...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?

couldn't tell ya I have been married for 24 years.

couldn't tell ya I have been married for 24 years.

But you dated prior to that, correct? Or no? And you have friends who date and talk about it?

Well, men don't want to be friends with an ex-romantic partner.
Unless they are a fall back option.

Why do women already have another dude lined up before they breakup?

What brings this on? :confused:

Why do women already have another dude lined up before they breakup?

It's not that they have another dude lined up - it's that they broke up with him because the new dude caught their attention.

Yes I dated and broke it off appropriately. By telling the gal it wasn't working out but when she carved my name into her arm I had to RUN RUN RUN.

I have heard mixed from others, most of them broke free respectfully. One fella I met was a complete axe about it, acted like a jerk to make sure they left him. Problem with that was he got a bad reputation that caused him many lost dates.

I found my first wife in bed with another guy when I came home from work early....

Sure, guys can be real "jerks" but there are some women out there that can be worse.

So, which is worse...having someone be an azz to you...or being betrayed in your own home???

What brings this on? :confused:

My lunch conversation. He spilled the man secret. :lol:

My lunch conversation. He spilled the man secret. :lol:

:roflmao: He needs his man card pulled :roflmao:

:roflmao: He needs his man card pulled :roflmao:

I have to agree.

My lunch conversation. He spilled the man secret. :lol:

Okay... :lol:

I found my first wife in bed with another guy when I came home from work early....

Sure, guys can be real "jerks" but there are some women out there that can be worse.

So, which is worse...having someone be an azz to you...or being betrayed in your own home???

Oh, believe me, I know women can be jerks. My sample polling brought out some interesting stories. I'm merely commenting on the way men don't want to do the breaking up, but will jerk the women into doing it instead.

And upon further reflection, I actually have a sampling of six case studies. :jet:

Well, men don't want to be friends with an ex-romantic partner.
Unless they are a fall back option.

Why do women already have another dude lined up before they breakup?



THAT is a very interesting question! Is there an inherent plan as a backup, (subconciously, of course)in case the new relationship does not work out the way it was expected to?

...

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:


How many women have you dated? :lol:

THAT is a very interesting question! Is there an inherent plan as a backup, (subconciously, of course)in case the new relationship does not work out the way it was expected to?

No. If Bob and Sue are dating, and Sue meets George and goes crazy over him, it will look to Bob like she lined another guy up so she wouldn't be solo. In reality, Sue left Bob for George because she liked him better.

Good to know that I am not an ordinary woman. :yay:

Nobody is ever as interested in human behavior as I am. :ohwell:

I `m a guy & I don`t over analyze, but check it all out first. Kinda like tastin & testin of the waters first. Best to know if her flavor suits me first & vice versa b4 takin it 2 that next step or level. Yep

I`m game for a good attempt, but I`ve learned a few lessons and hope to have learned well from them. Not leery about the next, just a bunch smarter. No1 is perfect.

...

Actually Vrai, you`ve seen me post enough to see that I do try to see things from all directions. There are natural behavoirs, and there are learned behavoirs in evry1. As i`ve also said some ppl are molded, some are just indoctrinated, some are leaders, and sadly enough others are content to follow.

Amazingly I can express myself quite coherently as you also know.

Were you indoctrinated?

Not sure, I`m sure most of y`all would call it as commonly refered to as Brainwashed? Yet I do possess very nice traits, unmistakenly rare. Indoctrinated by the best, even $$$$ can`t buy.

I`ll leave that to you, and y`alls imagination. My imagination is quite vivid, and I have an excellent memory btw.

...

Nobody is ever as interested in human behavior as I am. :ohwell:

I am interested, but you're telling me something I already know in some men. :shrug: I don't know from personal experience, just from what a lot of guy friends have told me in the past. Also the way they've behaved. I never could understand why they couldn't just break up with a girl. It just seems like it would be easier and a lot less effort.

I am interested, but you're telling me something I already know in some men. :shrug: I don't know from personal experience, just from what a lot of guy friends have told me in the past. Also the way they've behaved. I never could understand why they couldn't just break up with a girl. It just seems like it would be easier and a lot less effort.

Because sobbing and suicide threats are a downer?

& i think i even said Hey to U in the past, right? in another thread?
of course I seldom leave my posts in that long enough to go back 2, so thanx Rose 4 quoting them.

You're welcome.

Whatever happened to ya, I know it`s easily said, but don`t judge evry guy as an ahole. I do hope things work for ya, no matter what. I am a very good listener, contrary to what many in here may think, or opine.
I have been known to just listen, and respond but not in an open venue as this. There are other means of communication which are more effective & private.

& thanx again Rose.

I'm just quoting you because I can. :lol:

I am interested, but you're telling me something I already know in some men. :shrug: I don't know from personal experience, just from what a lot of guy friends have told me in the past. Also the way they've behaved. I never could understand why they couldn't just break up with a girl. It just seems like it would be easier and a lot less effort.

I knew some guys did this, I just had no idea it was so widespread. Like when we're learning to put on mascara and shave our legs, they're learning how to maximize their jerkiness to get some woman to run away screaming.

What do they do when it doesn't work? Like, despite their best efforts at being a dick, the woman just won't let go? Maybe the key is to run screaming the second he shows any kind of jerk tendencies?

Maybe the key is to run screaming the second he shows any kind of jerk tendencies?

That would be the most appropriate course of action for any woman. :yay:

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?

Interesting. My research has shown that women have a tendency to, when they want out, to slowly but surely, do one thing after another that they know Gunther, keeping with the Bavarian theme, does not approve of.

Oddly, the research shows that they, the women, actually think that by these actions, they are trying to get Gunther to stop behaviors he is responsible for that displeases her. Kind of a 'the beatings shall continue until morale improves' sort of thing. They may well be trying to get him to do one thing but, Gunthers, not being the brightest of the species, often react negatively to this sort of stimulus and do not do as Hilda expected. Or, did he do EXACTLY as she wanted?

In reviewing the cases, it seems the Gunthers tend to become ever more frustrated and, oddly enough, seem to start thinking that the Hilda actually doesn't like him much anymore and that she wants out. To his pea brain, why else would she not only do stuff he doesn't like but, tell him, in no uncertain terms, that she is the way she is, likes herself that way and to bad for Gunther, she ain't changing.

Comparison sampling has also revealed Gunthers indicating their growing unhappiness to Hilda and even, miraculously for any Gunther, being able to not only put their finger on but, communicate to the Hilda precisely what their problem is. There is an evidence trail that leads in three directions here. One is Hilda getting it and trying to work on it it, two is Hilda pretending she didn't hear it and three, Hilda saying, in essence, "Oh, ja, it must a be a sucking to be you, ja?"

Now, admittedly, my sampling is fairly limited but, what the research shows is that the Gunthers tend to find chicken #### ways out because A, they don't want it to end and b, they don't know what else to do. At some point, there are indications that they nuance the whole situation and with deft intellectual mastertery boil the whole thing down to "#### it"

This has odd results. There are actual recorded incidents of Hilda suddenly giving the Gunther exactly what he was asking for as though she had been listening all along. Now, being as this is human behavior and Gunther and Hilda have already exhibited that they are somewhat...struggling...with the whole relationship thing, the Gunther tends to live in an impending doom mode knowing he has done wrong and that that simply can not be the way to get what he really wants from Hilda. This phenomena is known as 'waiting for the other shoe to drop'.

Gravity, being what it is, tends to make the shoe, well, fall, and he finds himself right back at square one, in #### it mode, because nothing got 'fixed', a word Gunthers tend to be attracted to and Hilda's tend to treat as a guy word.

Now, conclusions tend to be inconclusive but, a common summary has been that the Hilda's do see them themselves in the right, see that what happened at the end had nothing to do with anything prior, ceratinly not their own behaviors and the Gunthers, being the clearly dumber of the study group, find themselves completely lost, especially when Hilda makes it perfectly clear that she loves him more than she has ever loved anyone and always will and it's all his fault that things are what they are and how dare him even ask for one simple freaking thing to even take step one back toweards one another because he feels the exact same way about her except, not being a total moron, he knows it is at least half his fault how ####ed up things are and he sure as hell never said "Too bad for you. I shall do as I please and you'll like it."

Now, this is, of course, just a study and not, strictly speaking, adhering to the scientific method and terminilogy. It does, however, lead one to the inevitable conclusion of what dad said a long time ago;

It takes two to Tango.


Ah, amore!

Too bad I'm going to be fixing the deck at the lake (finally) for the next 4 days with the guys and be out of comms. This could actually get interesting.

Maybe I can do some more research while I'm at it and see if anyone else has ever loved a woman so much while also being totally frustrated by the whole thing that they feel like they should have run kicking and screaming from her the first time she exhibited Hilda Derangement Syndrome, aka 'woman behavior' or if this is just the way it is with men and woman and either you find a way to keep working together because you love each other so much or you don't because it just hurts too much.

As always, we will just collect the data and dispassionately boil it down to some sort of snappy saying or tried and true truism.

YMMV

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?Must not apply to me. I'm not your standard man. :biggrin:

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?
Wasn't ever given the option of being the quitter, was always the quitee.

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?


It may seem kind of odd, but think about it. When he is trying to win your affection is he not the nicest guy on the planet? Ergo..

Ah, amore!

When a green spotted eel
Bites your friend on the heel,

That's a moray.......

When a green spotted eel
Bites your friend on the heel,

That's a moray.......You are ate up! :killingme

That would be the most appropriate course of action for any woman. :yay:

I've never known a guy ever in my whole entire life who wasn't a jerk at least sometimes.

Hey...wait a minute..... :confused:










:lol:

I've done this. I've spent months trying to get people to break up with me before. This one time, it took so long to get this girl to break up with me that, by the time she left, I had forgotten that I wanted her to. I was heartbroken for a good week before I remembered that I was supposed to be happy about it.

True story - you can't make this kind of stuff up.

I've done this. I've spent months trying to get people to break up with me before. This one time, it took so long to get this girl to break up with me that, by the time she left, I had forgotten that I wanted her to. I was heartbroken for a good week before I remembered that I was supposed to be happy about it.

True story - you can't make this kind of stuff up.

:lol:

I have seen a man drag out a relationship for the simple fact of not have to pay child support.:jerry:

Because sobbing and suicide threats are a downer?

DING DING DING.... :lol:

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

You said it right there. Men are wusses, and to them, this IS taking the easy way out. No sense in trying to analyze it, it's just how they roll. My husband of 21 years still tries to do this when he doesn't want to go to some function I'm "forcing" him to go to. I think he just does it to bug me.

Because sobbing and suicide threats are a downer?

Yep. I broke up with a girl the "right way" one time. Never again. If you break up nicely it makes them like you more and try to win you back.

If you make them hate you, they feel happy to have gotten away.

Yep. I broke up with a girl the "right way" one time. Never again. If you break up nicely it makes them like you more and try to win you back.

If you make them hate you, they feel happy to have gotten away.

Okay, so there is a practical reason for why guys do this, and it even makes sense (in a weird guy sort of way). Thank you! Finally an answer to the riddle. :yay:

Well, men don't want to be friends with an ex-romantic partner.
Unless they are a fall back option.

And this is interesting as well because women tend to want to stay friendly with their former beaus, even if they have no intention of ever hooking back up with them again. I think most women want an amicable split, and everyone to remain friends.

Guys want the nuclear option, over and out.

Interesting.

So I guess that begs the question, how can you tell when it's the break-up jerkiness or just normal guy pms?

So I guess that begs the question, how can you tell when it's the break-up jerkiness or just normal guy pms?

Great question.

Maybe it's all break up jerkiness, from leaving the toilet seat up to snarly moods to sleeping with other women.

:shrug:

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?



No more interesting than faking an orgasm.



Men have their weird things.
Women have their weird things.

And this is interesting as well because women tend to want to stay friendly with their former beaus


And this phenomenon never ceases to amaze me.

On 2 levels.


I have never had any interest or desire to be friends with any ex-girlfriend ever. I don't even like to wave to them from across a crowded room, much less chat on the phone or something. Once the gate is closed, it's dead to me. Why should I pretend to care what she has to say after that? So it's hard for me to fathom a mindset where you want to stay friends with people whose heart you've broken.


On a more abstract level, women always want to be friends with their ex-boyfriends... however women are extremely jealous creatures who get all possessive and feline when their man sniffs around an old flame. Women should know that if they remain friends with an ex-boyfriend, his next girlfriend is going to have an attitude it.

No more interesting than faking an orgasm.

Women fake orgasms for one of two reasons:

A) it's not happening and they don't want to hurt your feelings; or
B) you're taking too long and they're starting to think about laundry and that proposal they need to have done tomorrow, and they want to hurry you along.

And this phenomenon never ceases to amaze me.

On 2 levels.


I have never had any interest or desire to be friends with any ex-girlfriend ever. I don't even like to wave to them from across a crowded room, much less chat on the phone or something. Once the gate is closed, it's dead to me. Why should I pretend to care what she has to say after that? So it's hard for me to fathom a mindset where you want to stay friends with people whose heart you've broken.


On a more abstract level, women always want to be friends with their ex-boyfriends... however women are extremely jealous creatures who get all possessive and feline when their man sniffs around an old flame. Women should know that if they remain friends with an ex-boyfriend, his next girlfriend is going to have an attitude it.

Translation: Once I no longer want to have sex with you, you cease to hold my interest on any level.

:lol:

if a female has 2 fake it, she`s with the wrong guy from go street. no sense in just goin thru the motions. seems sum of y`ll have sum serious issues. I can`t say it any plainer. geese

All She Wants to Do is Dance. that`ll work temporarily. :-)) scru the typos

Damn, I`ll leave it @ that 4 now. Damn Shame, also described as

"What a Waste" beach is open!!!!! :killingme

Meanwhile.... I don`t mind Waitin 4 the rite Woman :D

& I do have a way not just with words also. I`m Bhavin.

4 y`all that`ll dwell on yr past, u`ll never make it in the future. evry1 has a past. ya just let that chit go..............smart, or u`ll never survive!!!!

huh? :confused:

Women fake orgasms for one of two reasons:

A) it's not happening and they don't want to hurt your feelings; or
B) you're taking too long and they're starting to think about laundry and that proposal they need to have done tomorrow, and they want to hurry you along.

Oh.. I know why they do it.

It still boggles my mind due to the possible ramifications.



And it's a deception.

"No hon, your butt does NOT look fat in those jeans."
"No, I wasn't looking at that girl"
"Yes, I do enjoy working around the house."

We all have our little deceptions. That's why battery sales are so high.

While this phenomenon is interesting... let's explore a counter point phenomenon.

Why is it that women tend to get fatter when they finally do rope in a man but, as soon as they get rid of or lose him, they are right back on the treadmill or in the gym. Isn't this counter productive to the end result?

Don't hate on my perceptions. Beauty and looks are thee #1 thing that attracts you to a mate. I will take insults from everyone who ever walked into a room, while looking for a mate, and said to themselves "WOW... I bet that one has a great personality!!"

"No hon, your butt does NOT look fat in those jeans."
"No, I wasn't looking at that girl"
"Yes, I do enjoy working around the house."


Well, if your wife is hot, the first two can quite possibly be the truth.

I've never even heard of a guy -- or a woman -- even pretend to like working around the house. Maybe yardwork and stuff can be fun (or at least relaxing), but I don't know a single person on the face of the earth who likes to vacuum, pick up stinky socks or wash the dishes.

I don't pretend to enjoy working around the house. I do it only because it's better than living in filth.


We all have our little deceptions. That's why battery sales are so high.

And beer.

Well, if your wife is hot, the first two can quite possibly be the truth.

I've never even heard of a guy -- or a woman -- even pretend to like working around the house. Maybe yardwork and stuff can be fun (or at least relaxing), but I don't know a single person on the face of the earth who likes to vacuum, pick up stinky socks or wash the dishes.

I don't pretend to enjoy working around the house. I do it only because it's better than living in filth.




And beer.

And PPV sports events
And PPV "adult" entertainment :dye:

While this phenomenon is interesting... let's explore a counter point phenomenon.

Why is it that women tend to get fatter when they finally do rope in a man but, as soon as they get rid of or lose him, they are right back on the treadmill or in the gym. Isn't this counter productive to the end result?

Don't hate on my perceptions. Beauty and looks are thee #1 thing that attracts you to a mate. I will take insults from everyone who ever walked into a room, while looking for a mate, and said to themselves "WOW... I bet that one has a great personality!!"

I dunno about that..maybe I am instantly interested in someone who is attractive to me...but there is such a thing as too attractive (translation: they are probably an ahole) and there has been many times where I have passed over a more conventionally "attractive" person..for one that looks like more fun, is funnier, or looks like they are interesting. The fun thing is powerful. If I walk in a room and see a super attractive guy who is sitting.
staring at his phone and another guy of average attractiveness who is reading an interesting looking book, has on a polka dotted shirt, or petting a puppy...that is the one I will likely go talk to.



And wanna know why we get skinny when we break up? To make you guys mad....not really to attract another man. :evil:

And wanna know why we get skinny when we break up? To make you guys mad....not really to attract another man. :evil:



This actually comes as no surprise to me.

This actually comes as no surprise to me.

But it doesn't stop you from being annoyed though..does it? :evil:


Ex was pissed when we broke up and I bought some crest whitestrips..(I have very nice teeth..wifey's are busted:evil:) he kept sayin "theyre so white" when I met him to get my stuff :whistle:

beer, batteries, "adult" entertainment and PPV fights... sounds like a great weekend. :yahoo:

And wanna know why we get skinny when we break up? To make you guys mad....not really to attract another man. :evil:

Actually, if we are already broken up, you are not making me mad at all? In fact, I was more mad when you let yourself go when we were together! After we are already broken up, I could care less about what you looked like.
If anything, you are going to get a reputation as the "Relationship Rotund/Skinny Single."

Its kind of a Yin-Yang thing! :howdy:

And wanna know why we get skinny when we break up? To make you guys mad....not really to attract another man. :evil:


I thought it was because there was no longer someone walking in the door at the end of the day asking what's for dinner.

I thought it was because there was no longer someone walking in the door at the end of the day asking what's for dinner.

:killingme Now that I live with someone..that is absolutely correct..

But it doesn't stop you from being annoyed though..does it? :evil:


I don't believe I ever date someone who completely let herself go while we were together only to get back on her game after I was gone.

However if I were in the situation where a girl did that, I'd probably be less "annoyed" and more confused and sad wondering why she didn't care enough about me or our relationship to do those things while we were together. Especially if I was doing 300 sit-ups and taking Enzyte every day to make her happy.

And wanna know why we get skinny when we break up? To make you guys mad....not really to attract another man. :evil:

This makes sense..... When we were breaking up, my ex started curling her hair, painting her toenails, getting skinny.... I thought it was either to boost her morale or look for guys. It makes absolute sense that she wanted to tick me off.... "Here I am, I'm looking good, and you can't touch.."

I don't believe I ever date someone who completely let herself go while we were together only to get back on her game after I was gone.

However if I were in the situation where a girl did that, I'd probably be less "annoyed" and more confused and sad wondering why she didn't care enough about me or our relationship to do those things while we were together. Especially if I was doing 300 sit-ups and taking Enzyte every day to make her happy.

You equate weight with how much a woman cares about you and your relationship?

You equate weight with how much a woman cares about you and your relationship?

Don't know about Tox but,

I 100% EQUATE WEIGHT TO HOW MUCH A WOMAN CARES ABOUT HERSELF!!

And if a woman does not care enough about herself then why would I think she cares about her mate?

Don't know about Tox but,

I 100% EQUATE WEIGHT TO HOW MUCH A WOMAN CARES ABOUT HERSELF!!

And if a woman does not care enough about herself then why would I think she cares about her mate?

Not herself...you and your relationship.

And why would you think that a woman equates her weight with how she feels about her partner or her relationship?


Men are allowed to gain that "comfy relationship" weight..but not women?


What if you were in a relationship with a total hottie..and she got say, crohns and was put on steroids and blew up like a balloon? How then?



I had a really good talk with SO about this once..He and perfectly honestly...that if I got fat he would still love me..but he would no longer be sexually attracted and that is an important thing to him. We agreed that if one of us gained too much weight we would try to help each other..but never did it cross either of our minds that something like that would happen because we no longer care about each other or our realtionship...that's just ridiculous. What if your gf/wife had a child and had a hard time getting the weight off would you assume she hates you and your relationship?


What an assinine theory.

I thought it was because there was no longer someone walking in the door at the end of the day asking what's for dinner.

This gets my vote. :yay:

I thought it was because there was no longer someone walking in the door at the end of the day asking what's for dinner.

:lmao:

beer, batteries, "adult" entertainment and PPV fights... sounds like a great weekend. :yahoo:

If they had a woman who'd have sex on demand, make them snacks, and do it all without speaking or trying to engage them in any way, this would be most guys' idea of a perfect weekend. :lol:

If I had a man who would give backrubs on command, clean my house, and do it all without speaking, I might oblige. Everyone could be happy
:dye:

Why is it that women tend to get fatter when they finally do rope in a man but, as soon as they get rid of or lose him, they are right back on the treadmill or in the gym. Isn't this counter productive to the end result?



I wouldn't say they were comfortable, I would say they were miserable. Speaking from personal experience I dropped weight without even trying when I got rid of the 190 lbs of douchebag man. :yay:

Translation: Once I no longer want to have sex with you, you cease to hold my interest on any level.

:lol:

"When Harry Met Sally" explains it for you.

Not herself...you and your relationship.

And why would you think that a woman equates her weight with how she feels about her partner or her relationship?


Men are allowed to gain that "comfy relationship" weight..but not women?


What if you were in a relationship with a total hottie..and she got say, crohns and was put on steroids and blew up like a balloon? How then?



I had a really good talk with SO about this once..He and perfectly honestly...that if I got fat he would still love me..but he would no longer be sexually attracted and that is an important thing to him. We agreed that if one of us gained too much weight we would try to help each other..but never did it cross either of our minds that something like that would happen because we no longer care about each other or our realtionship...that's just ridiculous. What if your gf/wife had a child and had a hard time getting the weight off would you assume she hates you and your relationship?


What an assinine theory.

Actually, what is assinine is that you think that the only time a woman gains weight or keeps it on is for the reasons you stated above!:killingme

Health issues and child birth are always the #1 and #2 things that women throw out there when this issue comes up but, what is the excuse 2-3 years after child birth? It is when laziness and lack of self respect come into play is when I get upset. Not sickness and child birth!

And I don't equate it with how a woman thinks about her partner or relationship.... That was Tox! I said it 100% equates to how she feels about herself. :coffee:

You equate weight with how much a woman cares about you and your relationship?



Hey, I was just rolling along with the conversation...


If I remember correctly, it was a conversation that you were a part of, and one in which you implied that women fix themselves up (perhaps lose weight, perhaps other things) "after" they break up with a man in order to piss him off.

The above quote seems to hint that you now all of a sudden want to get an attitude with me about the conversation and the way it's going.



Alright, since you asked straight out, the way you maintain your looks says a great deal about how much you care about your relationship.

I'm aware that people get older, and it's harder for women to maintain that hourglass, and men will get soggy around the midsection, and the gray is going to creep in, and boobs/balls are going to succumb to the long term effects of gravity. Sometimes the thyroid acts up, and people are suddenly round...

That's natural and has nothing to do with relationships nor the respect thereof.

However, if you snag a partner, and then suddenly decide that spending an hour at Curves is suddenly too much to ask, Bic Razors are suddenly too expensive for frequent shaves, running the brush through your hair 100 times every night is finally boring, and passing up that extra rack of ribs and beer is a bit more restraint than is really necessary, then it is a sign of complacence, and indicates that you don't respect yourself or your partner or your relationship enough to keep trying.

There. I said it.

Why are these discussions always about women who gain weight because of (insert reason), and rarely about the the man slob who parks in front (insert sporting event) with his beer and chips? Jeez, you people make it sound like men don't get fat.

Why are these discussions always about women who gain weight because of (insert reason), and rarely about the the man slob who parks in front (insert sporting event) with his beer and chips? Jeez, you people make it sound like men don't get fat.

Because men are shallow asshats who only care about superficial qualities like looks.

And, Tox, if you think only the good looking hotties care about their relationships, I have some gals I'd like you to meet. Typically they, like their extraordinarily hot male counterparts, are insanely self-centered and do not even think about you, let alone care about you. Most of them think all they have to do is show up and you should fall down in a heap of gratitude.

Choice between a rack of ribs and beer, and some guy who only likes you when you're a size 6? No contest, baby.

Why are these discussions always about women who gain weight because of (insert reason), and rarely about the the man slob who parks in front (insert sporting event) with his beer and chips? Jeez, you people make it sound like men don't get fat.

:yeahthat: When did it become ok to burp, fart and scratch their privates in front of their spouse also. That sure didn't happen when they dated either. :shrug:

Why are these discussions always about women who gain weight because of (insert reason), and rarely about the the man slob who parks in front (insert sporting event) with his beer and chips? Jeez, you people make it sound like men don't get fat.

If you want the honest answer.... It is because it does not happen NEARLY as much as with women!

I pose this question to you: How often do you see slim men with wider women? I know I see it ALL THE TIME!

Now, how often do you see slim women with wider men? HARDLY EVER!!!

I would be willing to bet you a paycheck that the fat, chip eating, beer guzzling slob you are referring to will be going home to an equally ice cream devouring, rotund GF or wife!

Hey, I was just rolling along with the conversation...


If I remember correctly, it was a conversation that you were a part of, and one in which you implied that women fix themselves up (perhaps lose weight, perhaps other things) "after" they break up with a man in order to piss him off.

The above quote seems to hint that you now all of a sudden want to get an attitude with me about the conversation and the way it's going.



Alright, since you asked straight out, the way you maintain your looks says a great deal about how much you care about your relationship.

I'm aware that people get older, and it's harder for women to maintain that hourglass, and men will get soggy around the midsection, and the gray is going to creep in, and boobs/balls are going to succumb to the long term effects of gravity. Sometimes the thyroid acts up, and people are suddenly round...

That's natural and has nothing to do with relationships nor the respect thereof.

However, if you snag a partner, and then suddenly decide that spending an hour at Curves is suddenly too much to ask, Bic Razors are suddenly too expensive for frequent shaves, running the brush through your hair 100 times every night is finally boring, and passing up that extra rack of ribs and beer is a bit more restraint than is really necessary, then it is a sign of complacence, and indicates that you don't respect yourself or your partner or your relationship enough to keep trying.

There. I said it.



Yeah. And we are supossed to ignore when hubby stops shaving, starts farting, gains the inevitable "marriage weight", walks around in hole-y boxers, reduces their exercise to cutting the grass on the riding lawnmower and abandons chinos and collared shirts for tucked in tshirts and ratty jeans?


but giving life to children doesn't entitle you to a couple of extra pounds and a thrice yearly shave?


:killingme



Still. I fail to see how the way a person LOOKS...equals how they feel about ANOTHER person. It's silly.

and staying skinny is a lot of hard work for some women..if they want to chill out a little and be more comfy...so what. if you are looking for a stepford wife..I hear they have the kits on ebay. Cuz unless you are brad pitt and plan on staying that way...you have no room to talk :)

Because men are shallow asshats who only care about superficial qualities like looks.

And, Tox, if you think only the good looking hotties care about their relationships, I have some gals I'd like you to meet. Typically they, like their extraordinarily hot male counterparts, are insanely self-centered and do not even think about you, let alone care about you. Most of them think all they have to do is show up and you should fall down in a heap of gratitude.

Choice between a rack of ribs and beer, and some guy who only likes you when you're a size 6? No contest, baby.

Seems to me that from this statement V, that you find yourself surrounded by "friends" that are the same as the "shallow asshats" that you despise!

Seems to me that from this statement V, that you find yourself surrounded by "friends" that are the same as the "shallow asshats" that you despise!

Not sure what this means? Unless you're thinking these self-centered supermodels are my "friends" and not merely woman I happen to know.

Also, I'm probably old enough to be your mother, so my perspective is going to be a bit different from yours.

Yeah. And we are supossed to ignore when hubby stops shaving, starts farting, gains the inevitable "marriage weight", walks around in hole-y boxers, reduces their exercise to cutting the grass on the riding lawnmower and abandons chinos and collared shirts for tucked in tshirts and ratty jeans?


but giving life to children doesn't entitle you to a couple of extra pounds and a thrice yearly shave?


:killingme



Still. I fail to see how the way a person LOOKS...equals how they feel about ANOTHER person. It's silly.

and staying skinny is a lot of hard work for some women..if they want to chill out a little and be more comfy...so what. if you are looking for a stepford wife..I hear they have the kits on ebay. Cuz unless you are brad pitt and plan on staying that way...you have no room to talk :)

woot woot :buddies::clap::clap:

Yeah. And we are supossed to ignore when hubby stops shaving, starts farting, gains the inevitable "marriage weight", walks around in hole-y boxers, reduces their exercise to cutting the grass on the riding lawnmower and abandons chinos and collared shirts for tucked in tshirts and ratty jeans?

When they do that, you're supposed to immediately stop loving them, or even speaking to them, and go find a better looking guy.

In fact, it appears that the second they so much as frown or speak in less than soothing tones, you should assume they're trying to get you to break up with them.

:yay:

All men should come with a ball gag so we don't have to listen to their ridiculous complaints while we're trying to have sex with them. Buzzkill.

Not sure what this means? Unless you're thinking these self-centered supermodels are my "friends" and not merely woman I happen to know.

Also, I'm probably old enough to be your mother, so my perspective is going to be a bit different from yours.

If this was true you would be complaining on the ARTHRITIS boards...not this one. :buddies:

The friends thing was my mistake....read too far into your post. :whistle:

All men should come with a ball gag so we don't have to listen to their ridiculous complaints while we're trying to have sex with them. Buzzkill.


Best statement ever.
:1bdz:

When they do that, you're supposed to immediately stop loving them, or even speaking to them, and go find a better looking guy.

In fact, it appears that the second they so much as frown or speak in less than soothing tones, you should assume they're trying to get you to break up with them.

:yay:

All men should come with a ball gag so we don't have to listen to their ridiculous complaints while we're trying to have sex with them. Buzzkill.

Why are they complaining when you are having sex with them?

All men should come with a ball gag so we don't have to listen to their ridiculous complaints while we're trying to have sex with them. Buzzkill.

And all women should come with a remote control belly band so that men can flip the switch when they reach for the ice cream and bon-bons!

Now, I have never known a woman to do this -

Of course not. It's easier to arrange to be bangin' the hired help when you get home from work. True story. Of course, we weren't married and it was 20 years ago.....

Took me 6 months of hard work to get into those panties, and she *bam* gave it up to a virtual stranger just to piss me off. That's the part that really made me mad... :killingme

Why are they complaining when you are having sex with them?

Vrai... ROFL. You're supposed to suck DURING sex, not AT sex. Sheesh!!

Yeah. And we are supossed to ignore when hubby stops shaving, starts farting, gains the inevitable "marriage weight", walks around in hole-y boxers, reduces their exercise to cutting the grass on the riding lawnmower and abandons chinos and collared shirts for tucked in tshirts and ratty jeans?

He was referring to BOTH sexes, sweetie. Of course, you are female, so I suppose your reaction is to be expected...

Why are they complaining when you are having sex with them?

They're obviously trying to get me to break up with them. :shrug:

this is something i would never do, and i don't have a good reason why it happen. it seem like an evil thing. i certainly wouldn't want my lady to do that to me. it is an evil thing.

this is something i would never do, and i don't have a good reason why it happen. it seem like an evil thing. i certainly wouldn't want my lady to do that to me. it is an evil thing.

Glad you cleared that up for her. :yay:

They're obviously trying to get me to break up with them. :shrug:

Aren't you still married? :confused:

Aren't you still married? :confused:

Hey stranger! How've you been? :huggy:

Hey stranger! How've you been? :huggy:

Ok I guess :shrug:

So........'splain :coffee:

Ok I guess :shrug:

So........'splain :coffee:

That was actually a generic "me", not me personally.

That was actually a generic "me", not me personally.


Gotcha :yay:

That was actually a generic "me", not me personally.
Whew... that makes better sense... Larry didn't strike me as a "complainer" but rather a "screecher" who makes guitar playin' faces while gettin' busy....:larry:

Because men are shallow asshats who only care about superficial qualities like looks.

And, Tox, if you think only the good looking hotties care about their relationships, I have some gals I'd like you to meet. Typically they, like their extraordinarily hot male counterparts, are insanely self-centered and do not even think about you, let alone care about you. Most of them think all they have to do is show up and you should fall down in a heap of gratitude.

Choice between a rack of ribs and beer, and some guy who only likes you when you're a size 6? No contest, baby.


You're putting words into my mouth that I didn't say nor imply.




Nor did I single out women. The "rack of ribs & beer" comment was directed at men, not women who like ribs n beer. That was supposed to be indicitive of a two-way street there.




But since all men are shallow ass-hats, I guess it's my bad.








PS: All women are ####s.

That was actually a generic "me", not me personally.

multiple personalities?

Yeah. And we are supossed to ignore when hubby stops shaving, starts farting, gains the inevitable "marriage weight", walks around in hole-y boxers, reduces their exercise to cutting the grass on the riding lawnmower and abandons chinos and collared shirts for tucked in tshirts and ratty jeans?

Please quote me where I said or implied that.





:tap: I'll wait.

Everything I said applies equally to both sexes. I never said that it was acceptable for men to become big fat slobs any more than it was for women to become big fat slobs.

I said - and meant - that abandoning the things one does in an attempt to remain attractive for their mates is a sign of taking that mate for granted.


I stand by this, and if anyone thinks that's a personal attack on women everywhere, then I have nothing further to add, except "Bite me".


but giving life to children doesn't entitle you to a couple of extra pounds and a thrice yearly shave?


Pounds yes - skipping shaves... NOPE. There are no excuses for skipping hygeine rituals.



Still. I fail to see how the way a person LOOKS...equals how they feel about ANOTHER person. It's silly.


That's because you're jumping to a conclusion, and putting words into my mouth.



I don't give a #### about looks.




I'm talking about "EFFORT".



I thought that was clear from the beginning. Apparently not.

I used the term "let oneself go" rather than "turn ugly". There's a difference. We all get ugly. But some of us simply stop trying.




and staying skinny is a lot of hard work for some women..if they want to chill out a little and be more comfy...so what. if you are looking for a stepford wife..I hear they have the kits on ebay. Cuz unless you are brad pitt and plan on staying that way...you have no room to talk :)

I'm starting to think that all the women in here have had their cycles synced up.


Jesus H. Christ.

clone? nope that`s me. mayb AI. they dun 4got how 2 count to 28, don`t fret the cycles. :killingme

ugh. I have come to find that none of your posts make any sense and you are quite annoying. Go choke on a dick! :yay:

Jesus H. Christ.

Don't sweat it. She just doesn't want to be judged when she has...

that...

one...

last...


BonBon....

And POW! The friggin' belly button ring shoots across the room and puts out somebody's eye!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PUT DOWN THE BONBON!!!! :cds:

i`m str8. :evil:

:killingme Sure you are.

Wow.

Let's see:

If we have a complaint about men, we're either:

A) Fat;
B) Having our period; or
C) Both

Interesting.

Wow.

Let's see:

If we have a complaint about men, we're either:

A) Fat;
B) Having our period; or
C) Both

Interesting.

You forgot psycho beyotch.

Wow.

Let's see:

If we have a complaint about men, we're either:

A) Fat;
B) Having our period; or
C) Both

Interesting.




I entered the conversation thinking that it was somewhat lighthearted and that's how I was responding. It turned somewhat hostile instead when I wasn't looking.

That said, I'm not railing against anyone's complaint against men. If I wasted time doing that, I'd have no time for anything else.

Just the pointedly #####y attitude that sprung up when I dared to try and play along and offered what I thought was a valid, albeit non-PC, observation about the human condition.





Going back the the original post, I now offer my response:


HOW DARE YOU VERA!!! NOT ALL MEN DO THAT. I'VE NEVER ACTED LIKE AN A-HOLE TO GET RID OF A WOMAN. NONE OF MY MALE FRIENDS HAVE DONE THAT EITHER. YOUR SUCH A SEXIST AND A HYPCRITE FOR SAYING THAT. WOMEN ARE SUCH HYPOCRITES AND SEXISTS. ALL OF THEM. THEY THROW OUT BLANKET STATEMENTS, AND THEN CALL YOU FAT AND UGLY IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.


M3N R00L
Ch1X dR00L.



So there.

I would like to point out that I'm digging the lesbian dating ad that has suddenly become prevalent in this thread.

I would like to point out that I'm digging the lesbian dating ad that has suddenly become prevalent in this thread.

Google reads our mind and serves ads accordingly.

I entered the conversation thinking that it was somewhat lighthearted and that's how I was responding. It turned somewhat hostile instead when I wasn't looking.

How typical. A woman asks a legitimate question. The man gets defensive and proceeds to pick a fight. When called on it, he insists that it was the woman who picked the fight.

Which brings me right straight back to my original observation.

Where's that lesbian dating banner?

How typical. A woman asks a legitimate question. The man gets defensive and proceeds to pick a fight. When called on it, he insists that it was the woman who picked the fight.



Ok - now you're trollin'. :lmao:




Where's that lesbian dating banner?

Bottom of the page. :shrug: That's where I've seen it.

Zoobs or something.

The ad at the bottom of my page says visit Beaver country. Looked like a travel ad, but I GUESS it could be a lesbian ad...

The ad at the bottom of my page says visit Beaver country. Looked like a travel ad, but I GUESS it could be a lesbian ad...



Nah - I'm not seeing it any more :(

To quote Chris Rock....

"Men tell the most lies.... Women tell the biggest lies!"

"A man's lie is like.... I was over at Craig's house."

"A woman's lie is like..... It's yo baby!"


So true..... So true... :killingme

The ad at the bottom of my page says visit Beaver country. Looked like a travel ad, but I GUESS it could be a lesbian ad...

:lmao:

I'm seeing a laser hair removal ad. :lol:

:lmao:

I'm seeing a laser hair removal ad. :lol:

I guess that would make sense before your trip to beaver country

:killingme

I'll just say it...

I like my women to have curves. Curves come from some extra weight.
When my ex came down with Crone's, she lost weight and dropped to 93lbs (she's 5'2") that was too skinny. Her ideal weight was around 120+...

At least in my mind it was. :whistle:

I'll just say it...

I like my women to have curves. Curves come from some extra weight.
When my ex came down with Crone's, she lost weight and dropped to 93lbs (she's 5'2") that was too skinny. Her ideal weight was around 120+...

At least in my mind it was. :whistle:

I think this is a misconception forced upon us by what advertisers WANT us to see as an ideal woman. A woman can be curvy without carrying extra weight.

Anyway, what happened to the "Way too far thread"?

I think this is a misconception forced upon us by what advertisers WANT us to see as an ideal woman. A woman can be curvy without carrying extra weight.

Anyway, what happened to the "Way too far thread"?

Actually, that was my own personal experience. Advertisers want us to screw skeletons.

Advertisers want us to screw skeletons.

:yay:curves::yay:
You'll put your eye out kid!

:yay:curves::yay:
You'll put your eye out kid!

:lol:

I'm not going to bang any skeletons. :dye:

And I'm no kid... :lmao:

:lol:

I'm not going to bang any skeletons. :dye:

And I'm no kid... :lmao:

It all depends on what you define as "curves."

A lot of the women that I see around these parts don't just have curves. They have CIRCUMFERENCE!! :yikes:

It all depends on what you define as "curves."

A lot of the women that I see around these parts don't just have curves. They have CIRCUMFERENCE!! :yikes:

Is that similar to GIRTH

Don't sweat it. She just doesn't want to be judged when she has...

that...

one...

last...


BonBon....

And POW! The friggin' belly button ring shoots across the room and puts out somebody's eye!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PUT DOWN THE BONBON!!!! :cds:

Haha damn right:killingme:killingme. I look good now..but it takes hard work and it makes me grumpy. one day I hope I can be comfortable enough with myself and secure enough in my relationship to not have to try quite so hard..because I know he loves me and appreciates me for what i add to his life and not for how skinny I am to his friends.




I entered the conversation thinking that it was somewhat lighthearted and that's how I was responding. It turned somewhat hostile instead when I wasn't looking.

That said, I'm not railing against anyone's complaint against men. If I wasted time doing that, I'd have no time for anything else.

Just the pointedly #####y attitude that sprung up when I dared to try and play along and offered what I thought was a valid, albeit non-PC, observation about the human condition.





Going back the the original post, I now offer my response:


HOW DARE YOU VERA!!! NOT ALL MEN DO THAT. I'VE NEVER ACTED LIKE AN A-HOLE TO GET RID OF A WOMAN. NONE OF MY MALE FRIENDS HAVE DONE THAT EITHER. YOUR SUCH A SEXIST AND A HYPCRITE FOR SAYING THAT. WOMEN ARE SUCH HYPOCRITES AND SEXISTS. ALL OF THEM. THEY THROW OUT BLANKET STATEMENTS, AND THEN CALL YOU FAT AND UGLY IF YOU DISAGREE WITH THEM.


M3N R00L
Ch1X dR00L.



So there.





haha believe it or not I was being lighthearted myself..it's such a classic male-female argument. :buddies:

It all depends on what you define as "curves."

A lot of the women that I see around these parts don't just have curves. They have CIRCUMFERENCE!! :yikes:

I tossed an orange to one and she didn't have to catch it... It just joined the can of beer, baseball, and two ham sandwiches in orbit.

Haha damn right:killingme:killingme. I look good now..but it takes hard work and it makes me grumpy. one day I hope I can be comfortable enough with myself and secure enough in my relationship to not have to try quite so hard..because I know he loves me and appreciates me for what i add to his life and not for how skinny I am to his friends.


The ironic part is you can put on a few pounds and he'll be OK.


But you, you'll be ashamed of it and hate how you look, then blame men that you aren't happy with your looks....

I've see it a bazillion times before, tis how it works. No matter how many times a man tells his woman he loves her even if her looks... degrade... she'll still be unhappy about it....

The ironic part is you can put on a few pounds and he'll be OK.


But you, you'll be ashamed of it and hate how you look, then blame men that you aren't happy with your looks....

I've see it a bazillion times before, tis how it works. No matter how many times a man tells his woman he loves her even if her looks... degrade... she'll still be unhappy about it....


because he'll tell her that then come on somd.com and say shes doing it on purpose because she doesn't care about herself or her relationship.:killingme:killingme

When a green spotted eel
Bites your friend on the heel,

That's a moray.......

:high5: Best post of the thread! :lol:

Okay, I'm late to the party here this week - but I observe that instead of discussing the topic of the tread, some posters like to divert attention away by changing the subject.

So we went from pondering why guys act like jerks in a relationship so they don't have to break up with a gal - to wimmens are all heifer beyotches on the rag who need to lose weight. Okie doke!

:high5: Best post of the thread! :lol:

An old diving chant we used to sing...
when you're diving at night, and your feet feel the bite,
that's a moray
when your hand's in the cave, suddenly you'll need saved,
that's a moray
when you blubber and scream, but you have a bad dream
that's amore
when he hits all your fingers, with teeth that are stingers,
a moray...

that's a moray that's a moray

little fella

when he bites on your thumb, takes a chunk of your bum,
that's a moray
when you reach in his cave, he's all bravo and brave
he's a moray

and it's not how it feels, and you know you have eels,
that's a moray....
scuzza me, but you see, let them be, or you'll see
lotsa morays.......

Another version....

There's a thing on the reef, with big shiny white teeth - it's a Moray
If he's big and he's mean, and he's slimy and green - it's a Moray

Put your hand in the crack and you won't get it back - It's a Moray
When you're movin' your hands, best take care where they land - Watch for Morays

When some teeth catch your eye. and an eel wriggles by - It's a Moray
when something, bites your fin, and throws off your trim - It's a Moray

Keep your fingers in tight and you won't have a fright - It's a Moray
When you're moving by feel and then up pops the eel - It's a Moray

When an eel bites your thigh, as you're just swimming by - It's a Moray
When you scream, and you beg, but it still bites your leg - It's a Moray

Watch you don't get a shark, When you search, after dark - for amore
When you're out of your depth, and you run short of breath - that's amore air

When he's fanning his gills, Better head for the hills - It's a Moray
when your light, in the night, gets swallowed out of sight, - It's a Moray

When your horse munches straw, And the bales total four - That's some more hay.
When you're down and it's dark, Over there - that a shark?, No - It's a Moray

When you ace your last test, Like you did all the rest - That's some more "A"s!
When your boat comes home fine, And you tie up her line - That's a moor, eh?

When you've had quite enough, Of this daft rhyming stuff, that's "no more!", eh?

Another version....

:roflmao:

All men should come with a ball gag so we don't have to listen to their ridiculous complaints while we're trying to have sex with them. Buzzkill.

That's just sad for any woman to say or agree with. Maybe it's not him.:whistle:

Haha damn right:killingme:killingme. I look good now..but it takes hard work and it makes me grumpy. one day I hope I can be comfortable enough with myself and secure enough in my relationship to not have to try quite so hard..because I know he loves me and appreciates me for what i add to his life and not for how skinny I am to his friends.
:

Post pics or its not true. I guarantee you're a mess.

That's just sad for any woman to say or agree with. Maybe it's not him.:whistle:

If he's the one talking :blahblah:, guess what? It's him.

If he's the one talking :blahblah:, guess what? It's him.
If he is complaining about anything or talking about anything other then sex during sex. Then your not doing something right.
Just my opinion and experience.

If he is complaining about anything or talking about anything other then sex during sex. Then your not doing something right.
Just my opinion and experience.

Yep, it's always on the woman to make it happen. :yay:

Actually, I was referring to talking instead of having sex. Lots of men AND women like to do that. And it's possible I just don't know what I'm doing in the rack. :smile:

But it's interesting how defensive some people got.

Yep, it's always on the woman to make it happen. :yay:
Not just up to the woman. But I am one of those women who believes we should tell him how we like it so that it does happen.

Actually, I was referring to talking instead of having sex. Lots of men AND women like to do that. And it's possible I just don't know what I'm doing in the rack. :smile:
OK then be more carful how you word it. That didn't sound good the first time.:lmao:

But it's interesting how defensive some people got.
I didn't get defensive I just thought it was a little sad. But glad to see it wasn't what you actually meant. :yay:

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?

He does that so ending the relationship is HER derision, not his, absolving himself from guilt (in his mind), even thought he forced her into it.

He does that so ending the relationship is HER derision, not his, absolving himself from guilt (in his mind), even thought he forced her into it.

Uhhhhh..... has anyone thought about the idea that the man HAS TOLD her that he wants out but she just DOES NOT GET IT? I have seen that many times too. Not saying it happens EVERYTIME but, it does happen. :coffee:

Wow.

Let's see:

If we have a complaint about men, we're either:

A) Fat;
B) Having our period; or
C) Both

Interesting.

:killingmeYou all are really making me glad I'm single!!!!

Uhhhhh..... has anyone thought about the idea that the man HAS TOLD her that he wants out but she just DOES NOT GET IT? I have seen that many times too. Not saying it happens EVERYTIME but, it does happen. :coffee:

I have never seen this happen. Why do they want to stay with someone who does not want to be with them? It makes no sense.

I have never seen this happen. Why do they want to stay with someone who does not want to be with them? It makes no sense.

Are you kidding? Women are famous for this, but men do it too. They think they can become a habit or guilt him into staying or something.

And it's possible I just don't know what I'm doing in the rack. :smile:
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You have sex in a rack? Are you into BDSM?

Men are from Mars.
Women are from Venus.

Interplanetary travel and communication/understanding has not yet been accomplished to everyone's satisfaction, even though multiple efforts have been made.

It is a work in progress...:whistle:

Yep, it's always on the woman to make it happen. :yay:

Actually, I was referring to talking instead of having sex. Lots of men AND women like to do that. And it's possible I just don't know what I'm doing in the rack. :smile:

But it's interesting how defensive some people got.

Then of course you can just sort of leave it in there nice and snug and talk too. Makes for nice intimate conversations. That usually end abrubtly in a frenzy of crazy contortions. :wink:

Are you kidding? Women are famous for this, but men do it too. They think they can become a habit or guilt him into staying or something.

I get that they are trying to keep someone in their life (by some means of force) that does not want them. But my question is why they want someone who does not want them back. What’s the motivation behind it? Wouldn't it be easier to just go out and find someone new?

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.

Now, I have never known a woman to do this - at least not to where they admitted it or even realized they were doing it. But in my sample polling - four so far - it appears to be fairly standard for men. And all this time I just thought they were simply...jerks. Who knew? :lmao:

The dishonesty in this is fascinating to me and it seems like an awful lot of work when there is a much simpler solution. Women tend to either A) just come out with it; or B) fade away. But it is also in character with most men I know to do things the hard way instead of shortcut it and get it over with, like women do.

Anyone else think this is an interesting phenomenon?

Nope, it happens pretty much happens all the time to me. Then...it becomes "the girls fault" and the guy did nothing wrong. So when the female tries to make up, (because now she is made to believe she's done something wrong) she has now become some psycho woman and she needs help and the guy doesn't want her anymore. Instead of him saying "I like you but... maybe lets be friends instead" or something like that, it leaves her thinking "WTF happened and what did I do wrong?"

Nope, it happens pretty much happens all the time to me. Then...it becomes "the girls fault" and the guy did nothing wrong. So when the female tries to make up, (because now she is made to believe she's done something wrong) she has now become some psycho woman and she needs help and the guy doesn't want her anymore. Instead of him saying "I like you but... maybe lets be friends instead" or something like that, it leaves her thinking "WTF happened and what did I do wrong?"

Ahhh...this is so familiar. Not only has it happened to me personally, but this is a frequent subject around the girl campfire.

Even if they'd say, "You know what? I don't even like you. I don't want to be friends, in fact I hate you and wish you were dead. Get the hell off me." - that would be preferable. Because the woman always wants to try and make it better, when the fact is that she can't do anything right at that point and now he gets to paint her as some psycho stalker when it is *he* that has the honesty issues and personality disorder.

:lol: :crazy:

Wow.

Let's see:

If we have a complaint about men, we're either:

A) Fat;
B) Having our period; or
C) Both

Interesting.
You forgot to mention lesbian.
There is no reason for any woman to complain about any man unless she is lesbian. I learned this in bars so it must be true.
Im only here to help.

Where is all the rest of this? Damn things get deleted fast.

Ahhh...this is so familiar. Not only has it happened to me personally, but this is a frequent subject around the girl campfire.

Even if they'd say, "You know what? I don't even like you. I don't want to be friends, in fact I hate you and wish you were dead. Get the hell off me." - that would be preferable. Because the woman always wants to try and make it better, when the fact is that she can't do anything right at that point and now he gets to paint her as some psycho stalker when it is *he* that has the honesty issues and personality disorder.

:lol: :crazy:

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

I'm voting this tread of the day!

Even if they'd say, "You know what? I don't even like you. I don't want to be friends, in fact I hate you and wish you were dead. Get the hell off me." - that would be preferable.




No, it really wouldn't.

I have tried this approach.



Not in those exact words - I was not quite so brutal - but that general gist.





Yeah, no. That didn't go over well at all.

No, it really wouldn't.

I have tried this approach.



Not in those exact words - I was not quite so brutal - but that general gist.





Yeah, no. That didn't go over well at all.

Correct. Only one of two things is going to happen. She will beat you senseless - that whole "woman scorned" thing - or you get the below reaction...

Are you kidding? Women are famous for this, but men do it too. They think they can become a habit or guilt him into staying or something.

...this. She will try to desperately cling to you, and this is no fun either.

...this. She will try to desperately cling to you, and this is no fun either.

Breaking up is hard to do. :shrug:

We all have our break up horror stories, but really the vast majority of them go fairly smoothly. Unless you just have a penchant for psychos. So you really shouldn't punish the normal people for the sins of the small percentage of mentally ill.

Honesty is always the best policy.

Breaking up is hard to do. :shrug:

We all have our break up horror stories, but really the vast majority of them go fairly smoothly. Unless you just have a penchant for psychos. So you really shouldn't punish the normal people for the sins of the small percentage of mentally ill.

Honesty is always the best policy.

You're right, in general. It's a judgement call, though - sometimes you just KNOW the truth is going to set somebody off, and at that point you pick the course of action with the least collateral damage.

Ahhh...this is so familiar. Not only has it happened to me personally, but this is a frequent subject around the girl campfire.

Even if they'd say, "You know what? I don't even like you. I don't want to be friends, in fact I hate you and wish you were dead. Get the hell off me." - that would be preferable. Because the woman always wants to try and make it better, when the fact is that she can't do anything right at that point and now he gets to paint her as some psycho stalker when it is *he* that has the honesty issues and personality disorder.

:lol: :crazy:

OH HOW TRUE!!! LOL!! It's always the females fault and they do nothing wrong. EVER!!! Ask any man...they will be kind enough to point the finger.

OH HOW TRUE!!! LOL!! It's always the females fault and they do nothing wrong. EVER!!! Ask any man...they will be kind enough to point the finger.



As opposed to women who never point the finger, as evinced by your completely rational post.

If this is the kind of drama you have to deal with, why would you want to be with that kind of man?

Relationships are supposed to be fun and bring out the best in us - if that's not happening, something is wrong. If you're putting out all that effort, trying hard, and being pleasant and that's the kind of response you get then move on - - there are some really AWESOME men out there that will give you every bit of what you give them. You should be happy. You don't have to struggle to be happy.

- there are some really AWESOME men out there that will give you every bit of what you give them. .
Most men will give you every bit of what you give them.
if the woman acts like a total self centered princess beatch that thinks she is always right regardless, then guess how the man is going to end up treating her?
Personally for me, I just wait till I get the car up to about 80 then kick the princess out the door.
Makes me much happier and leaves little chance of the constant begging to get back together.

...that it is a quite common practice for men to, when they want to break if off with a woman, be as big of jerks as they can in order to get *her* to break it off with *him*. Instead of simply saying, "Look, Hilda, it's not working out and I'd like us to just be friends and not romantic partners," he'll chicken out and try to piss her off to the point she throws him out. A conscious effort.


I know that they do that. I've done it. I've done the "it's not you it's me" thing. I've done the stop calling and slowly fade away thing.

But to be honest, even if women DON'T do this, what they often do is no better.

The "I only ever slept with you to get so-and-so jealous and now we're seeing each other" one.

The "I never loved you" one, usually after many years of involvement.

The act like a ##### to make you break up with her - but it's not an act - she just doesn't like you any more and is just being herself.

The old rat you out to all her friends so that everyone you both know will hate you thing - before she dumps you.

The let you linger on a relationship that's hanging like a loose tooth - because she's bored and doesn't have anyone else lined up.

The "what have you done for me lately" thing.

And the one I like best - the BABD - the bigger and better deal. You got traded up. e.g. he makes more money than you.

..................................

And it's possible that the guy doing this really is just the girl's version of the one I mentioned earlier. He wants out, and starts acting like a jerk, because that's how he acts when he's unhappy.

Breaking up is hard to do. :shrug:

We all have our break up horror stories, but really the vast majority of them go fairly smoothly.

I have to disagree. There's a movie line somewhere that illustrates this.

"Why does it have to end badly?"
"It always ends badly. If it didn't, it wouldn't end".

Most of the time it DOESN'T end badly for the one who breaks it off. They get what they want.

It's like saying fistfights don't end badly. It's not so bad if you win, especially if you land the first punch with a knockout. It is if you're the one on the ground.

Ahhh...this is so familiar. Not only has it happened to me personally, but this is a frequent subject around the girl campfire.

Even if they'd say, "You know what? I don't even like you. I don't want to be friends, in fact I hate you and wish you were dead. Get the hell off me." - that would be preferable. Because the woman always wants to try and make it better, when the fact is that she can't do anything right at that point and now he gets to paint her as some psycho stalker when it is *he* that has the honesty issues and personality disorder.

:lol: :crazy:

Vrai, I'm disappointed in you. You are so busy manhating that you missed the most important part:

Nope, it happens pretty much happens all the time to me.

If you have a bad breakup once or twice it's normal. If it happens "all the time" maybe the other person isn't the one at fault.....

If you have a bad breakup once or twice it's normal. If it happens "all the time" maybe the other person isn't the one at fault.....

How about those folks who have been through 3 or 4 marriages? :popcorn:

They can't seem to make it work out.....is there a common parallel here?

How about those folks who have been through 3 or 4 marriages? :popcorn:

They can't seem to make it work out.....is there a common parallel here?

I'm of the opinion that people can make the wrong choice once, maybe twice.

Beyond that, it seems to me that whatever is going wrong with their marriage, they are bringing a lot of it in themselves, because they're the only constant.

Just reading this entire thread and what a mess it is LOL. I think people try to break up in a way to try and not hurt each others feelings, we all hate rejection. Sex weighs in heavy too, you don't want to let that good stuff go and someone else getting hold of it. You see that x later on and you get jealous because ole boy has it now. Or does the lady get uncomfortable when she sees you because you where all up in it before. I had to act like a jerk to get rid of someone, she new it had to end and kept pursuing. I had a lady do the 80% ignore thing to me, I got the hint.

Women today face so much pressure about how they are suppose to look like the Barbie. I got to admit some just don't give a dam eating McDs all day. Some men expect to get a barbie with bellys, some get them LOL. I guess my final thought is ladies, please us more, doesnt the bible say something about submit. OOOps did I say that.

In order to have a relationship that is successful, you need to be comfortable with yourself first... both men and women. If you NEED sex, if you NEED a partner, then you are not ready. :shrug:

If you are critical of your own behavior / appearance / attitude / heatlh / smell etc, don't b*tch because your SO is critical of the same. Duh.

If you NEED a man / women, you really need to get your sh*t straight and stop being so damned needy first. :shrug:

Once you get yourself figured out, you may find that the people you are meeting aren't such #######s. You are, after all, what you surround yourself with. :yay: