depending on how many trees and acres, I could pick up your signal with a pringles cantenna ..... and last I heard wireless security, wasn't

...my IT guy told me that if someone really wanted to...


:lol:

I'm on the fence if this is a 'Must Read' thread but I will forge on, since I am right in the middle. :coffee: I need to see what name Larry is dubbed.

...there is no 'dubbing'. It is a poll. You MUST participate.


Choose...wisely.

:evil:

Mileage ticker at 26 pages wow.

Still funny. :lmao:

Very entertaining. Kain you need to get a grip.:whistle:

I wonder if this person is actually just using a community wireless internet that they don't know about. :whistle:

boy, I'm glad i didn't stay up for this one....

Bottom line:
Yes, router owners should protect their network.
Yes, it IS illegal to tap someone's network without permission.
Yes, the owner of the router can be in serious trouble if someone who was stealing bandwidth decided to download child pron. The IP address of the router is what is captured, not the IP address of the computer.
No, the router owner probably has no idea someone is on their router if they haven't secured it.

Again, and I said it 1st page in, just go ask your neighbors for permission. Give them a sob story or something, I'm sure they will say OK as long as you behave yourself. Get permission and this whole almost 30 pages of rants is completely negated.

Very entertaining. Kain you need to get a grip.:whistle:

Woke up this morning with no regrets. :lol:

I run an unsecured 11b wireless ......... with comcast 10Mpbs who cares if someone piggybacks ........... :shrug:

I'm with whatever Radio says.... He knows stuff :high5:

no..you said you were too poor to own a computer and you borrowed one ..and now you admit to the world that you steal access to the internet..

you come here like some slut asking for the approval of a bunch of strangers who mean nothing to you and ask if it is ok to do this...

you are nuts ya know.....but heck.....have fun until you get caught...and you will sooner or later.....

Mistake me if I am wrong but I don't believe I was asking for approval from a bunch of strangers. My question was... Can my neighbor tell if I use there internet connection? With that said,this evening I will go to my neighbors and ask if they mind. I don't want to get in trouble unlike what some of you may think, I have a clean record and don't want to piss my neighbors off. I don't know all my neighbors but I am guessing it one of the two I know and one of them I have helped out when there basement flooded. And the other I have given beer to and he let another neighbor share his trash service so I really doubt he will mind. I was not getting on any type of porn or bad sites. Just wanted to know if he could see me log into my myspace page.

Mistake me if I am wrong but I don't believe I was asking for approval from a bunch of strangers. My question was... Can my neighbor tell if I use there internet connection? With that said,this evening I will go to my neighbors and ask if they mind. I don't want to get in trouble unlike what some of you may think, I have a clean record and don't want to piss my neighbors off. I don't know all my neighbors but I am guessing it one of the two I know and one of them I have helped out when there basement flooded. And the other I have given beer to and he let another neighbor share his trash service so I really doubt he will mind. I was not getting on any type of porn or bad sites. Just wanted to know if he could see me log into my myspace page.

That's a different question altogether. *IF* the neighbor is smart enough to know that you are already using his router, he is probably smart enough to be able to track what you are doing. Can he see your actual conversations? Yes, but not without specifically running software and spying on you. If he hasn't secured his router, he's probably not interested in what you might be doing or hasn't the smarts to know how.

That said, if the conversation between you and MySpace isn't secure and/or encrypted, ANYONE along the way can see and decode your conversation, emails, etc, etc........

It's called stealing, get your own connection. Your welcome.

It's not stealing if they have an unsecure wireless connection. If it's unsecured it's "sharing" and if they don't bother to secure their wi-fi, than their intent is to share.

They become just another hot-spot in the world for all to share. Think its kind of cool.. Kind of Walden Puddle Communal ..

Personally the people that secure their networks make me laugh.. Like they are working on Nuclear secrets from home.. I think one person in a neighborhood should get the connection and freely share it within the community. Or if in an HOA, let the HOA pay the monthly fee, and broadcast throughout the neighborhood.

well thank you, it means alot. I didn't think anyone would be on my side since I was new. Also, didn't mean to offend any Christian's.

I've tried. They seem to like it..

Offending Christians that is..

Crap, reading this thread now makes me paranoid. My network is unsecured, now Im worried some nut in my neighborhood will download something illegal, and I will be to blame.

Now the dumb question. How do I secure it? Will everyone in the house who uses the network need to use a password?

It's not stealing if they have an unsecure wireless connection. If it's unsecured it's "sharing" and if they don't bother to secure their wi-fi, than their intent is to share.

They become just another hot-spot in the world for all to share. Think its kind of cool.. Kind of Walden Puddle Communal ..

Personally the people that secure their networks make me laugh.. Like they are working on Nuclear secrets from home.. I think one person in a neighborhood should get the connection and freely share it within the community. Or if in an HOA, let the HOA pay the monthly fee, and broadcast throughout the neighborhood.

I like that, my neighborhood has an HOA. I have never been to a meeting but maybe I will go to the next one and bring it up. They keep talking about bringing the neighborhood together, IMO the internet is what keeps people together these days.

Crap, reading this thread now makes me paranoid. My network is unsecured, now Im worried some nut in my neighborhood will download something illegal, and I will be to blame.

Now the dumb question. How do I secure it? Will everyone in the house who uses the network need to use a password?

securing wireless network - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=securing+wireless+network&aq=0s&oq=secureing+)

But you really only need to be paranoid if you are very close to your neighbor. If you can put 300' between the router and the nearest neighbor's computer, forget it.

Crap, reading this thread now makes me paranoid. My network is unsecured, now Im worried some nut in my neighborhood will download something illegal, and I will be to blame.

Now the dumb question. How do I secure it? Will everyone in the house who uses the network need to use a password?

Don't be overly concerned.

They can't charge you, nor are they looking for you, if you run an unsecure wireless network.

If that was the case do you REALLY think all of the local businesses would run unsecure networks?

Starbucks, Dunkin Donut's, Burger King, McDonalds.. almost ALL of the hotels, ALL libraries. If there was going to be liablility issues not ONE of them would be doing it.


Don't be too concerned, the sky isn't falling, and the FBI isn't interested.. really.
It's called sharing. It's what nice people do.

Crap, reading this thread now makes me paranoid. My network is unsecured, now Im worried some nut in my neighborhood will download something illegal, and I will be to blame.

Now the dumb question. How do I secure it? Will everyone in the house who uses the network need to use a password?

AND if it's concern over banking information, credit card info, or someone snooping on your SOMD conversations.. if they REALLY wanted it, a secure wireless network isn't going to make a difference.

Don't be overly concerned.

They can't charge you, nor are they looking for you, if you run an unsecure wireless network.

If that was the case do you REALLY think all of the local businesses would run unsecure networks?

Starbucks, Dunkin Donut's, Burger King, McDonalds.. almost ALL of the hotels, ALL libraries. If there was going to be liablility issues not ONE of them would be doing it.


Don't be too concerned, the sky isn't falling, and the FBI isn't interested.. really.
It's called sharing. It's what nice people do.

But you have to log on thru their portal and agree to their terms. You don't agree, you don't get access.

Kain, shut up, you ####ing psycho. Drunk posting is just embarrassing and you'll regret this tomorrow.

:killingme

But you have to log on thru their portal and agree to their terms. You don't agree, you don't get access.

Embassy Suites yes. They used to require a password too, but now you just enter through their portal and click "agree".

McDonalds, no.. The hotel behind EMA, no.

Most airports, no. Except the cheap bastards that want to charge you for it.

You just do a wireless search and connect to whatever one is available. I've even driven around Tinker AFB looking for wi-fi because they didn't have internet in the BOQ (who'd a thunk on an AIR FORCE base?).

You can even do a search on the internet for metro hot-spots for free internet access, and not just in the US.

I just have a regular linksys wireless router. How many comuters can ping off that router without really slowing it down.

Right now I have 2 laptops in my home, but at xmas, there will be 2 more laptops

Embassy Suites yes. They used to require a password too, but now you just enter through their portal and click "agree".

McDonalds, no.. The hotel behind EMA, no.

Most airports, no. Except the cheap bastards that want to charge you for it.

You just do a wireless search and connect to whatever one is available. I've even driven around Tinker AFB looking for wi-fi because they didn't have internet in the BOQ (who'd a thunk on an AIR FORCE base?).

You can even do a search on the internet for metro hot-spots for free internet access, and not just in the US.

...for Gods sake, don't tell Kain any of this. Her gaskets are all in the shop at the moment.

:lol:

...for Gods sake, don't tell Kain any of this. Her gaskets are all in the shop at the moment.

:lol:

I am sure she can find something else to blow....

...

...

That's Purrrrrrrrfect.... :killingme

I'm with whatever Radio says.... He knows stuff :high5:

What about me dammit?

I'm with whatever Radio says.... He knows stuff :high5:

What about me dammit?

:coffee: Our experience means nothing.....

Mileage ticker at 26 pages wow.



I think sweetprincess is a Troll :razz:

I'm with whatever Radio says.... He knows stuff :high5:



:yahoo:

:coffee: Our experience means nothing.....



:lmao:


:dye:

Who is the cheapest provider of wireless internet? :whistle:

Who is the cheapest provider of wireless internet? :whistle:

Your neighbor? :jet:

Your neighbor? :jet:

:snort:

I know this is wrong but I am too poor to buy a computer and internet. So I borrow a laptop every so often and pick up on one of my neighbors wireless connection. My question is, can my neighbor tell when I am borrowing their internet? I might be currently doing this and my connection keeps going out and is hard to get back.

Don't you worry about a thing. Our new president will make sure we ALL have the intarveb.

Your neighbor? :jet:

:killingme

Don't be overly concerned.

They can't charge you, nor are they looking for you, if you run an unsecure wireless network.

If that was the case do you REALLY think all of the local businesses would run unsecure networks?

Starbucks, Dunkin Donut's, Burger King, McDonalds.. almost ALL of the hotels, ALL libraries. If there was going to be liablility issues not ONE of them would be doing it.


.


hey ittybittybob........all those places require the user to sign a users agreement prior to getting "free" access......and those agreements, when acknowledged, covers the owner from liability............
you ever read the fine print?...........doubt it........

the gal took and used something that did not belong to her....
internet access today.....what will she steal next?

well thank you, it means alot. I didn't think anyone would be on my side since I was new. Also, didn't mean to offend any Christian's.

wait. .....she is the owner here and needs customers to keep this place running ...she doesnt care about you..only the crap you stir up........and if it isnt enough..she will stir it up even more............
it is about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and advertising...............

hey ittybittybob........

Just how well do you know bob? :eyebrow:

I like that, my neighborhood has an HOA. I have never been to a meeting but maybe I will go to the next one and bring it up. They keep talking about bringing the neighborhood together, IMO the internet is what keeps people together these days.

make sure you tell them you are stealing it from who knows who and have no bad feelings about it!!!!

Your neighbor? :jet:

Well I've known that for the last year. :evil: Let me rephrase the question. Who is the cheapest LEGAL provider of wireless internet?

Just how well do you know bob? :eyebrow:

i've seen pictures...certified photos....well...they did use a close up lens....and well.............:killingme.......

Well I've known that for the last year. :evil: Let me rephrase the question. Who is the cheapest LEGAL provider of wireless internet?

The question should be: who is the cheapest ISP ? You can use wireless on any ISP with a wireless router, whether you buy one or they supply it. if you are talking about home service, I pay about $17/mo for DSL @ 768Kb/s. They provided a wireless router, no cost.

If you're talking about ANY ISP, Panera is free, Teariffic is free, etc........

The question should be: who is the cheapest ISP ? You can use wireless on any ISP with a wireless router, whether you buy one or they supply it. if you are talking about home service, I pay about $17/mo for DSL @ 768Kb/s. They provided a wireless router, no cost.

If you're talking about ANY ISP, Panera is free, Teariffic is free, etc........

Thank you. :nomoney:































Could you please PM me with your encryptic wirless password? :popcorn:

Thank you. :nomoney:

Could you please PM me with your encryptic wirless password? :popcorn:

You don't have something at home now?

Sure. :getdowngetdirty:

You don't have something at home now?

Sure. :getdowngetdirty:

No, can I borrow a computer too?

Don't be overly concerned.

They can't charge you, nor are they looking for you, if you run an unsecure wireless network.

If that was the case do you REALLY think all of the local businesses would run unsecure networks?

Starbucks, Dunkin Donut's, Burger King, McDonalds.. almost ALL of the hotels, ALL libraries. If there was going to be liablility issues not ONE of them would be doing it.


Don't be too concerned, the sky isn't falling, and the FBI isn't interested.. really.
It's called sharing. It's what nice people do.

You can use the router to limit access the the sites which are questionable. I have a server that actually controls access to the network. "Untangle" look it up. Its free linux based OS for net security etc...

No, can I borrow a computer too?

:doh:

:doh:

:smoochy: Let me rub that out for you :killingme

the gal took and used something that did not belong to her....
internet access today.....what will she steal next?

Your last braincell?

Just how well do you know bob? :eyebrow:

if Mojo can touch the sides, not well at all.

make sure you tell them you are stealing it from who knows who and have no bad feelings about it!!!!

Please provide the details of the "law" she is breaking.

She's not breaking into a secure network, she's not breaking in and stealing files (at least I don't think she is). She's not using any illegal devices to gain access. If she's sitting in her house, or on a public road, or even in a parking lot, she is breaking NO law.

Actually the person with the unsecrure wireless network maybe. Unlicensed bandwidth/ frequency encroaching on another person's property.

Michigan man busted for stealing Wi-Fi signal; could have received five years | IP Telephony, VoIP, Broadband | ZDNet.com (http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1640)
Florida man arrested for "stealing" unencrypted WiFi signal - Boing Boing (http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/07/florida-man-arrested.html)
The ethics of "stealing" a WiFi connection (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080103-the-ethics-of-stealing-a-wifi-connection.html)
SecurityTeam US - Man Charged With Stealing Wi-Fi Signal (http://community.securityteam.us/article.php/20050706220008645)


And for each of these, there are the counter-arguments, why it's OK to use a neighbor's WiFi connection.

I happen to take the ethical side and would not do it without asking first. And we're talking about homes and neighbors here, not business offering WiFi.

It shouldn't be stealing if they *let* you have access to it, which is what they're doing by not securing their connection. If she hacked the passkey or something like that, that would definitely be a problem. But how many people do you suppose inadvertently "steal" because they don't know any better? They boot up the laptop, see some connections available, choose one, and voila! They're online.

:shrug:

This can't be compared to taking someone's unlocked car or going in someone's unlocked home. This is more like living in a glass house with no curtains, then complaining that the neighbors are looking when you run around naked in your living room.

Your last braincell?

why...yours all gone?

Please provide the details of the "law" she is breaking.

She's not breaking into a secure network, she's not breaking in and stealing files (at least I don't think she is). She's not using any illegal devices to gain access. If she's sitting in her house, or on a public road, or even in a parking lot, she is breaking NO law.

Actually the person with the unsecrure wireless network maybe. Unlicensed bandwidth/ frequency encroaching on another person's property.

Gods law:
#8:...Thou shalt not steal.....
and
#10: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

is that simple enough for ya itty bitty bobbo?

Gods law:
#8:...Thou shalt not steal.....
and
#10: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

is that simple enough for ya itty bitty bobbo?

For a pious person, you have an awful nasty streak.

For a pious person, you have an awful nasty streak.


whoa buck-a-roo..... who said I'm pious?

stealing is stealing....and most people in a civilized society dont go around stealing what isnt theirs.....

hopefully she will go ask her neighbor..tell them how poor she is and how much she needs to get online...
and they will let her use their connection....

whoa buck-a-roo..... who said I'm pious?

stealing is stealing....and most people in a civilized society dont go around stealing what isnt theirs.....

hopefully she will go ask her neighbor..tell them how poor she is and how much she needs to get online...
and they will let her use their connection....

You start quoting religion to make a point, you're pious. Unless you don't believe what you post, then you're charlatan.

And regardless, you're still nasty.

I'm done.
Over and out.

...calling this stealing is the same as you tapping into their plumbing drain pipes and taking their waste water or using the light that comes out of their windows or the heat that leaks out of their home; Yes, they paid for it, the water, the light, the heat, but you're using what they waste. You are not costing them a single dime more unless and until they are paying for their bandwidth use which, at present, they are not.

I agree with the poster who said you might want to ask your neighbors and see if they mind, just as a simple courtesy. As it is, they either do not know or do not care because, like pulling the drapes, they can control your access with a few clicks of the mouse. Right now, they choose not to.

This is NOT a big deal. Not even a little one.
I think it's closer to throwing a bag of trash in someone else's dumpster. It hasn't hurt anyone and nobody notices, but it is technically illegal.

You start quoting religion to make a point, you're pious. Unless you don't believe what you post, then you're charlatan.

And regardless, you're still nasty.

I'm done.
Over and out.


plain and simple mr. over-sensitive guy...ya dont take/steal what is not yours...and i have no idea about current local, state, federal laws.....
Gods law came first...ya dont take stuff that is not yours and ya dont covet ya neighbors stuff either...

that aint being nasty bubba...it is fact.....
you live by your laws and ill do the same......

plain and simple mr. over-sensitive guy...ya dont take/steal what is not yours...and i have no idea about current local, state, federal laws.....
Gods law came first...ya dont take stuff that is not yours and ya dont covet ya neighbors stuff either...

that aint being nasty bubba...it is fact.....
you live by your laws and ill do the same......

I don't know you but I read your posts as an awfully chubby person.

I don't know you but I read your posts as an awfully chubby person.

:killingme:

you got a thing for chubbs??????

:yawn:

This thread is now officially tired. Can someone close it please.

Gods law:
#8:...Thou shalt not steal.....
and
#10: You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s."

is that simple enough for ya itty bitty bobbo?

Funny, I though #10 was "Thou Shalt Not Covet" I didn't know it went into so much detail. And since God is all knowing, and didn't mention band-width.. she's good. that and he's a benovelnt God so I doubt she'll suffer eternal damnation for borrowing it.

oh BTW, thanks for admitting that she's not breaking ANY law.

(you may want to look up what covet means)

Funny, I though #10 was "Thou Shalt Not Covet" I didn't know it went into so much detail. And since God is all knowing, and didn't mention band-width.. she's good. that and he's a benovelnt God so I doubt she'll suffer eternal damnation for borrowing it.

oh BTW, thanks for admitting that she's not breaking ANY law.

(you may want to look up what covet means)

I did bobbo.....and covet is what she did...she desired it and then she stole what she desired......

dont know if she believes in the Bible or the 10 Commandments...so I dont know if she broke any laws that guide her and shape her character and her morals.......

if she does believe in the Commandments..then she broke the law of God...

I did bobbo.....and covet is what she did...she desired it and then she stole what she desired......

dont know if she believes in the Bible or the 10 Commandments...so I dont know if she broke any laws that guide her and shape her character and her morals.......

if she does believe in the Commandments..then she broke the law of God...


Arguing with you is similar to fighting a man with no arms.

Not very challenging, and even less fun.

For a pious person, you have an awful nasty streak.There's a really simple reason: it's because she's a biatch. :yay:

There's a really simple reason: it's because she's a biatch. :yay:

But she's going to spend all time and eternity that is the paradise of heaven..

:killingme

DAMN, I almost got that out with a straight face..

There's a really simple reason: it's because she's a biatch. :yay:

Ah. Thought it might be something like that.......

There's a really simple reason: it's because she's a biatch. :yay:

:love:
don't tell BOB....:lol:

I know this is wrong but I am too poor to buy a computer and internet. So I borrow a laptop every so often and pick up on one of my neighbors wireless connection. My question is, can my neighbor tell when I am borrowing their internet? I might be currently doing this and my connection keeps going out and is hard to get back.

You might want to check out the "So I guess I'll be needing a lawyer" thread.

:popcorn:

So I asked my neighbor. Guess what he said he didn't care even told me if I ever need to really use the internet and can't get on I can come over and ask him if it's locked.

Annie... I believe in God and was baptized Catholic went to catholic school for 2 years. Am I a practicing Catholic? Not really. Like you, I believe that when everyone's time comes we will have someone to answer to. But, I believe I will be answering to God not Annie. If I choose to do wrong than let that be my problem not yours. What is the saying, " don't throw stones when you live in a glass house"(not sure what the saying is exactly). Am I perfect? Far from it. Got something else for you... Few years back I lived next to a very poor family who had 4 kids and one job(honestly it was one of those girls that you want to scream at and say"get your tubes tied). Anyways, I broke the law then also. Every so often they would run out of food stamps and come over and get food from me. I too was on food stamps and would share mine with them so 4 children wouldn't starve. Technically I wasn't supposed to do this but couldn't let 4 kids who did nothing to deserve this starve. Was it illegal? yes. But in my oppinion I was doing what God would want me to do, help my neighbors and those in need. Would you like to report me for this also?

So I asked my neighbor. Guess what he said he didn't care

:roflmao: There you go, all you :cds: people.

So I asked my neighbor. Guess what he said he didn't care even told me if I ever need to really use the internet and can't get on I can come over and ask him if it's locked.



:coffee: Post # 5. Glad you talked with him. So easy. Feel better about it all now?

Cmon who hasnt borrowed internet connection at one point or another.

Cmon who hasnt borrowed internet connection at one point or another.

me =)

course, I hate wifi anyway hehe

Cmon who hasnt borrowed internet connection at one point or another.

No integrity left. :ohwell:

No integrity left. :ohwell:

Lol

I completely agree with this and am laughing at all the holier than thou types who want to give OP a hard time about this. :lol:

The last thing in the world I would have featured either you or Larry for would be thieves, or people who would condone theft.

Just because the OP doesn't have to physically walk onto her neighbor's property to plug her CAT cable into their router doesn't mean she's not getting something she's not paying for.

Effectively, she's cyber-trespassing.

There are several active wireless networks in the area I live in, including a satellite link (probably the Comcast guy! :killingme), all of them but one or two are secured. Ours is secured as well, though I have to confess, it took a while to figure out how to do that. At any time during the time it took me to secure our network, if anyone had connected to our unsecured network, it would have been stealing.

I didn't have to "chose" to not secure our network; I had to become educated on how to do so. That doesn't matter. My "intent" isn't the issue.

That's an ISP they didn't have to pay, as well as a hub and wireless router they didn't have to buy. Plus, if they're big on downloading music, or whatever, that's bandwidth they're taking up that slows my internet browsing down.

I am paying my own bills that is why I don't have to listen to you.

Liar.

You're not paying for internet access. What else aren't you paying for?

I am very sweet if people are nice to me. I have also been through alot in my short life so far to know that I am living my life for me. I have said it before unless you are paying my bills, buying me nice things, or got that letter from God saying that if I just follow Kain rules I will get into heaven I will do what i must to survive.

Stealing internet access is survival?

You sound like a typical spoiled brat.

Who is the cheapest provider of wireless internet? :whistle:

sweatprincess' neighbor, apparently.

And to think, I'm paying for internet access every month when I could get it for free.

Wonder if that's part of the Change obamy was talking about.

I think if people in this day and age are stupid enough to leave their networks wide open, and not secure, then they deserve to have someone leech onto their signal.