That ran me off of the road this morning. THANKS for stopping to see if I was OK... but THANKS the most for "working during your commute" and not actually DRIVING your car. Friggin MORON.

Not only did he come around the wrong side of the road because he was doing something else, he corrected (a little too late), and went right back to whatever it was he was doing in the passenger seat. Checking e-mail on your laptop maybe? Editing a Statement of Work?? TEXTING??

Yeah, seeing you come around the corner on MY side of the road really, REALLY made my day.

You should be thankful I wasn't driving the LR today, if I was I don't think I would have tried so hard to miss you.

That ran me off of the road this morning. THANKS for stopping to see if I was OK... but THANKS the most for "working during your commute" and not actually DRIVING your car. Friggin MORON.

Not only did he come around the wrong side of the road because he was doing something else, he corrected (a little too late), and went right back to whatever it was he was doing in the passenger seat. Checking e-mail on your laptop maybe? Editing a Statement of Work?? TEXTING??

Yeah, seeing you come around the corner on MY side of the road really, REALLY made my day.

You should be thankful I wasn't driving the LR today, if I was I don't think I would have tried so hard to miss you.

Only crazy people ride on the street. In areas with known human activity.

:jameo:

That ran me off of the road this morning. THANKS for stopping to see if I was OK... but THANKS the most for "working during your commute" and not actually DRIVING your car. Friggin MORON.

Not only did he come around the wrong side of the road because he was doing something else, he corrected (a little too late), and went right back to whatever it was he was doing in the passenger seat. Checking e-mail on your laptop maybe? Editing a Statement of Work?? TEXTING??

Yeah, seeing you come around the corner on MY side of the road really, REALLY made my day.

You should be thankful I wasn't driving the LR today, if I was I don't think I would have tried so hard to miss you.

People tend to drive a little casual on Webster so I have noticed. Glad it was just a close call.

Thank goodness you are an expert rider and were able to maneuver successfully away from this jackass.

I don't know what I'd do if something bad happened to you. :love: :smoochy:

That ran me off of the road this morning. THANKS for stopping to see if I was OK... but THANKS the most for "working during your commute" and not actually DRIVING your car. Friggin MORON.

Not only did he come around the wrong side of the road because he was doing something else, he corrected (a little too late), and went right back to whatever it was he was doing in the passenger seat. Checking e-mail on your laptop maybe? Editing a Statement of Work?? TEXTING??

Yeah, seeing you come around the corner on MY side of the road really, REALLY made my day.

You should be thankful I wasn't driving the LR today, if I was I don't think I would have tried so hard to miss you.
How much "off the road" was it? You didn't depart, did you?

Only crazy people ride on the street. In areas with known human activity.

:jameo:

:doh:

How much "off the road" was it? You didn't depart, did you?



:doh:

I saw him coming across, and get over 1/2 way across the center line and at that point I had comitted to getting the hell out of his way. Before he even realized he was on the wrong side of the road (he NEVER acknowledged my existence, never even looked at me) I was already headed to the grass. I was doing about 35 - 40 at that point.

When he recovered I MIGHT have been able to lean over hard and stay on the road but I was too close to the edge, just decided to ride it out in the grass. Left the pavement, rolled in and out of the ditch at speed, about 100 feet or so LIGHT on the brakes and rolled to a stop in the farmers field.

One person that saw me sitting out there rolled his window down and asked if everything was ok. The person that ran me off the road? Never saw him again.

To the Mormon on Webster Field

Talking to yourself?

So what was he driving?

Talking to yourself?

So what was he driving?

Dark colored.. Blue, black or brown Neon.

I'll check the parking lot where I'm at tomorrow, but the car didn't look familiar.

Dark colored.. Blue, black or brown Neon.

I'll check the parking lot where I'm at tomorrow, but the car didn't look familiar.

Sounds as though The Man Upstairs was looking out for you Bob!

Amen Brotha! Glad you made it out in the field Ok without any damage! :howdy:

I saw him coming across, and get over 1/2 way across the center line and at that point I had comitted to getting the hell out of his way. Before he even realized he was on the wrong side of the road (he NEVER acknowledged my existence, never even looked at me) I was already headed to the grass. I was doing about 35 - 40 at that point.

When he recovered I MIGHT have been able to lean over hard and stay on the road but I was too close to the edge, just decided to ride it out in the grass. Left the pavement, rolled in and out of the ditch at speed, about 100 feet or so LIGHT on the brakes and rolled to a stop in the farmers field.

One person that saw me sitting out there rolled his window down and asked if everything was ok. The person that ran me off the road? Never saw him again.

OK, two parter here; one, did it ever cross your mind to maybe go around him where he was supposed to be? And is that just a crazy idea to even consider?

My thought is if you've got NO bail on your side of the ride, solid trees, deep ditch, guardrail, etc, a place you just don't wanna go, and you can just 'feel' he doesn't see you, can you, with all your experience, make a reasonable case for an extreme case to go around him the other way?

I mean, he wakes up and suddenly corrects, your dead and it's now your fault but, I am asking if it should ever even be in the back of my mind as an option?

Any path that saves your butt is always an option. However, the chances of that particular path being both clear of oncoming behind the idiot, and you having the time and the sight line to knows it clear to break left are very slim. Would suck to miss the Neon and eat the dually behind it.

Just keep fighting, thats the key.

Any path that saves your butt is always an option. However, the chances of that particular path being both clear of oncoming behind the idiot, and you having the time and the sight line to knows it clear to break left are very slim. Would suck to miss the Neon and eat the dually behind it.

Just keep fighting, thats the key.

Yeah, that. :jameo:

I am assuming an awful lot, that you perceive he doesn't see, isn't going to AND that you instantly perceive that it's clear on the other side of him AND your radar tells you your side is simply not an option.

I'm trying to get into the mindset of you long time riders. Right now, my primary weapon is looking for open space and right hand, getting to that space, right now.

Dark colored.. Blue, black or brown Neon.

I drive a blue Neon :)
But I also know where you work on base and im on the other side so I know it wasnt me :buddies:

Was it near the turn next to your building where this happend? I have trucks come around that turn going 40-45 in MY lane because they are going too fast to take the turn in their lane.

Good to hear you were ok though.

hunt him down and kill him.

Yep, what Aps refers to as positive speed displacement, or, in general terms, to misquote Cannonball Run "Whatsa behind me, cannot kill me!!!"

In specific terms, at any given red light, even half throttle on my Wimpstrom gets me out in front of the pack about 3-5 car lengths. Dont even need to speed. Its about the 0-50, or whatever the limit is. Once I get to that speed, I settle in, any stupid cager tricks are happening back there somewhere. I dont need to be going Mach 1, just be ahead of the pack. Like cattle, any cowboy knows you stay way in front, or way behind.

I drive a blue Neon :)
But I also know where you work on base and im on the other side so I know it wasnt me :buddies:

Was it near the turn next to your building where this happend? I have trucks come around that turn going 40-45 in MY lane because they are going too fast to take the turn in their lane.

Good to hear you were ok though.

When bob said blue, I thought about asking you, all you Neon drivers know each other, right? :howdy:

Yep, what Aps refers to as positive speed differential

:fixed:

OK, two parter here; one, did it ever cross your mind to maybe go around him where he was supposed to be? And is that just a crazy idea to even consider?

My thought is if you've got NO bail on your side of the ride, solid trees, deep ditch, guardrail, etc, a place you just don't wanna go, and you can just 'feel' he doesn't see you, can you, with all your experience, make a reasonable case for an extreme case to go around him the other way?

I mean, he wakes up and suddenly corrects, your dead and it's now your fault but, I am asking if it should ever even be in the back of my mind as an option?

Like was said, any exit path that avoids the accident is a good one. However, in a case like this, the first reaction of the other driver will be to pull back to the right and back into his lane. That would be the most likely probability and therefore the least desired option. Bob's was the right one, look forward, pick a path, keep control in a straight line out of harms' way.

I've thought about that option (pulling around to the driver's outside) on occasion, but have never seen a situation where it would have worked.

Like was said, any exit path that avoids the accident is a good one. However, in a case like this, the first reaction of the other driver will be to pull back to the right and back into his lane. That would be the most likely probability and therefore the least desired option. Bob's was the right one, look forward, pick a path, keep control in a straight line out of harms' way.

I've thought about that option (pulling around to the driver's inside) on occasion, but have never seen a situation where it would have worked.

:buddies:

That makes sense to me. I wanted to hear it from you people who've dealt with this, (successfully) and what the mind set of a survivor is.

It's certainly something everyone should consider - which way to go? Stay in your lane or on your side of the road is my best guess?

A car full of people on Horsehead Road crossed the center line and was headed straight for me and all I had was a small shoulder lined with brush and trees that led to a ditch as an option.

I pulled as far over to the right as I could without hitting a tree (hoping they would correct and miss me). Good thing I did NOT go into their lane as the driver corrected, albeit a bit late, and side-swiped me and kept on going. That driver was likely drugged/drunk.

I didn't even bother to call the police as they were headed for the 5 way stop - NO telling which way they were going to be going. Happened so fast I didn't even know what kind of car it was.

I am really fed up with people getting away with crap like that. Glad you are ok Bob. We need you here to :elaine: for us on a regular basis :smoochy: .

OK, two parter here; one, did it ever cross your mind to maybe go around him where he was supposed to be? And is that just a crazy idea to even consider?

My thought is if you've got NO bail on your side of the ride, solid trees, deep ditch, guardrail, etc, a place you just don't wanna go, and you can just 'feel' he doesn't see you, can you, with all your experience, make a reasonable case for an extreme case to go around him the other way?

I mean, he wakes up and suddenly corrects, your dead and it's now your fault but, I am asking if it should ever even be in the back of my mind as an option?

OK, two parter here; one, did it ever cross your mind to maybe go around him where he was supposed to be? And is that just a crazy idea to even consider?

My thought is if you've got NO bail on your side of the ride, solid trees, deep ditch, guardrail, etc, a place you just don't wanna go, and you can just 'feel' he doesn't see you, can you, with all your experience, make a reasonable case for an extreme case to go around him the other way?

I mean, he wakes up and suddenly corrects, your dead and it's now your fault but, I am asking if it should ever even be in the back of my mind as an option?

Going left never crossed my mind.

If I were to go left I wouldn't be aiming for his side of the road, but somewhere off the road so if does correct he's still not going to get me. It may have been an option (never even contemplated it at the time) in this case, but going off the road to the right was the most safe, and being that I was leaned over on a left hand sweeper the easiest to thing to do, just had to straighten up and let the bike take me.

Being a dirt rider you should be more successful than most at finding escape routes. Some new and even seasoned riders won't leave the asphalt, it's just ingrained in them that they HAVE to stay on the road. Say it with me.. "Stay between the lines!!"

You see it on the news almost everyday where two cars have collided head on, and you look at the photos and there's nothing but farmer's fields on both sides of the road. They just can't come to grips that off the road my be safer than on the road.

When bob said blue, I thought about asking you, all you Neon drivers know each other, right? :howdy:

You should know, you used to have one ;)
He said "Dark colored.. Blue, black or brown Neon"
Well seeing that they never made a brown one id say the lighter blue or a black one considering they are fairly common.

Bob was he coming or going in relation to the front gate and your building?

You should know, you used to have one ;)
He said "Dark colored.. Blue, black or brown Neon"
Well seeing that they never made a brown one id say the lighter blue or a black one considering they are fairly common.

Bob was he coming or going in relation to the front gate and your building?

I was leaving my builging and about 1/3 of the way around that really long left hand sweeper by the tower heading towards the front gate. I left the road heading for the runway.

Luckily for me I wasn't in a hurry, because I really do like to get my lean on around that turn. I did have a good lean on, and was paying attention to the center line to make sure my head was still on my side of the road when I saw the front of his car on my side of the road.

You should know, you used to have one ;)
He said "Dark colored.. Blue, black or brown Neon"
Well seeing that they never made a brown one id say the lighter blue or a black one considering they are fairly common.

Bob was he coming or going in relation to the front gate and your building?


Of course, I know you:buddies: Of course, you are the only non turbo Neon owner I know.

Going left never crossed my mind.

If I were to go left I wouldn't be aiming for his side of the road, but somewhere off the road so if does correct he's still not going to get me. It may have been an option (never even contemplated it at the time) in this case, but going off the road to the right was the most safe, and being that I was leaned over on a left hand sweeper the easiest to thing to do, just had to straighten up and let the bike take me.

Being a dirt rider you should be more successful than most at finding escape routes. Some new and even seasoned riders won't leave the asphalt, it's just ingrained in them that they HAVE to stay on the road. Say it with me.. "Stay between the lines!!"

You see it on the news almost everyday where two cars have collided head on, and you look at the photos and there's nothing but farmer's fields on both sides of the road. They just can't come to grips that off the road my be safer than on the road.

:lol:

That's what made me think of crossing in front of him!

I watched a kid I know racing open A one day, left turn, up then down hill, traffic ran him off the track and into a couple of trees about 10 feet off the track, 3 or 4 big ones. He didn't go down, he didn't bail. He left it pinned and went right between two of them, no hesitation. Right back on the track.

Early on, a few times I've bailed on my path to enlightenment. All that did was hurt and bend the bike. Since then, I've just stuck it out and hung on and recovered. If you get off, you're off. If you stay on the bike, you got a chance. The thing that worries me is just how 500-700 pounds rebounds going over hill and dale. :lol:

If I hit something, it's probably gonna be front end up and on the gas. I hit a slick spot yesterday AM and the rear got squirrelly. I stayed on the gas and straightened right up. That and no target fixation.

So, you instantly saw a good out and took it? Good stuff.

I was leaving my builging and about 1/3 of the way around that really long left hand sweeper by the tower heading towards the front gate. I left the road heading for the runway.

Yup thats the turn that no one can seem to stay in their own lane on. Ive had to put the passenger side tires in the grass before because a truck was halfway in my lane, and when I say truck I mean S-10. Its not even a big truck! :killingme

glhs837, I dont even know anyone with a Neon anymore. They either sold them or wrecked them.

So Bob, I guess you got a little closer to heaven than you would have prefered to be.:killingme

Yup thats the turn that no one can seem to stay in their own lane on.

I haven't been on Webster field in a couple years, but I know exactly where you're talking about. A curved road is apparently much too complicated for some folks. You always have to look far ahead of you in order to get ready for those people. I got lucky, in that my horn always woke them up before they ran me off the road.

So Bob, I guess you got a little closer to heaven than you would have prefered to be.:killingme

This is my heaven.

If it's not yours, you should do something about making your life better.

This is my heaven.

If it's not yours, you should do something about making your life better.

My heaven will come after my life on this planet is over. If this life is all you have to look forward to, sorry about your luck.

My heaven will come after my life on this planet is over. If this life is all you have to look forward to, sorry about your luck.

If your afterlife involves the highs and lows of human relationships, guitars, good beer, the day to day challenges of life, the good and the bad, and the pure joy of riding a motorcycle, I'm jealous. I only get that until I am dead.

:buddies:

If your afterlife involves the highs and lows of human relationships, guitars, good beer, the day to day challenges of life, the good and the bad, and the pure joy of riding a motorcycle, I'm jealous. I only get that until I am dead.

:buddies:

And then you have nothing. Sorry about your luck.

And then you have nothing. Sorry about your luck.

I appreciate your concern.

People are getting sloppier about driving everyday.
Personally I think drivers should have to qualify for a motorcycle license as well as auto, certainly would make better drivers - and get rid of those who can't or won't drive properly.:killingme
Learned the best way to get out of a tight spot is stay up and pick the fastest way out of trouble. Picked that up riding overseas. It seemed if I thought too long - it was the wrong decision. So I let my instincts and training take over any time I got in a jam.
:buddies:

People are getting sloppier about driving everyday.
Personally I think drivers should have to qualify for a motorcycle license BEFORE auto,

Yes!!!!!!!


:buddies:

Smilin' and Larry, are you saying that a person who does not drive a motorcycle should be required to qualify for a motorcycle license? :confused:

Smilin' and Larry, are you saying that a person who does not drive a motorcycle should be required to qualify for a motorcycle license? :confused:

Yes. Everyone but you. And Vrail. :notworthy:

Yes!!!!!!!


:buddies:

:lmao: "And he has seen the light..." Wonder what your response would have been, posed that same concept last summer?

:lmao: "And he has seen the light..." Wonder what your response would have been, posed that same concept last summer?

No, you don't. You know what it would have been! :lol:


"The only skill bikers need to learn his how to get killed with as little mess as possible..."

:evil:

:buddies:

Smilin' and Larry, are you saying that a person who does not drive a motorcycle should be required to qualify for a motorcycle license? :confused:

Maybe not qualify, but certainly have it included in the classroom training and written tests.

That ran me off of the road this morning. THANKS for stopping to see if I was OK...



Sorry about that, but you looked really pissed, and I figured that if I stopped, you would've yelled.

I don't need that kind of stress.