...is predicated on a couple of simple things;

1. The bias in polls. There are numerous reasons, the people you can typically reach and will even take a poll, their honesty, etc and so forth. This has meant a point or two or more wrong to the left for years. Margin of error is there for a reason.

In a poll between two things, left or right, up or down, Obama or McCain, a point being wrong is huge. Not a point change, but a point wrong. This is both why so many are confident of an Obama win and why I am not. It takes two new points to beat a change of one. If the polls are right, if they are perfect and they're probably not, it doesn't matter. Game over. If they are wrong, again, it takes 2 points to overcome one point of being wrong. One point to simply even up for the one lost and another one to get back the 1 point lead.

2. Is America really ready for someone with as thin and dubious a resume as Obama's? If he wins, it will set a new standard of just how little you need to have done to be considered a viable candidate.

3. Are Hillary fans really going to make a vote that effectively ends her presidential aspirations? That gets back to that 2 points to overcome a loss of one business.

4. The undecideds. This is still something like 8% of the expected vote. Even if this is off by a little, again, a one point change takes two new ones. The Obama faithful are just that; faithful. They are not uncommitted (though many should be) nor are they undecided.

5. Anger on the right. How bad is it? How many people have told a pollster 'the hell with McCain!" yet are gonna, when the time comes, decide Obama simply is a bit much and vote for Mac anyway? Is it 1 points worth?

6. Margin of error. Most of the polls are about 2-3% anyway. That's a range of up to 6 points from Obama being 53 to McCain's 47, a 6 point spread, being barely right on one extreme to being a tie on the other.

Hell, some state polls are showing full 10 and 15 point swings from 4 years ago and from historical trends. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It just tells me it's emotion and will that hold up?

So, I still just can't see this guy as our president. If he wins, OK. He's my president. I will believe it, however, when I see it.

:buddies:

I'm not following the polls. If not for massive voter fraud, I just don't think he can honestly win.

Good thing you are going to have poinsettia pushing to keep you occupied when this election is over...:cheers:

...is predicated on a couple of simple things;

1. The bias in polls. There are numerous reasons, the people you can typically reach and will even take a poll, their honesty, etc and so forth. This has meant a point or two or more wrong to the left for years. Margin of error is there for a reason.

In a poll between two things, left or right, up or down, Obama or McCain, a point being wrong is huge. Not a point change, but a point wrong. This is both why so many are confident of an Obama win and why I am not. It takes two new points to beat a change of one. If the polls are right, if they are perfect and they're probably not, it doesn't matter. Game over. If they are wrong, again, it takes 2 points to overcome one point of being wrong. One point to simply even up for the one lost and another one to get back the 1 point lead.

2. Is America really ready for someone with as thin and dubious a resume as Obama's? If he wins, it will set a new standard of just how little you need to have done to be considered a viable candidate.

3. Are Hillary fans really going to make a vote that effectively ends her presidential aspirations? That gets back to that 2 points to overcome a loss of one business.

4. The undecideds. This is still something like 8% of the expected vote. Even if this is off by a little, again, a one point change takes two new ones. The Obama faithful are just that; faithful. They are not uncommitted (though many should be) nor are they undecided.

5. Anger on the right. How bad is it? How many people have told a pollster 'the hell with McCain!" yet are gonna, when the time comes, decide Obama simply is a bit much and vote for Mac anyway? Is it 1 points worth?

6. Margin of error. Most of the polls are about 2-3% anyway. That's a range of up to 6 points from Obama being 53 to McCain's 47, a 6 point spread, being barely right on one extreme to being a tie on the other.

Hell, some state polls are showing full 10 and 15 point swings from 4 years ago and from historical trends. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It just tells me it's emotion and will that hold up?

So, I still just can't see this guy as our president. If he wins, OK. He's my president. I will believe it, however, when I see it.

:buddies:I think (HOPE?) you're correct - basically saying the same thing Ann Coulter did regarding the polls.

I also like you're comment that I bolded. Once the election is over, the lawsuits settled on his eligibility based on citizenship, etc., and he's sworn in - he's the president we need to support.

Just like W.

I'm not following the polls. If not for massive voter fraud, I just don't think he can honestly win.

...fraud in Dem precincts has been going on for ages and is the primary reason why so many on TV are so confident; they know how this works and they know how it is done in Chicago. They also know how well the Obama people are doing in working this issue right now.

It would make for some great reporting. Now, if only some GOP district would do it so they could do a story without getting killed. :lol:

...is predicated on a couple of simple things;

1. The bias in polls. There are numerous reasons, the people you can typically reach and will even take a poll, their honesty, etc and so forth. This has meant a point or two or more wrong to the left for years. Margin of error is there for a reason.

In a poll between two things, left or right, up or down, Obama or McCain, a point being wrong is huge. Not a point change, but a point wrong. This is both why so many are confident of an Obama win and why I am not. It takes two new points to beat a change of one. If the polls are right, if they are perfect and they're probably not, it doesn't matter. Game over. If they are wrong, again, it takes 2 points to overcome one point of being wrong. One point to simply even up for the one lost and another one to get back the 1 point lead.

2. Is America really ready for someone with as thin and dubious a resume as Obama's? If he wins, it will set a new standard of just how little you need to have done to be considered a viable candidate.

3. Are Hillary fans really going to make a vote that effectively ends her presidential aspirations? That gets back to that 2 points to overcome a loss of one business.

4. The undecideds. This is still something like 8% of the expected vote. Even if this is off by a little, again, a one point change takes two new ones. The Obama faithful are just that; faithful. They are not uncommitted (though many should be) nor are they undecided.

5. Anger on the right. How bad is it? How many people have told a pollster 'the hell with McCain!" yet are gonna, when the time comes, decide Obama simply is a bit much and vote for Mac anyway? Is it 1 points worth?

6. Margin of error. Most of the polls are about 2-3% anyway. That's a range of up to 6 points from Obama being 53 to McCain's 47, a 6 point spread, being barely right on one extreme to being a tie on the other.

Hell, some state polls are showing full 10 and 15 point swings from 4 years ago and from historical trends. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It just tells me it's emotion and will that hold up?

So, I still just can't see this guy as our president. If he wins, OK. He's my president. I will believe it, however, when I see it.

:buddies:

I still don't think it's over either - I think McCain still has a shot. I'm surprised that you didn't account for the angry left though - I have some Democrat friends, who for the first time in their lives, have contributed money, time, and even gone to other states to help out. They hate Bush, they hate Republicans and they're not alone by any means and they're not a small minority.

I still don't think it's over either - I think McCain still has a shot. I'm surprised that you didn't account for the angry left though - I have some Democrat friends, who for the first time in their lives, have contributed money, time, and even gone to other states to help out. They hate Bush, they hate Republicans and they're not alone by any means and they're not a small minority.

I didn't think they needed mentioning. They remind us of the presence around here enough every 5 minutes. :lol:

5. Anger on the right. How bad is it? How many people have told a pollster 'the hell with McCain!" yet are gonna, when the time comes, decide Obama simply is a bit much and vote for Mac anyway? Is it 1 points worth?

:buddies:

So do you fall into this category? Or are you still throwing it away to BO by writing in Paul?

So do you fall into this category? Or are you still throwing it away to BO by writing in Paul?

...as I have said before, if my vote was the difference between McCain winning or Obama winning I STILL will not vote for McCain.

Why?

McCain/Feingold

His shenanigans with his gang of 14

His tepid support for judges like Alito and Roberts.

His tepid support for tax cuts.

His getting on board with the enviro nuts and this cap and trade non sense.

His long time lack of support for domestic oil independence including the OTC and ANWR.

His passive attitude about border control.

His support of the bail out.

His choice of Palin which was rather cynical and self serving. She's not ready to take over leadership of the US.


It's not just an issue or two. McCain is a GOP'er for one reason; it looked like his most promising career path for rising in politics. John McCain just wants to be potus, not do the job of potus. You have to have an ideology to DO potus.

I do not see how a person with his record and his motivations is any more than a lesser of two poor choices. I do see how the GOP, after failing this nation so badly, in my view, these last 3-4 years, can be motivated to get back to good policy for good reasons and stick to it if we are stuck facing Obama and Pelosi and Reid; We HAVE to fight. With potus McCain, anh. We won. Whooppee...

...as I have said before, if my vote was the difference between McCain winning or Obama winning I STILL will not vote for McCain.

Why?

McCain/Feingold

His shenanigans with his gang of 14

His tepid support for judges like Alito and Roberts.

His tepid support for tax cuts.

His getting on board with the enviro nuts and this cap and trade non sense.

His long time lack of support for domestic oil independence including the OTC and ANWR.

His passive attitude about border control.

His support of the bail out.

His choice of Palin which was rather cynical and self serving. She's not ready to take over leadership of the US.


It's not just an issue or two. McCain is a GOP'er for one reason; it looked like his most promising career path for rising in politics. John McCain just wants to be potus, not do the job of potus. You have to have an ideology to DO potus.

I do not see how a person with his record and his motivations is any more than a lesser of two poor choices. I do see how the GOP, after failing this nation so badly, in my view, these last 3-4 years, can be motivated to get back to good policy for good reasons and stick to it if we are stuck facing Obama and Pelosi and Reid; We HAVE to fight. With potus McCain, anh. We won. Whooppee...

Well, the alternative is BO. A man that America hardly knows. In my esimation, a very dangerous man; especially with a 2/3+ majority Congress at his disposal.

larry might be right on one point, hopefully more.
when the campaining first started, I vowed never to vote for John McCain.
just was not going to happen, when he tried to run the first time, I was glad he lost the bid. I was expecting the same this time, actually looking forward to it.
however.
McCain is the most left leaning of all the choices that were out there this time. Palin balances that to the right just a bit.

Obama is certainly not an acceptable answer in this race, at least to those that are able to use at least 5% of their brain.
all that being said, even though I originally claimed that there would be no way in hell that I would cast a vote for McCain, it seems that I never envisioned an obama running against him.

I have no choice as an American but to cast a vote for McCain/Palin.

even if it wont count in Maryland.

Im hoping that others will hold their nose and cast a vote for the American in this race.

I read this morning that Zogby placed Mccain ahead in a one day poll.

What amazes me is that Hussein Obama is swimming in money, he has the media firmly in the tank for him, and yet he cannot blow McCain out of the water.

One thing that has been very annoing to me is the way Chris Mathews and Olberman ar allowed to totally aidn and abet Obama in this election. It is obvious that their employers will allow them to say or do almost anything against Mccain. What kind of news organisation is it that allows these two to run wild with their own political agenda and totally screw up the credibility of the news agency.

What amazes me is that Hussein Obama is swimming in money, he has the media firmly in the tank for him, and yet he cannot blow McCain out of the water.

One thing that has been very annoing to me is the way Chris Mathews and Olberman ar allowed to totally aidn and abet Obama in this election. It is obvious that their employers will allow them to say or do almost anything against Mccain. What kind of news organisation is it that allows these two to run wild with their own political agenda and totally screw up the credibility of the news agency.

...OK, but all of that are just symptoms, when you think about it, as to how bad a candidate Obama actually is. Everything is in his favor except the wars. The economy is down, the sitting potus doesn't make a lot of people happy, the media, the money, the voter fraud, the fact that the Dems can NOT lose this race, how hard they are pulling for him.

The facts of his inexperience, his sense of entitlement, his associations, his policy pronouncements, all of it, should have derailed him a long time ago.

Yet here we are.

I'm not following the polls. If not for massive voter fraud, I just don't think he can honestly win. I would have to agree. Didn't good ole MOM let get illegals get Maryland drivers licenses? Makes them eligible to vote dosen't it?