on your way to work, and the tree told you what to do... What would you suggest we do with someone like that?

Why do you find it so easy to believe something that happened millions of years ago. You find it easy to believe life just popped up out of nowhere; a series of spontaneous chemical events. There’s no proof of this. There isn’t even any first-hand documented evidence; well considering there was no civilized life forms to document it. At least there are documented first-hand accounts of Christ. Whether you believe those accounts are fraudulent or not, they are still documented. Yet you dismiss that and cling to something that has nothing more than a bunch of made-up numbers and some philosophical support. Putting your faith in either (life spontaneous/life created) is easily questioned and doubted. Neither can be physically proven. Neither can be philosophically disproved. It simply boils down to what you believe. And I assure you – based on the statistics – there are more that believe there is a God (of some sort) than those that do not. Sometimes real numbers speak loudly enough on their own.

I’m glad to see you at least acknowledge that Jesus MAY have existed.



Why do you find it so easy to believe something that happened millions of years ago. You find it easy to believe life just popped up out of nowhere; a series of spontaneous chemical events. There’s no proof of this. There isn’t even any first-hand documented evidence; well considering there was no civilized life forms to document it. At least there are documented first-hand accounts of Christ. Whether you believe those accounts are fraudulent or not, they are still documented. Yet you dismiss that and cling to something that has nothing more than a bunch of made-up numbers and some philosophical support. Putting your faith in either (life spontaneous/life created) is easily questioned and doubted. Neither can be physically proven. Neither can be philosophically disproved. It simply boils down to what you believe. And I assure you – based on the statistics – there are more that believe there is a God (of some sort) than those that do not. Sometimes real numbers speak loudly enough on their own.

there are documented instances of evolution though. It stands to reason that given the right amount of time (check) life could evolve (check) into many many diverse life forms.

You mean there is proff that the PERSON Jesus of Nazareth existed. There is also proof that he didn't die on the cross, but lived out his life and had a family.

There is no proof that he was resurrected, there is no proof that he performed any miracles. There are many stories about what he did, but without any proof, those are what we call fables. They teach through story telling, but is there any truth to them? Maybe a little to make them more believable.. like town names that did exist (Stephen King is very good at this kind of writing also). But in it's entirety if half of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did were true there would be a lot more proof of it than just the bible.

Hi Bob,
Serious question when writting these post what do you feel? Do you get a just a little aggitated. Or do you feel something else like when you leave someone down or disapoint them.
If you be so kind to answer, I'd really like to know.

Hi Bob,
Serious question when writting these post what do you feel? Do you get a just a little aggitated. Or do you feel something else like when you leave someone down or disapoint them.
If you be so kind to answer, I'd really like to know.

None of the above.

Not agitated, not mad, not happy, not sad.

But I'd eat green eggs and Ham,

with you I would Sam I am.

Hi Bob,
Serious question when writting these post what do you feel? Do you get a just a little aggitated. Or do you feel something else like when you leave someone down or disapoint them.
If you be so kind to answer, I'd really like to know.

he probably feels like you do when you talk to your kids about hanzle and grettle, or any other such fairytale

there are documented instances of evolution though. It stands to reason that given the right amount of time (check) life could evolve (check) into many many diverse life forms.Too bad that there is absolutely no proof of this.

A species changing over time - proof.

A sponge mutating to animal life form, tree, and insect - not a shred of proof nor any common sense nor reason to it.

But, if you put your faith in evolution of life (source: unknown), that's what you're arguing is true.

there are documented instances of evolution though. It stands to reason that given the right amount of time (check) life could evolve (check) into many many diverse life forms.

You mean first-hand accounts? Really? Who? Did they witness this through the entire process? They must've been quite old when it was all over.

You are comparing eyewitness accounts of the Messiah to theory.

None of the above.

Not agitated, not mad, not happy, not sad.

But I'd eat green eggs and Ham,

with you I would Sam I am.

:lmao:

he probably feels like you do when you talk to your kids about hanzle and grettle, or any other such fairytale

I realize the impulse to insult believers is irresistible but wouldn’t Bugs Bunny be a better comparison? I mean, while we’re keeping this intellectual.

You mean first-hand accounts? Really? Who? Did they witness this through the entire process? They must've been quite old when it was all over.

You are comparing eyewitness accounts of the Messiah to theory.

not all evolution takes billions of years

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/169/2/523.pdf

not all evolution takes billions of years

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/169/2/523.pdf

Darwinism = fiction. :ohwell:

Darwinism = fiction. :ohwell:

parts possibly, sure.

Evolution isn't.

not all evolution takes billions of years

http://www.genetics.org/cgi/reprint/169/2/523.pdfOnce again, minor changes in a single species. I don't think anyone doubts life changes over time. Too bad they couldn't pinpoint the cause of the mutation - they may have actually had something there.

However, this still doesn't get a human and a banana tree both from a sponge. Sorry.

parts possibly, sure.

Evolution isn't.

Agreed. However, evolution does not proof how life came to be.

Agreed. However, evolution does not proof how life came to be.

very true .... but it's the idea with the most evidence supporting it.

very true .... but it's the idea with the most evidence supporting it.

What evidence does evolution provide to explain how life came to be?

What evidence does evolution provide to explain how life came to be?

I thought you meant current life. Like modern man from neanderthal or such.

Evolution doesn't explain that aspect because that is a completely seperate thing.