I just simply can't believe that he was so disrespectful to common decency to brag about purchasing votes that he was so open about it in the press conference to say it was simply how things should be done, and then smirkingly deride the honest senators for not getting their own pork.

HdP70qHMoJA

2010

Get out the brooms -- we need to CLEAN HOUSE!!!!

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It's a Youtube video -- here is URL

YouTube - Reid Defends Deals to Get to 60 Votes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdP70qHMoJA&feature=player_embedded)

Hope it's not blocked where you are!

You beat me! :lol:

On my computer, you beat me!

(I'm trying to be helpful elf today, :lmao:)

2010

Get out the brooms -- we need to CLEAN HOUSE!!!!

Well, "we're" not going to do that, so might as well get used to it. It boggles the mind that there are still supposedly "intelligent" adults who are on board with this whole agenda.

Well, "we're" not going to do that, so might as well get used to it. It boggles the mind that there are still supposedly "intelligent" adults who are on board with this whole agenda.

Well now, you see, that is exactly the problem. We no longer have a majority of intelligent adults running things. When you combine that with voter apathy, laziness, and our natural inclination to just let things go along the way they are until they become absolutely intolerable before we actually put forth the effort to do something about it, well, there you have the reason for why things are the way they are. The only thing remaining to be seen is what exactly will be the tipping point for action!

The only thing remaining to be seen is what exactly will be the tipping point for action!

The Revolutionary War was instigated by a handful of patriots. Independence from Britain was by no means a popular cause, not even after we ran off the redcoats.

So when, not if, it happens, it won't be some tidy constitutional voting out of the criminals.

The Revolutionary War was instigated by a handful of patriots. Independence from Britain was by no means a popular cause, not even after we ran off the redcoats.

So when, not if, it happens, it won't be some tidy constitutional voting out of the criminals.

I very much fear that you are absolutely correct. My rose-colored glasses (what's left of them, which is not very much in this area) would much prefer to do it the easy way -- voting them out to send a message. I'm afraid, though, that the rot is too insidious for that to be effective any more, sigh...

I very much fear that you are absolutely correct.

I used to think people were nutty when they'd talk about a modern revolution - kooks living in the woods with MREs and a stockpile of weapons. I don't think they're so nutty anymore.

I used to think people were nutty when they'd talk about a modern revolution - kooks living in the woods with MREs and a stockpile of weapons. I don't think they're so nutty anymore.

And that is the part that is so scary. My Dad used to say all the time that this country was headed for another Revolution (descended from Revolutionary War soldier, was a member of 101st Airborne & served in Korean War). My reaction was always, "oh come on Dad, it's not that bad". He would counter with "we need to get rid of every single congressman in Washington and start over from scratch. You wait and see, you'll see I'm right". Well, about 4 years ago I started seriously believing that he was right. Now, every time I listen to the news, click on a link or see a Twitter feed, I have to send up a silent apology prayer to Dad. He was oh, so right!!!

I'd like to take an RPG to Harry Reids face! :dye:

It's a youtube video:
YouTube - Reid Defends Deals to Get to 60 Votes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdP70qHMoJA&feature=player_embedded)

Thanks for the Utube URL, for some reason my computer wont play most video's posted here although it plays utube just fine.

Now for the post on the Compromise.

These Mother Truckers are compromising us out of house and home.

Somewhere along the line this crap has to stop.

in front of the whitehouse...we'll pack in all of the ellipse,...block off Independence ave...and hammer it in with an louder voice than 9/12...

You Can hear us now?...and you are powerless to stop us.
Down with Tyranny, Up with the Constitution!
Obey the law or flee from our wrath!
Overthrow the unconstituional Czars,...the filth of Acorn, the 9th Circus Court
and all the rest of this bloated bureacracy.

I'd love to make a bonfire of all the bloated filing cabinets of rules & regulations & taxes & oppressive agencies all vying for control of our lives.--all beyond what our Founding Fathers felt was a small & reasonable central government. The flaws of this burgeoning republic began with the abuses of the Radical Republicans in 1866...


If the crowd got angry on 9/12...I want to be there for 4/15.

The Revolutionary War was instigated by a handful of patriots. Independence from Britain was by no means a popular cause, not even after we ran off the redcoats.

You know that whole "I'm gonna move to France if Bush wins" crap?

After the Revolution, tens of thousands of Loyalists DID move to Canada (to Upper Ontario, actually - upper meaning, up the river, so it would be "lower" to you and me who think of up as north).

A lot of today's Canadians are descended from disgruntled Americans who wanted the British to win.

At least they had the courage of their convictions to actually follow through. On the other hand, since the Northeast was so heavily populated by revolutionary patriots, they might have been just saving their skins.

I used to think people were nutty when they'd talk about a modern revolution - kooks living in the woods with MREs and a stockpile of weapons. I don't think they're so nutty anymore.

I think it's possible, but things would have to get a lot worse for your average person before it happens. I can easily see them getting very angry at Washington if they're taxed out the wazoo and still don't have jobs and have crappy health care.

We have Senators berating actual citizens as kooky militia types and white supremacists and racists - because they oppose this bill. Unlike ticking off a lot of liberals, making armed citizens enraged is not an intelligent tactic.

We're about to have a government who will jail you and fine you if you don't buy what they are selling. If they were the mob, that would be extortion. And just like the mob, they don't prey on their own - they've cut deals for those on their side.

Newt has a bunch of videos on YouTube I watched recently. One of his ideas is that to get a change in Congress, you have to ditch the whole Bush/Rove (and conversely, the whole Pelosi/Reid) strategy of mobilizing and energizing the base. Bush won well in 2004 not by appealing to more people - they just made damn sure MORE of their own showed up in November. It will win elections, but it won't win people.

His idea was present your ideas in a way everyone can easily understand and identify with. Not sugarcoat it. Not hopey-changey vague. Make it clear and make it known. It won't be enough to take Congress back - you need to win by a couple of touchdowns. It needs to be a slam-dunk. Assemble an agenda that Americans will say "about damned time" about. Find men of character who will hold to it.

I'm not through with the GOP yet. They still have the only infrastructure and capability to counter the Democratic Party. What they need is an intra party Tea Party movement. Something that changes the party.

I just simply can't believe that he was so disrespectful to common decency to brag about purchasing votes that he was so open about it in the press conference to say it was simply how things should be done, and then smirkingly deride the honest senators for not getting their own pork.

When your reference point is corruption you see it as normal and sell it as normal.

One thing that infuriates the left is the way Beck & O'Reilly bring out core facts and ask the viewer to make a common sense judgement.

The problem is, their message is not expanding rapidly...yes viewership is up but there is a huge portion of America that feels comfortable being detached from politics...they are the uninformed "moderate/independents" who think that whatever goes on in DC will not affect them.


I would like to see a new wave of creative yard/roadside signs that instead of just spewing a platitude witha smiling politician actual have real content:

"Debt: 14 trillion...how much is your dollar worth now?"
"lran will have nukes in 6 months, nobody stopped them..."
"Reid bribes people for votes...can you bribe with other people's money?"
"1600.00 more per family to pay for cap & trade: Please hand over another paycheck now."
"Income tax, Sales Tax, Gas Tax, Property Tax, Social Security Tax, Rental tax,..."...you will never get away from the current regime's hold on your life."
"Fake stimulus= No new jobs, just debt."
"Trust the Mainstream Media?...Millions Don't"
"How many senators will sign up for the new Health Care program they passed?...NONE."
"Lobbyists could care less about you,...yet they run Congress."
"Social security runs out in a decade,...do you trust these losers to fix it?"
"Pass health care,..cut Medicare...gee, there is a plan for ya!"
"Incumbents...how's your resume' looking now?...start typing."

One thing that infuriates the left is the way Beck & O'Reilly bring out core facts and ask the viewer to make a common sense judgement.

The problem is, their message is not expanding rapidly...yes viewership is up but there is a huge portion of America that feels comfortable being detached from politics...they are the uninformed "moderate/independents" who think that whatever goes on in DC will not affect them.
This is nothing more than the elitism that the liberals are accused of. This is placing the blame everywhere except where it belongs, solely to find an excuse for the failures of your own party (and why i list myself Conservative and not Republican).

You want to know why the message isnt resonating? Partisan apathy.

The Republicans took control in 94, with the promise of Change. The message resonated with the American people, tired of Democratic abuse and unconstitutionality (a huge case could be made about the effect the Second Amendment played in 94) and allowed the Republicans to take control.

What did they do with it? Reverted to the same MO as the Democrats they replaced and the blame was place on a hostile White House

Bush comes into office with a congress controlled by his own party and still nothing gets accomplished.

To the people, there was no difference between Republicans and Democrats. To most conservatives there wasnt either.

2008 the Republican party fronts a candidate that was derided for being a Democrat in Republican clothing. Republicans, including some you listed above, accross the country sold out their supposed Conservatism to vote party line, instead of ideal.
I would like to see a new wave of creative yard/roadside signs that instead of just spewing a platitude witha smiling politician actual have real content:
I would like to see Republicans acknowledge their Parties own collusion and failures in the below, before trying to place blame on the current batch of representitives.

This is evidenced today on this very board, up until a few months ago we have been operating under President Bush's budget. While i agree Obama's 2010 budget is ambitious, fraught with waste, and adds to the already extended and sizable national debt, the same can not be said for those that ignore the deficit increases from 2001 until 2009* were all thanks to Bush

*Obama added 400Billion to Bush's 1.7 Trillion in 2009, so 20% of the blame for 2009's increase is Obama's.

Lets reword the below so the appropriate blame is placed, acknowledge the Republicans part in it and you'll go along way with getting the American People to show Republicans really are different than Democrats. (yours are colored Blue for performing the same blame shift as the Liberals)

Yours - "Debt: 14 trillion...how much is your dollar worth now?"
Mine - "Debt: we know from 1994 until 2009 the Republican controlled government doubled the national deficit from 4.5 trillion (1994) to 7+ trillion in 2006, but we are Fiscal Conservatives before Republicans and will not repeat the mistakes made by past Republicans"
Yours - "lran will have nukes in 6 months, nobody stopped them..."
Mine - "nobody stopped them including a President who claimed he was going to go after all state sponsored terrorism. Conservatives will uphold the constitution and work within to protect America from enemies both foreign and domestic"
Yours - "Reid bribes people for votes...can you bribe with other people's money?"
Mine - "Republicans in the past have not ben Fiscally conservative. Conservatives will honor the hard work of Americans by enacting policy that will not reward any pet projects even those that are favored by Republicans"
Yours - "1600.00 more per family to pay for cap & trade: Please hand over another paycheck now."
Mine - "yes the last Republican Presidential nominee is the one that wrote and supported the current Cap and Trade policy being implemented. Voting in True Conservative candidates will ensure the Government will not hinder either Businesses and the research into sustainable alternative energy"
Yours - "Income tax, Sales Tax, Gas Tax, Property Tax, Social Security Tax, Rental tax,..."...you will never get away from the current regime's hold on your life."
Mine - "That have been in place since 1994, and was changed very minimally by a Republican Congress, and Republican President"
Yours - "Fake stimulus= No new jobs, just debt."
Mine - "That started under the past Republican President with the support of the Republican Presidential Nominee with TARP. Electing true Conservatives as representitives will remove Government interference from allowing the economy resolve its own issues"
Yours - "Trust the Mainstream Media?...Millions Don't"
Mine - Actually Millions do, but that isnt the issue, you should never expect to get the full story from a singular partisan source. Get information from all sources and form your own opinion
Yours - "How many senators will sign up for the new Health Care program they passed?...NONE."
Mine - "How many senators, Democratic or Republican will sign up for the Health Car program they passed?.... NONE."
This is not a party issue this is an ideological one.
Yours - "Lobbyists could care less about you,...yet they run Congress."
Yours - "Social security runs out in a decade,...do you trust these losers to fix it?"
Mine - "The fact that Social Security runs out in a decade has been known for years. Republicans had a chance from 1994 until 2006 to fix it, but did not. It was easier to pander to the base and blame the other party. Electing Conservatives in will open retirement funding to private sources, and by infusing additional capitol into the Economy will aid, along with allowing the market to self corrrect, in minimizing a recession.
Yours - "Pass health care,..cut Medicare...gee, there is a plan for ya!"
Yours - "Incumbents...how's your resume' looking now?...start typing."
Mine - "Incumbents, from both parties, including those that were voted to enact change since 1994, how is your resume looking now?

Until you admit your own parties failures you will never distance in the publics eye from the other party. Why should the Public trust Republicans who have shown themselves to be exactly the same as Democrats?

2010

Get out the brooms -- we need to CLEAN HOUSE!!!!



Cartridge Box .....

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

as our presnt imposter has so elequently read,

"Just words?"...
the paradox is rich, because in this increasingly pagan society, they scream they have rights but deny the existence of HIM who created those rights.
AND, our current abusive regime fulfilled its pledge of "Change"...which has been translated into loss of rights & freedoms, while denying the will of the majority.

Our founders demanded LESS meddling, Less intrusion, LESS government.

and we get this idiot.

"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value."
Thomas Paine.

This is nothing more than the elitism that the liberals are accused of. This is placing the blame everywhere except where it belongs, solely to find an excuse for the failures of your own party (and why i list myself Conservative and not Republican).

You want to know why the message isnt resonating? Partisan apathy.

The Republicans took control in 94, with the promise of Change. The message resonated with the American people, tired of Democratic abuse and unconstitutionality (a huge case could be made about the effect the Second Amendment played in 94) and allowed the Republicans to take control.

What did they do with it? Reverted to the same MO as the Democrats they replaced and the blame was place on a hostile White House

Bush comes into office with a congress controlled by his own party and still nothing gets accomplished.

To the people, there was no difference between Republicans and Democrats. To most conservatives there wasnt either.

2008 the Republican party fronts a candidate that was derided for being a Democrat in Republican clothing. Republicans, including some you listed above, accross the country sold out their supposed Conservatism to vote party line, instead of ideal.

I would like to see Republicans acknowledge their Parties own collusion and failures in the below, before trying to place blame on the current batch of representitives.

This is evidenced today on this very board, up until a few months ago we have been operating under President Bush's budget. While i agree Obama's 2010 budget is ambitious, fraught with waste, and adds to the already extended and sizable national debt, the same can not be said for those that ignore the deficit increases from 2001 until 2009* were all thanks to Bush

*Obama added 400Billion to Bush's 1.7 Trillion in 2009, so 20% of the blame for 2009's increase is Obama's.

Lets reword the below so the appropriate blame is placed, acknowledge the Republicans part in it and you'll go along way with getting the American People to show Republicans really are different than Democrats. (yours are colored Blue for performing the same blame shift as the Liberals)


Until you admit your own parties failures you will never distance in the publics eye from the other party. Why should the Public trust Republicans who have shown themselves to be exactly the same as Democrats?

- Republicans are sick and tired of what government has done and is still doing!
- Liberial Democrats defend the continued distruction of our socialty, intrustions of our freedoms, and the bankrupting of a nation on a far larger scale by simply saying, well the Republicans did it! Right? WRONG!!!