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Rael
09-13-2009, 01:25 PM
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This is about the place nobody ever wants to go to in the house. Under the house. I always called it "the cave". Cold floors above it in the winter time from open vents to the outside, and moldy in the hot, humid weather. A ~23' x 26' x 48"H empty, musty, dark, spider web and thousand legger infested space. It had generations of old vinyl siding, a sink, old duct work laying around, and was unlevel as the builders had left it 35 years ago. It's only purpose might have been to scare a young kid into believing that this is the place where the kids go who don't brush their teeth. :evil:

But then I started brainstorming on how I could use this area to 1) claim my garage back, and 2) to get more room in the utility room at the cave entry. I did some research and decided to seal up the area. First step was removing all of the debris, leveling it out to just a very minor slope (just in case of a water event). Then I removed the vapor barrier covering the joists above (still have to remove the insulation).

Installers came and spray-foam insulated the entire exterior area between the joists while closing up the vents. They hung this thick, reinforced vapor barrier all the way around on the walls, and taped it to an even thicker floor barrier which sat on top of a convex-concave plastic floor liner.

My 11 year old water heater was in the adjacent utility room at the cave entry, and was showing visible signs of rust along the bottom. Also, it was only using one heating element, so it was definitely time to get a new one. I had them replumb to the (now white cave and hooked up the new water heater in there (bought a 50 gal. low-boy to fit in there). Ran wiring to install two light fixtures. Bought and assembled two 3' x 8' racks, they hang from the joists. The goal is nothing on the floor.

While it is still an unfinished project, you can see the direction I'm going with it. There will be more racks. The temptation to fill yet another storage area with un-needed stuff is what I'm going to try avoiding. Just thought I'd share this, I really believe it was a very worthwhile project.

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Rael
09-13-2009, 01:29 PM
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Also, forgot to mention the dehumidifier. Right now it is set to the very driest setting, and it runs maybe 10 or 15 minutes every few hours. That's with the entry door open and our house windows and doors open for ventilation.


Now onto FOOTBALL! :cheers:

morningbell
09-13-2009, 01:40 PM
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Also, forgot to mention the dehumidifier. Right now it is set to the very driest setting, and it runs maybe 10 or 15 minutes every few hours. That's with the entry door open and our house windows and doors open for ventilation.


Now onto FOOTBALL! :cheers:

Great job! Feels good, doesn't it :biggrin:
I clicked on your thread b/c of my mother's house, her crawl space is much tighter and on sand (she lives 3 blocks from the beach). I'm looking for solutions to make things easier for her as she doesn't want to sell right now....

Rael
09-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Great job! Feels good, doesn't it :biggrin:
I clicked on your thread b/c of my mother's house, her crawl space is much tighter and on sand (she lives 3 blocks from the beach). I'm looking for solutions to make things easier for her as she doesn't want to sell right now....

Thanks! Definitely feels good, wished to have thought of this years ago. Not sure how much your mom will be able to do if there's not much room to move around.

DoWhat
09-13-2009, 02:30 PM
Awesome job Rael!!!!

Looks good.

Rael
09-13-2009, 03:50 PM
Awesome job Rael!!!!

Looks good.
Thanks, I'll probably make an additional rack on each of the ones shown (depth on those is 45"), rather than stacking things. Also, I plan to place bottom support (pvc) under each of the corners so it can both hold more weight and not cause the joists to sag.

There's room down there for at least another six 4' x 8' racks. :yay:

DoWhat
09-13-2009, 04:13 PM
Thanks, I'll probably make an additional rack on each of the ones shown (depth on those is 45"), rather than stacking things. Also, I plan to place bottom support (pvc) under each of the corners so it can both hold more weight and not cause the joists to sag.

There's room down there for at least another six 4' x 8' racks. :yay:

How high is the crawl space?

DoWhat
09-13-2009, 04:18 PM
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they hang from the joists. The goal is nothing on the floor.


What size joists?
1 x ??

Rael
09-13-2009, 04:23 PM
How high is the crawl space?
48" from the bottom of the joists to the floor.
What size joists?
1 x ??
Actual width around 1.5" (2 x 10s)

DoWhat
09-13-2009, 04:30 PM
48" from the bottom of the joists to the floor.

Actual width around 1.5" (2 x 10s)

Ooops, I meant 2 x ??

2 x 10's good.

I have 2 x 10's (joists) in the attached gargage that I am going to put in a pull down stair case, and put down 5/8" flooring for more storage.

Rael
09-13-2009, 06:21 PM
Ooops, I meant 2 x ??

2 x 10's good.

I have 2 x 10's (joists) in the attached gargage that I am going to put in a pull down stair case, and put down 5/8" flooring for more storage.

Good idea, I did the same a while back. :yay: Is there a lot of room up there? Ours isn't very convenient, plus I can't get the stairs down right now because of all the crap in the garage. I loathe going up in that area. Seems every time I need to, it's 130 degrees! :lol: Good space to have, though.

DoWhat
09-13-2009, 06:47 PM
Is there a lot of room up there.

I could stand up in the center, but we have a 12x12 pitch on the roof.

Dye Tied
09-13-2009, 07:21 PM
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Also, forgot to mention the dehumidifier. Right now it is set to the very driest setting, and it runs maybe 10 or 15 minutes every few hours. That's with the entry door open and our house windows and doors open for ventilation.


Now onto FOOTBALL! :cheers:

Looking good and throw things out. It's very cathartic :buddies:

Rael
09-13-2009, 08:58 PM
Looking good and throw things out. It's very cathartic :buddies:

:yeahthat: Good word, cathartic. Had to look it up just to make sure I understood it. :lmao:

About purging, I was always good at throwing things out (moving every few years), but haven't had to do that for 9 yrs. After a while things just accumulate.


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