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EmptyTimCup
03-01-2010, 08:02 PM
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Op-Ed Contributor

We Can’t Wish Away Climate Change

by AL GORE
Published: February 27, 2010

It would be an enormous relief if the recent attacks on the science of global warming actually indicated that we do not face an unimaginable calamity requiring large-scale, preventive measures to protect human civilization as we know it.

Of course, we would still need to deal with the national security risks of our growing dependence on a global oil market dominated by dwindling reserves in the most unstable region of the world, and the economic risks of sending hundreds of billions of dollars a year overseas in return for that oil. And we would still trail China in the race to develop smart grids, fast trains, solar power, wind, geothermal and other renewable sources of energy — the most important sources of new jobs in the 21st century. :jameo:

But what a burden would be lifted! We would no longer have to worry that our grandchildren would one day look back on us as a criminal generation that had selfishly and blithely ignored clear warnings that their fate was in our hands. We could instead celebrate the naysayers who had doggedly persisted in proving that every major National Academy of Sciences report on climate change had simply made a huge mistake.

I, for one, genuinely wish that the climate crisis were an illusion. But unfortunately, the reality of the danger we are courting has not been changed by the discovery of at least two mistakes in the thousands of pages of careful scientific work over the last 22 years by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. In fact, the crisis is still growing because we are continuing to dump 90 million tons of global-warming pollution every 24 hours into the atmosphere — as if it were an open sewer.

It is true that the climate panel published a flawed overestimate of the melting rate of debris-covered glaciers (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/science/earth/19climate.html) in the Himalayas, and used information about the Netherlands provided to it by the government, which was later found to be partly inaccurate (http://www.pbl.nl/en/dossiers/Climatechange/content/correction-wording-flood-risks.html). In addition, e-mail messages stolen from the University of East Anglia in Britain showed that scientists besieged by an onslaught of hostile, make-work demands from climate skeptics may not have adequately followed (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/27/uea-hacked-climate-emails-foi) the requirements of the British freedom of information law.

But the scientific enterprise will never be completely free of mistakes. (Oh ya had me there Al .... but then you fall back on your some old tired excuses ...) What is important is that the overwhelming consensus on global warming remains unchanged.

It is also worth noting that the panel’s scientists — acting in good faith on the best information then available to them — probably underestimated the range of sea-level rise in this century, the speed with which the Arctic ice cap is disappearing and the speed with which some of the large glacial flows in Antarctica and Greenland are melting and racing to the sea.


there was no good faith .... they got caught

sampled 125 Trees in Siberia ... only used 12 or 0.96% of the collected data to show a "Warming Trend" through Core Samples from the trees ...

I guess those other 113 trees would have made the data "Inconvenient" to the Global Warming Scare ....


here he convoently wraps it all up:

Global Warming = More Snow Fall


The heavy snowfalls this month have been used as fodder for ridicule by those who argue that global warming is a myth, yet scientists have long pointed out that warmer global temperatures have been increasing the rate of evaporation from the oceans, putting significantly more moisture into the atmosphere — thus causing heavier downfalls of both rain and snow in particular regions, including the Northeastern United States. Just as it’s important not to miss the forest for the trees, neither should we miss the climate for the snowstorm. :killingme



..... it is not just Amerika, but Globalism .....

The reasons for this are primarily economic. The globalization of the economy, coupled with the outsourcing of jobs from industrial countries, has simultaneously heightened fears of further job losses in the industrial world and encouraged rising expectations in emerging economies. The result? Heightened opposition, in both the industrial and developing worlds, to any constraints on the use of carbon-based fuels, which remain our principal source of energy. (Duh they everyone wants to be prosperous not stuck in a Shanty Town)

The decisive victory of democratic capitalism over communism in the 1990s :whistle: led to a period of philosophical dominance for market economics worldwide and the illusion of a unipolar world. It also led, in the United States, to a hubristic “bubble” of market fundamentalism that encouraged opponents of regulatory constraints to mount an aggressive effort to shift the internal boundary between the democracy sphere and the market sphere. Over time, markets would most efficiently solve most problems, they argued. Laws and regulations interfering with the operations of the market carried a faint odor of the discredited statist adversary we had just defeated.

This period of market triumphalism coincided with confirmation by scientists that earlier fears about global warming had been grossly understated. But by then, the political context in which this debate took form was tilted heavily toward the views of market fundamentalists, who fought to weaken existing constraints and scoffed at the possibility that global constraints would be needed to halt the dangerous dumping of global-warming pollution into the atmosphere.


:cds:


Ooo Noooossss the Rise of TV led to the Failure of Newspapers ..... and a power shift ....


Simultaneously, changes in America’s political system — including the replacement of newspapers and magazines by television as the dominant medium of communication — conferred powerful advantages on wealthy advocates of unrestrained markets and weakened advocates of legal and regulatory reforms. (since when has the ability of Congress to get the message out, been hindered by the LSTVM) Some news media organizations now present showmen masquerading as political thinkers who package hatred and divisiveness as entertainment. And as in times past, that has proved to be a potent drug in the veins of the body politic. Their most consistent theme is to label as “socialist” any proposal to reform exploitive behavior in the marketplace.


Market Doctrine to control these "Showmen" .....


can the Class Guess who Goracle might be talking about .....

Starlifter756
03-01-2010, 10:39 PM
:jerry:


But what a burden would be lifted! We would no longer have to worry that our grandchildren would one day look back on us as a criminal generation that had selfishly and blithely ignored clear warnings that their fate was in our hands. We could instead celebrate the naysayers who had doggedly persisted in proving that every major National Academy of Sciences report on climate change had simply made a huge mistake.

If he would change the words "National Academy of Sciences report on climate change" to "creditable economist says Obama" then he wouldn't be such an idiot. Why can't he just go away. He produces unnecessary CO2 every time he talks - no one listens; and produces more hydro-carbons when he is driving with his crew of guards or flying in his private jet. Just go away, please!!!!

hvp05
03-01-2010, 11:12 PM
... large-scale, preventive measures to protect human civilization as we know it.Er, isn't "human civilization as we know it" the problem? I thought we were supposed to be changing it, not protecting it. :confused:


Unless, of course, he wants to keep his pockets well-padded and his new religion riding high. He makes this too easy. :lol:

Sweet 16
03-01-2010, 11:15 PM
LOL I read this on Drudge yesterday. All I can think of when I read it is this....

Merlin99
03-02-2010, 06:53 AM
:jerry:






there was no good faith .... they got caught

sampled 125 Trees in Siberia ... only used 12 or 0.96% of the collected data to show a "Warming Trend" through Core Samples from the trees ...

I guess those other 113 trees would have made the data "Inconvenient" to the Global Warming Scare ....


here he convoently wraps it all up:

Global Warming = More Snow Fall




..... it is not just Amerika, but Globalism .....




:cds:


Ooo Noooossss the Rise of TV led to the Failure of Newspapers ..... and a power shift ....





Market Doctrine to control these "Showmen" .....


can the Class Guess who Goracle might be talking about .....
My math says closer to 10% than 1%

Vince
03-02-2010, 06:58 AM
Of course, we would still need to deal with the national security risks of our growing dependence on a global oil market dominated by dwindling reserves in the most unstable region of the world, and the economic risks of sending hundreds of billions of dollars a year overseas in return for that oil. And we would still trail China in the race to develop smart grids, fast trains, solar power, wind, geothermal and other renewable sources of energy — the most important sources of new jobs in the 21st century. But don't we have all this oil off shore that they won't drill for? :lol: And they'll sit there and complain about the world oil market. :doh:

ImnoMensa
03-02-2010, 08:08 AM
But don't we have all this oil off shore that they won't drill for? :lol: And they'll sit there and complain about the world oil market. :doh:

We have huge coal reserves and they are trying to close coal fired plants. We have vast oil deposits just sitting ther. We have natural gas, but the cost is so high we can't afford to burn it.
All they can do is scream for windmills.

SamSpade
03-02-2010, 08:30 AM
It's not hard to believe that a warming trend MIGHT lead to more snowfall.

My problem is that it doesn't gibe with what they said years ago - that snowfalls would largely *disappear*, due to the increased heat and LOSS of moisture from the air.

You know, I don't have a problem with the premise that sooner or later, we will have to wean ourselves from fossil fuels. Sooner or later. Because it's finite. It doesn't matter if we use most of it up in ten years or 200. Eventually, it will run out. And I have to believe it's not in anyone's best interest to just keep pumping the air full of gases from burning them. It's like dumping sewage in the river - not so bad when it's a dozen people, but it gets to be pretty bad when it's millions.

On the other hand, I don't see global warming as the vehicle to convey this message for one overwhelming point - Gore and others have been beating this drum for over twenty years, and their predictions back then were wrong. Very wrong. How much ought we to believe their science when it clearly cannot do what science is SUPPOSED to do - explain matters well enough to predict future outcomes?

When they predict more hurricanes and we get fewer, when they predict snowless winters and we get record-breaking ones, it MAY still be due to global warming, but it does tell me they really don't know WHAT is going to happen. Their "science" isn't very scientific.

EmptyTimCup
03-02-2010, 04:41 PM
My math says closer to 10% than 1%

I divided 12 by 125

:shrug:

EmptyTimCup
03-02-2010, 04:46 PM
You know, I don't have a problem with the premise that sooner or later, we will have to wean ourselves from fossil fuels. Sooner or later. Because it's finite. It doesn't matter if we use most of it up in ten years or 200. Eventually, it will run out.



Great Gas up that SUV ... lets burn it up as fast as possible .... nothing drives innovation like a lack of resources ....


but then no one has started processing that Oil Shale yet .... and I read recently the Russians discovered a self renewing "OIL" 40,000 feet down in Siberia .....


:evil:

ylexot
03-02-2010, 04:49 PM
I divided 12 by 125

:shrug:

You're supposed to divide 125 by 12...12 is ~10% of 125.

EmptyTimCup
03-02-2010, 05:34 PM
You're supposed to divide 125 by 12...12 is ~10% of 125.


:facepalm:


Thanks


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