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SoccerMom2
09-13-2009, 08:43 AM
Do you think they should legalize marijuana for medical purposes?

aps45819
09-13-2009, 09:33 AM
No
I don't think it's the governments job to legislate morality.

Merlin99
09-13-2009, 09:51 AM
No
I don't think it's the governments job to legislate morality.

How is adding another drug to a doctors arsenal legislating morality?

GWguy
09-13-2009, 11:18 AM
How is adding another drug to a doctors arsenal legislating morality?

I see it the same way. It's just a drug. But rather than making raw green available, I would think the active ingredients could be made into tablet form where controlled dosage is possible. Then it would be far more "acceptable" than the stigma of a bunch of pot heads.

Merlin99
09-13-2009, 11:56 AM
I see it the same way. It's just a drug. But rather than making raw green available, I would think the active ingredients could be made into tablet form where controlled dosage is possible. Then it would be far more "acceptable" than the stigma of a bunch of pot heads.

I don't care if it's smoked, injected or as a suppository, if a doctor recommends it as a viable treatment I think it should be allowed.

morningbell
09-13-2009, 12:04 PM
I see it the same way. It's just a drug. But rather than making raw green available, I would think the active ingredients could be made into tablet form where controlled dosage is possible. Then it would be far more "acceptable" than the stigma of a bunch of pot heads.

It is available in other forms other than smoke which I feel is just silly. When you smoke it lowers your immune system, no matter what you smoke. If it were true medicinal it should be taken internally, not to be inhaled.

I have a friend with MS and chronic pain, the Rx she takes only helps her so much before it becomes dangerous for her to take as she could overdose, yet still feel pain. When she eats Rx marijuana her pain is manageable for a longer period and she can function, take care of her child and not pass out as if she would if she were on the other Rx.

I'm pretty sure recreational pot won't be legalized as we can't regulate it. If you smoke a joint right now, feel it's effects, you can test positive for THC a week from now when you aren't high. Alcohol wears off when it's out of your system, yet I'm still not sure which is the safer drug.

EmptyTimCup
09-13-2009, 03:27 PM
If you smoke a joint right now, feel it's effects, you can test positive for THC a week from now when you aren't high. Alcohol wears off when it's out of your system, yet I'm still not sure which is the safer drug.



Don't Bogart that JOINT my Friend .............

TravisBickle
09-13-2009, 03:31 PM
Jails are overcrowded due to petty crimes such as Marijuana possession. Legalize it.

aps45819
09-13-2009, 04:36 PM
How is adding another drug to a doctors arsenal legislating morality?

If you're over 21, you should be allowed to fry your brain with any substance you choose, not wear a seat belt or a helmet, stick your fingers under a running mower and stand on the top step of a ladder.

You should also be held liable for the consequences

Merlin99
09-13-2009, 07:22 PM
If you're over 21, you should be allowed to fry your brain with any substance you choose, not wear a seat belt or a helmet, stick your fingers under a running mower and stand on the top step of a ladder.

You should also be held liable for the consequences

That sounds more like a yes than a no.

aps45819
09-13-2009, 07:27 PM
Do you think they should legalize marijuana for medical purposes?

That sounds more like a yes than a no.

Everything should be legal for medical purpose

Bay_Kat
09-13-2009, 07:33 PM
A pic my son sent me from California.

GWguy
09-13-2009, 08:43 PM
A pic my son sent me from California.

Nice sunset.


That IS what you were looking at, right? :lol:

Bay_Kat
09-13-2009, 08:45 PM
Nice sunset.


That IS what you were looking at, right? :lol:

Of course it was.

Larry Gude
09-13-2009, 09:05 PM
No
I don't think it's the governments job to legislate morality.

I do. Every law our government passes is a direct reflection of our values.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How in the heck does that government make smoking dope illegal yet allow American Idle?

SEABREEZE 1957
09-13-2009, 11:28 PM
I'm pretty sure recreational pot won't be legalized as we can't regulate it. If you smoke a joint right now, feel it's effects, you can test positive for THC a week from now when you aren't high. Alcohol wears off when it's out of your system, yet I'm still not sure which is the safer drug.

1. It could be regulated just like alcohol or any prescription drug. And taxed as well too.

2. Just because you can test 'positive' doesn't mean a person is still feeling the 'effects' of marijuana.

3. Alchohol is metabolized faster (6-10 hours) than most all drugs including cocaine, heroin, PCP, nicotine, codine and barbituates (which are all 2-4 days). Pot is 'detectable' anywhere between 1-28 days depending on usage.

4. No drug is 100% safe.

libertytyranny
09-14-2009, 09:02 AM
My great Aunt suffered with cancer pain and chemo's effects when she went through cancer...She used marijuana to deal witht the pain, and to keep her appetite and weight up..she told me that was the only thing that helped. I think it is sad that something that has the potential to be so helpful is barred to many. I say legalize it and tax it. When marijuana is ingested rather than smoked, and is done in normal doses, it is safe. Alcohol poisoning kills, but no one has ever died of a marijuana overdose..or of complications other than related to the actual smoking of the substance. There are so many people in jail and on probabtion because of silly pot charges...legalizing it would free up space and man power to go do more important things. I am all about it.

SamSpade
09-14-2009, 09:45 AM
Why is it needed at all for medical purposes?

I have a friend who is a doctor, and he said he's against it mainly because he thinks it's just an excuse to toke up, because there's tons of painkillers that actually work better.

Larry Gude
09-14-2009, 09:50 AM
Why is it needed at all for medical purposes?

I have a friend who is a doctor, and he said he's against it mainly because he thinks it's just an excuse to toke up, because there's tons of painkillers that actually work better.

I thought it was obvious to everyone that all this is is another path to legalization. :shrug:

Of course a corporate manufactured product with quality control is going to be better than whatever is on the street corner or grown by some small time outfit. However, we home brew. Plus, some people just like the whole smoking thing. :shrug:

TravisBickle
09-14-2009, 09:55 AM
The Federal Government is cashing in on medical marijuana sales right now as we speak.

libertytyranny
09-14-2009, 09:58 AM
Why is it needed at all for medical purposes?

I have a friend who is a doctor, and he said he's against it mainly because he thinks it's just an excuse to toke up, because there's tons of painkillers that actually work better.


Painkillers are addictive..marijuana is not. Not to mention its positive impact on glaucoma and chemo induced anorexia.

TravisBickle
09-14-2009, 09:59 AM
Painkillers are addictive..marijuana is not. Not to mention its positive impact on glaucoma and chemo induced anorexia.

Sorry, but marijuana is addictive.

libertytyranny
09-14-2009, 10:09 AM
Sorry, but marijuana is addictive.

Marijuana can be psychologically addicting..but then again so can any substance you believe you come to rely on. Rarely there will be evidence of withdrawel symptoms in people that are chronic heavy users that consume extreme amounts...But is very rare.
Caffiene and alcohol have higher addiction ratings than marijuana does. your body produces a very similar compound and marijuana fits into the same receptors
The label of addictive is simply a scare tactic...no one advocates making caffiene illegal.

TravisBickle
09-14-2009, 10:10 AM
Marijuana can be psychologically addicting...

so then it's addicting :duh:

libertytyranny
09-14-2009, 10:13 AM
so then it's addicting :duh:

And to me..so are doritos.

Physiological addiction is a different animal altogether.

Radiant1
09-14-2009, 10:19 AM
so then it's addicting :duh:

:offtopic: Do you listen to Rancid while driving a taxi?

Larry Gude
09-14-2009, 10:21 AM
Sorry, but marijuana is addictive.

:lol:

Then so are Fritos and ice cream.

TravisBickle
09-14-2009, 10:28 AM
:lol:

Then so are Fritos and ice cream.

and your point is?

Radiant1
09-14-2009, 10:41 AM
and your point is?

I believe the point is that marijuana although possibly psychologically addictive like other everyday things is not enough to negate it's use in medicinal form, as it's not physiologically addictive as are other prescription meds.

If one were to use the psychological possibities of addiction as a factor then no medication or even vitamins/herbal supplements would be used for health purposes. :shrug:

Larry Gude
09-14-2009, 10:42 AM
and your point is?

It's not addictive. Neother are Frito's or ice cream.

morningbell
09-14-2009, 12:39 PM
[QUOTE=SEABREEZE 1957;3960953]1. It could be regulated just like alcohol or any prescription drug. And taxed as well too.

2. Just because you can test 'positive' doesn't mean a person is still feeling the 'effects' of marijuana.

[QUOTE]

You're not feeling high 2 days later but you test positive for it, again EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT HIGH.....

The reason I say you can't regulate it is because you can't test for it accurately. Lets say I get together with my High School buddies and for old times sake we smoke up :cool:
A week later I'm at work and I have an accident, it's the kind of job where if you make a mistake you have to be drug tested, I test positive for marijuana BUT I'M NOT HIGH.....

That is why you can't regulate marijuana....

libertytyranny
09-14-2009, 01:18 PM
[QUOTE=SEABREEZE 1957;3960953]1. It could be regulated just like alcohol or any prescription drug. And taxed as well too.

2. Just because you can test 'positive' doesn't mean a person is still feeling the 'effects' of marijuana.

[QUOTE]

You're not feeling high 2 days later but you test positive for it, again EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT HIGH.....

The reason I say you can't regulate it is because you can't test for it accurately. Lets say I get together with my High School buddies and for old times sake we smoke up :cool:
A week later I'm at work and I have an accident, it's the kind of job where if you make a mistake you have to be drug tested, I test positive for marijuana BUT I'M NOT HIGH.....

That is why you can't regulate marijuana....


This is very true..and probably the one good argument against legalization..but I think that with some coming technology..and good field testing..we could overcome this issue...

morningbell
09-14-2009, 01:22 PM
This is very true..and probably the one good argument against legalization..but I think that with some coming technology..and good field testing..we could overcome this issue...

I think the only way to get over that is if a strain is developed in a lab.... think "Pot Light" where it's out of your system as quickly as alcohol metabolizes. I don't know that specifics of that, if it could even be done.

libertytyranny
09-14-2009, 01:28 PM
I think the only way to get over that is if a strain is developed in a lab.... think "Pot Light" where it's out of your system as quickly as alcohol metabolizes. I don't know that specifics of that, if it could even be done.

I know many legalization groups are funding research on this sort of thing..not only for legalization purposes but also for law enforcement...When researching for a paper in school I did read where they were working on making the test more sensitive so that they could determine how long ago the marijuana was smoked..at least a tighter range than they can now..also discussed is a way to take a fat tissue sample (as pot is stored in the fat) to determine a time frame..Until then there are fairly reliable field tests..I'm sure with time it could be worked out. Though you think that if taco bell delivered there would be a lot less pot heads on the roads..:killingme I joke.

morningbell
09-14-2009, 02:15 PM
I know many legalization groups are funding research on this sort of thing..not only for legalization purposes but also for law enforcement...When researching for a paper in school I did read where they were working on making the test more sensitive so that they could determine how long ago the marijuana was smoked..at least a tighter range than they can now..also discussed is a way to take a fat tissue sample (as pot is stored in the fat) to determine a time frame..Until then there are fairly reliable field tests..I'm sure with time it could be worked out. Though you think that if taco bell delivered there would be a lot less pot heads on the roads..:killingme I joke.

:lmao:

SEABREEZE 1957
09-14-2009, 08:58 PM
1. It could be regulated just like alcohol or any prescription drug. And taxed as well too.

2. Just because you can test 'positive' doesn't mean a person is still feeling the 'effects' of marijuana.




You're not feeling high 2 days later but you test positive for it, again EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT HIGH.....

The reason I say you can't regulate it is because you can't test for it accurately. Lets say I get together with my High School buddies and for old times sake we smoke up :cool:
A week later I'm at work and I have an accident, it's the kind of job where if you make a mistake you have to be drug tested, I test positive for marijuana BUT I'M NOT HIGH.....

That is why you can't regulate marijuana....

I thought you were referring to 'regulation' as in 'selling' it for legal purposes, not for criminal or negligence reasons.

An individual can regulate what they do or don't do. Would you drink before going to work? Would you get stoned before going to work?

Of course not... (well most people wouldn't)

The only reason you are drug tested is because of an accident & they are looking to see if 'any' drug was the cause. Whether it's legal or illegal.

Let's be real - Casual use of pot would not have 'caused' an accident a week later. Alcohol use the night before however, may have.

This is why I'm against 'drug testing' when there is no reasonable cause - if you reek of alcohol, or you're acting 'incapacitated, or you're off in your own little world scratching imaginary bugs on your body - that's reasonable cause.

JMHO.

TurboK9
09-15-2009, 12:59 PM
[QUOTE=SEABREEZE 1957;3960953] Lets say I get together with my High School buddies and for old times sake we smoke up :cool:
A week later I'm at work and I have an accident, it's the kind of job where if you make a mistake you have to be drug tested, I test positive for marijuana BUT I'M NOT HIGH.....

That is why you can't regulate marijuana....

If it is legalized, that does not mean you have to smoke it... If you have a worry due to your job, don't smoke it. Easy peasy! :shrug:

If you want to smoke it, get a job where it's accepted.

USWWarrior
09-15-2009, 03:00 PM
If you're over 21, you should be allowed to fry your brain with any substance you choose, not wear a seat belt or a helmet, stick your fingers under a running mower and stand on the top step of a ladder.

You should also be held liable for the consequences

I wish it were that easy. Today, I cannot light a cigarette up in most places because the police state we live in dictates on where I can smoke and the taxes help pay for illegal alien healthcare.

Any legalizing marijuana will be different how?

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 03:17 PM
If it is legalized, that does not mean you have to smoke it... If you have a worry due to your job, don't smoke it. Easy peasy! :shrug:

If you want to smoke it, get a job where it's accepted.
So, what about when someone slams into my car at high speeds high off their ass? Do I just...accept that?

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 03:20 PM
Painkillers are addictive..marijuana is not. Not to mention its positive impact on glaucoma and chemo induced anorexia.
That is largely determinate on the individual.

TurboK9
09-15-2009, 03:21 PM
So, what about when someone slams into my car at high speeds high off their ass? Do I just...accept that?

Yup. Same way you would if they were drunk. There ARE ways to tell if a person is stoned that are admissable in court, and they are prosecuted just like a drunk, so that argument there is moot.

I'm not a stoner, heck I rarely even drink, but I have no problem with the legalization of MJ. I say, tax the crap out of it, and leave my paycheck alone.

libertytyranny
09-15-2009, 03:21 PM
So, what about when someone slams into my car at high speeds high off their ass? Do I just...accept that?

I do know what you are saying..but I do have to add that people high on marijuana are mopre likely to be going below the speed limit :)


But there are fairly accurate field tests..pupil sizes..etc to determine what people are high on..if everything else has been ruled out..and blood tests indicate marijuana is in the system..I think that would be a logical way to charge someone with being DUI

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 03:24 PM
Yup. Same way you would if they were drunk. There ARE ways to tell if a person is stoned that are admissable in court, and they are prosecuted just like a drunk, so that argument there is moot.

I'm not a stoner, heck I rarely even drink, but I have no problem with the legalization of MJ. I say, tax the crap out of it, and leave my paycheck alone.
One wrong doesn't make another right. Just because drunk driving is an issue doesn't mean some stoner has the right to do the same on a continual basis.

libertytyranny
09-15-2009, 03:25 PM
No one is advocating that it be legal to drive stoned. It is illegal just as driving under the influence of any drug is.

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 03:29 PM
No one is advocating that it be legal to drive stoned. It is illegal just as driving under the influence of any drug is.
Don't get me wrong, I'd be up for medicinal usage just not full-fledged legalization. The discussion started to trend towards full-fledged legalization. I think we're a long way away from that if it ever happens whatsoever.

libertytyranny
09-15-2009, 03:32 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'd be up for medicinal usage just not full-fledged legalization. The discussion started to trend towards full-fledged legalization. I think we're a long way away from that if it ever happens whatsoever.

Though I think legalization is a neat idea..im with ya on medicinal usage...I think it may be helpful..and why keep that from someone who may benefit?

MrZ06
09-15-2009, 04:18 PM
no, it should not be legal. I hate potheads. They are so stupid.

SoccerMom2
09-15-2009, 05:10 PM
I believe it should only be used for medical purposes only. Cancer patients can benefit from it.

Merlin99
09-15-2009, 05:13 PM
no, it should not be legal. I hate potheads. They are so stupid.
Admit it, you just smoked a doobie didn't you. (just trying to come up with an explanation for your writing style)

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 05:23 PM
Admit it, you just smoked a doobie didn't you. (just trying to come up with an explanation for your writing style)
:lmao:

DipStick
09-15-2009, 05:42 PM
Why is it needed at all for medical purposes?

I have a friend who is a doctor, and he said he's against it mainly because he thinks it's just an excuse to toke up, because there's tons of painkillers that actually work better.

Prescription pain killers also have much more damaging long-term effects, and are much more addictive.

BTW, people toke up on pain pills all the time.

Not only should it be legal for medical purposes, it should be legal altogether.

Tilted
09-15-2009, 06:44 PM
Not only should it be legal for medical purposes, it should be legal altogether.

Of course it should. It's surreal to me, that the question of whether or not it should be legal is a point of any real debate. What kind of arrogance is required to make one think that they should have the right to decide what another adult can put in their body? I remain perplexed at the notion that so many people can be ferociously fervent in defense of certain kinds of liberty, while also being amazingly apathetic about other kinds of liberty - even wanting those other kinds of liberty, that are just as fundamental, just as inalienable, and just as meritorious, to be squashed. How can such a condition exist in any environment where intellectual honesty pervades?

I've never smoked pot in my life. In fact, I've intentionally removed myself from environments where it was being smoked. I've never had a use for it, and don't particularly care to alter my interface with reality (and when I want to alter my mood, I don't need a substance to helf me do so). I've never used any kind of illicit drug. I don't really even drink - you could probably fit all of the alcohol that I've consumed in my entire life in two one-gallon jugs. Frankly, I've never fully understood what useful purpose alcohol serves, and I can easily recognize a lot of problems that are associated with its use. That said, who the hell am I to tell someone they can't drink? That's their business, except to the extent that it affects their relationship with me - in which case it is a relationship issue between myself and them. If someone else behaves in a way that affects me (because they chose to drink), then their behavior might become my business - but only then and only that.

So many of the choices that people make are stupid, or un-productive, or self-destructive, or misguided, or wasteful, or whatever - but they aren't illegal. I'm just not arrogant enough to believe that most of the things that other people do are my business.

SEABREEZE 1957
09-15-2009, 09:58 PM
So, what about when someone slams into my car at high speeds high off their ass? Do I just...accept that?

If anyone slams into your ass 'high' they deserve to be prosecuted regardless of the drug.

My grandmoher (God Bless her soul) was 'stoned' on Valium once & caused all kinds of damage...she was convicted of a DUI.

My brother (who lives in San Francisco, as she did at the time) moved there because 'medical marijuana' is legal. He has serious pain due to a bad accident he had where he broke bones in his spine - to make a long story short - he offered her some medicinal marijuana after she was starting to get whacked out on Valium. She tried it & it worked. She's not a tobacco smoker, but would once a day, sometimes two, take a few tokes for pain. She was a different woman vs. the Valium.

It helped her pain (she was 87 yrs. old at the time & passed away at age 99)

It helped her pain & she never got into another incident where 'a drug' made her incapicitated. She drove without incident until she was 90.

#1 When is the last time someone was convicted of smoking marijuana & slammed into someone's azz? Not worth arguing. :coffee:

#2 What can I do about the cracked out freaks harrassing me in the Shopper's parking lot?

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 10:25 PM
If anyone slams into your ass 'high' they deserve to be prosecuted regardless of the drug.


That's after the fact when I'm seriously injured or dead. A lot of good that's gonna' help me after the fact.

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 10:38 PM
#1 When is the last time someone was convicted of smoking marijuana & slammed into someone's azz? Not worth arguing. :coffee:


Not sure about the regularity of it but I'm glad someone finally brought this up. Actually, I was hit in this particular instance and was lucky. Totaled my SUV, had glass shatter in my face, helli in the air. Turns out the guy was high off his ass riding on a motorcycle no less.

I see no reason to see the problem escalated even if it's minimal at it's current point.

BuddyLee
09-15-2009, 10:39 PM
#2 What can I do about the cracked out freaks harrassing me in the Shopper's parking lot?
Give em' Ramen noodles.:yay:

morningbell
09-16-2009, 03:30 AM
If anyone slams into your ass 'high' they deserve to be prosecuted regardless of the drug.

My grandmoher (God Bless her soul) was 'stoned' on Valium once & caused all kinds of damage...she was convicted of a DUI.


OMG, MY MOM!!! I'm worried now:frown:
She isn't on Valium but on pain Rx, good thing she only drives a few blocks where she lives. I have been bugging her to sell the house and move in with me.

Pushrod
09-16-2009, 08:05 AM
The Constitution does not authorize the Federal government to regulate any of our lifestyles, whether it be booze, drugs, or whatever. It should be a states issue and a states issue alone. And honestly, what a person does to, or puts in their bodies should be no ones business but their own, as long as what they do doesn't infringe on other persons liberties.

jrt_ms1995
09-16-2009, 01:47 PM
no one advocates making caffiene illegal.

Islamofascists? Mormons?

I voted "no", since our constitutional government has never had authority to make it illegal, it's really already legal, and it would be pointless to legalize something which isn't illegal. Of course, this has nothing to do with our government as it actually behaves.

BuddyLee
09-16-2009, 08:36 PM
And honestly, what a person does to, or puts in their bodies should be no ones business but their own, as long as what they do doesn't infringe on other persons liberties.
Therein lies the problem.

Pushrod
09-17-2009, 07:02 AM
Therein lies the problem.

That shouldn't be a problem, I infringe on your liberties, I go to jail, you on mine, you go to jail. Seems pretty simple to me. Oh, that should hold true for bureaucrates also!

BuddyLee
09-17-2009, 12:32 PM
That shouldn't be a problem, I infringe on your liberties, I go to jail, you on mine, you go to jail. Seems pretty simple to me. Oh, that should hold true for bureaucrates also!
Too bad it's not that simple. There's a lot of heartache in between.

Dukesdad
09-17-2009, 12:44 PM
Drop "medical" and legalize it. Make it like smokes and alcohol; have to be of a certain age, tax it, test people who get pulled over for DUI and spend the funds currently wasted on combating it on bigger issues.
puff puff pass:coffee:

JoeMac
09-25-2009, 08:55 AM
Legalize it for regular use, sell it like alcohol and tax it. The war on drugs has been one of the biggest flops in American history. It has failed. Pot will be legalized give it another five years. Look at prohibition for example. That didn't last and neither will this. There is a major push to legalize it and as you see supporters come into government it will come just be patient. There is also a major push to legalize the commercial growth of hemp for textiles, food/oil, fuel and other things. We are the only industrialized nation that does not allow it. It could be another major boon for our economy, even a replacement for tobacco in our community.

Anybody who has tried pot knows it's not addictive. I would also venture to guess the statistics on marijuana related auto accidents is staggeringly low.

In MD it is legal for medicinal use already. If you go to court over it and they convict you, if you can PROVE you have a medical condition the max fine you can get is $100.

The government has no business in peoples lives, in the economy, in health care or religion. They need to make the laws and enforce them, that's it.

JoeMac
09-25-2009, 08:56 AM
I just took the pole and that should show everyone that this will be a non issue in another 5 years. 4 times as more people want it legalized than not. Enough said.

Toxick
09-25-2009, 09:03 AM
So, what about when someone slams into my car at high speeds high off their ass? Do I just...accept that?


Slams into your car at high speeds? While stoned?
Your typical stoner drives at about 12 MPH.

Tops.



A better plan would be to make alcohol illegal. Then there'd be no drunk drivers - who are significantly more dangerous than stoned drivers.

TWERP
09-25-2009, 09:05 AM
I think they should legalize weed and prostitution as a package deal so when I'm stoned I won't be lonely.......

Toxick
09-25-2009, 09:07 AM
I think they should legalize weed and prostitution as a package deal so when I'm stoned I won't be lonely.......


:lol:
Tell your hooker to bring Doritos.

BuddyLee
09-26-2009, 12:50 AM
Slams into your car at high speeds? While stoned?
Your typical stoner drives at about 12 MPH.

Tops.



A better plan would be to make alcohol illegal. Then there'd be no drunk drivers - who are significantly more dangerous than stoned drivers.
We all know how that worked out the first time.

JoeMac
09-26-2009, 09:42 AM
We all know how that worked out the first time.

So, your saying alcohol should be illegal too?

morningbell
09-26-2009, 10:53 AM
Oh, this is funny.....


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BuddyLee
09-26-2009, 11:00 PM
So, your saying alcohol should be illegal too?
No, I'm saying if you know your history you'll know that the "ban" or "amendment" against alcohol didn't go so well.

oldman
09-26-2009, 11:46 PM
I'll admit there are lots of people that want it legalized and believe that sometime in the future it will be. But those that do also want government involvement, like regulate and tax. Therein lies the problem as I see it. I also believe for some medical purposes it is probably a good thing. You younger people will have it to deal with and I wish you luck. As an older person I do not wish to see it happen as I believe we have enough mind altering stuff to deal with as is. And to those that suggest it doesn't alter you mind all I can say is perhaps not yours, but I tried it once.

BS Gal
09-26-2009, 11:53 PM
I'll admit there are lots of people that want it legalized and believe that sometime in the future it will be. But those that do also want government involvement, like regulate and tax. Therein lies the problem as I see it. I also believe for some medical purposes it is probably a good thing. You younger people will have it to deal with and I wish you luck. As an older person I do not wish to see it happen as I believe we have enough mind altering stuff to deal with as is. And to those that suggest it doesn't alter you mind all I can say is perhaps not yours, but I tried it once.

However, Oldman, if you have cancer, and the drugs you are using aren't working.......I am in a lot of pain. Will pot help? Maybe......

oldman
09-27-2009, 12:11 AM
From all my reading for some medical cases using MJ can and does bring some good relief. I'm sure here in SOMD you could find a doctor to prescribe it or find some on the street easily enough. Heck, if I was hurting I'd at least try it. Bud works for me for the time being.

itsbob
09-27-2009, 12:30 AM
So, your saying alcohol should be illegal too?

Why would you want to make alcohol illegal, you can't make paper products with bourbon or beer..

BuddyLee
09-27-2009, 02:42 AM
I'll admit there are lots of people that want it legalized and believe that sometime in the future it will be. But those that do also want government involvement, like regulate and tax. Therein lies the problem as I see it. I also believe for some medical purposes it is probably a good thing. You younger people will have it to deal with and I wish you luck. As an older person I do not wish to see it happen as I believe we have enough mind altering stuff to deal with as is. And to those that suggest it doesn't alter you mind all I can say is perhaps not yours, but I tried it once.
I don't think it will become legalized anytime soon. Perhaps for medicinal purposes but that's about it.

No politician will touch this with a 10 foot pole.

JoeMac
09-27-2009, 08:51 AM
Why would you want to make alcohol illegal, you can't make paper products with bourbon or beer..

I didn't say to make alcohol illegal, if you read my post you will see it has a question mark behind it. I was asking another poster if that is what he was saying.

Also if you read my other posts you would know where I stand.

SoccerMom2
09-27-2009, 05:03 PM
My step sisters mom has lung cancer. he was so sick during her 3 round's of chemo. Well my brother sparked a doobie with her and it really helped her.The docs gave her 6 months to live . She had 7 tumors all in her. They have shrunk. Now that she can actually eat and not be in so much pain she seems to be doing better. To me that is living proof. Pot helps cancer patients!

itsbob
09-27-2009, 07:38 PM
I didn't say to make alcohol illegal, if you read my post you will see it has a question mark behind it. I was asking another poster if that is what he was saying.

Also if you read my other posts you would know where I stand.

.. and if you understood sarcasm, and the history behind Cannabis being illegal, who was in the forefront lobbying congress to make it illegal, maybe you'd "GET" what I posted.

Tilted
10-19-2009, 10:16 AM
Feds to Issue New Medical Marijuana Policy (http://www.cnbc.com/id/33376005)


Federal drug agents won't pursue pot-smoking patients or their sanctioned suppliers in states that allow medical marijuana, under new legal guidelines to be issued Monday by the Obama administration.

Two Justice Department officials described the new policy to The Associated Press, saying prosecutors will be told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state law.

The guidelines to be issued by the department do, however, make it clear that agents will go after people whose marijuana distribution goes beyond what is permitted under state law or use medical marijuana as a cover for other crimes, the officials said.

The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.

cmhurley1
10-25-2009, 11:02 PM
it absolutely should be, Salvia is legal and marijuana is not? the trip that salvia produces is FAR more intense then the high feeling from marijuana, and its not even a medical drug. Alcohol is legal, and marijuana is not? well you know where im going with that one. in the end it comes down to one thing, money, money, money. until our lovely government can find some way to fatten their wallets off of it, MJ will remain illegal. as far as what i think, marijuana is by far the safest "psychoactive drug" (though its a plant, not a drug) there is, it should be legalized, taxed and have restrictions similar to that of alcohol (i would not recommend driving super blazed, but thats just me) do it to it guys.

libertytyranny
10-26-2009, 09:17 AM
it absolutely should be, Salvia is legal and marijuana is not? the trip that salvia produces is FAR more intense then the high feeling from marijuana, and its not even a medical drug. Alcohol is legal, and marijuana is not? well you know where im going with that one. in the end it comes down to one thing, money, money, money. until our lovely government can find some way to fatten their wallets off of it, MJ will remain illegal. as far as what i think, marijuana is by far the safest "psychoactive drug" (though its a plant, not a drug) there is, it should be legalized, taxed and have restrictions similar to that of alcohol (i would not recommend driving super blazed, but thats just me) do it to it guys.

Many states are taking steps to control the use of salvia for recreational purposes.

softcrab
10-30-2009, 07:12 PM
Do you think they should legalize marijuana for medical purposes?

Define medical.

JoeMac
10-30-2009, 07:26 PM
Define medical.

Something you see a doctor for. Maryland law states that if you can PROVE in court that you have a medical condition that MJ helps the max fine they can give you is $100. So technically I would call it legal now. I also know people who have been stopped and had MJ on them and the cop gave them a ticket for it and sent them on their way.

I think in the next 3-5 years it will be legalized and taxed. I see industrial hemp being legalized before that. From what I have read hemp could be a great replacement crop for our local tobacco farmers who's buyout is expiring very soon.

softcrab
10-30-2009, 07:39 PM
But what of the large contingent with out medical insurance, or just do'n;t go tho the doctor out of shame or whatever. I think a lot of pot use is self medicating. As well as other addictive substances.

JoeMac
10-30-2009, 07:48 PM
That's a good point, people like me.

Maybe have some type of program where they can go to the doctor and get a doctors note. Not a prescription because that generally means they treated you for something. The fed pays the doctor with either the tax revenue or the money saved by the elimination of the war on drugs. I would think the cost would be pretty low for this. Another option might be a clinic, they are usually lower cost.

Then say you MUST have a note or a prescription for those with insurance.

From what I can tell only about 20% of the population don't have insurance. How many of those would use if it was illegal? I doubt it would be a major issue.

I might come up with a better response but that will do for now.

softcrab
10-30-2009, 08:04 PM
Some insurance won,t cover psych anyway. Latest research points to brain chemical imbalance/genetic but for whatever cause; if a chemical/medicine helps for a better life experience vs harm ? Natural medicine is historic and I feel the use of cannabis falls there in that history.

JoeMac
10-30-2009, 09:05 PM
My thoughts are that it should be treated more like alcohol than prescription medication. That solves the whole discussion. With medical use you run into the whole policing thing. If it's treated like alcohol, we already have somewhat functioning infrastructure to address it.

JosephIV
12-07-2009, 10:56 AM
I'm for Legal Marijuana. I see no reason why we wouldn't allow humans access to one more medicine to manage pain, nausea, weight, etc.

In SMC we have plenty of people waiting in CVS for opiates to control their pain. I don't hear of anyone crying out against this. The people went through the loopholes of seeing a doctor, getting a prescription, and whatever process the pharmacy requires before getting the opiate.

If people have to go through the same process to get medicinal marijuana why should we view it differently? Look at the crap that Rush Limbaugh was taking. It was a highly addictive painkiller. (he went so far as obtaining it illegally, it was that addictive)

Cigarettes are legal and they lead to sickness and death, alcohol is legal and it leads to sickness and death. Neither are intended to treat illness or contribute to pain management yet our society tolerates their use. For some reason some stuck up jerks are ok with this yet demonize medicinal pot. Why?

If marijuana was the only thing that relieved a loved ones pain I highly doubt those on the supposed "moral high ground" against legal medicinal pot would want the loved one to suffer just so they could keep that high ground.

GWguy
12-10-2009, 02:49 PM
DC is going to do it.....

Medical Marijuana on the Way in D.C. | NBC Washington (http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/Medical-Marijuana-on-the-Way-in-DC-78960992.html)

Madman
12-10-2009, 05:33 PM
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It bothers me that there is an alternative out there, but doctors shy away from prescribing it.

garyt27
12-12-2009, 04:23 PM
The carnage caused by drunken idiot drivers is mind bending. You have people up in Congress drunk. (they must be) cause they do not admit to using pot. The whiskey and beer brewers have very deep pockets. I am a recovering alcoholic and that drug cost me a whole helluva lot more than all the pot I smoked in my life. I used to light up almost everyday and still would if i did not have to be tested. I get a random test and I go to work everyday and pay my taxes, Now welfare mommas, they dont have to be tested to get taxpayers money. Then there is the thing about how pot is going to eventually turn you to harder drugs, Bullshiat. Do people who only drink beer, move on to whiskey!? I do not know any perverted pot heads, but I bet you all the sex offenders on the state registry are drunks or hard drinkers. Oh legalization is coming then the country will be better off. Cause then you will have a joint lunch instead of Martini lunches. Once all the good old boys are gone from Washington that is. Light one up for me people! Oh by the way, I started smoking reefer when i was in the U.S. Army:coffee:


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