Does anyone know anything about this? I've priced them at various places but they only do single rooms. I'm looking for something that can do the entire house (about 2700 sq ft upstairs/down). HVAC company said they can put something on our heatpump(s) as a filtration system but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about everything before I make the investment.

Our issues are dust, pollen, animals but no mold or fungi (that we know of) since its a new home.

TYIA

Personally I would go with one that hooks to the air handler/heat pump. The reasons being, they do the whole house, the noise of single units gets annoying real quick, the filter expense of a bunch of single units will be huge, and the cost of multiple units will get ugly.


Does anyone know anything about this? I've priced them at various places but they only do single rooms. I'm looking for something that can do the entire house (about 2700 sq ft upstairs/down). HVAC company said they can put something on our heatpump(s) as a filtration system but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about everything before I make the investment.

Our issues are dust, pollen, animals but no mold or fungi (that we know of) since its a new home.

TYIA

Personally I would go with one that hooks to the air handler/heat pump. The reasons being, they do the whole house, the noise of single units gets annoying real quick, the filter expense of a bunch of single units will be huge, and the cost of multiple units will get ugly.

:yeahthat: Whole house units are generally placed in-line in the handler and are electrostatic in nature, so they filter particles by charging them and attracting them to the charged filter. These units generally do not do the same thing as the standalone home ion discharge units. Those push ions into the air where the whole house filter just filters. You might find a whole house that ionizes the air too, just haven't seen one.

I found this "independent" unit that claims to cover 3000 sqft and its only about 2ft X 2ft and the filter only needs to be washed with warm amonia water about every 2-4 weeks depending on (circumstances). Which sounds great and I'm actually leaning towards it. So long as its true about the 3000 sqft upstairs/down. The company has been around for a long time and its $800.00.

I'm just trying to weigh my options.

:yeahthat: Whole house units are generally placed in-line in the handler and are electrostatic in nature, so they filter particles by charging them and attracting them to the charged filter. These units generally do not do the same thing as the standalone home ion discharge units. Those push ions into the air where the whole house filter just filters. You might find a whole house that ionizes the air too, just haven't seen one.

OK...not to sound stupid but "what the heck"...

What are ions? I keep hearing that and even the unit I'm thinking about (the $800.00 one) sais it does that but I don't know what Ions do in conjunction to the air purification process.

Sorry to sound stupid but again, I'm still learning.

OK...not to sound stupid but "what the heck"...

What are ions? I keep hearing that and even the unit I'm thinking about (the $800.00 one) sais it does that but I don't know what Ions do in conjunction to the air purification process.

Sorry to sound stupid but again, I'm still learning.

Let me see if I can find a good article... basically, the ions discharged are O3, ozone. Ozone is supposed to be healthy and purifies the air.

USATODAY.com - Ionizing air cleaners get zapped (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-04-04-air-filters_x.htm)
Uh, not a good example... :lmao:

Air ioniser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser)

I found this "independent" unit that claims to cover 3000 sqft and its only about 2ft X 2ft and the filter only needs to be washed with warm amonia water about every 2-4 weeks depending on (circumstances). Which sounds great and I'm actually leaning towards it. So long as its true about the 3000 sqft upstairs/down. The company has been around for a long time and its $800.00.

I'm just trying to weigh my options.

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors in the air cleaning business, much of it does not do what it says. Plus there's debate if some ionizers actually cause harmful indoor ozone pollution. The whole air cleaning biz isn't even regulated enough to protect consumers.

You really need to get deep inside Google with this and only go with a leader in the industry that has a proven product.

Example, if you've got a Carrier heat pump and they have a unit that does what you want as an add-on, I would trust something like that.

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors in the air cleaning business, much of it does not do what it says. Plus there's debate if some ionizers actually cause harmful indoor ozone pollution. The whole air cleaning biz isn't even regulated enough to protect consumers.

You really need to get deep inside Google with this and only go with a leader in the industry that has a proven product.

Example, if you've got a Carrier heat pump and they have a unit that does what you want as an add-on, I would trust something like that.

Noted in the above article... :yay:

Noted in the above article... :yay:

The other problem with this crap is the filters. It's like the ink jet printer biz, they ought to just give you the unit, because they're going to screw you for years with filter purchases.

Would you believe my fridge has a water filter the manufacturer recommends changing every 6-9 months. Do you know what that joker costs?

$40

The other problem with this crap is the filters. It's like the ink jet printer biz, they ought to just give you the unit, because they're going to screw you for years with filter purchases.

Would you believe my fridge has a water filter the manufacturer recommends changing every 6-9 months. Do you know what that joker costs?

$40

Mine did too, but I by-passed it and put on an OTC filter. Replacement cartridges are about $4.

The other problem with this crap is the filters. It's like the ink jet printer biz, they ought to just give you the unit, because they're going to screw you for years with filter purchases.

Would you believe my fridge has a water filter the manufacturer recommends changing every 6-9 months. Do you know what that joker costs?

$40

HAHAHAHAHA

I only let "friends I don't like" drink from the fridge. I have a separate water cooler for the rest.

JK

not really

HAHAHAHAHA

I only let "friends I don't like" drink from the fridge. I have a separate water cooler for the rest.

JK

not really

Oh trust me, I know that. And that's why I keep letting the air out of your tires and you keep calling GM saying it's the sensor.

:killingme

Oh trust me, I know that. And that's why I keep letting the air out of your tires and you keep calling GM saying it's the sensor.

:killingme

I knew it was a conspiracy:doh:

QUOTE=GWguy;3410523]USATODAY.com - Ionizing air cleaners get zapped (http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-04-04-air-filters_x.htm)
Uh, not a good example... :lmao:

Air ioniser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser)[/QUOTE]



Now I'm even more paranoid...

Ions turn into Ozone if "cooked" at a high frequency. I know cooked isn't the right word (maybe zapped) but this is my confused interpretation of what I read. Like I said; just enough to make me more paranoid. NTL too much ozone isn't good for the lungs (which is why I need an air purification).

Thank you for your help and input. Now I have more sorting to do...

:cds:

my new favorite smilie

Let me see if I can find a good article... basically, the ions discharged are O3, ozone. Ozone is supposed to be healthy and purifies the air.

Ozone is a major part of smog in inner cities. Not usually considered healthy or beneficial.

Consumer Reports went around and around about this with Sharper Images "Ionizer", and they finally admitted how bad it was. If you look at their current airfilters it has an "Ozone Canister" on it now that removes the ozone.

Does anyone know anything about this? I've priced them at various places but they only do single rooms. I'm looking for something that can do the entire house (about 2700 sq ft upstairs/down). HVAC company said they can put something on our heatpump(s) as a filtration system but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about everything before I make the investment.

Our issues are dust, pollen, animals but no mold or fungi (that we know of) since its a new home.

TYIA

open the windows..:shrug:

open the windows..:shrug:

:smack:
Its too cold silly

heheheh

A washable electrostatic filter is the way top go. Check out this website:
Furnace Filters Ratings, Electronic Furnace Filter Comparisons (http://www.allergybuyersclub.com/compare-furnace-filters.html)

Does anyone know anything about this? I've priced them at various places but they only do single rooms. I'm looking for something that can do the entire house (about 2700 sq ft upstairs/down). HVAC company said they can put something on our heatpump(s) as a filtration system but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about everything before I make the investment.

Our issues are dust, pollen, animals but no mold or fungi (that we know of) since its a new home.

TYIA
I deal in Fresh Air purifiers for Ecoquest International. NASA certified, no air has to pass thru the unit it pulses out air purification by ionization. They come in all sizes ,the Fresh Air unit does 3000 sq.ft. call me at 301 884-0535.
or visit www.activepure.com/ngravino.

Featuring Air Cleaners, Air Purifiers, HEPA Air Cleaners and Allergy Products. (http://www.aircleaners.com/)

Do price comparisons before you buy from anyone.

:popcorn:

Featuring Air Cleaners, Air Purifiers, HEPA Air Cleaners and Allergy Products. (http://www.aircleaners.com/)

Do price comparisons before you buy from anyone.

:popcorn:

TY for that....Really overwhelmed and still trying to understand everything.

TY

I deal in Fresh Air purifiers for Ecoquest International. NASA certified, no air has to pass thru the unit it pulses out air purification by ionization. They come in all sizes ,the Fresh Air unit does 3000 sq.ft. call me at 301 884-0535.
or visit www.activepure.com/ngravino.

Interesting read found on the intraweb..

Not long ago my good buddy 'Joe' purchased one of these ozone generators from an EcoQuest distributor. He was also interested in possibly becoming a distributor himself so he called me up with his pitch and I told him to bring the machine over for a demo.

This is one of the expensive models with a remote control and such that sells for around $700. Well, we placed it in my game room where I smoke and let it run for a couple of hours. When we went back into the gameroom I fired up a cigarette and watched the action. Sure enough the EcoQuest cleared the smoke out of the air along with other odors in the room. However, it left a very strange smell that I recognized but could not quite place at the time. I told my buddy that the smell was making me nauseated and was giving me a headache. Soon after, he gathered his machine up and went home. For the rest of the night and even the next morning I would go into the game room and I would start to feel crappy again. The strange smell also lingered. I finally turned on an exhaust fan I have in this room and cleared the strange smell out along with my headache and sour stomach.

I talked to my buddy a few days later and he too was complaining of a headache and sour stomach.
(No, he doesn't smoke)

Several days later it finally dawned on me what the smell was. Ozone!!! I've worked in the past around high voltage equipment and when you turn the equipment on you sometimes get a rush of ozone.

This got me curious so I stared looking in to this product not knowing at the time that the method that this machine uses is Ozone generation, but with a small amount of reading I found out indeed that this is how it works.

I could not believe it!! People are actually stupid enough to put an ozone generator in their house???!!! So I kept researching and what I found was disgusting.

GENERATING OZONE IN YOUR HOME IS NOT SAFE!!!

EcoQuest states that ozone is safe because it's a naturally occurring substance in the enviornment produced by lightning and waterfalls. BALONEY!!
Carbon monoxide is a naturally occurring substance in the enviornment too, but unless you're Dr.Kavorkian you certainly don't want a machine producing it in your home!!

There is also claims of 'good' ozone and 'bad' ozone and that the machine produces 'good' ozone.
BALONEY!! There is 'good' and 'bad' ozone but it has to do with altitude not generation method. 'Good' ozone is the ozone that exist at a high altitude (ozone layer) that protect us from UV rays, 'bad' ozone is ozone that is found at altitudes were people exist and contributes to air pollution!!


Think I'm full of it, see for yourself:

Shall we start with the EPA?
Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners | Publications | Indoor Air | Air | US EPA (http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html)

How about the American Lung Association??
Chapter 4: Factors to Consider Before Using/Buying an Air Cleaner - American Lung Association site (http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=39310)

How about Alaska Health??
Ozone Generators (http://www.epi.hss.state.ak.us/bulletins/docs/b1997_36.htm)

How about the state of California??
State of California-Health and Welfare Agency (http://www.cal-iaq.org/o3_fact.htm)
STATE ISSUES WARNING ABOUT OZONE AIR CLEANING DEVICES (http://www.applications.dhs.ca.gov/pressreleases/store/pressreleases/27-97.html)

How about the country of Canada??
Health Canada - Home Page (http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/protection/warnings/1999/99_62e.htm)

Not only that, but many of these claims that these companies make are worthless. Still don't believe me?? Alpine was the name of this company before EcoQuest bought them out. The FDA filed suit against Alpine to stop making these false claims and won.
Alpine Industries Ordered to Stop Unsubstantiated Claims (http://www.mlmwatch.org/04C/Alpine/alpine.html)

To top that off, the people that are most adversly affected by ozone are one of the groups targeted by this company for sales, people with breathing problems.

I'm sorry, but these machine are not safe and will probably soon be banned in this country.

If you have one of these machine and have been getting headaches, shortness of breath, nausea and so forth try turning it off for a couple of days and I bet your symptoms will disappear.

As far as the MLM aspect of this company I read a few thing above that really bothered me too.

First, Toby above said that the restocking fee is to take used units, clean and upgrade them, repackage them etc. So.....EcoQuest is selling used machines, cleaned up and repackaged, as new???

Next, someone mentioned EcoQuest can't be responsible for an uplink giving false info to a distributor. Huh??? The company is 100% responsible if an uplink lies to distributor or anyone else about their product. The uplink is representing the product with the companys blessing, this makes the company responsible. See the link above concerning the FDA law suit.

Next, Toby I belive it was, said he sells this product in Canada. Canada has pulled the certification for the product and had warned the population not to use them. See the link above about Canada.

And please, please, please do not send me a link to an EcoQuest website that tries to debunk all the info in the links above. Any study put out by any company is for the benefit of the company. They are not going to tell the truth. If you want to prove me wrong send me a link to a independent testing agency (like I did) that says these things are safe and effective. Bet you can't find one.

Please people, before you buy into this product please use your brain. YOU the distributor may be the one that gets sued for making these false and dangerous claims. Think about your family and pets first before you chase the almighty MLM dollar.

Maybe the companys insurance against laysuits is why these machines are so expensive. Do you, the distributor, also have legal insurance??? You will probably need it in the future.









More of the GOOD Ozone..

Thanks Bob for that info! I'd read the same stuff but everyone seemed to act so passive about it that I actually believed in was minor and rare.

I guess my answer is a filter system on my heat-pumps.

I really need something with the amount of animals, dust, pollen etc and we all have allergies or sensitivities to various things. (please no-one tell me to get rid of the animals).

Bob and boyGenius thank you for your help!
:buddies:

I deal in Fresh Air purifiers for Ecoquest International. NASA certified, no air has to pass thru the unit it pulses out air purification by ionization. They come in all sizes ,the Fresh Air unit does 3000 sq.ft. call me at 301 884-0535.
or visit www.activepure.com/ngravino.

Can you supply a link the the NASA certification?

Hi guys,
I found that the air purifiers from air oasis are reallly good for whole house applications the ones that hook up to your a/c or furnace duct does from 3000 sqft to 8000 sqft check them out Purifiers (http://www.futureairtech.com/purifiers/index.html)

Buy the 1" pleated air filters for your return air ducts, then set your air handler fan to "on" instead of "auto" (this is on your thermostat). This will help alot for your allergies with pet dander and pollen in the Spring. Just change the filters more often than you were.

open the windows..:shrug:

That's exactly right....open the windows. My experience with ozone purifiers has been harmful to our health - headaches, lung problems, skin problems, eye and nasal irritations. Not to mention after awhile your whole house starts to smell like 'onions'. Yuck! Plus all they do is MASK odors. Does not 'filter' the air at all...just adds more pollutants.

You all really need to visit Spray Foam Insulation and Roofing - Contractors, Suppliers, Equipment and Information - SprayFoam.com (http://www.sprayfoam.com) so you can learn that no matter how good a filter is or how many times you change it it's not going to fix the problem, which is (going by what most of you have described) "infiltration." Your house is your problem! How it is designed and how it was built. Please read up at that site and if you have any questions let me know because my whole house has been foamed and I never have any of these problems.

open your windows, it's also effective at improving your indoor air quality. I'd be more worried about the offgassing of chemicals from new construction materials than dust, pollen and danger...