Left-wing women: Stop impaling Sarah Palin

BY S.E. Cupp

Saturday, September 20th 2008, 12:07 PM
Burbank/AP


I have a message for the self-styled guardians of womanhood who have decided that Sarah Palin is public enemy No. 1 - please stop talking. You're embarrassing yourselves and women all over the country.

You are making otherwise thoughtful, careful, intelligent, tolerant and modern American women of every political bent look and sound ridiculous. As a woman myself, I'm begging you to stop. Put the pen down, close out the blog, push the E! microphone away. Your trash-talking is disturbing and humiliating. In fact, it's setting back the true cause of feminism - the advancement of women - far more than your imagined nemesis.

Stop using and abusing Palin to pump up your own overweening egos. You are not the next Sojourner Truth, and Palin is not your next punch line. She's a mother, a governor, a wife and, yes, a real woman, whether you like it or not.

Cupp: Left-wing women: Stop impaling Sarah Palin (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/20/2008-09-20_cupp_leftwing_women_stop_impaling_sarah_.html)

Left-wing women: Stop impaling Sarah Palin

BY S.E. Cupp

Saturday, September 20th 2008, 12:07 PM
Burbank/AP


I have a message for the self-styled guardians of womanhood who have decided that Sarah Palin is public enemy No. 1 - please stop talking. You're embarrassing yourselves and women all over the country.

You are making otherwise thoughtful, careful, intelligent, tolerant and modern American women of every political bent look and sound ridiculous. As a woman myself, I'm begging you to stop. Put the pen down, close out the blog, push the E! microphone away. Your trash-talking is disturbing and humiliating. In fact, it's setting back the true cause of feminism - the advancement of women - far more than your imagined nemesis.

Stop using and abusing Palin to pump up your own overweening egos. You are not the next Sojourner Truth, and Palin is not your next punch line. She's a mother, a governor, a wife and, yes, a real woman, whether you like it or not.

Cupp: Left-wing women: Stop impaling Sarah Palin (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/20/2008-09-20_cupp_leftwing_women_stop_impaling_sarah_.html)


It's not just the left-wing women. There were more women at that anti-Palin rally in Alaska than there are left-wing women in the entire state.

Good read, though.

Left-wing women: Stop impaling Sarah Palin

BY S.E. Cupp

Saturday, September 20th 2008, 12:07 PM
Burbank/AP


I have a message for the self-styled guardians of womanhood who have decided that Sarah Palin is public enemy No. 1 - please stop talking. You're embarrassing yourselves and women all over the country.

You are making otherwise thoughtful, careful, intelligent, tolerant and modern American women of every political bent look and sound ridiculous. As a woman myself, I'm begging you to stop. Put the pen down, close out the blog, push the E! microphone away. Your trash-talking is disturbing and humiliating. In fact, it's setting back the true cause of feminism - the advancement of women - far more than your imagined nemesis.

Stop using and abusing Palin to pump up your own overweening egos. You are not the next Sojourner Truth, and Palin is not your next punch line. She's a mother, a governor, a wife and, yes, a real woman, whether you like it or not.

Cupp: Left-wing women: Stop impaling Sarah Palin (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/09/20/2008-09-20_cupp_leftwing_women_stop_impaling_sarah_.html)

Good words to follow, or take into account.

These women - would seem to have a different agenda -that SOMEONE has told them to advance.

Guess what? It's the WRONG one!

Theyre just jealous.

Women dont get jealous of fugly women with cankles, but a good looking woman with brains is like waving a red flag to a bull.

Theyre just jealous.

Women dont get jealous of fugly women with cankles, but a good looking woman with brains is like waving a red flag to a bull.

Did you mean a Pit Bull? :killingme

It's not just the left-wing women. There were more women at that anti-Palin rally in Alaska than there are left-wing women in the entire state.

Good read, though.


I don't know about that, where'd you get your info? (not disputing it, just couldn't find anything to corroborate it)

I did read a couple of accounts that claimed the numbers were in the higher hundreds, but the organizers are the ones claiming 1500. And there were also 90 or 100 Palin supporters there.

It's not just the left-wing women. There were more women at that anti-Palin rally in Alaska than there are left-wing women in the entire state.

Good read, though.

I have to take exception to this. AS noted above, that 1400/1500 number was floated by the organizers, who go it by sending people through the crowd with clickers.

Heres a link to pics from that rally. Now, most folks have never actually been in a crowd that they know the nubers of for sure. Being in a Navy squadron, quite oftne, you get to see the whole 300 people around, during award ceremonies, retirements, that sort of thing, so you get a feel fo how big a crowd 300 people is.


http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/rally61.jpg

Trust me, not one of those photos shows a crowd any bigger than say 500 tops. And I'm being generous at that, My realistic estimate would be 300 or 400.

Women are more critical of other women than men are, just a fact!!! :coffee:

Women are more critical of other women than men are, just a fact!!! :coffee:

Women seemed to be most of Hillary's voters. The same isn't working for Palin. Magic, perhaps?

If women are so critical, mean, and irrational (as you're all suggesting)...then why is one qualified to be in office? I'm not saying that's my feeling, but you're all saying that these women are irrational and having little hissy fits, which is debasing all of these women as if they don't have a mind of their own. If you feel like they're so stupid that most women just want to have catfights and aren't logical, then how can you be so sure that Sarah Palin is any different? By the way, there's a chance that after she gets into office she'll be hitting menopause. Are you guys REALLY comfortable with that? You're not even comfortable with your wives when they hit menopause. Feel free to ignore that.

But I guess if Palin was a Democrat running for office, this is exactly what you'd all be saying for why she is unworthy of being elected. I love it how the die-hard Conservatives are stuck fostering a female candidate so American can watch their years of anti-women sentiment turn around in one fine campaign of hypocrisy :yahoo:

Women seemed to be most of Hillary's voters. The same isn't working for Palin. Magic, perhaps?

If women are so critical, mean, and irrational (as you're all suggesting)...then why is one qualified to be in office? I'm not saying that's my feeling, but you're all saying that these women are irrational and having little hissy fits, which is debasing all of these women as if they don't have a mind of their own. If you feel like they're so stupid that most women just want to have catfights and aren't logical, then how can you be so sure that Sarah Palin is any different? By the way, there's a chance that after she gets into office she'll be hitting menopause. Are you guys REALLY comfortable with that? You're not even comfortable with your wives when they hit menopause. Feel free to ignore that.

But I guess if Palin was a Democrat running for office, this is exactly what you'd all be saying for why she is unworthy of being elected. I love it how the die-hard Conservatives are stuck fostering a female candidate so American can watch their years of anti-women sentiment turn around in one fine campaign of hypocrisy :yahoo:

What a load of crap. I've personally voiced (posted) my support of various Conservative women on this forum. As a Conservative woman myself, I'm not anti-women (in general) at all.

What I am is anti "feminist" type of women, anti "women's movement" type of women, and anti "NOW" type of women.

That is why I'm PRO Sarah Palin and ANTI Hillary. There are a lot of women like me in this country who are happy to see someone like Sarah Palin be given the chance she's got. And that is why all the "feminists" are madly running around like chickens with their heads cut off :jameo: trying to discredit her & destroy her.

I have to take exception to this. AS noted above, that 1400/1500 number was floated by the organizers, who go it by sending people through the crowd with clickers.

Heres a link to pics from that rally. Now, most folks have never actually been in a crowd that they know the nubers of for sure. Being in a Navy squadron, quite oftne, you get to see the whole 300 people around, during award ceremonies, retirements, that sort of thing, so you get a feel fo how big a crowd 300 people is.


http://mudflats.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/rally61.jpg

Trust me, not one of those photos shows a crowd any bigger than say 500 tops. And I'm being generous at that, My realistic estimate would be 300 or 400.
Thank you! "Biggest rally in Alaska" :killingme
A small bunch of Bammy luvin dykes get together and it's billed as huge. :killingme These bloggers are moonbats.

Me drink koolaidOh look!! Kookrad created an MPD! :killingme :sawrightthroughthisone:

you're all saying that these women are irrational and having little hissy fits, which is debasing all of these women as if they don't have a mind of their own.

pretty much :shrug:

Women seemed to be most of Hillary's voters. The same isn't working for Palin. Magic, perhaps?

If women are so critical, mean, and irrational (as you're all suggesting)...then why is one qualified to be in office? I'm not saying that's my feeling, but you're all saying that these women are irrational and having little hissy fits, which is debasing all of these women as if they don't have a mind of their own. If you feel like they're so stupid that most women just want to have catfights and aren't logical, then how can you be so sure that Sarah Palin is any different? By the way, there's a chance that after she gets into office she'll be hitting menopause. Are you guys REALLY comfortable with that? You're not even comfortable with your wives when they hit menopause. Feel free to ignore that.

But I guess if Palin was a Democrat running for office, this is exactly what you'd all be saying for why she is unworthy of being elected. I love it how the die-hard Conservatives are stuck fostering a female candidate so American can watch their years of anti-women sentiment turn around in one fine campaign of hypocrisy :yahoo:

If Palin was running as a Democrat, she wouldn't be holding the values that she does. She'd have values like Hillary, which we criticize. Sharing a pillow with someone doesn't give you executive experience, such as Hillary claims. If that were true, Barbara Bush is more qualified than Hillary.

And FYI, I was actually happy when my wife hit menopause, it meant her chemotherapy was working.

It's too bad we can't have keyboards that zap folks who post stupid comments such as this to which I'm responding. Just a mild shock to wake up their brains.

Women seemed to be most of Hillary's voters. The same isn't working for Palin. Magic, perhaps?

If women are so critical, mean, and irrational (as you're all suggesting)...then why is one qualified to be in office? I'm not saying that's my feeling, but you're all saying that these women are irrational and having little hissy fits, which is debasing all of these women as if they don't have a mind of their own. If you feel like they're so stupid that most women just want to have catfights and aren't logical, then how can you be so sure that Sarah Palin is any different? By the way, there's a chance that after she gets into office she'll be hitting menopause. Are you guys REALLY comfortable with that? You're not even comfortable with your wives when they hit menopause. Feel free to ignore that.

But I guess if Palin was a Democrat running for office, this is exactly what you'd all be saying for why she is unworthy of being elected. I love it how the die-hard Conservatives are stuck fostering a female candidate so American can watch their years of anti-women sentiment turn around in one fine campaign of hypocrisy :yahoo:

To me this is becoming like a certain sect of the black community that rejects any a black person for becoming successful and calling them Uncle Tom. There is obviously a specific sect of women that hold some very radical thinking in terms of what defines a woman. If a woman becomes successful that strays from this narrow philosophy all heck breaks loose. And it’s not because these women are critical, or mean, or irrational (well, maybe they are a little irrational); it’s because they have been so engrained in and obsessed with their beliefs that it’s impossible for them to believe that any women could think contrary to them.

Whether the "women's movement" wants to recognize it or not Sarah Palin defines what women have worked for in rights, strength and equality. She goes beyond the women's movement paradigm of getting out of the home and achieving what men have achieved. Sarah Palin’s example shows us that women can do it all. They’ve already been doing this anyway. But now we have one that could hold our highest office. This should be a beacon of hope for all women; but the radical sect of the women’s movement wont have it because she doesn’t fall within their narrow definition of their agenda. What an embarrassment.

To me this is becoming like a certain sect of the black community that rejects any a black person for becoming successful and calling them Uncle Tom. There is obviously a specific sect of women that hold some very radical thinking in terms of what defines a woman. If a woman becomes successful that strays from this narrow philosophy all heck breaks loose. And it’s not because these women are critical, or mean, or irrational (well, maybe they are a little irrational); it’s because they have been so engrained in and obsessed with their beliefs that it’s impossible for them to believe that any women could think contrary to them.

Whether the "women's movement" wants to recognize it or not Sarah Palin defines what women have worked for in rights, strength and equality. She goes beyond the women's movement paradigm of getting out of the home and achieving what men have achieved. Sarah Palin’s example shows us that women can do it all. They’ve already been doing this anyway. But now we have one that could hold our highest office. This should be a beacon of hope for all women; but the radical sect of the women’s movement wont have it because she doesn’t fall within their narrow definition of their agenda. What an embarrassment.

Well written post. You should have your own blog!

Well written post. You should have your own blog!

I do have a myspace. Does that count? :whistle:

There are so many people on here that much more articulate AND educated than I am (i.e. Larry, SamSpade). But I appreciate it.

Sarah Palin is the Republican candidate for VP. Anyone who does not think she cannot or should not be criticized up and down and every which way obviously does not like the way elections are run in this country.
Mudslinging happens and if you do not like it because it is your candidate being 'attacked' that makes you a hypocrite. I personally do not like it at all and turn the channel every time one of those stupid ads comes on TV no matter who is being attacked. I wish people would take all this anti (insert candidate name here) crap and put that energy into the candidate they do want but unfortunately mudslinging works--if only I could comprehend why :shrug: .
But that being said it happens and I am so tired of hearing people whine and complain because it is their candidate being attacked only to turn around and do the same thing to the other parties candidate.
If s/he cannot stand being criticized then maybe s/he should not have agreed to run--BTW I think both Obama and Pailn are doing fine with taking the heat. It just goes with running for office.

In fact, it's setting back the true cause of feminism - the advancement of women - far more than your imagined nemesis.

...and Palin is not your next punch line. She's a mother, a governor, a wife and, yes, a real woman, whether you like it or not.

So, women who disagree with or criticize Sarah Palin and her politics are being anti-feminist and not supporting women?

How is saying that women can't criticize Palin because she is also a woman any different from the equally messed up view of saying, say, blacks can't criticize Obama because he is also black?

She's a mother, a governor, a wife, and a real woman, yes, and in addition to all this, she's a politician who is running for a national office, and we can criticize that crap out of her just as much as we can Obama, McCain, or Biden. They are real fathers, senators, husbands, and men, and if we really want to prove that women have what it takes to play in this arena no one should pull their punches just because they're afraid it might what, hurt her feelings? I disagree with any purely sexist attacks on Palin just as I did with those on Clinton, and with those who say "she's setting back women," because that doesn't make sense. But to say that a woman who doesn't like Palin isn't a real woman is misguided and wrong.

Seriously. I hated it when Hilary and her supporters attempted to say "The attacks on me are purely sexist waahhh bawww," and I hate it that the Palin camp is saying it now, especially when Palin herself very articulately criticized Hilary for such complaints in the past. I guess all bets are off now that she's the one under fire.

Sarah Palin is the Republican candidate for VP. Anyone who does not think she cannot or should not be criticized up and down and every which way obviously does not like the way elections are run in this country.
Mudslinging happens and if you do not like it because it is your candidate being 'attacked' that makes you a hypocrite. I personally do not like it at all and turn the channel every time one of those stupid ads comes on TV no matter who is being attacked. I wish people would take all this anti (insert candidate name here) crap and put that energy into the candidate they do want but unfortunately mudslinging works--if only I could comprehend why :shrug: .
But that being said it happens and I am so tired of hearing people whine and complain because it is their candidate being attacked only to turn around and do the same thing to the other parties candidate.
If s/he cannot stand being criticized then maybe s/he should not have agreed to run--BTW I think both Obama and Pailn are doing fine with taking the heat. It just goes with running for office.

It’s not the criticism. It’s the hypocrisy. There is a very sect of women that want to determine, in a very narrow and politically specific way, what falls within their definition of feminism. The movement provided the means for ALL women to succeed. Palin has done so but, now, shows a certain moral stance on certain issues that falls contrary to today’s movement. You can’t plant a tree and demand the roots only grow a specific way.

To me this is becoming like a certain sect of the black community that rejects any a black person for becoming successful and calling them Uncle Tom.

Well, I would disagree with you that the black community rejects any black person for becoming successful. Unfortunately, there are many blacks in politics who reject other blacks for not supporting black candidates.

This can work both ways, though. There are those in a community (in this case, women) who, because Sarah Palin does not embody their specific idea of what a feminist politician should be, reject her and her supporters, like you said. And then, there are women - like the one who wrote this article - who are doing the exact same thing that some blacks do when a black voter doesn't support a black politician - calling them "not a real black," or in this case, "not a real woman." I fail to see how this is any better.

Well, I would disagree with you that the black community rejects any black person for becoming successful. Unfortunately, there are many blacks in politics who reject other blacks for not supporting black candidates.

I suppose I wasn’t specific enough. If you are a successful black person and don’t fall within the victimhood-Jesse Jackson-Al Sharpton sect of the black community you will be summarily rejected by that group. And they are a large group within the black community. It was only meant as a comparison and not to ridicule the black community as a whole.

This can work both ways, though. There are those in a community (in this case, women) who, because Sarah Palin does not embody their specific idea of what a feminist politician should be, reject her and her supporters, like you said. And then, there are women - like the one who wrote this article - who are doing the exact same thing that some blacks do when a black voter doesn't support a black politician - calling them "not a real black," or in this case, "not a real woman." I fail to see how this is any better.

:confused:

:confused:

Haha, sorry. Here's what I'm saying.

You have a black candidate. A lot of blacks are supporting him. Some blacks aren't. The blacks who aren't supporting the black candidate come under fire from some more radical members of the black community, being called "Uncle Toms" or "not real blacks" because they are not supporting this black candidate just because he is black. You criticize (and so do I) members of the black community who ostracize black voters who aren't supporting the black candidate. This is the example you pointed out. I'm saying it works both ways, like...

...Now, you have a woman candidate. A lot of women are supporting her. A lot of women aren't. In the article produced by the OP, the opinion is expressed by a woman criticizing women who don't support the woman candidate just because she is a woman, calling them "not real women," and stroking their own egos. Why is it okay to expect blacks, Asians, hispanics, etc. to be able to vote outside of racial lines, and then allow women to call other women "anti-feminist" and "embarassments" because they don't vote purely on gender lines?

That's really what the original article is supporting, voting purely on gender lines. The same conservative writers who probably criticized women for blindly following Hillary is now criticizing women for not blindly developing girl-crushes on Palin. That's hypocrisy for you.

It’s not the criticism. It’s the hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy---in an election?? :faint::shocking:
:lol:

Hypocrisy---in an election?? :faint::shocking:
:lol:

Touché

To me this is becoming like a certain sect of the black community that rejects any a black person for becoming successful and calling them Uncle Tom. There is obviously a specific sect of women that hold some very radical thinking in terms of what defines a woman. If a woman becomes successful that strays from this narrow philosophy all heck breaks loose. And it’s not because these women are critical, or mean, or irrational (well, maybe they are a little irrational); it’s because they have been so engrained in and obsessed with their beliefs that it’s impossible for them to believe that any women could think contrary to them.

Whether the "women's movement" wants to recognize it or not Sarah Palin defines what women have worked for in rights, strength and equality. She goes beyond the women's movement paradigm of getting out of the home and achieving what men have achieved. Sarah Palin’s example shows us that women can do it all. They’ve already been doing this anyway. But now we have one that could hold our highest office. This should be a beacon of hope for all women; but the radical sect of the women’s movement wont have it because she doesn’t fall within their narrow definition of their agenda. What an embarrassment.

:yay:

So, women who disagree with or criticize Sarah Palin and her politics are being anti-feminist and not supporting women?

How is saying that women can't criticize Palin because she is also a woman any different from the equally messed up view of saying, say, blacks can't criticize Obama because he is also black?

She's a mother, a governor, a wife, and a real woman, yes, and in addition to all this, she's a politician who is running for a national office, and we can criticize that crap out of her just as much as we can Obama, McCain, or Biden. They are real fathers, senators, husbands, and men, and if we really want to prove that women have what it takes to play in this arena no one should pull their punches just because they're afraid it might what, hurt her feelings? I disagree with any purely sexist attacks on Palin just as I did with those on Clinton, and with those who say "she's setting back women," because that doesn't make sense. But to say that a woman who doesn't like Palin isn't a real woman is misguided and wrong.

Seriously. I hated it when Hilary and her supporters attempted to say "The attacks on me are purely sexist waahhh bawww," and I hate it that the Palin camp is saying it now, especially when Palin herself very articulately criticized Hilary for such complaints in the past. I guess all bets are off now that she's the one under fire.

The article is longer than the excerpt I posted. The article is about impaling Palin. Not about disagreeing with her on the issues. There have been some pretty ugly & vicious attacks, for sure. Fine - politics ain't bean bag. But there are also many so-called feminists who are out there saying she's putting feminism back 50 years, she's ruining the feminist cause, etc. because of the way she chooses to manage a home & a family & work outside the home. Not to mention the fact that she knew she would give birth to a baby with a birth defect and chose to do that, instead of choosing another alternative.

And the Conservative women (for the most part) in this country are behind her because of who she is and the way she has chosen to pursue her life. The Liberal women (for the most part) of this country are not - but they seem to be out to destroy her in order to get her out of the way.

Well I would not lump all fems in that category. I am a feminist. I pretty much agree with most of NOW's positions on their issues. I do not like Palin's political views at all. But I still respect her choice to make those decisions. And I was embarrassed by my fellow fems who criticized her for running because of her family life. I argued (on another board that tends to be very liberal) that you would not criticized the CEO of Ebay for her personal family decisions, or a female doctor for trying to find a suitable balance between work and home, etc.

I remember taking a sociology class in college and discussing the idea of visibility and my professor said that a lot of the time the visible opinion is not always the majority opinion in a group but for some reason the visible opinion is more interesting so it gets more attention--all of this is not an exact quote. I am trying to remember one lecture from one class from almost 10 years ago.

Women seemed to be most of Hillary's voters. The same isn't working for Palin. Magic, perhaps?

If women are so critical, mean, and irrational (as you're all suggesting)...then why is one qualified to be in office? I'm not saying that's my feeling, but you're all saying that these women are irrational and having little hissy fits, which is debasing all of these women as if they don't have a mind of their own. If you feel like they're so stupid that most women just want to have catfights and aren't logical, then how can you be so sure that Sarah Palin is any different? By the way, there's a chance that after she gets into office she'll be hitting menopause. Are you guys REALLY comfortable with that? You're not even comfortable with your wives when they hit menopause. Feel free to ignore that.

But I guess if Palin was a Democrat running for office, this is exactly what you'd all be saying for why she is unworthy of being elected. I love it how the die-hard Conservatives are stuck fostering a female candidate so American can watch their years of anti-women sentiment turn around in one fine campaign of hypocrisy :yahoo:

Yeah, because Palin didn't ride her husbands coat tail.. she wasn't "someone's wife" she was Mayor Palin, Councilman Palin, and Governor Palin.. Not Governor Palin's wife, or President Palins wife.. who carpet bagged her way to a Senate Seat on her husband's coattails.. and then Hillary's OWN PARTY choses someone not the least bit qualified to be President over her.. he's never been ANYONE"s wife.

I could see why the Hillary supporters are so loyal to the Democrat party.

Well I would not lump all fems in that category. I am a feminist. I pretty much agree with most of NOW's positions on their issues.
Name two or three of these issues if you will...

The article is longer than the excerpt I posted. The article is about impaling Palin. Not about disagreeing with her on the issues. There have been some pretty ugly & vicious attacks, for sure. Fine - politics ain't bean bag. But there are also many so-called feminists who are out there saying she's putting feminism back 50 years, she's ruining the feminist cause, etc. because of the way she chooses to manage a home & a family & work outside the home. Not to mention the fact that she knew she would give birth to a baby with a birth defect and chose to do that, instead of choosing another alternative.

And the Conservative women (for the most part) in this country are behind her because of who she is and the way she has chosen to pursue her life. The Liberal women (for the most part) of this country are not - but they seem to be out to destroy her in order to get her out of the way.

And as I stated in my first post, I don't agree with the ugly vicious attacks saying Palin is setting feminism back, she's a terrible mother because she works outside the home, etc. etc. But it's a double standard to say that it is terrible for the collective anti-Palin women of the world to say such things about her, when the exact same things were said of Hilary Clinton when she was running, only then they were said by conservative women (generally) instead of liberal women. Why must the nastiness stop for Palin when it didn't stop for Clinton, Obama, McCain or even smears against McCain's wife Cindy? Because she's not used to it? Because she's younger? This article and others are claiming that the hard attacks on Palin are mostly targeted at her gender, or harsher because of her gender. While many are, most of them aren't.

You're saying it's a double standard for women to criticize Palin for being a "modern woman" - working outside the home, blah blah blah - because she doesn't conform to the radical feminist viewpoint in her politics. I agree. I also think it's a double standard to call women who criticize Palin arrogant, or non-feminist, or less of women, just because she is a woman and we shouldn't "pick on our own kind."

Name two or three of these issues if you will...
Ok I should say I agree with NOW's key issues. They have a position on pretty much every issue but it is the key ones to which I was referring.

Reproductive Rights
Lesbian (Gay) Rights
Ending Violence against Women

I am not saying Palin does not 'break the glass ceiling' because if they win she will. She will be the first female VP and I will be happy for the fact that a woman has made it to VP. That is something I think our country should be proud of no matter the politics involved.

I am not saying Palin does not 'break the glass ceiling' because if they win she will. She will be the first female VP and I will be happy for the fact that a woman has made it to VP. That is something I think our country should be proud of no matter the politics involved.

:buddies: Said it better than I could. Just don't tell us we're in favor of the glass ceiling because we don't like her politics.

And as I stated in my first post, I don't agree with the ugly vicious attacks saying Palin is setting feminism back, she's a terrible mother because she works outside the home, etc. etc. But it's a double standard to say that it is terrible for the collective anti-Palin women of the world to say such things about her, when the exact same things were said of Hilary Clinton when she was running, only then they were said by conservative women (generally) instead of liberal women. Why must the nastiness stop for Palin when it didn't stop for Clinton, Obama, McCain or even smears against McCain's wife Cindy? Because she's not used to it? Because she's younger? This article and others are claiming that the hard attacks on Palin are mostly targeted at her gender, or harsher because of her gender. While many are, most of them aren't.

You're saying it's a double standard for women to criticize Palin for being a "modern woman" - working outside the home, blah blah blah - because she doesn't conform to the radical feminist viewpoint in her politics. I agree. I also think it's a double standard to call women who criticize Palin arrogant, or non-feminist, or less of women, just because she is a woman and we shouldn't "pick on our own kind."

I never said anything about the nastiness - I said I (as I have since posting here) politics ain't beanbag - so the nastiness, while nasty, is just how politics is. Even Sarah Palin isn't whining about that - she said so herself. I believe some of it is over the top, but then again - she's not whining.

The Conservative women (as a whole) are not the ones creating the double-standard RE: criticism of a female candidate. The Liberal women are the ones doing that. They act as though they own the entire women's movement lock, stock & barrel & have the last word on anything about it.

Pick away all you want about Sarah. I daresay she may well be the best thing to happen to women in politics since Margaret Thatcher. And I'm sure like the Iron Lady, she will be able to take anything Liberal women or men dish out. Heck - she field dresses moose! :lmao:

Ok I should say I agree with NOW's key issues. They have a position on pretty much every issue but it is the key ones to which I was referring.

Reproductive Rights
Lesbian (Gay) Rights
Ending Violence against Women

I am not saying Palin does not 'break the glass ceiling' because if they win she will. She will be the first female VP and I will be happy for the fact that a woman has made it to VP. That is something I think our country should be proud of no matter the politics involved.

1) Reproductive Rights.. Does Palin say she'll abide by the Constitution? Does the VP have the power/ authority fo change or make amenedment to the Constituition? In fact her PERSONAL belief maybe pro-life, but politically she has siad she won't try to overturn Roe v Wade (not that she can anyways).

2) Lesbian Rights? Like what? They can work, they can buy homes, they can do anything I can do.. matter of fact in a lot of cases they can do more. They don't get a job, they can say "It's because I'm a Lesbian" and sue.

3) Ending Violence against women? Isn't it already against the law? It's the women themselves that need to stand up for themselves. Of course Hillary was the perfect role model there. I'm sure if Mr Palin tried to strike Sarah OR one of their daughters, he would be praying for the cops to get there SOON!


Like I said before.. You can have Hillary as your daughers role model, she portrays the perfect victim standing by her man all smiles and hugs, showing women how they are supposed to be when their husband is a cheating lying ass, or you can have Sarah be your daughters role model. Self made woman, not the wife of... but plain and simple.. Governor Palin, or Mayor Palin.. or VP Palin. Didn't have a silver spoon in her mouth growing up, didn't have a famous husband to ride the coattails of. No IV league school. She fought, and worked hard, and got to where she is all by herself, despite NOW.

1) Reproductive Rights.. Does Palin say she'll abide by the Constitution? Does the VP have the power/ authority fo change or make amenedment to the Constituition? In fact her PERSONAL belief maybe pro-life, but politically she has siad she won't try to overturn Roe v Wade (not that she can anyways).

2) Lesbian Rights? Like what? They can work, they can buy homes, they can do anything I can do.. matter of fact in a lot of cases they can do more. They don't get a job, they can say "It's because I'm a Lesbian" and sue.

3) Ending Violence against women? Isn't it already against the law? It's the women themselves that need to stand up for themselves. Of course Hillary was the perfect role model there. I'm sure if Mr Palin tried to strike Sarah OR one of their daughters, he would be praying for the cops to get there SOON!


Like I said before.. You can have Hillary as your daughers role model, she portrays the perfect victim standing by her man all smiles and hugs, showing women how they are supposed to be when their husband is a cheating lying ass, or you can have Sarah be your daughters role model. Self made woman, not the wife of... but plain and simple.. Governor Palin, or Mayor Palin.. or VP Palin. Didn't have a silver spoon in her mouth growing up, didn't have a famous husband to ride the coattails of. No IV league school. She fought, and worked hard, and got to where she is all by herself, despite NOW.

Why do you assume that I love Hillary? I may have said out of the three (Obama, McCain, Clinton) she was the lesser of the evils to me personally but I am still not a fan of hers. I have little respect for groups that try and dig every every little piece of dirt that looks bad.
My favorite candidate of all and the one that almost aliigns with my views 100% was Lieberman though I knew that he was never going to make it.

Pick away all you want about Sarah. I daresay she may well be the best thing to happen to women in politics since Margaret Thatcher. And I'm sure like the Iron Lady, she will be able to take anything Liberal women or men dish out. Heck - she field dresses moose! :lmao:

I agree with you - she's a great thing for women in politics. Self-made, making it very far, with a serious bid for the first female position in the White House. I'm not denying what she's doing breaking boundaries for women in politics. We're all happy on this point. I would never go so far as to call her our Thatcher, but that's just a matter of personal perceptions.

But the fact that I don't like her as a politician doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what she's doing for women. Lol. That's all I'm saying. So I will continue to applaud what she does for women in the field, while I criticize her viewpoints happily. Thank you.

No IV league school.

Oh for pity's sake. Side digression: There are richer people at Virginia Tech. Lay off the Ivies and elite military academies, attending one does not mean one has privileged origins and it does not mean you were "born with a silver spoon in your mouth." 'K thanks.

My favorite candidate of all and the one that almost aliigns with my views 100% was Lieberman though I knew that he was never going to make it.

And the person Lieberman believes more aligns with his views is McCain.

I will bet money right now, if Obama is elected, he will have a cabinet full of his friends and cronies, and they will ALL be democrats. (I'll even bet Hillary and/or Bill have already been promised (read: paid for) a cabinet position) Anything to further his party.

If McCain gets elected, I bet he'll also have friends and cronies on his cabinet, but the most important seats will be across the aisle. I bet he'll have Republicans (mostly), but will also have independents, and democrats on his cabinet.

In other words he'll yet again buck the system, and do what he thinks is right for the country not the best for his party. He'll piss a lot of people off in his party, probably ruin any and all chances of getting the nomination the second time around.. but I bet he does it anyways. (I for one believe we'll see Lieberman in a cabinet position)

Funny thing.....even the republicans don't think Palin was the best choice.
Ben Smith's Blog: Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over' - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html)

Funny thing.....even the republicans don't think Palin was the best choice.
Ben Smith's Blog: Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over' - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html)

I'm a Republican and I think she's the best choice. :yay:

I'm a Republican and I think she's the best choice. :yay:
I'm a democrat, and think she's the best choice.

I'm a Republican and I think she's the best choice. :yay:


I'm a democrat, and think she's the best choice.

I'm a NOW donor and think she should be home barefoot and pregnant!

Funny thing.....even the republicans don't think Palin was the best choice.
Ben Smith's Blog: Noonan, Murphy trash Palin on hot mike: 'It's over' - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Noonan_Murphy_trash_Palin_on_hot_mic_Its_over.html)

Peggy did no such thing.

You're about 19 days late in the posting your news flash. Peggy wrote about it here (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2IyOTRlNGIxNTY4OTZkZjllZWYzYzkwNDRhOTYwYTc=) - and of course, the link is at the bottom of the link to the article you posted.

Peggy did no such thing.

You're about 19 days late in the posting your news flash. Peggy wrote about it here (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2IyOTRlNGIxNTY4OTZkZjllZWYzYzkwNDRhOTYwYTc=) - and of course, the link is at the bottom of the link to the article you posted.

Who says it was a news flash?