Russell Brand calls George Bush a 'retard' at MTV awards - Times Online (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article4703539.ece)


...with friends like this...


The British comedian, who is a virtual unknown in America, left the crème of the music world stunned as he championed Barack Obama, ran down Bush and made lewd jokes about the Christian pop band Jonas Brothers.

Ignoring the renowned patriotism of Americans, Brand told the Hollywood audience they must vote for Barrack Obama “on behalf of the world”, before insinuating that America had lower standards than Britain when it came to picking leaders.

Russell Brand calls George Bush a 'retard' at MTV awards - Times Online (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article4703539.ece)


...with friends like this...

Wonder what he thinks of W's daddy, that saved Englands' ass during WW2.

:coffee:

Wow....I cannot get over how ridicious he looks to take anything he said seriously.

Wonder what he thinks of W's daddy, that saved Englands' ass during WW2.

:coffee:


Or his grandaddy, that supported Hitler.


/godwinned!

Or his grandaddy, that supported Hitler.


/godwinned!

:neener:.....Peavey is still better.....:whistle:

We went to the "Black Family Reunion" yesterday in DC.

Saw shirts that read "My President is BLACK!!"

Shoot, Obama is whiter than most white people.. he's got them fooled.

Rasied by a white family, private schools.. he's whiter than me!!

:neener:.....Peavey is still better.....:whistle:

Yeah, in a retro kinda way :larry:

Yeah, in a retro kinda way :larry:

:rolleyes:

Does Eddie still use them ?

This Eddie?

...with friends like this...

Nasty ugly people. Which means that Barack Obama must be a nasty ugly person as well, or these types wouldn't rally 'round him.

This Eddie?

yes.........the best ever.....God bless him.

Idiots think just because you shove a camera in their face, people are suppose to give a sh*t about their political views. British piece of sh*t... :coffee:

Wonder what he thinks of W's daddy, that saved Englands' ass during WW2.

:coffee:

...daddy didn't do squat for England in WWII. He flew in the Pacific. And don't ever bring up US involvement in WWII saving their bacon. Unless you like...

:banghead:

Or his grandaddy, that supported Hitler.


/godwinned!

...many Western business people 'supported' Hitler in that they did business with him, with Germany. Some even thought Hitler was right. Like Joe Kennedy.

...daddy didn't do squat for England in WWII. He flew in the Pacific. And don't ever bring up US involvement in WWII saving their bacon. Unless you like...

:banghead:


I cringe when I hear that. No matter how much I study WW2, I come to two inescapable conclusions.

The United States won the war in the Pacific. If we'd had no one on our side, we still would have won.

But Russia won the war in Europe. If no one had been on their side, they probably still would have won, if not brought Germany to a stand still. They were already beating Germany before we even entered the war.

The only thing we "saved" in Europe was keeping it all out of Russia's hands.

...daddy didn't do squat for England in WWII. He flew in the Pacific. And don't ever bring up US involvement in WWII saving their bacon. Unless you like...

:banghead:

Any of our boys fighting in WW2, regardless of theatre, saved Europe's ass...:shrug:

I cringe when I hear that. No matter how much I study WW2, I come to two inescapable conclusions.

The United States won the war in the Pacific. If we'd had no one on our side, we still would have won.

But Russia won the war in Europe. If no one had been on their side, they probably still would have won, if not brought Germany to a stand still. They were already beating Germany before we even entered the war.

The only thing we "saved" in Europe was keeping it all out of Russia's hands.


...75% of Germany's losses were in the East, so, there is no doubt that Russia did the heavy lifting. I saw something that shows in terms of losses suffered and inflicted, Britain did less than 10% of the work in beating Germany. On top of that England made perhaps the greatest blunder in their history declaring support for Poland in the first place. They ended up making the world safe for Joe Stalin.

:jameo:

Any of our boys fighting in WW2, regardless of theatre, saved Europe's ass...:shrug:

...that's not true. Not even close. We got something positive out of the Pacific; our domination. In Europe, we got 50 years of communism. So, what did we save? We 'saved' England which continued her decline into second class status and we gave back 1/2 of France. Germany retaliated, viciously, by giving back the other half.

I cringe when I hear that. No matter how much I study WW2, I come to two inescapable conclusions.

The United States won the war in the Pacific. If we'd had no one on our side, we still would have won.

But Russia won the war in Europe. If no one had been on their side, they probably still would have won, if not brought Germany to a stand still. They were already beating Germany before we even entered the war.

The only thing we "saved" in Europe was keeping it all out of Russia's hands.

And you don't think that is saving their bacon?

...that's not true. Not even close. We got something positive out of the Pacific; our domination. In Europe, we got 50 years of communism. So, what did we save? We 'saved' England which continued her decline into second class status and we gave back 1/2 of France. Germany retaliated, viciously, by giving back the other half.

Yeah right, Made In Japan....:duh:

:buddies:

And you don't think that is saving their bacon?

That WAS the original remark - but not mine, nor do I think it was the intent of the post. We didn't save Europe from the Nazis.

That WAS the original remark - but not mine, nor do I think it was the intent of the post. We didn't save Europe from the Nazis.

Tell my Great Uncle who fought in The Battle Of The Bulge that, who came home shell shocked and never was the same.....big time......:buttkick:

That WAS the original remark - but not mine, nor do I think it was the intent of the post. We didn't save Europe from the Nazis.


I'll bet the names on the WWII memorial in Washington DC and other US European veterans cemeteries tell a different story!!!

Allied Forces (in order of entry into the war)


Country Pop. Killed/Mising Wounded Total(Military) Civilian (deaths)



China 450m 1.3 million 1.8 million 3.1 million 9 million
Poland 35m 130,000 200,000 330,000 2.5million
U.K. 48m 400,000 300,000 700,000 60,000
France 42m 250,000 350,000 600,000 270,000
Australia 7m 30,000 40,000 70,000 --
India 360m 36,000 64,000 100,000 --
New Zealand 2m 10,000 20,000 30,000 --
So. Africa 10m 9,000 14,000 23,000 --
Canada 11m 42,000 50,000 92,000 --
Denmark 4m 2,000 ? ? 1,000
Norway 3m 10,000 ? ? 6,000
Belgium 8m 12,000 16,000 28,000 100,000
Holland 9m 14,000 7,000 21,000 250,000
Greece 7m 90,000 ? ? 400,000
Yugoslavia 15m 320,000 ? ? 1.3million
U.S.S.R. 194m 9 million 18 million 27 million 19 million
U.S.A. 129m 300,000 300,000 600,000 --

Tell my Great Uncle who fought in The Battle Of The Bulge that, who came home shell shocked and never was the same.....big time......:buttkick:

I'm sure he'd have a nice talk with my grandfather who fought at Corregidor, survived the Bataan Death March and was a POW for 3.5 years in Japan.

We had brave men fight and die there - but we didn't pay nearly the price in blood that nations like Russia did. They lost 50 to 60 men for every one we lost. Poland lost 10 for every one we lost. As a percentage of our population, we rank behind *Malta* and Ethiopia in lives lost. Little Lithuania lost almost as many people as we did. We didn't pay as dear a price as dozens of other nations did, with men every bit as brave as your great uncle.

The thing is - we entered the war QUITE late. We didn't even set foot on the continent until 1943. By that time, the Nazis were in full retreat in the East, and faced very little opposition in the West until D-Day.

Trying to claim that WE won WW2 would be like a linebacker claiming he won the Superbowl all by himself.

It's a common boast that "if it weren't for us Americans, y'all would be speaking German today" but it doesn't square with history. Between 70 and 100 million brave people lost their lives in that conflict, and we lost half a million after missing half the war. It's just arrogance to claim we won it ourselves.

I'm sure he'd have a nice talk with my grandfather who fought at Corregidor, survived the Bataan Death March and was a POW for 3.5 years in Japan.

We had brave men fight and die there - but we didn't pay nearly the price in blood that nations like Russia did. They lost 50 to 60 men for every one we lost. Poland lost 10 for every one we lost. As a percentage of our population, we rank behind *Malta* and Ethiopia in lives lost. Little Lithuania lost almost as many people as we did. We didn't pay as dear a price as dozens of other nations did, with men every bit as brave as your great uncle.

The thing is - we entered the war QUITE late. We didn't even set foot on the continent until 1943. By that time, the Nazis were in full retreat in the East, and faced very little opposition in the West until D-Day.

Trying to claim that WE won WW2 would be like a linebacker claiming he won the Superbowl all by himself.

It's a common boast that "if it weren't for us Americans, y'all would be speaking German today" but it doesn't square with history. Between 70 and 100 million brave people lost their lives in that conflict, and we lost half a million after missing half the war. It's just arrogance to claim we won it ourselves.

I agree with most of what you say....but America was the driving force behind all victories in Europe(fact, not arrogance).......My uncle died a sad, humble, shell of a man a few years ago........God rest his soul.

I'm sure he'd have a nice talk with my grandfather who fought at Corregidor, survived the Bataan Death March and was a POW for 3.5 years in Japan.

We had brave men fight and die there - but we didn't pay nearly the price in blood that nations like Russia did. They lost 50 to 60 men for every one we lost. Poland lost 10 for every one we lost. As a percentage of our population, we rank behind *Malta* and Ethiopia in lives lost. Little Lithuania lost almost as many people as we did. We didn't pay as dear a price as dozens of other nations did, with men every bit as brave as your great uncle.

The thing is - we entered the war QUITE late. We didn't even set foot on the continent until 1943. By that time, the Nazis were in full retreat in the East, and faced very little opposition in the West until D-Day.

Trying to claim that WE won WW2 would be like a linebacker claiming he won the Superbowl all by himself.

It's a common boast that "if it weren't for us Americans, y'all would be speaking German today" but it doesn't square with history. Between 70 and 100 million brave people lost their lives in that conflict, and we lost half a million after missing half the war. It's just arrogance to claim we won it ourselves.

While Germany was losing on the eastern front, they could have regrouped and countered ... except for the western front being opened by .... uh ... I have the answer somewhere ... oh ... U.S. and allies .. and the southern front being opened by the ... uh ... I have the answer on the tip of my tongue.

U.S. air power made a vary big difference in the war. It was U.S. bombers that blew up the ball bearing factories and disrupted the heavy industry of Germany.

I'll bet the names on the WWII memorial in Washington DC and other US European veterans cemeteries tell a different story!!!

Allied Forces (in order of entry into the war)


Country Pop. Killed/Mising Wounded Total(Military) Civilian (deaths)



China 450m 1.3 million 1.8 million 3.1 million 9 million
Poland 35m 130,000 200,000 330,000 2.5million
U.K. 48m 400,000 300,000 700,000 60,000
France 42m 250,000 350,000 600,000 270,000
Australia 7m 30,000 40,000 70,000 --
India 360m 36,000 64,000 100,000 --
New Zealand 2m 10,000 20,000 30,000 --
So. Africa 10m 9,000 14,000 23,000 --
Canada 11m 42,000 50,000 92,000 --
Denmark 4m 2,000 ? ? 1,000
Norway 3m 10,000 ? ? 6,000
Belgium 8m 12,000 16,000 28,000 100,000
Holland 9m 14,000 7,000 21,000 250,000
Greece 7m 90,000 ? ? 400,000
Yugoslavia 15m 320,000 ? ? 1.3million
U.S.S.R. 194m 9 million 18 million 27 million 19 million
U.S.A. 129m 300,000 300,000 600,000 --

Ummm...for one thing, that includes Europe and the Pacific. Also, did you happen to look at the USSR's numbers? Or how about China's?

Tell my Great Uncle who fought in The Battle Of The Bulge that, who came home shell shocked and never was the same.....big time......:buttkick:

...that that is horrible. We celebrate the defeat of Naziism to justify so much suffering and loss and tell ourselves it HAD to be, we HAD to fight. The fact of the matter is that of all the nations swallowed up by the Soviets after WWII, they nearly all feared Soviet domination more than they did that of the Germans.

The second worst mass murderer was defeated to the benefit of the worst.

...the saving bacon comment was mine. I said it in context of the Brits. They do not think we saved them. They think they would have won without us. Fact is, without is coming in they would have had to sue for peace or starve to death and their last visit with armed troops to the continent would have been Dunkirk.

The Soviets defeated the Germans. We helped. The Brits were along for the ride. What Sam is saying, correctly, is that the best we did was save at least some of Europe from Soviet domination. Thin gruel for defeating Hitler, but, commensurate with our share of the load.

You gotta remember we and Britain sold out nation after nation to Stalin in exchange for their cooperation.

...that that is horrible. We celebrate the defeat of Naziism to justify so much suffering and loss and tell ourselves it HAD to be, we HAD to fight. The fact of the matter is that of all the nations swallowed up by the Soviets after WWII, they nearly all feared Soviet domination more than they did that of the Germans.

The second worst mass murderer was defeated to the benefit of the worst.

All correct facts there, Larry, can't argue....:coffee:

Or his grandaddy, that supported Hitler.


/godwinned!
a bunch of people supported Hitler before they were against him.

I agree with most of what you say....but America was the driving force behind all victories in Europe(fact, not arrogance).......My uncle died a sad, humble, shell of a man a few years ago........God rest his soul.

...simply not true. By December 1941 Hitler was stalled at the outskirts of Moscow and we were not in the fight yet. Everything in the East was downhill for the Germans from there. We certainly helped, a great deal, in hurting Germany, thus helping the Soviets, but Hitler was getting tossed out of Soviet territory one way or another be it an additional year or two or even more. At best, absent us, Hitler may have had himself a stalemate with Joe, but it would have been back on Germany's side of the border.

The German high water mark was the end of 1941.

All correct facts there, Larry, can't argue....:coffee:

...is forever fascinating. We had NO business whatsoever going into WWI. Germany and France and Britain had fought themselves to a standstill and France was on the verge of trying to find a way for peace with Germany and Britain had had about enough as well.

We came in, turned the tide from stalemate to probable allied victory, Germany, with not ONE enemy solider on her soil decided for peace under Wilson's 14 points, war over, and Britain and France told Wilson to get lost and started WWII at Versailles.

What if.

Ummm...for one thing, that includes Europe and the Pacific. Also, did you happen to look at the USSR's numbers? Or how about China's?


The amount of casualties is not necessarily a measurement of ones success in war, it can also be an indication of your countries close call at anialation... :coffee:

The amount of casualties is not necessarily a measurement of ones success in war, it can also be an indication of your countries close call at anialation... :coffee:

Then what was your point in posting them? :confused:

Then what was your point in posting them? :confused:



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And, by your own admission ("The amount of casualties is not necessarily a measurement of ones success in war"), those numbers prove absolutely nothing. :shrug: