I still don't know who to vote for.

I don't like or trust Obama. I don't like McCain either, and Sarah Palin just gets on my nerves. (My daughter calls her Mrs. Folksy Moose Killer. :lol:)

If I think about their platforms, I have issues with and like some things about both.

I know I certainly don't want Obama to represent this country. For many reasons that I won't go into because you guys have already batted most of them back and forth enough. I'd write in Larry Gude or Vrai if I thought I could, but I feel like any vote that's not for McCain is one for Obama. :bawl:

I'm still confused and unsure and I hate just voting for the lesser of two evils.

I still don't know who to vote for.

I don't like or trust Obama. I don't like McCain either, and Sarah Palin just gets on my nerves. (My daughter calls her Mrs. Folksy Moose Killer. :lol:)

If I think about their platforms, I have issues with and like some things about both.

I know I certainly don't want Obama to represent this country. For many reasons that I won't go into because you guys have already batted most of them back and forth enough. I'd write in Larry Gude or Vrai if I thought I could, but I feel like any vote that's not for McCain is one for Obama. :bawl:

I'm still confused and unsure and I hate just voting for the lesser of two evils.


Well first let me tell you that Maryland is a Democratic State so we will probably go Democrat again since PG and Baltimore is majority Dem and they have bigger populations than we do....

Second here is something to think about...If Obama gets elected that will mean a Dem House and Senate and President.........imagine the damage that Obama, Pelosi and Barney Frank can do together with no checks and balances.......

Vote for the issues and not the candidates.

One guy has released his medical and education records, one has not
One has a long record of service to his country and one has a record of service to himself
One has provided proof of his citizenship, one has refused to do so even though sued in court.

Does anybody actually know who obama is?

I'd write in Larry Gude or Vrai if I thought I could, but I feel like any vote that's not for McCain is one for Obama. :bawl:

I think you just answered your own question. :huggy:

One has destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft
One has graduated almost at the bottom of the class from Officer training at Annapolis

I still don't know who to vote for.

I don't like or trust Obama. I don't like McCain either, and Sarah Palin just gets on my nerves. (My daughter calls her Mrs. Folksy Moose Killer. :lol:)

If I think about their platforms, I have issues with and like some things about both.

I know I certainly don't want Obama to represent this country. For many reasons that I won't go into because you guys have already batted most of them back and forth enough. I'd write in Larry Gude or Vrai if I thought I could, but I feel like any vote that's not for McCain is one for Obama. :bawl:

I'm still confused and unsure and I hate just voting for the lesser of two evils.


I'm sorry, but I really don't see how someone could really be undecided at this point in the PRESIDENTAL race. You obviously have the Internet, so you can go out and find the message of each candidate. The real message and not the ones from the entire Internet nut jobs (and there are a lot on both sides)... Vote w/ you heart, vote for the person who is more aligned w/ your views... The two candidates are so different; the choice should really be an easy one...........

One has destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft
One has graduated almost at the bottom of the class from Officer training at Annapolis



All while successfully conducting 23 combat missions over Viet Nam, and the cost of those planes is less than 1/3rd the cost Obama, Ayers, the Annenberg Fund, Wood Foundation lost ($148 million dollars) in funds provided that were suppose to help Chicago Schools. Most of the money was funneled off to special interest pockets and radical groups and in the end, Ayers declares the program was a failure and the money is gone. Most who managed these funds (Obama was the chairman) live in mansions now in exclusive Chicago neighborhoods. Including REV Wright who bought a 10 million dollar mansion after stepping down from radical Trinity Church. WOW, what's the salary of Reverends these days???

And Grades don't mean sh*t, some people are book smart and some are better at practical application, the Democrats use to trump Bush on his "C" grade till the Republicans found out John Kerry had lower grades, then the Democrats STFU!!!


And since Obama REFUSES to release his Columbia, Harvard, school transcripts and Thesis, how the hell do you know how good a student Obama was. Get off the Obama Kool-Aid, the only thing you know about Obama is what he wants you to know!!! Like Joe the plumber you should question Obama about it and see how much of the liberal media crawls up your ass with a microscope to discredit you verse getting an answer from Obama!!! :coffee:

One has destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft
One has graduated almost at the bottom of the class from Officer training at Annapolis

And one drinks, smokes pot, and does coke when stressed. Is that what you want in a President?

Hey, if you can throw out non-sensical, irrelevant BS so can I.

Try an issue for once instead of spewing your BS party line crap you get in emails.

Mystical, the only advice I can give is to ask yourself what issues matter the most to you, and then ask who will do the best for that issue.

My biggest issues: (in order):

National Security
Defense
Terrorism
Anti-socialism
Taxes

Then I asked myself which candidate is closest to my position on these issues.

Yes, it is the lesser of two evils, but it has been for decades. Just think how bad it's going to get.

Nothing stops you from writing in Larry or Vrai, but why waste the time going to the polls to do so.?

You seem to be strongly opposed to Obama from your statements. None of us are in love with McCain, but we know he is a patriot, His wife is proud to be American, we know Mccain will be bi-partisan, the Democrats loved him until he started running against their Messiah. We fear he will be too bi-partisan, but better a bi-partisan President than one so far on the left. Pelosi and Reid need some sort of buffer between them and a complete Dem takeover, even if its only Mccain.

Second here is something to think about...If Obama gets elected that will mean a Dem House and Senate and President.........imagine the damage that Obama, Pelosi and Barney Frank can do together with no checks and balances.......

This is my biggest problem with Obama.

The other problem is that he's lying about expanding the military. There has never been a Democrat president in my lifetime who did anything but gut the military and cut defense funding. That's why Jimmy Carter had such a hard time getting the hostages out of Iran, and why Bill Clinton had all these terrorism problems - 9/11 may have technically happened on Bush's watch, but it was Clinton's policies that allowed it to happen and, in fact, encouraged it.

Obama has said before that he intends to "streamline" military spending. He was quite clear. This was, of course, before he was taken to task and changed his position. If I were smarter, I'd have kept a blog of how many times his website has been rewritten to reflect Obama's latest positions.

AND, if he cuts military funding, defense contracting and weapons testing will be cut. Pax River, being a test center, will experience downsizing, unless Steny Hoyer (who has become something of a pariah in his party because Nancy Pelosi hates him) can save it like he did under Bill Clinton.

This means many of your jobs. It means my job. Even if you are a waitress, if you don't have customers, you won't be making any money. Could Pax River close? Possibly, but it will experience downsizing under an Obama presidency.

AND, referring back to my #1 concern, there will be no one to stop him from doing this.

I'm sure rouge nations trying to develop Weapons of Mass destruction and Intercontinental Ballistic Missile technology are praying for an Obama win!!!

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I'm sure rouge nations trying to develop Weapons of Mass destruction and Intercontinental Ballistic Missile technology are praying for an Obama win!!!

Which brings up another concern:

Where will they get the money to build their weapons programs?

Us.

Obama has said that he will double US foreign aid and "reduce global poverty". Now, presidents have been sending our money to third-world #### holes for as long as I can remember, and so far I haven't seen one bit of suffering alleviated. The dictators take that money and buy yachts for their playboy sons, and build up their weapons programs.

And one drinks, smokes pot, and does coke when stressed. Is that what you want in a President?

Every person has their relief methods. Who am I to judge what he uses? :shrug: I'd rather a leader who is stable-minded and snorts a line of coke now and again than a ticking bomb that's ready to go off at any moment. :yay:

This is my biggest problem with Obama.

The other problem is that he's lying about expanding the military. There has never been a Democrat president in my lifetime who did anything but gut the military and cut defense funding. That's why Jimmy Carter had such a hard time getting the hostages out of Iran, and why Bill Clinton had all these terrorism problems - 9/11 may have technically happened on Bush's watch, but it was Clinton's policies that allowed it to happen and, in fact, encouraged it.

Obama has said before that he intends to "streamline" military spending. He was quite clear. This was, of course, before he was taken to task and changed his position. If I were smarter, I'd have kept a blog of how many times his website has been rewritten to reflect Obama's latest positions.

AND, if he cuts military funding, defense contracting and weapons testing will be cut. Pax River, being a test center, will experience downsizing, unless Steny Hoyer (who has become something of a pariah in his party because Nancy Pelosi hates him) can save it like he did under Bill Clinton.

This means many of your jobs. It means my job. Even if you are a waitress, if you don't have customers, you won't be making any money. Could Pax River close? Possibly, but it will experience downsizing under an Obama presidency.

AND, referring back to my #1 concern, there will be no one to stop him from doing this.

It was a legitimate concern to me that my job was basically guaranteed if McCain takes office, and could theoretically go away if Obama is, but this isn't of enough concern for me to vote for McCain. Those of us willing to work 2 blue collar jobs instead of one white collar one should not be overly concerned about being laid off. :shrug:

Every person has their relief methods. Who am I to judge what he uses? :shrug: I'd rather a leader who is stable-minded and snorts a line of coke now and again than a ticking bomb that's ready to go off at any moment. :yay:



It was a legitimate concern to me that my job was basically guaranteed if McCain takes office, and could theoretically go away if Obama is, but this isn't of enough concern for me to vote for McCain. Those of us willing to work 2 blue collar jobs instead of one white collar one should not be overly concerned about being laid off. :shrug:

All while the no collar nonworkers sit back and enjoy the free ride!!! Rediculous...

Every person has their relief methods. Who am I to judge what he uses? :shrug: I'd rather a leader who is stable-minded and snorts a line of coke now and again than a ticking bomb that's ready to go off at any moment. :yay:



It was a legitimate concern to me that my job was basically guaranteed if McCain takes office, and could theoretically go away if Obama is, but this isn't of enough concern for me to vote for McCain. Those of us willing to work 2 blue collar jobs instead of one white collar one should not be overly concerned about being laid off. :shrug:

And there you have it. This is from an Obama supporter and I don't know if I could have laid it out any better myself.

All while the no collar nonworkers sit back and enjoy the free ride!!! Rediculous...

:rolleyes:

And there you have it. This is from an Obama supporter and I don't know if I could have laid it out any better myself.

:killingme

It was a legitimate concern to me that my job was basically guaranteed if McCain takes office, and could theoretically go away if Obama is, but this isn't of enough concern for me to vote for McCain. Those of us willing to work 2 blue collar jobs instead of one white collar one should not be overly concerned about being laid off.

And there's another aspect to consider:

If you are currently a blue collar worker with two jobs, struggling to support your family, what do you suppose your chances of becoming a white collar worker with one job will be? When his supporter is telling you that white collar workers will be laid off and working two blue collar jobs to survive?

And there's another aspect to consider:

If you are currently a blue collar worker with two jobs, struggling to support your family, what do you suppose your chances of becoming a white collar worker with one job will be? When his supporter is telling you that white collar workers will be laid off and working two blue collar jobs to survive?



Wouldn't working at McDonalds and Burger King be a conflict of interest? Sounds like some Supersize B/S... :killingme

And there's another aspect to consider:

If you are currently a blue collar worker with two jobs, struggling to support your family, what do you suppose your chances of becoming a white collar worker with one job will be? When his supporter is telling you that white collar workers will be laid off and working two blue collar jobs to survive?

:nono:
The white collars being laid off was ONLY referring to those of us individuals with military base jobs. :yay:

Should I have specified that? I thought it was obvious since we were talking about Pax River :shrug:

:nono:
The white collars being laid off was ONLY referring to those of us individuals with military base jobs. :yay:

Should I have specified that? I thought it was obvious since we were talking about Pax River :shrug:


With all the posting you've been doing, sounds like the government is getting screwed already!!! :coffee:

With all the posting you've been doing, sounds like the government is getting screwed already!!! :coffee:

1. you have no idea what I do
2. idk about you, but I get breaks where I work :shrug:

:nono:
The white collars being laid off was ONLY referring to those of us individuals with military base jobs. :yay:

Should I have specified that? I thought it was obvious since we were talking about Pax River :shrug:

Perfect example of how you're clueless as to how trickle down economics works.
You lose you white collar job and have to take 2 blues.
Will you be dining out as much?
Will you go buy a new car?
Will you buy a TV?
The waitress working her second blue collar job gets laid off
The factory worker in Detroit gets laid off

But that's OK because Bush didn't win another election :rolleyes:

Every person has their relief methods. Who am I to judge what he uses? :shrug: I'd rather a leader who is stable-minded and snorts a line of coke now and again than a ticking bomb that's ready to go off at any moment. :yay:



It was a legitimate concern to me that my job was basically guaranteed if McCain takes office, and could theoretically go away if Obama is, but this isn't of enough concern for me to vote for McCain. Those of us willing to work 2 blue collar jobs instead of one white collar one should not be overly concerned about being laid off. :shrug:

What makes you think there will be two blue collar jobs for you to work.?

White collar jobs arent the only ones that dissappear in a recession or depression.

:nono:
The white collars being laid off was ONLY referring to those of us individuals with military base jobs. :yay:

Should I have specified that? I thought it was obvious since we were talking about Pax River :shrug:

So if all those white collar jobs go away, what are the odds there will be one blue collar job left for you, much less two of them?

Perfect example of how you're clueless as to how trickle down economics works.
You lose you white collar job and have to take 2 blues.
Will you be dining out as much?
Will you go buy a new car?
Will you buy a TV?
The waitress working her second blue collar job gets laid off
The factory worker in Detroit gets laid off

But that's OK because Bush didn't win another election :rolleyes:

What makes you think there will be two blue collar jobs for you to work.?

White collar jobs arent the only ones that dissappear in a recession or depression.

So if all those white collar jobs go away, what are the odds there will be one blue collar job left for you, much less two of them?

Guess I'll just have to live off the government then :yahoo:


:rolleyes:
I could be wrong, go figure, but in my experience...there are ALMOST always jobs for those folks who are willing to look for them/work long, hard hours/get paid a minimum amount :coffee:

Perfect example of how you're clueless as to how trickle down economics works.
You lose you white collar job and have to take 2 blues.
Will you be dining out as much?
Will you go buy a new car?
Will you buy a TV?
The waitress working her second blue collar job gets laid off
The factory worker in Detroit gets laid off

But that's OK because Bush didn't win another election :rolleyes:

It always amazes me how some people can't see past the end of their nose.

When the area's largest source of employment downsizes, EVERYONE suffers. I can't fathom why these people don't understand that.

Guess I'll just have to live off the government then :yahoo:


:rolleyes:
I could be wrong, go figure, but in my experience...there are ALMOST always jobs for those folks who are willing to look for them/work long, hard hours/get paid a minimum amount :coffee:

:faint: Damn. I mean.... Damn.

Guess I'll just have to live off the government then :yahoo:


:rolleyes:
I could be wrong, go figure, but in my experience...there are ALMOST always jobs for those folks who are willing to look for them/work long, hard hours/get paid a minimum amount :coffee:

Not anymore! Illegal aliens have taken all those jobs, as Americans wouldn't work them :sarcasm:

Guess I'll just have to live off the government then :yahoo:
Bingo, there's you incentive to vote for obama.
Sit home, smoke weed and watch ophra

:rolleyes:
I could be wrong, go figure, but in my experience...there are ALMOST always jobs for those folks who are willing to look for them/work long, hard hours/get paid a minimum amount :coffee:
Yes, you could be wrong.

Not anymore! Illegal aliens have taken all those jobs, as Americans wouldn't work them :sarcasm:

Is Canada accepting applications? :ohwell:

:lol:

I could be wrong, go figure, but in my experience...there are ALMOST always jobs for those folks who are willing to look for them/work long, hard hours/get paid a minimum amount

There you go, folks! Straight from the Obama supporter. :yay:

Bingo, there's you incentive to vote for obama.
Sit home, smoke weed and watch ophra

Shoot. With my government-supplied cable network, I bet I could find something better to watch than Oprah :duh:

Shoot. With my government-supplied cable network, I bet I could find something better to watch than Oprah :duh:

So you agree that your supporting obama is in your interests and not good for the country?

Shoot. With my government-supplied cable network, I bet I could find something better to watch than Oprah :duh:

All you'll get will be Obama-TV 24/7...which will include Oprah.

Yes, you could be wrong.

No, he's right. There are always jobs for people who want to work long hard hours for minimum pay.

And there might be some people who want to go from having a well-paying job with benefits to digging ditches for $9 an hour. PCJohnnyB apparently is looking forward to it.

So you agree that your supporting obama is in your interests and not good for the country?

Shoot. Why should I care about everyone else as long as I'm getting my twice monthly food stamps and I have trailer paid off by the Government? I'll just park it in the woods somewhere and have Obama-Satellite installed so I can get my daily Oprah fix :yahoo:

All you'll get will be Obama-TV 24/7...which will include Oprah.

:ohwell:
As long as Tom Cruise doesn't do that crazy jump-on-the-couch thing I guess I can deal with that.

No, he's right. There are always jobs for people who want to work long hard hours for minimum pay.

And there might be some people who want to go from having a well-paying job with benefits to digging ditches for $9 an hour. PCJohnnyB apparently is looking forward to it.

Survival of the fittest is what I always say :buddies:
I can give up the luxuries and work more than I sleep.
Hell if I want to, but you gotta do whatcha gotta do :yay:

Shoot. Why should I care about everyone else as long as I'm getting my twice monthly food stamps and I have trailer paid off by the Government? I'll just park it in the woods somewhere and have Obama-Satellite installed so I can get my daily Oprah fix :yahoo:


Do you realize you're willing to sell yourself into slavery for a full belly and a clouded mind?

If you look at obama's ancestors, you'll find the slave owners that sold Africans into slavery. Guess he found out how to get folks to volunteer for a chain

Shoot. Why should I care about everyone else as long as I'm getting my twice monthly food stamps and I have trailer paid off by the Government? I'll just park it in the woods somewhere and have Obama-Satellite installed so I can get my daily Oprah fix

Survival of the fittest is what I always say :buddies:
I can give up the luxuries and work more than I sleep.
Hell if I want to, but you gotta do whatcha gotta do :yay:

Okay, now I realize that you're being facetious and will be voting McCain.

:stupid:

Do you realize you're willing to sell yourself into slavery for a full belly and a clouded mind?

If you look at obama's ancestors, you'll find the slave owners that sold Africans into slavery. Guess he found out how to get folks to volunteer for a chain

Maybe I should just move to Asia since new jobs get outsourced over there daily. I could ALWAYS find a job over there :yahoo: Do they discriminate against tall(er than them) people? :ohwell:

Okay, now I realize that you're being facetious and will be voting McCain.

:stupid:

IF there was a better R candidate, I more-than-likely would have voted in their favor instead of Obama....if anyone recalls...I was originally a Hillary supporter :shrug: Obama was a distant 2nd choice :ohwell: When given two rotten apples, I choose to at least eat the one that doesn't have worms in it. :yahoo:

And there you have it. This is from an Obama supporter and I don't know if I could have laid it out any better myself.
He could have simply said :stupid:.

Pc is a lost cause as I was with Kerry.

Ah well, everyone has their one Jimmy Carter vote they wish they'd take back.

He could have simply said :stupid:.

Pc is a lost cause as I was with Kerry.

Ah well, everyone has their one Jimmy Carter vote they wish they'd take back.

If fate ever causes our crossing of paths (:lol:), remind me to never talk politics with you IRL. :roflmao:

If fate ever causes our crossing of paths (:lol:), remind me to never talk politics with you IRL. :roflmao:
:poorbaby:

:poorbaby:

I just find it comical that since someone has an opinion differing from yours, it MUST be a "throw-away vote". :lol:

I just find it comical that since someone has an opinion differing from yours, it MUST be a "throw-away vote". :lol:
Well, if it was a valid opinion I would debate it and not just pass it off as garbage.

Saying you'd rather have a junkie is garbage. Even you can agree with that.

Well, if it was a valid opinion I would debate it and not just pass it off as garbage.

Saying you'd rather have a junkie is garbage. Even you can agree with that.

That was, at least I thought, obviously a facetious exaggeration.
Does he still do coke? I don't know :shrug: Does everyone make mistakes in their lives? Yes...do I have a problem with the drinking or pot smoking aspects, even if he still does them? Not at all. As long as it doesn't influence his job, he can do whatever he darn well pleases (as long as it hurts nobody else...gotta be specific with ya'll :lol:) in his free time (does a POTUS have any?) to relieve the stress that goes with the job.

Do I feel the utmost confidence that McCain will just go off (at some point) like the crazy old man he is and do something VERY stupid if he gets elected? You betcha. No offense to you old folks...big difference between being nice older people and being a crazy old man :lol:

JMO :shrug:
I've never cared what people do in their free time (again, unless it hurts others) as long as they keep it out of the work place and provide for their family...why should it be any different for the POTUS?

Oh..almost forgot...yes buddy, it would be ridiculous to have a junkie as president. There is also a big difference between casual-user and junkie...just a thought.

That was, at least I thought, obviously a facetious exaggeration.
Does he still do coke? I don't know :shrug: Does everyone make mistakes in their lives? Yes...do I have a problem with the drinking or pot smoking aspects, even if he still does them? Not at all. As long as it doesn't influence his job, he can do whatever he darn well pleases (as long as it hurts nobody else...gotta be specific with ya'll :lol:) in his free time (does a POTUS have any?) to relieve the stress that goes with the job.

Do I feel the utmost confidence that McCain will just go off (at some point) like the crazy old man he is and do something VERY stupid if he gets elected? You betcha. No offense to you old folks...big difference between being nice older people and being a crazy old man :lol:

JMO :shrug:
I've never cared what people do in their free time (again, unless it hurts others) as long as they keep it out of the work place and provide for their family...why should it be any different for the POTUS? :yawn:I don't really care if he does cocaine or not. To say that you'd rather have a junkie over (I suppose it's safe to say 'any Republican') shows where you stand. If you have an opinion then express it but make sure it's not filled with items that make you look like an obvious moron.

There is also a big difference between casual-user and junkie...just a thought.
My bad.

That was obviously a facetious exaggeration.:jet:

Thanks for the input Hillary!!! :killingme

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:yawn:I don't really care if he does cocaine or not. To say that you'd rather have a junkie over (I suppose it's safe to say 'any Republican') shows where you stand. If you have an opinion then express it but make sure it's not filled with items that make you look like an obvious moron.

:killingme
And this is where you are WAYYYYY off Buddy.
The fact I dislike McCain does not, for the most part, have anything to do with his partisan stance. The only reason it does is because his views follow his party on some things I disagree with.

Don't get me wrong...as I stated earlier today (you must have missed that post :wink:), I would have voted for someone else, either party, if they'd made it this far instead of McCain or Obama (if I'd agreed with their stance on the issues, at least more than Obama). And, again, I was originally a Hillary supporter...now I am choosing the lesser, IMO, of two evils.

and we're both entitled to opinions :smile:
Now I gotta run to class...later :howdy:

:killingme
And this is where you are WAYYYYY off Buddy.
The fact I dislike McCain does not, for the most part, have anything to do with his partisan stance. The only reason it does is because his views follow his party on some things I disagree with.Name a few Republicans you have backed. Not that it matters really with the topic at hand. You'd rather choose a criminal (that's what those people are who smoke pot and snort cocaine are) than someone who stands up for themselves.

Don't get me wrong...as I stated earlier today (you must have missed that post :wink:), I would have voted for someone else, either party, if they'd made it this far instead of McCain or Obama (if I'd agreed with their stance on the issues, at least more than Obama). And, again, I was originally a Hillary supporter...now I am choosing the lesser, IMO, of two evils.

and we're both entitled to opinions :smile:
Now I gotta run to class...later :howdy:Who would you have voted for other than Hillary and Obama?

Also, if they're both "evil" according to you, why have I not seen you against Obama even just a little?

Don't be afraid to admit that he's your knight in shining armour. I won't lambast you for that and I'll respect your decision. I will not respect your apathy towards illegal activity.

One has destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft
One has graduated almost at the bottom of the class from Officer training at Annapolis

Come on, Becky! What drew you to the dark side? You used to be a respected Republican.

What is really great is that Hillary cant stand this Obama piece of work, but for a check for 12 million dollarsshe will praise him the the high heavens. Politicians are all crap.

I wouldnt trust one of them with a plugged nickel and they run the country. We are in deep doo doo.

Dont vote encumbent. Give another thief a chance.

I think you just answered your own question. :huggy:

Yeah. I guess I did didn't I? :kiss:

I'm sorry, but I really don't see how someone could really be undecided at this point in the PRESIDENTAL race. You obviously have the Internet, so you can go out and find the message of each candidate. The real message and not the ones from the entire Internet nut jobs (and there are a lot on both sides)... Vote w/ you heart, vote for the person who is more aligned w/ your views... The two candidates are so different; the choice should really be an easy one...........

I'm sorry you're sorry and happy for you that you are satisfied with the choices and have no reservations. Good for you! :clap:

If you read my post correctly you would have noticed that I didn't say I didn't know what their "message" was. I said that I liked and disliked some of what each candidate had to say. I'm no dummy and have done my research.

And no, I won't vote with my heart. My heart says vote for Mickey Mouse instead of either of these Bozos. So I'll vote with my head and for what I think is best for this Country. And since I don't think Obama is the smarter choice, I suppose my vote is going to McCain. :yay:

Does anybody actually know who obama is?

Yes.

:evil:

One has destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft
One has graduated almost at the bottom of the class from Officer training at Annapolis

Becky that is a terrible thing to say! No matter what you think of his politcal policies, he acted heroic in combat and captivity! He didn't destroy ANY aircraft, the ENEMY destroyed one and the other was destroyed by accident on the Forestal that had nothing to do with McCain Watch the horrific video of the Forestal desaster sometime and see McCain barely escape with his life and many other of our boys lose theirs and let me see you make the same sarcastic remarks!

One has destroyed millions of dollars of aircraft
One has graduated almost at the bottom of the class from Officer training at Annapolis

One flew jets for the Navy and one became a Naval officer.

Yes.

:evil:

:lol:

I might not vote. I changed my address on my voter's registration so I could vote this election but as someone pointed out to me today, popular vote doesn't mean sh!t.... look at the whole Bush/Gore conundum. Voting just makes citizens feel like they're important, I don't think it means anything anymore :ohwell:

Go McCain (but not Palin)

Which brings up another concern:

Where will they get the money to build their weapons programs?

Us.

Obama has said that he will double US foreign aid and "reduce global poverty". Now, presidents have been sending our money to third-world #### holes for as long as I can remember, and so far I haven't seen one bit of suffering alleviated. The dictators take that money and buy yachts for their playboy sons, and build up their weapons programs.
That is one thing that has always pissed me off!!:cds::mad: We need a President that will cut foreign aid to the bone. It gets us nothing. Maybe a military base here and there.

Name a few Republicans you have backed. Not that it matters really with the topic at hand. You'd rather choose a criminal (that's what those people are who smoke pot and snort cocaine are) than someone who stands up for themselves.

Who would you have voted for other than Hillary and Obama?

Also, if they're both "evil" according to you, why have I not seen you against Obama even just a little?

Don't be afraid to admit that he's your knight in shining armour. I won't lambast you for that and I'll respect your decision. I will not respect your apathy towards illegal activity.

:roflmao: :poorbaby:

I'll go without your respect then. Obama is most DEFINITELY not a "night in shining armor (<-we're in America)" for me, he was the choice I conceded to since the other option is a nutty old man :lmao:

And no, I won't vote with my heart. My heart says vote for Mickey Mouse instead of either of these Bozos. So I'll vote with my head and for what I think is best for this Country. And since I don't think Obama is the smarter choice, I suppose my vote is going to McCain. :yay:

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That is EXACTLY how I am feeling as we are getting a week away here.

I just really get frustrated with how undecided equals uninformed, uneducated idiot. It is not the case. It is very frustrating to be a moderate in a two party system especially when each party seems to be moving further and further towards their respective sides. Speaking for myself I seem to agree about 50-50 with both candidates and both parties. I know the issues but I am a social liberal and a fiscal conservation so to speak.

In this election I think I am willing to give up my socially liberal values because I think McCain (NOT Palin) is best for the whole country not just one party. What scares me most is Obama (ie Democrat) winning the presidency and the Democrats taking more control of Congress and checks and balances goes right out the window. What is best for this country is checks and balances right now instead of single party rule.

Yeah. I guess I did didn't I? :kiss:



I'm sorry you're sorry and happy for you that you are satisfied with the choices and have no reservations. Good for you! :clap:

If you read my post correctly you would have noticed that I didn't say I didn't know what their "message" was. I said that I liked and disliked some of what each candidate had to say. I'm no dummy and have done my research.

And no, I won't vote with my heart. My heart says vote for Mickey Mouse instead of either of these Bozos. So I'll vote with my head and for what I think is best for this Country. And since I don't think Obama is the smarter choice, I suppose my vote is going to McCain. :yay:

I think something to consider is... There is a big likelihood that the democrats will gain more seats in Congress. Pelosi and Reid have stated they support BO's tax and "wealth redistribution" plan. They all will institute a federalized healthcare plan that would cost tax-payers far more than BO is indicating; which would require him to raise taxes on ALL OF US, not just the top 5%. Barney Frank proposes a 25% cut in defense spending (which is huge). They all support "The Fairness Doctrine". They all support a some form of federal ban on gun ownership. And BO supports patial-birth and he opposed "legislation that would have protected infant abortion survivors from dying of neglect (http://www.cultureandmediainstitute.org/articles/2008/20081014171442.aspx)".

Are you comfortable with a president having this level of carte blanche to push this agenda on the American people? We are at war. Free speech is threatened (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/biden_tv_interview/2008/10/26/144216.html). And he is promoting a radically socialist agenda. BO with a 2/3 majority in Congress will give him the power to affect our lives in ways never seen before.

BO with a 2/3 majority in Congress will give him the power to affect our lives in ways never seen before.

And the sheeple will be blinded by the light of his glory, and bow to him.

It is very frustrating to be a moderate in a two party system especially when each party seems to be moving further and further towards their respective sides.

:confused: The Republican party is moving further and further to the left. They are moving away from their respective side. They have moved so far left that they have lost many votes from people on the right (myself included).

:confused: The Republican party is moving further and further to the left. They are moving away from their respective side. They have moved so far left that they have lost many votes from people on the right (myself included).

But possibly gained some moderate votes (myself being one step to the right of center). So who do you vote for if you're so far right and the Reps don't do it for you anymore? Is there a Libertarian candidate? :confused:

But possibly gained some moderate votes (myself being one step to the right of center). So who do you vote for if you're so far right and the Reps don't do it for you anymore? Is there a Libertarian candidate? :confused:

Bob Barr. I think.

But possibly gained some moderate votes (myself being one step to the right of center). So who do you vote for if you're so far right and the Reps don't do it for you anymore? Is there a Libertarian candidate? :confused:

Libertarian is Barr/Root and Constitution (my choice) is Baldwin/Castle.

Libertarian is Barr/Root and Constitution (my choice) is Baldwin/Castle.

Ok, so voting for either of those party candidates is basically a protest or ideological vote, but also in some sense a wasted one seeing how neither has a chance of winning the election, yes? I suppose that's better than choosing to vote over the lesser of two evils eh? And if you do vote Constitutional party for example, that's one less vote for McCain which means one more vote for Obama, yes?

Ok, so voting for either of those party candidates is basically a protest or ideological vote, but also in some sense a wasted one seeing how neither has a chance of winning the election, yes? I suppose that's better than choosing to vote over the lesser of two evils eh? And if you do vote Constitutional party for example, that's one less vote for McCain which means one more vote for Obama, yes?

If you vote in Maryland, it doesn't matter. Obama is going to win in MD. Might as well vote for someone you like, yes?

If you vote in Maryland, it doesn't matter. Obama is going to win in MD. Might as well vote for someone you like, yes?

True. :ohwell:

As long as the Elitist Democrats keep feeding the Democrat Voter Cattle in the 5 counties of PG, Baltimore, Howard, Montgomery and Charles counties, the other 18 counties get outvoted and Maryland falls to NObama...:coffee:

I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party.

I'm expressing my displeasure with the GOP over the nominee.

Obama supports abortionists and McCain would nuke the Middle East. No thanks.

McCain would nuke the Middle East.

What's wrong with that? :confused:

I could be wrong, go figure, but in my experience...there are ALMOST always jobs for those folks who are willing to look for them/work long, hard hours/get paid a minimum amount :coffee:Johnny, GWB has been in the White House since you were 10 years old. All of your experience has been under his administration.

Johnny, GWB has been in the White House since you were 10 years old. All of your experience has been under his administration.

:confused: WoW...its REALLY been that long?! :faint:

You're right.

what was your point though?

:confused: WoW...its REALLY been that long?! :faint:

You're right.

what was your point though?
Your experience is rather limited. Back about the time you were born, my father was literally digging ditches for a little above minimum wage because he couldn't find a better job, despite the fact that he'd been working high level, blue collar union jobs for over 35 years. We were carpooling because I had just gotten a white collar job nearby making $16K. Took me 7 months after college to get that job.

If you vote in Maryland, it doesn't matter. Obama is going to win in MD. Might as well vote for someone you like, yes?No, not really.

Is the person you're voting for 100% in agreement with you? Chances are, no. So, you're still voting for the least of evils by voting for the single one person who is closest - knowing full well that person will not win. If you're going to vote for someone who you KNOW will not win, why not write yourself in? After all, I suspect you agree with yourself virtually always!

So, if you're going to vote for someone who you don't agree with 100%, why not vote for the one of the two that you disagree the least with, thereby balancing out someone voting for the person you agree the very least with?

A 0.2% vote of this state going to someone other than McCain is not going to send ANYONE a message. 49.9% to 50.1% will (moreso anyway).

Your experience is rather limited. Back about the time you were born, my father was literally digging ditches for a little above minimum wage because he couldn't find a better job, despite the fact that he'd been working high level, blue collar union jobs for over 35 years. We were carpooling because I had just gotten a white collar job nearby making $16K. Took me 7 months after college to get that job.

Gotcha. Still took me a second.
So, maybe I should have said "in history" instead of "in my experience"? :shrug:
Your dad found a job doing just as I stated, earning very little, because he was willing to work. That's all I was saying is that if someone is willing to work, and look for work, there is almost always SOMETHING they can do.

Do you at least agree with that?

why not write yourself in?

Because I don't want the job :shrug: Therefore, I'm going to vote for someone who does (evidenced by being on the ballot) and most closely aligns with my beliefs.

As for your percents, you must be on some good drugs if you think McCain has a chance of getting close to 49.9% of MD.

Because I don't want the job :shrug: Therefore, I'm going to vote for someone who does (evidenced by being on the ballot) and most closely aligns with my beliefs.

As for your percents, you must be on some good drugs if you think McCain has a chance of getting close to 49.9% of MD.I don't think that he does, but I'm not waiving my right to vote (not even in effect) by voting for someone ELSE who doesn't align 100% with my views just to make a point that no one will hear.

I'm going to vote for the candidate that doesn't align 100% with my views that has a chance of winning the election.

Your chances of getting the job are no less than Barr's, or Nader's, or Paul's. So, if you're going to vote for someone because they agree with you, and you know won't win anyway, writing yourself in is the only logical choice. If you're voting for someone that you don't agree with completely just because they want the job, then vote for someone who has a chance of getting the job.

That's all I'm saying.

As for your percents, you must be on some good drugs if you think McCain has a chance of getting close to 49.9% of MD.

I think McKinney will do better than McCain in MD.

:roflmao: :poorbaby:

I'll go without your respect then. Obama is most DEFINITELY not a "night in shining armor (<-we're in America)" for me, he was the choice I conceded to since the other option is a nutty old man :lmao:
Thanks for proving my point and also answering my questions.:smile:

Thanks for proving my point and also answering my questions.:smile:

And here I thought I was being considerate by not wasting either of our times' :ohwell:

Gotcha. Still took me a second.
So, maybe I should have said "in history" instead of "in my experience"? :shrug:
Your dad found a job doing just as I stated, earning very little, because he was willing to work. That's all I was saying is that if someone is willing to work, and look for work, there is almost always SOMETHING they can do.

Do you at least agree with that?
EVENTUALLY, such people can find a job doing SOMETHING, however, it takes time, perhaps months, to find a job and sometimes it's not worth it. He couldn't have taken that job if we couldn't carpool, it wouldn't have paid for the expenses of a car. Also, there were 4 full time working adults in our household at that time (my older brother was still living at home too) and only one child. If it were the other way around things would have been impossible. My dad couldn't have afforded the minimum wage job. He did it because he felt the need to contribute in some way to the upkeep of the family. My dad has a awesome work ethic, he's the type that just has to work...

Which brings up another fly in the economic ointment....

After his relatively short stint digging ditches, he returned to work in his union job. He retired just last year and has been busy working on his hobbies. Mom is getting ready to retire this year and they have been looking forward to kicking back, maybe doing a little traveling...

That is, until Dad's 401K tanked when the stock market went haywire. He might have to go back to work to make ends meet. That'll be one less job out there for those needing to work two jobs to support their families.

That is, until Dad's 401K tanked when the stock market went haywire. He might have to go back to work to make ends meet. That'll be one less job out there for those needing to work two jobs to support their families.

If Dad still had his money in the same 401k plan that he had 10 15 or 20 years ago AFTER he retired, he needs to smack his financial planner around.

If Dad still had his money in the same 401k plan that he had 10 15 or 20 years ago AFTER he retired, he needs to smack his financial planner around.He's his own financial planner, but he spends some time everyday watching his money. He's not above moving it around 4-5 times a week, so I imagine he managed to save most of it, but I think it's at the edge of his comfort zone, especially since he plans to live another 20 or 30 years.

He's his own financial planner, but he spends some time everyday watching his money. He's not above moving it around 4-5 times a week, so I imagine he managed to save most of it, but I think it's at the edge of his comfort zone, especially since he plans to live another 20 or 30 years.

Basically he's not retired, he's more like a daytrader?

Basically he's not retired, he's more like a daytrader?He's gotta do something now that he's retired.

And here I thought I was being considerate by not wasting either of our times' :ohwell:
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