Men look for good bodies in short-term mates, pretty faces in long-term mates (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100925105837.htm)

"ScienceDaily (Sep. 26, 2010) — Men who are looking for short-term companionship are more interested in a woman's body than those looking for a long-term relationship, who focused on a woman's face, according to new research from psychologists at The University of Texas at Austin."

Believe me, ...they got both in Texas and right across the board...........:hot:

So, who's surprised by this? :whistle:

So, who's surprised by this? :whistle:

Men who look for "face first" are prob'ly looking for "Ms. Right."
Those that seek out the 'hot bods' are prob'ly looking for "Ms. Right NOW."
Tell me I'm wrong....:shrug:

Well and of course we all know taht women don't care at ALL about looks.. it's all about PERSONALITY with them, not money, not looks....


:rolleyes:

Well for short term women probably do care about looks a lot, but for long term ? Looks are not as important as personality.

Money DOES not make people happy. Anyone who thinks it does is probably broke LOL.

Well and of course we all know taht women don't care at ALL about looks.. it's all about PERSONALITY with them, not money, not looks....


:rolleyes:

I think its very sweet to say "looks dont matter" and maybe to a small percentage of people they dont. For the most part I think people have to be at least somewhat physically attracted to their prospective mate, no matter how great their personality is.

From seeing the creatures some guys will go home from the bar, neither looks nor personality matter when its just a hook up. :barf:

Well for short term women probably do care about looks a lot, but for long term ? Looks are not as important as personality.

Money DOES not make people happy. Anyone who thinks it does is probably broke LOL.

Easy to say isn't it?

Keep saying it. Maybe it'll come true.

I've known absolutely ZERO women who prove your stement once it comes down to an acid test. Just like men, the first impression is made by appearance. Once that first impression is made, it is hard to erase, ESPECIALLY with women.

Just saying. :shrug:

Well for short term women probably do care about looks a lot, but for long term ? Looks are not as important as personality.

Money DOES not make people happy. Anyone who thinks it does is probably broke LOL.

Money makes me happy...the more I have the happier I am...

I've actually met men I thought were initially attractive, but as I got to know them they became less attractive to me due to their personality. I am SURE that the opposite is also true in general, as I've had the reverse happen also.

Easy to say isn't it?

Keep saying it. Maybe it'll come true.

I've known absolutely ZERO women who prove your stement once it comes down to an acid test. Just like men, the first impression is made by appearance. Once that first impression is made, it is hard to erase, ESPECIALLY with women.

Just saying. :shrug:

I've actually met men I thought were initially attractive, but as I got to know them they became less attractive to me due to their personality.

I have no doubt this is a true statement.

I have also dated women who I thought were hotter than all get out - but after a couple of weeks - when I realized that vacuous exterior was not just an exterior - that awesome body and pretty face don't seem so awesome and pretty any more.


I am SURE that the opposite is also true in general, as I've had the reverse happen also.

I'm sure it's not true in general. If at all. (There may be certain instances where this has happened, but I'd bet it's not many, and I'd bet there's almost ALWAYS a physical transformation that takes place somewhere in there).


Did you ever have a guy you liked "just as a friend"?

You know the guy - he's the guy you found phyisically repulsive (or at least not attractive enough to want him in you), but he was such a sweet and nice guy and you'll love him forever... you just don't love him that way, and you don't want to ruin a great friendship by getting closer to him.

Did you EVER suddenly find yourself attracted to him?



Thought not.

I've actually met men I thought were initially attractive, but as I got to know them they became less attractive to me due to their personality. I am SURE that the opposite is also true in general, as I've had the reverse happen also.

Completely Agree!

I have no doubt this is a true statement.

I have also dated women who I thought were hotter than all get out - but after a couple of weeks - when I realized that vacuous exterior was not just an exterior - that awesome body and pretty face don't seem so awesome and pretty any more.




I'm sure it's not true in general. If at all. (There may be certain instances where this has happened, but I'd bet it's not many, and I'd bet there's almost ALWAYS a physical transformation that takes place somewhere in there).


Did you ever have a guy you liked "just as a friend"?

You know the guy - he's the guy you found phyisically repulsive (or at least not attractive enough to want him in you), but he was such a sweet and nice guy and you'll love him forever... you just don't love him that way, and you don't want to ruin a great friendship by getting closer to him.

Did you EVER suddenly find yourself attracted to him?



Thought not.
When I was younger I met a guy who looked just like Alfred E Neuman, not attractive at all. He thought I was cute so he would bug me and as I got to know him I just thought he was awesome. He became attractive to me, even though my friends and others would comment on how ugly he was. I didn't give a damn because I loved him :shrug:

I've actually met men I thought were initially attractive, but as I got to know them they became less attractive to me due to their personality. I am SURE that the opposite is also true in general, as I've had the reverse happen also.

Oh sure, people can grow on you. Fact that you say 'attractive' says it all though. Nobody ever made love to a personality. If your juices don't get flowing, you ain't a-goin', and guess what, that takes at least some level of physical attraction.

:shrug:

It's a simple fact. Different peole have different standards, different ideas on what is hot and what is not, but whatever 'it' is, it had better be there or nothing else will be. Anyone who says they don't care about looks is a liar.

When I was younger I met a guy who looked just like Alfred E Neuman, not attractive at all. He thought I was cute so he would bug me and as I got to know him I just thought he was awesome. He became attractive to me, even though my friends and others would comment on how ugly he was. I didn't give a damn because I loved him :shrug:

Attractive. You learned to like him physically over time. If he REPULSED you physically, wouldn't matter HOW nice he was, would it?

Now, did you actually date and mate, and did you enjoy or choke back your bile and put up with his ugliness just because, etc? or was this just a cute story that didn't go anywhere, because to count, it's gotta go somewhere. :shrug:

Attractive. You learned to like him physically over time. If he REPULSED you physically, wouldn't matter HOW nice he was, would it?

Now, did you actually date and mate, and did you enjoy or choke back your bile and put up with his ugliness just because, etc? or was this just a cute story that didn't go anywhere, because to count, it's gotta go somewhere. :shrug:

I dated him for a while. I didn't have to choke back my bile because by the time I was on it I thought he was beautiful. When I looked at him I thought he was the cutest thing ever but when I first met him and looked at him I was like WTF? It wasn't about how nice he was, it was his personality...getting to know him changed the way he looked.
I'm not saying that looks don't matter because looks do matter to me very much, just with him he started to look different to me than he did when I first met him. Just like when people say size doesn't matter, that's crazy talk.

OK let's revistit the OP. Men shopping for chicks, basically. Now you women who like to be all self righteous about 'looks don't matter', remember, SHOPPING. NONE of yuo have ever gone out looking for a mate, and 'looked' for personality... because you CAN'T.

Let me be blunt and risk the firestorm that will probably accompany, but seems to me that when I hear 'looks don't matter' it usually comes from a woman who assumes the guy she wants doesn't want her because of physical appearance... and often they would be correct in that assumption... but ironically the same women will spurn interested men based on similarly shallow precepts.

:shrug:

Claim it isn't true all you want, but EVERY person I know has standards of physical 'beauty' that must be met first. Can those change? Sure, over time. But then, you aren't talking about 'shopping' any more, are you?

I dated him for a while. I didn't have to choke back my bile because by the time I was on it I thought he was beautiful. When I looked at him I thought he was the cutest thing ever but when I first met him and looked at him I was like WTF? It wasn't about how nice he was, it was his personality...getting to know him changed the way he looked.
I'm not saying that looks don't matter because looks do matter to me very much, just with him he started to look different to me than he did when I first met him. Just like when people say size doesn't matter, that's crazy talk.

But when you first met him...

See, that is what we are talking about anyway. Had you been on a 'manhunt' you wouldn't have even considered it. :shrug: That's the point.

when I hear 'looks don't matter' it usually comes from a woman who assumes the guy she wants doesn't want her because of physical appearance... and often they would be correct in that assumption... but ironically the same women will spurn interested men based on similarly shallow precepts.




Oh, no he dih-in't.



That.

Just.

Happened.


:faint:


:cds:


:jameo:

Money makes me happy...the more I have the happier I am...

Have you ever seen someone riding a jet ski with a frown on their face?

When I was younger I met a guy who looked just like Alfred E Neuman, not attractive at all. He thought I was cute so he would bug me and as I got to know him I just thought he was awesome. He became attractive to me, even though my friends and others would comment on how ugly he was. I didn't give a damn because I loved him :shrug:

You screwed Alfred E. Newman? :twitch:

Have you ever seen someone riding a jet ski with a frown on their face?

I saw that this weekend....Tosh right? He'll be here in November, gotta go see that...:killingme

I saw that this weekend....Tosh right? He'll be here in November, gotta go see that...:killingme

Yeah, I think so. I heard it on Sirius Raw Dog Comedy a while back and it stuck.

Well yes SIZE does matter to women AND to men. Men can SEE what a woman has, and determine if he's interested easily, but for a woman? She has no clue until it's too late.

I dated him for a while. I didn't have to choke back my bile because by the time I was on it I thought he was beautiful. When I looked at him I thought he was the cutest thing ever but when I first met him and looked at him I was like WTF? It wasn't about how nice he was, it was his personality...getting to know him changed the way he looked.
I'm not saying that looks don't matter because looks do matter to me very much, just with him he started to look different to me than he did when I first met him. Just like when people say size doesn't matter, that's crazy talk.

Well yes SIZE does matter to women AND to men. Men can SEE what a woman has, and determine if he's interested easily, but for a women? She has no clue until it's too late.

You could just ask to inspect his goods right off the bat :shrug:

That doesn't sound like an appropriate way to handle the situation.

You could just ask to inspect his goods right off the bat :shrug:

Men can SEE what a woman has, and determine if he's interested easily

:yeahthat: It's not like women wear padded/push up bras, or fake eyelashes or dye their hair different colors

ok a padded/push up bra can be deceiving as to size, but the latter 2 items have nothing to do with size. Like men don't use "Just For Men" hair color?

Or use inflation devices that are not disclosed? I actually KNOW a lady who was married to a guy for many years (dated him many years before marriage) and never knew he had an "implant" until it BROKE "during" - yikes! OUCH?

:yeahthat: It's not like women wear padded/push up bras, or fake eyelashes or dye their hair different colors

ok a padded/push up bra can be deceiving as to size, but the latter 2 items have nothing to do with size. Like men don't use "Just For Men" hair color?

Or use inflation devices that are not disclosed? I actually KNOW a lady who was married to a guy for many years (dated him many years before marriage) and never knew he had an "implant" until it BROKE "during" - yikes! OUCH?

Maybe I'll get a silicon sausage implant... Hmmmm,....

oh my - not sure you need a bionic partner like that LOL - you'd never get to work ....

Maybe I'll get a silicon sausage implant... Hmmmm,....

Men who look for "face first" are prob'ly looking for "Ms. Right."
Those that seek out the 'hot bods' are prob'ly looking for "Ms. Right NOW."
Tell me I'm wrong....:shrug:

Fellas, let me pose THIS question: what do YOU notice FIRST about a woman? Eyes? Legs? etc.?

I remember Carson years ago. A "well-endowed blonde in a low-cut short dress was one of his guests. I can't remember who she was.....ANYWAY.....she tells Johnny something like, "I have a way of telling what guys are looking at when they meet me." She then asks Johnny to close his eyes. She asks him, 'what color are my eyes?' No answer. CLASSIC!!

Invoked endless guffaw's from Ed.

Or use inflation devices that are not disclosed? I actually KNOW a lady who was married to a guy for many years (dated him many years before marriage) and never knew he had an "implant" until it BROKE "during" - yikes! OUCH?

She never wondered why she had to blow instead of suck?

You screwed Alfred E. Newman? :twitch:

he looked just like him!
You can't really tell but he has red hair and his front tooth is chipped, just like alfred e neuman. I can't help but think about him whenever I read a Mad magazine.

Well and of course we all know taht women don't care at ALL about looks.. it's all about PERSONALITY with them, not money, not looks....

Don't be ridiculous. How many times have you seen some hot babe hooked up with a dumpy looking guy? ALL the time. But you almost never see a really hot guy with some dumpy woman on his arm. Unless he's black and she's white - what's up with that?

Anyway, women aren't as attracted to looks as men are. Which is good because women are better looking anyway.

Nobody ever made love to a personality.

That is completely not true.

Don't be ridiculous. How many times have you seen some hot babe hooked up with a dumpy looking guy? ALL the time. But you almost never see a really hot guy with some dumpy woman on his arm. Unless he's black and she's white - what's up with that?

Anyway, women aren't as attracted to looks as men are. Which is good because women are better looking anyway.

Can't argue with you there!:buddies:

You could just ask to inspect his goods right off the bat :shrug:

That would be a great pickup line. :yay:

he looked just like him!
You can't really tell but he has red hair and his front tooth is chipped, just like alfred e neuman. I can't help but think about him whenever I read a Mad magazine.

Could you post your pic please?

Really now? mayb u just haven`t looked in the rite places. was gonna say lately. or.......hhhmmm??? kinda outta the loop r ya?
u r so good @ prejudgin, betcha i culd change yr mind. w/o a doubt.
howeva, i doubt u could handle it. is that a prejudgment stmt? u tend 2 shy away from answerin me, that is............if u so dare.
whoa, now that`s bein Bold. nah, just candid. just smile it won`t hurt. ;-)

I respect ya, & u know it. many hate my posts, but mine always have a message within.

...

Don't be ridiculous. How many times have you seen some hot babe hooked up with a dumpy looking guy? ALL the time. But you almost never see a really hot guy with some dumpy woman on his arm. Unless he's black and she's white - what's up with that?

Anyway, women aren't as attracted to looks as men are. Which is good because women are better looking anyway.

I have seen it.

more than justa way with words. oh yeah. much better @ listenin than u may think.

... gay. :lol:

more than justa way with words. oh yeah. much better @ listenin than u may think.

This shtick is so worn out.

Could you post your pic please?

Umm. No. why would I do that?

Don't be ridiculous. How many times have you seen some hot babe hooked up with a dumpy looking guy? ALL the time. But you almost never see a really hot guy with some dumpy woman on his arm. Unless he's black and she's white - what's up with that?

Anyway, women aren't as attracted to looks as men are. Which is good because women are better looking anyway.

The reason you see hot babes with guys YOU consider dumpy is A)because you are not that hot babe, so your tastes are different and about 20 years or more out of date, and B) the guys you consider 'hot' are likely stuck on themselves, and thus terrified of rejection by default, so they go for the girls hot enough to be acceptable to their friends but normal enough to likely not turn them down.

Frugly guys ain't got nothing to loose. :lmao: Dollar to donuts says they had known those girls for some time before the first date, too.

So, how many frugly men have you spotted at the bar or grocery store and wanted to take home because they were 'nice'? Give me a break. I know a lot of guys who married women they wouldn't have 'picked up'. They got to know 'em. This isn't about that, it's about 'shopping', and women are just as big on looks as men when it comes to actively looking. You all don't hook up with men that are 'ugh' at first in a bar or whatever any more than men hook up with women whose physical appearance is 'ugh' to them.

What you all do is biatch about men being so shallow when you all are attracted to a guy who disses you. Rather than get your butt in gear and purty up, you take the low road and make statements like "how shallow, looks aren't important", or some such other nonsense, and get all butt hurt. Then you run around mocking any man who doesn't meet your standards when they approach you. Women shoot down men all the time who approach them based on anything from how they dress to what cologne they are wearing and what car they drive.

Go out to the bar and hook up with the first short fat ugly smelly Ford Fiesta driving but nice guy you run into, and prove me wrong.

That is completely not true.

Maybe not always, but it is on a one night stand with a stranger!

The reason you see hot babes with guys YOU consider dumpy is A)because you are not that hot babe, so your tastes are different and about 20 years or more out of date, and B) the guys you consider 'hot' are likely stuck on themselves, and thus terrified of rejection by default, so they go for the girls hot enough to be acceptable to their friends but normal enough to likely not turn them down.

Frugly guys ain't got nothing to loose. :lmao: Dollar to donuts says they had known those girls for some time before the first date, too.

So, how many frugly men have you spotted at the bar or grocery store and wanted to take home because they were 'nice'? Give me a break. I know a lot of guys who married women they wouldn't have 'picked up'. They got to know 'em. This isn't about that, it's about 'shopping', and women are just as big on looks as men when it comes to actively looking. You all don't hook up with men that are 'ugh' at first in a bar or whatever any more than men hook up with women whose physical appearance is 'ugh' to them.

What you all do is biatch about men being so shallow when you all are attracted to a guy who disses you. Rather than get your butt in gear and purty up, you take the low road and make statements like "how shallow, looks aren't important", or some such other nonsense, and get all butt hurt. Then you run around mocking any man who doesn't meet your standards when they approach you. Women shoot down men all the time who approach them based on anything from how they dress to what cologne they are wearing and what car they drive.

Go out to the bar and hook up with the first short fat ugly smelly Ford Fiesta driving but nice guy you run into, and prove me wrong.

Uh....yeah.

You either live a weird life, hang out with weird people, or watch too much TV. Or you just simply have mental issues and have decided to take them out on me.

Either way, go #### yourself.

Oh goodness...

You completely CAN make love to someones personality

I have become physically attracted to a guy after thinking he was funky looking at first

When ANYONE, male or female, first meets a person, looks count. But the importance of looks diminishes as your relationship with a person continues.

Womens are hotter than mens. Period.

IDK about yall, but money dosnt make me happy. But it sure does pay for all the crap that does! :lmao:

Did I miss anything???

Oh goodness...

You completely CAN make love to someones personality

I have become physically attracted to a guy after thinking he was funky looking at first

When ANYONE, male or female, first meets a person, looks count. But the importance of looks diminishes as your relationship with a person continues.

Womens are hotter than mens. Period.

IDK about yall, but money dosnt make me happy. But it sure does pay for all the crap that does! :lmao:

Did I miss anything???

:yay:

Hmm I think Turbo is exhibiting to us via his responses just how SHALLOW he can be? Hmm.

That is completely not true.

Oh goodness...

You completely CAN make love to someones personality

I have become physically attracted to a guy after thinking he was funky looking at first

When ANYONE, male or female, first meets a person, looks count. But the importance of looks diminishes as your relationship with a person continues.

Womens are hotter than mens. Period.

IDK about yall, but money dosnt make me happy. But it sure does pay for all the crap that does! :lmao:

Did I miss anything???

Yes, you did. They aren't talking about falling for someone you have gotten to know.

They are talking about when actively looking, when you walk into a room say, and you scout the room for a potential mate, you are not looking around going 'ding' there is a really sweet honest guy who cares if he has bad teeth and a combover! No, you evaluate the men on appearance, whether it is raw looks, how he dresses, etc. JUST like men evaluate women in the same situation.

This self-righteous mumbo jumbo about how looks don't matter is a load of crap in that case, and ya'all know it. I hear women mock men on their appearance all the time, hell, they mock each other!! Sure, if you get to KNOW someone they can grow on you, and that holds true for both men AND women. But, that wasn't what the OP's article was talking about.

Uh....yeah.

You either live a weird life, hang out with weird people, or watch too much TV. Or you just simply have mental issues and have decided to take them out on me.

Either way, go #### yourself.

Yeah I have mental issues, and I'm taking it out on YOU?? :roflmao:

Nice.

No wierd life. I just have ears.

Again, they aren't talking about men who are taking their time, maybe suddenly discover they have feelings for someone over time... They are talking about men going out, looking, say on a Saturday night. You talk like you go out looking to meet a guy and you brush right past physical appearance. I'm simply raising my :bs: flag, because we all know that when you are out on a 'manhunt' you aren't walking into the room and seeing personality. So yeah, :bs:.

Hmm I think Turbo is exhibiting to us via his responses just how SHALLOW he can be? Hmm.

How about 'honest'? Would you rather I made up a bunch of crap to show you how sensitive and virtuos I can be? I can do that. I just don't like lying. :roflmao:

Best stuff happens..when you ain't lookin'.......for both parties...:yay:

Best stuff happens..when you ain't lookin'.......for both parties...:yay:

THAT, I can agree with.

For what it is worth, I can honestly say I have never 'met' a woman in a bar or a club. Every lover I have ever had started out as a friend first. :yay:

The sad part about picking people by LOOKS alone? You usually discover from talking to them (unless you are shallow or a a one-night-stand-type and therefore don't care) that you wouldn't want to be intimate with them after all. So basically our 1st instinct about what we think we are attracted to physically? Isn't usually what we end up with. And since most women don't JUST meet a person and jump in bed with them ..... the women end up getting to know the men first, so they DO get the opportunity for his personality to turn them on or off.

For most men sex = sex. For most women? Sex = sex plus his personality.

Yes, you did. They aren't talking about falling for someone you have gotten to know.

They are talking about when actively looking, when you walk into a room say, and you scout the room for a potential mate, you are not looking around going 'ding' there is a really sweet honest guy who cares if he has bad teeth and a combover! No, you evaluate the men on appearance, whether it is raw looks, how he dresses, etc. JUST like men evaluate women in the same situation.

This self-righteous mumbo jumbo about how looks don't matter is a load of crap in that case, and ya'all know it. I hear women mock men on their appearance all the time. Sure, if you get to KNOW someone they can grow on you, and that holds true for both men AND women. But, that wasn't what the OP's article was talking about.

The sad part about picking people by LOOKS alone? You usually discover from talking to them (unless you are shallow or a a one-night-stand-type and therefore don't care) that you wouldn't want to be intimate with them after all. So basically our 1st instinct about what we think we are attracted to physically? Isn't usually what we end up with. And since most women don't JUST meet a person and jump in bed with them ..... the women end up getting to know the men first, so they DO get the opportunity for his personality to turn them on or off.

For most men sex = sex. For most women? Sex = sex plus his personality.

I'm confused....I thought this was a 1 night stand situation....not a relationship thing....

Right which shows your interest is purely on a sexual level - no concern for whether the hot chick is a serial killer or a child abuser ..... who cares about THAT petty stuff when all you want to do is .. do her.

How about 'honest'? Would you rather I made up a bunch of crap to show you how sensitive and virtuos I can be? I can do that. I just don't like lying. :roflmao:

:shutup: :war:

I'm confused....I thought this was a 1 night stand situation....not a relationship thing....

The sad part about picking people by LOOKS alone? You usually discover from talking to them (unless you are shallow or a a one-night-stand-type and therefore don't care) that you wouldn't want to be intimate with them after all. So basically our 1st instinct about what we think we are attracted to physically? Isn't usually what we end up with. And since most women don't JUST meet a person and jump in bed with them ..... the women end up getting to know the men first, so they DO get the opportunity for his personality to turn them on or off.

For most men sex = sex. For most women? Sex = sex plus his personality.

and ripping his heart out when he gets too close..Women are far more nasty in this category and don't really know men.......they just think they do.

I'm confused....I thought this was a 1 night stand situation....not a relationship thing....

Not necessarily a one night stand, but how men 'pick' a potential mate.

What all the people here seem to be missing is we all do pretty much the same thing. When you hang with Fat Joe or Big Eared Betty or Stinky Larry for months as buddies, and they grow on you, and eventually you develop a long, lasting, loving relationship, that is not a 'picked' mate. That is one that snuck up on you. To try to apply that as some sort of symbol that you don't consider looks important is :bs:.

Right which shows your interest is purely on a sexual level - no concern for whether the hot chick is a serial killer or a child abuser ..... who cares about THAT petty stuff when all you want to do is .. do her.

And that is EXACTLY what the article is referring too. That initial 'pick up'. Why did you post that article if you were going to turn it into something else?

Both men and women do exactly what you describe all the time anyway. I think it's hysterical that women try to put it all on men... if they are going home with someone, than that woman is doing the same dang thing, isn't she?

Takes two to do the horizontal mambo. :yay:

And that is EXACTLY what the article is referring too. That initial 'pick up'. Why did you post that article if you were going to turn it into something else?

Both men and women do exactly what you describe all the time anyway. I think it's hysterical that women try to put it all on men... if they are going home with someone, than that woman is doing the same dang thing, isn't she?

Takes two to do the horizontal mambo. :yay:

women hook up just as much as guys do if not more....they control the booty...they are just better at keeping it on the down low....

women hook up just as much as guys do if not more....they control the booty...they are just better at keeping it on the down low....

:yay:

I think I will open up two stores, one where men can purchase a lady and one where ladies can purchase a men. Their will be an ugly section, fine section, fat section, skinny section and a free section because no body is going to want that. Pay by the hour, weeks, days, months, minutes. There will be a special section in the mens store for ladies who like extra long muscle and for ladies store for men who like 38c and up.

I think I will open up two stores, one where men can purchase a lady and one where ladies can purchase a men. Their will be an ugly section, fine section, fat section, skinny section and a free section because no body is going to want that. Pay by the hour, weeks, days, months, minutes. There will be a special section in the mens store for ladies who like extra long muscle and for ladies store for men who like 38c and up.

it's called the red light district in Amsterdam bro..:buddies:

Yes, you did. They aren't talking about falling for someone you have gotten to know.

They are talking about when actively looking, when you walk into a room say, and you scout the room for a potential mate, you are not looking around going 'ding' there is a really sweet honest guy who cares if he has bad teeth and a combover! No, you evaluate the men on appearance, whether it is raw looks, how he dresses, etc. JUST like men evaluate women in the same situation.

:banghead:

Turbo. That’s kind of what this part covered:

When ANYONE, male or female, first meets a person, looks count. But the importance of looks diminishes as your relationship with a person continues.

I didn’t miss anything :duh:

and ripping his heart out when he gets too close..Women are far more nasty in this category and don't really know men.......they just think they do.

Oh puhleese. Lets not open that can of worms

I think I will open up two stores, one where men can purchase a lady and one where ladies can purchase a men. Their will be an ugly section, fine section, fat section, skinny section and a free section because no body is going to want that. Pay by the hour, weeks, days, months, minutes. There will be a special section in the mens store for ladies who like extra long muscle and for ladies store for men who like 38c and up.

Where's the ass dept. ?

The fast men are taking home the same group of fast women (over and over), the rest of us are not that fast ...... I guess it's good that men don't mind sharing the fast women ....

and the article was juts a jumping off point so we could discuss relationships again - duh - it all comes back to that you know? :smoochy:

And that is EXACTLY what the article is referring too. That initial 'pick up'. Why did you post that article if you were going to turn it into something else?

Both men and women do exactly what you describe all the time anyway. I think it's hysterical that women try to put it all on men... if they are going home with someone, than that woman is doing the same dang thing, isn't she?

Takes two to do the horizontal mambo. :yay:

You'd have a very popular store ..... :jerry:

I think I will open up two stores, one where men can purchase a lady and one where ladies can purchase a men. Their will be an ugly section, fine section, fat section, skinny section and a free section because no body is going to want that. Pay by the hour, weeks, days, months, minutes. There will be a special section in the mens store for ladies who like extra long muscle and for ladies store for men who like 38c and up.

The fast men are taking home the same group of fast women (over and over), the rest of us are not that fast ...... I guess it's good that men don't mind sharing the fast women ....

and the article was juts a jumping off point so we could discuss relationships again - duh - it all comes back to that you know? :smoochy:

annnnd on that note....back to the alien thread..haha

The fast men are taking home the same group of fast women (over and over), the rest of us are not that fast ...... I guess it's good that men don't mind sharing the fast women ....

and the article was juts a jumping off point so we could discuss relationships again - duh - it all comes back to that you know? :smoochy:

:gossip: I've never taken a woman home from a bar.

Guess what. It's the same group of fast men too. See? I'M supposedly the one with mental issues, :roflmao: but here you are cracking on ALL men, based on the actions of a few. Yet, you defend the women, who are doing the EXACT. SAME. THING. :bs:

NICE!

Where's the ass dept. ?

Oh yea one of the most important sections :killingme silly me.

The club/bar process is when a man enters the establishment he looks for the hottest and finest chick first. Like InMarch for example:drool: If we see we don't have a chance with that we step it down to next lower notch, and so on and so on. But if you get to the bottom of the barrel you have a choice take it home or get your hand lotion out when you get home.

I am NOT the one who said you had mental issues ... but do you? :jerry:

I said "fast men" not ALL men - see how you twist things to suit yourself? Now I say this - get to your local bar and see what's available ... LOL I've never met anyone at a bar either that I've been "fast" with - so there :razz:

:gossip: I've never taken a woman home from a bar.

Guess what. It's the same group of fast men too. See? I'M supposedly the one with mental issues, :roflmao: but here you are cracking on ALL men, based on the actions of a few. Yet, you defend the women, who are doing the EXACT. SAME. THING. :bs:

NICE!

Umm. No. why would I do that?

So I can make a judgement about which one of you stooped. :shrug:

So I can make a judgement about which one of you stooped. :shrug:

:lol:

Fellas, let me pose THIS question: what do YOU notice FIRST about a woman? Eyes? Legs? etc.?


I hate that question.


What I notice about a woman first has nothing to do with how much of a perv or a gentleman I am... or even what my proclivities are. What I notice first has a lot to do with the woman's placement and orientation in relation to me, and what she's wearing.

For instance, if I'm in a store, and a woman comes up behind me and asks if I can reach the detergent on the top shelf, the first thing I notice is the color of her hair. Why? Because she's probably way shorter than I am, and as I turn around, the top of her head is the part that will be most visible to me.

If I'm at the beach, and I'm facing the surf, and a woman walks by, I'm probably going to notice her legs and butt first. That is the part that is most visible to me.


Through no fault of my own, neither of these situations allow me to notice a woman's eyes first.

Where's the ass dept. ?

I hate that question.


What I notice about a woman first has nothing to do with how much of a perv or a gentleman I am... or even what my proclivities are. What I notice first has a lot to do with the woman's placement and orientation in relation to me, and what she's wearing.

For instance, if I'm in a store, and a woman comes up behind me and asks if I can reach the detergent on the top shelf, the first thing I notice is the color of her hair. Why? Because she's probably way shorter than I am, and as I turn around, the top of her head is the part that will be most visible to me.

If I'm at the beach, and I'm facing the surf, and a woman walks by, I'm probably going to notice her legs and butt first. That is the part that is most visible to me.


Through no fault of my own, neither of these situations allow me to notice a woman's eyes first.

Butt or breast and curves, what ever is available to view first. It favors to walk past a lady because you can see her breast size first and if no one is looking you can turn your head and check her butt out too. We can just say B and B process for short

Oh yea one of the most important sections :killingme silly me.

The club/bar process is when a man enters the establishment he looks for the hottest and finest chick first. Like InMarch for example:drool: If we see we don't have a chance with that we step it down to next lower notch, and so on and so on. But if you get to the bottom of the barrel you have a choice take it home or get your hand lotion out when you get home.

I don't do bars...........but have done a few on them.

:buddies:

Through no fault of my own, neither of these situations allow me to notice a woman's eyes first.

Pig. You're supposed to be wondering if she has a great personality or not.

Seriously, though, many men who have a hard time scoring with women think it's because they aren't Biff Malibu with good looks and a smokin' bod. That's typically not true - typically it's because they're an azzhole who doesn't know how to act in public or how to treat women.

There are tons of men who aren't all that in the looks dept., yet they score with the honeys with no problem. I can name two that I know personally right off the top of my head. And since typing that, I thought of three or four more.

So if women are dissing you, guess what, buddy? It's not your looks or body that are the problem.

you are not looking around going 'ding' there is a really sweet honest guy who cares if he has bad teeth and a combover!



Y'know.... I have heard more women giggling and laughing at a dude with bad teeth and a combover than I've seen reaching for his junk.



This self-righteous mumbo jumbo about how looks don't matter is a load of crap in that case, and ya'all know it.

Well, I think the conclusion is: Looks do matter... but bad looks are not insurmountable if a guy has personality.



I hear women mock men on their appearance all the time, hell, they mock each other!!

This is true. Chicks can be vicious.

Pig. You're supposed to be wondering if she has a great personality or not.

Seriously, though, many men who have a hard time scoring with women think it's because they aren't Biff Malibu with good looks and a smokin' bod. That's typically not true - typically it's because they're an azzhole who doesn't know how to act in public or how to treat women.

There are tons of men who aren't all that in the looks dept., yet they score with the honeys with no problem. I can name two that I know personally right off the top of my head. And since typing that, I thought of three or four more.

So if women are dissing you, guess what, buddy? It's not your looks or body that are the problem.

Guess it's my cooking....:bawl:

:lol:

Pig. You're supposed to be wondering if she has a great personality or not.

Seriously, though, many men who have a hard time scoring with women think it's because they aren't Biff Malibu with good looks and a smokin' bod. That's typically not true - typically it's because they're an azzhole who doesn't know how to act in public or how to treat women.

There are tons of men who aren't all that in the looks dept., yet they score with the honeys with no problem. I can name two that I know personally right off the top of my head. And since typing that, I thought of three or four more.

So if women are dissing you, guess what, buddy? It's not your looks or body that are the problem.

Look men don't give a dam about a ladies personality at first, lets keep this real.

Pig. You're supposed to be wondering if she has a great personality or not.

Well, of course I do that.

My thought process goes like this:



"Tox..." (I call myself Tox) "Tox... those are the smoothest most delicious looking legs I've ever seen. The curve of those calves and thighs can take down nations, if put to proper use. HOLY ####, I hope she's funny, and punctual."


That's typically not true - typically it's because they're an azzhole who doesn't know how to act in public or how to treat women.

I have to disagree here. In my experience, A-Holes typically don't have problems meeting women and getting dates, regardless of their looks. I've known handsome a-holes, and I've known ugly ones. Neither seem to have problems hooking up.


The only guys I know of who have real problems meeting and dating women are the men who lack an air of confidence and social grace. By social grace, I don't mean they know exactly which wine goes with the entree, or a keenly developed appreciation for opera. I mean someone who can at least carry their half of a conversation, someone who knows when jokes are appropriate (and more importantly when they are inappropriate), and someone who can speak intelligently on at least 1 subject.


Being in the field of Engineering, I run into more than my fair share of shy-guys who are deathly terrified of approaching women - and whenever there are women, say, in meetings, they are visibily tense, and cannot converse. (Luckily, there aren't many women in engineering, or we'd never get any work done)

Anyway - those are the guys who don't have girlfriends... And many of them are not ugly.

Look men don't give a dam about a ladies personality at first, lets keep this real.

Not on a pick-up hunt, no, but apparently this thread was posted with the intention taht it morph magically into a discussion on legitimate, long term relationships? Arkie? Yes? No? Don't like the tune, change the music? :roflmao:

Pig. You're supposed to be wondering if she has a great personality or not.

Seriously, though, many men who have a hard time scoring with women think it's because they aren't Biff Malibu with good looks and a smokin' bod. That's typically not true - typically it's because they're an azzhole who doesn't know how to act in public or how to treat women.

There are tons of men who aren't all that in the looks dept., yet they score with the honeys with no problem. I can name two that I know personally right off the top of my head. And since typing that, I thought of three or four more.

So if women are dissing you, guess what, buddy? It's not your looks or body that are the problem.

Now turn that around. That's what I was saying. :shrug: especially the 'think it's because you aren't Biff (Stacy) Malibu.'

I said it more caustically because I'm building up my fan club and didn't want to dissapoint anyone. :lmao:

I have to disagree here. In my experience, A-Holes typically don't have problems meeting women and getting dates, regardless of their looks. I've known handsome a-holes, and I've known ugly ones. Neither seem to have problems hooking up.


The only guys I know of who have real problems meeting and dating women are the men who lack an air of confidence and social grace. By social grace, I don't mean they know exactly which wine goes with the entree, or a keenly developed appreciation for opera. I mean someone who can at least carry their half of a conversation, someone who knows when jokes are appropriate (and more importantly when they are inappropriate), and someone who can speak intelligently on at least 1 subject.


Being in the field of Engineering, I run into more than my fair share of shy-guys who are deathly terrified of approaching women - and whenever there are women, say, in meetings, they are visibily tense, and cannot converse. (Luckily, there aren't many women in engineering, or we'd never get any work done)

Anyway - those are the guys who don't have girlfriends... And many of them are not ugly.

Completely agree :yay:

Now, if you're some behemoth with extreme body odor and greasy hair, no, you will not attract a lot of female attention regardless of how smart, funny or charming you are. But if you are an average, or even slightly below average, looking guy who knows how to be attentive and make a woman feel good about herself - man, you might as well not even zip your fly because it's just going to come right straight back down.

I don't know how it works these days because I've been out of the singles scene for awhile. But it used to be that you actually talked to someone before you jumped into bed with them. You didn't just scout around, grab the best looking guy and take him home with you right then and there. I don't know any woman who has ever just nabbed some stranger at the grocery store and taken him home for sex, as Turbo indicates is routine mating behavior.

Completely agree :yay:

Now, if you're some behemoth with extreme body odor and greasy hair, no, you will not attract a lot of female attention regardless of how smart, funny or charming you are. But if you are an average, or even slightly below average, looking guy who knows how to be attentive and make a woman feel good about herself - man, you might as well not even zip your fly because it's just going to come right straight back down.

I don't know how it works these days because I've been out of the singles scene for awhile. But it used to be that you actually talked to someone before you jumped into bed with them. You didn't just scout around, grab the best looking guy and take him home with you right then and there. I don't know any woman who has ever just nabbed some stranger at the grocery store and taken him home for sex, as Turbo indicates is routine mating behavior.

Oh yes. Routine. Yup I said that.

:roflmao:

Only for you Vrai, you man-hunting-slut you. :yay:

Only for you Vrai, you man-hunting-slut you. :yay:

Okay, there's probably a good reason why you're calling me a slut - care to explain what it is?

Okay, there's probably a good reason why you're calling me a slut - care to explain what it is?

:gossip: Because I have mental issues, remember? And since I've been told to go **** myself, I figure, well....

:roflmao:

Hey Tox:

Oh my really? See we KNEW you men thought this way !!! :popcorn:

I totally agree with you about self-confidence - it's makes a WORLD of difference. Just last week a guy (who I will say was one of the most unattractive guys I've ever seen (uh oh here we go Turbo)) had an air of confidence about him and he didn't think ANY woman was unapproachable? and I guess he tries just to see what will happen?

Well I wasn't interested at all. So he says to me - "when you loosen up give me a call". Like me being loose is going to help him ? Not! Some people expect you to go along with them and if you don't you're stuck-up?

I agree that I tend to be attracted to the self-confident types (but NOT that guy and it wasn't just his looks). There are a LOT of shy guys out there that would be great mates for someone. Unfortunately the shy types tend to be that way about all parts of their relationship, so are not as easy to have a relationship with as you continually have to encourage them to get out of their comfort zone.

You know what they say about engineers Tox?

Well, of course I do that.

My thought process goes like this:



"Tox..." (I call myself Tox) "Tox... those are the smoothest most delicious looking legs I've ever seen. The curve of those calves and thighs can take down nations, if put to proper use. HOLY ####, I hope she's funny, and punctual."




I have to disagree here. In my experience, A-Holes typically don't have problems meeting women and getting dates, regardless of their looks. I've known handsome a-holes, and I've known ugly ones. Neither seem to have problems hooking up.


The only guys I know of who have real problems meeting and dating women are the men who lack an air of confidence and social grace. By social grace, I don't mean they know exactly which wine goes with the entree, or a keenly developed appreciation for opera. I mean someone who can at least carry their half of a conversation, someone who knows when jokes are appropriate (and more importantly when they are inappropriate), and someone who can speak intelligently on at least 1 subject.


Being in the field of Engineering, I run into more than my fair share of shy-guys who are deathly terrified of approaching women - and whenever there are women, say, in meetings, they are visibily tense, and cannot converse. (Luckily, there aren't many women in engineering, or we'd never get any work done)

Anyway - those are the guys who don't have girlfriends... And many of them are not ugly.

Did you ever have a guy you liked "just as a friend"?

You know the guy - he's the guy you found phyisically repulsive (or at least not attractive enough to want him in you), but he was such a sweet and nice guy and you'll love him forever... you just don't love him that way, and you don't want to ruin a great friendship by getting closer to him.

Did you EVER suddenly find yourself attracted to him?



Thought not.
:cds:

NO!!! NOT THE FRIEND ZONE!!!!!!!

:cds:

You apparently want a butt whippin' :spank: I don't think it's possible to talk about it as JUST the initial attraction without going in-depth. I knew it would morph into more. Life is like that.

Not on a pick-up hunt, no, but apparently this thread was posted with the intention taht it morph magically into a discussion on legitimate, long term relationships? Arkie? Yes? No? Don't like the tune, change the music? :roflmao:

So I can make a judgement about which one of you stooped. :shrug:
lol how about no.

Hey Tox:


I totally agree with you about self-confidence - it's makes a WORLD of difference. Just last week a guy (who I will say was one of the most unattractive guys I've ever seen (uh oh here we go Turbo)) had an air of confidence about him and he didn't think ANY woman was unapproachable? and I guess he tries just to see what will happen?

Well I wasn't interested at all. So he says to me - "when you loosen up give me a call". Like me being loose is going to help him ? Not! Some people expect you to go along with them and if you don't you're stuck-up?


Why did you have to bring this up? I thought it was just between you and I!

:cds:

:shocking:

You're not doing much for your fan club with posts like this ...

Oh yes. Routine. Yup I said that.

:roflmao:

Only for you Vrai, you man-hunting-slut you. :yay:

lol how about no.

Are you and Alfred still an item? I only ask because I am somewhat unattractive.

I would rather go back to the cave man days, things were less simple. Did anyone see the old movie called "Clan of the Cave Bear" Daryl Hannah had to give up the butt, no questions asked, no talking, no getting to know each other. For some reason I am picturing me with a hot blonde like Vrail and ArkRescue. Then when we are done you go start a fire and skin me a rabbit for dinner.

I would rather go back to the cave man days, things were less simple. Did anyone see the old movie called "Clan of the Cave Bear" Daryl Hannah had to give up the butt, no questions asked, no talking, no getting to know each other. For some reason I am picturing me with a hot blonde like Vrail and ArkRescue. The when we are done you go start a fire and skin me a rabbit for dinner.
See?? I TOLD you guys!!! Feminists have ruined everything!

... a LOT of men have that fantasy about grabbing a women by her hair and taking her .... most don't mean it in a bad way, just more of role playing thing.

See?? I TOLD you guys!!! Feminists have ruined everything!

Hey Tox:

Oh my really? See we KNEW you men thought this way !!! :popcorn:


It's true.


I totally agree with you about self-confidence - it's makes a WORLD of difference. Just last week a guy (who I will say was one of the most unattractive guys I've ever seen (uh oh here we go Turbo)) had an air of confidence about him and he didn't think ANY woman was unapproachable? and I guess he tries just to see what will happen?

There's nothing wrong with that. Confidence (whether you think it's warranted or not) is a good thing. And there are no women who are unapproachable.

Why would a woman want to be regarded as unapproachable?


Well I wasn't interested at all. So he says to me - "when you loosen up give me a call".

This is not confidence.

This is arrogance.


Big difference.


There are a LOT of shy guys out there that would be great mates for someone. Unfortunately the shy types tend to be that way about all parts of their relationship

I wouldn't know. I never dated a shy man.

However, I've dated a few women who were shy. With the exception of one, they were all shy only until you got to know them. After a date or two, they'd talk your ear off and approach various activities with wild abandon.

The one exception I mentioned, she was very sweet and shy, and if we were on the phone or something, and I didn't talk, we'd sit there and listen to each other breathe. I rather think she wasn't "shy" so much as she was just quiet and reserved overall.



You know what they say about engineers Tox?

No, what?

... a LOT of men have that fantasy about grabbing a women by her hair and taking her .... most don't mean it in a bad way, just more of role playing thing.


Yeah. Plus chicks look hot in leapord skin from a leopard you skinned yourself!








With a garter and high heels.

DATING AND SOCIAL LIFE
Dating is never easy for engineers. A normal person will employ various indirect and duplicitous methods to create a false impression of attractiveness. Engineers are incapable of placing appearance above function.

Fortunately, engineers have an ace in the hole. They are widely recognized as superior marriage material: intelligent, dependable, employed, honest, and handy around the house. While it's true that many normal people would prefer not to date an engineer, most normal people harbor an intense desire to mate with them, thus producing engineer-like children who will have high-paying jobs long before losing their virginity.

Male engineers reach their peak of sexual attractiveness later than normal men, becoming irresistible erotic dynamos in their mid thirties to late forties. Just look at these examples of sexually irresistible men in technical professions:

* Bill Gates.
* MacGyver.
* Etcetera.

Female engineers become irresistible at the age of consent and remain that way until about thirty minutes after their clinical death. Longer if it's a warm day.


No, what?

... a LOT of men have that fantasy about grabbing a women by her hair and taking her .... most don't mean it in a bad way, just more of role playing thing.

Speaking from several experiences I take it.:getdown: You don't know the 1/2 of our fantansies :killingme

It could be detrimental to KNOW LOL

Speaking from several experiences I take it.:getdown: You don't know the 1/2 of our fantansies :killingme

You apparently want a butt whippin' :spank: I don't think it's possible to talk about it as JUST the initial attraction without going in-depth. I knew it would morph into more. Life is like that.

Why? Because then it becomes apparent that at least in the basest sense, everyone is 'shallow'? And as such, it removes any chance to primp and preen and be all idignant about how non-sperficial one is compared to the opposite sex?

:roflmao:

It could be detrimental to KNOW LOL

Do women fantasize about taking it from a man, inquiring minds want to know?

:shocking:

You're not doing much for your fan club with posts like this ...

Kind of my point... :1bdz:

I prefer blatant, raw, honesty over appearances any day of the week. :shrug:

Holy cow...11 pages of some very interesting and insightful reading. I miss so much when I'm on travel...:howdy:

I'm sure there are women who are that type that want to be in charge and be domineering. I'd expect them to be not hard to find if you are looking? There must be a website dedicated to match-making for those into that? You may even get a PM or two from the forum ... you never know ...


Do women fantasize about taking it from a man, inquiring minds want to know?

Kind of my point... :1bdz:

I prefer blatant, raw, honesty over appearances any day of the week. :shrug:



I prefer being lied to.

"No, honey - size doesn't matter."
"No, honey - men with really huge muscles are gross."
"No, honey - I love it when you 'tune in Tokyo' while we're doing it. It's not distracting at all."
"No, honey - even though size doesn't matter, you're really big down there!"
"No, honey - you look even better than the dude in the Old Spice commercial."
"No, honey - I only turn off the lights during, so as to enhance my tactile sensation"
"Yup. Four times. Seriously."

I'm sorry but a freshly skinned leopard skin is not my idea of sensual attire - now the high heels and the garter? Yeah Maybe ..... depends on how long I'd have to wear 'em.

Yeah. Plus chicks look hot in leapord skin from a leopard you skinned yourself!








With a garter and high heels.

I'm sorry but a freshly skinned leopard skin is not my idea of sensual attire

Freshly skinned leopard?

I wasn't talking about the leopard skin still being warm from the leopard, leaving bloody red smears on your body as you yank pieces of tendon off the tighter parts of skin.

(Although, for some moods that could work.)

I was more thinking about a nice tanned fur that's been cleaned and soft and cozy.



now the high heels and the garter? Yeah Maybe ..... depends on how long I'd have to wear 'em.


Probably not long.

I prefer being lied to.

"No, honey - size doesn't matter."
"No, honey - men with really huge muscles are gross."
"No, honey - I love it when you 'tune in Tokyo' while we're doing it. It's not distracting at all."
"No, honey - even though size doesn't matter, you're really big down there!"
"No, honey - you look even better than the dude in the Old Spice commercial."
"No, honey - I only turn off the lights during, so as to enhance my tactile sensation"
"Yup. Four times. Seriously."

:roflmao:

buncha ole fartz, closet u`ve bin 2 a shot of leg, was a dang chikin bone. :killingme




Izzat so?

Freshly skinned leopard?

I wasn't talking about the leopard skin still being warm from the leopard, leaving bloody red smears on your body as you yank pieces of tendon off the tighter parts of skin.
(Although, for some moods that could work.)

I was more thinking about a nice tanned fur that's been cleaned and soft and cozy.






Probably not long.

I was gonna pipe up about that...that sounds AWESOME.

oh ok - I guess I wasn't paying attention and thought it was a "we LIKE Turbo" fan club - so it's a "DON'T like" club? Oh boy well let's see, can I belong to both? How I feel about you depends on what you say ..... sometimes you're pretty rough and that's not in a GOOD way :popcorn: . Other times I'd wave a "Turbo is great" flag. :smoochy:

I agree on being attracted to REAL people who are honest and don't play games - I think that's what you mean eh? Although I know people who SAY they hate drama queens yet are one themselves .... or say they don't play games then I hear them plotting against some man they just met - no games huh? Yeah right. So not everyone who proclaims to be a certain way, really is. Then again no surprise there.

Kind of my point... :1bdz:

I prefer blatant, raw, honesty over appearances any day of the week. :shrug:

I think in this case a fake leopard skin would suffice. I like nature and all, but I think a real leopard skin would be going a bit too far for me. I like big cats when they are still in their skin and roaming the wilderness.

Fast mover eh?

Freshly skinned leopard?

I wasn't talking about the leopard skin still being warm from the leopard, leaving bloody red smears on your body as you yank pieces of tendon off the tighter parts of skin.

(Although, for some moods that could work.)

I was more thinking about a nice tanned fur that's been cleaned and soft and cozy.






Probably not long.

I'm sure there are women who are that type that want to be in charge and be domineering. I'd expect them to be not hard to find if you are looking? There must be a website dedicated to match-making for those into that? You may even get a PM or two from the forum ... you never know ...

Darn no PMs yet, I thought I would at least see one from you. I will let you know when I get the first PM.

Darn no PMs yet, I thought I would at least see one from you. I will let you know when I get the first PM.

Get one from Lance yet?

Somehow I doubt that's the "good time" PM he's waiting for :killingme

Get one from Lance yet?

Somehow I doubt that's the "good time" PM he's waiting for :killingme

That's a NO NO:boxing: I want you and InMarsh to woman handle me with ya bad self.

:popcorn:

WOW.... I just dont know where to start with this....

really after 13 pages of this... all thats on my mind is Toxic now...

sorry Turbo :shrug: but Toxic had me at the Leopard skin :killingme

oohh and who was talking about pulling hair .... :hot:

oh ok - I guess I wasn't paying attention and thought it was a "we LIKE Turbo" fan club - so it's a "DON'T like" club? Oh boy well let's see, can I belong to both? How I feel about you depends on what you say ..... sometimes you're pretty rough and that's not in a GOOD way :popcorn: . Other times I'd wave a "Turbo is great" flag. :smoochy:

I agree on being attracted to REAL people who are honest and don't play games - I think that's what you mean eh? Although I know people who SAY they hate drama queens yet are one themselves .... or say they don't play games then I hear them plotting against some man they just met - no games huh? Yeah right. So not everyone who proclaims to be a certain way, really is. Then again no surprise there.

I think you are starting to get it. :lmao:

Don't forget about FED - I think he's hoping for some hair pulling? Maybe just that it be HIS hair? :jerry: I'm not the violent type so I'll have to see if Inmarsh is up to the task ... :popcorn:

:popcorn:

WOW.... I just dont know where to start with this....

really after 13 pages of this... all thats on my mind is Toxic now...

sorry Turbo :shrug: but Toxic had me at the Leopard skin :killingme

oohh and who was talking about pulling hair .... :hot:

Well, of course I do that.

My thought process goes like this:



"Tox..." (I call myself Tox) "Tox... those are the smoothest most delicious looking legs I've ever seen. The curve of those calves and thighs can take down nations, if put to proper use. HOLY ####, I hope she's funny, and punctual."




I have to disagree here. In my experience, A-Holes typically don't have problems meeting women and getting dates, regardless of their looks. I've known handsome a-holes, and I've known ugly ones. Neither seem to have problems hooking up.


The only guys I know of who have real problems meeting and dating women are the men who lack an air of confidence and social grace. By social grace, I don't mean they know exactly which wine goes with the entree, or a keenly developed appreciation for opera. I mean someone who can at least carry their half of a conversation, someone who knows when jokes are appropriate (and more importantly when they are inappropriate), and someone who can speak intelligently on at least 1 subject.


Being in the field of Engineering, I run into more than my fair share of shy-guys who are deathly terrified of approaching women - and whenever there are women, say, in meetings, they are visibily tense, and cannot converse. (Luckily, there aren't many women in engineering, or we'd never get any work done)

Anyway - those are the guys who don't have girlfriends... And many of them are not ugly.
I have to agree with that completely. I work with a bunch of super smarties that are all cute, most older, I know they are pulling in big money, and cannot speak to anybody very well, much less a member of the opposite sex.

DATING AND SOCIAL LIFE
Dating is never easy for engineers. A normal person will employ various indirect and duplicitous methods to create a false impression of attractiveness. Engineers are incapable of placing appearance above function.

Fortunately, engineers have an ace in the hole. They are widely recognized as superior marriage material: intelligent, dependable, employed, honest, and handy around the house. While it's true that many normal people would prefer not to date an engineer, most normal people harbor an intense desire to mate with them, thus producing engineer-like children who will have high-paying jobs long before losing their virginity.

Male engineers reach their peak of sexual attractiveness later than normal men, becoming irresistible erotic dynamos in their mid thirties to late forties. Just look at these examples of sexually irresistible men in technical professions:

* Bill Gates.
* MacGyver.
* Etcetera.

Female engineers become irresistible at the age of consent and remain that way until about thirty minutes after their clinical death. Longer if it's a warm day.
:lmao: Not really true. I have several friends that I've offered to introduce to some engineers during happy hour or something and I get the response back of "Ick. Engineers? Anybody but them." :ohwell:

:popcorn:

WOW.... I just dont know where to start with this....

really after 13 pages of this... all thats on my mind is Toxic now...

sorry Turbo :shrug: but Toxic had me at the Leopard skin :killingme

oohh and who was talking about pulling hair .... :hot:
I've been claiming Toxick for years, but now you want him?! :mad: We have to jello wrassle for him. :duel:

Oh and it was ArkRescue who was talking hair pulling. :eyebrow:

NO way, someone else started the hair pulling talk - twas NOT me ...... I just commented on it .... may have been Turbo talking that caveman stuff?



Oh and it was ArkRescue who was talking hair pulling. :eyebrow:

NO way, someone else started the hair pulling talk - twas NOT me ...... I just commented on it .... may have been Turbo talking that caveman stuff?

No, that was about whacking you in the head with a club.

I've been claiming Toxick for years, but now you want him?! :mad: We have to jello wrassle for him. :duel:

This.


:popcorn:

I'll offer to referee as long as I don't get any jello in my hair ewww.

This.


:popcorn:

NO way, someone else started the hair pulling talk - twas NOT me ...... I just commented on it .... may have been Turbo talking that caveman stuff?

I claim the hair pulling talking about Clan of The Cave Bear, things were easier back then. No fuss just take it, no talking, you have choice and we don't have to talk when done.

I'll offer to referee as long as I don't get any jello in my hair ewww.

As if you never had nothing sticky get in your hair by accident?

Women are just as shallow as men off the get. I can say that with some certainty because not only am I a card carrying member of the fairer sex, I'm also the president. :lol:

Men however make it more of a habit to stay in a relationship based on physical attraction and that's why you see more average or below average guys with more attractive women for the longer hauls. Women for the most part are more attracted to personality and stability for the duration.

Women are just as shallow as men off the get. I can say that with some certainty because not only am I a card carrying member of the fairer sex, I'm also the president. :lol:

Men however make it more of a habit to stay in a relationship based on physical attraction and that's why you see more average or below average guys with more attractive women for the longer hauls. Women for the most part are more attracted to personality and stability for the duration.

Good input, see lots of just average guy with a bombshell in his arms and I say :shrug: And also men don't want to loose the good butt they got, ego thing, don't want another man all up in it.

I would rather go back to the cave man days, things were less simple. Did anyone see the old movie called "Clan of the Cave Bear" Daryl Hannah had to give up the butt, no questions asked, no talking, no getting to know each other. For some reason I am picturing me with a hot blonde like Vrail and ArkRescue. Then when we are done you go start a fire and skin me a rabbit for dinner.

The rabbit skinning and cooking aside, this is a common fanstasy for women to have as well. Its usually more aggressive women that actually enjoy this type of fantasy scenario not because of the violence, but because their personality which makes losing control over a situation forbidden, and therefore more sexually arousing.

Good input, see lots of just average guy with a bombshell in his arms and I say :shrug: And also men don't want to loose the good butt they got, ego thing, don't want another man all up in it.

Ego or instinct? Survival of the species and all. From the animalistic standpoint, no male worth his salt elects to give up prime beeding stock. A lot of how society dictates we behave is in direct opposition to instinct. :shrug: Just sayin'!

The rabbit skinning and cooking aside, this is a common fanstasy for women to have as well. Its usually more aggressive women that actually enjoy this type of fantasy scenario not because of the violence, but because their personality which makes losing control over a situation forbidden, and therefore more sexually arousing.

Oh another testimonial expert has chimed in, so how where the experiences you had? ArkRescue has been doing this also, so your not alone. PM will be coming soon for the 3 of us I hope.

[QUOTE=migtig;4395915]I have to agree with that completely. I work with a bunch of super smarties that are all cute, most older, I know they are pulling in big money, and cannot speak to anybody very well, much less a member of the opposite sex.


Clark Kent over superman anyday, I love nerds! A pair of Buddy Holly glasses is irresistible. I dont mean the guy that has absolutely no social skills, just the one that is more reserved and doesnt know how to strike up conversations with women. Since I am more outgoing, I always tend to be with quiet guys. Really, its doesnt matter how hot a guy is, if he's a freaking meathead idiot I am repulsed, Im more of an intellisexual sort of person.

Oh another testimonial expert has chimed in, so how where the experiences you had? ArkRescue has been doing this also, so your not alone. PM will be coming soon for the 3 of us I hope.

lmao:killingme


Wow! Didnt know Ark and I were turning into the resident Harlequinn writers! But okay here goes:

"Well there we were, Ark and I dressed like Raquel Welch from One Million BC, and Ark was gathering up all the homeless animals, when I see FED UP jump out of the bushes and chase this random chick trying to whack her over the head with a club so I quit my search for tofu based meat alternatives and yell to Ark "RUN BIOTCH! WE'VE STUMBLED INTO THE WRONG PART OF TOWN!" So then we grab the animals and high tail it to another place that has a community cave watch and looks out for that sort of thing."

The End!:diva:

How's that?

I've been claiming Toxick for years, but now you want him?! :mad: We have to jello wrassle for him. :duel:

Oh and it was ArkRescue who was talking hair pulling. :eyebrow:


:yahoo: Im gonna jello wrassle with my miggy.. :love: toxick or no toxick... I would wrassle with ya!!!


and ... I would give Arkie a good hair pullin and a good ole :spank:... that would set her straight!! :killingme

Ego or instinct? Survival of the species and all. From the animalistic standpoint, no male worth his salt elects to give up prime beeding stock. A lot of how society dictates we behave is in direct opposition to instinct. :shrug: Just sayin'!

You are aware that there has been a great deal of swirl around women's instincts in recent years. Seems we have hidden ovulation for a reason, so we can mate with multiple partners and carry on the strongest genes. Just sayin' nature over nurture and all. :lol: So less socially acceptable when it's reversed.

You are aware that there has been a great deal of swirl around women's instincts in recent years. Seems we have hidden ovulation for a reason, so we can mate with multiple partners and carry on the strongest genes. Just sayin' nature over nurture and all. :lol: So less socially acceptable when it's reversed.

That's all fine and good. :yay:

You'd be part of my 'herd' anyway. :muahaha:

Clark Kent over superman anyday, I love nerds! A pair of Buddy Holly glasses is irresistible. I dont mean the guy that has absolutely no social skills, just the one that is more reserved and doesnt know how to strike up conversations with women. Since I am more outgoing, I always tend to be with quiet guys. Really, its doesnt matter how hot a guy is, if he's a freaking meathead idiot I am repulsed, Im more of an intellisexual sort of person.

:flowers: I'm even from Ga.

:yahoo: Im gonna jello wrassle with my miggy.. :love: toxick or no toxick... I would wrassle with ya!!!

:love: :smoochy: :love:

:flowers: I'm even from Ga.

Awws! :huggy:

Always nice to bump into someone from the peach state! :buddies:

Awws! :huggy:

Always nice to bump into someone from the peach state! :buddies:

Where?

Where?

Here, Pete. She bumped into you here.

You could just ask to inspect his goods right off the bat :shrug:

You really don't need to *see* the goods. :whistle:

You really don't need to *see* the goods. :whistle:

Crocodile Dundee package check.

You are so right - the woman who participates voluntarily in hair pulling could be either dominant or subservient. If it's involuntarily then she's a victim.

The rabbit skinning and cooking aside, this is a common fanstasy for women to have as well. Its usually more aggressive women that actually enjoy this type of fantasy scenario not because of the violence, but because their personality which makes losing control over a situation forbidden, and therefore more sexually arousing.

Herd? What is she a cow? Isn't the term supposed to be harem?

That's all fine and good. :yay:

You'd be part of my 'herd' anyway. :muahaha:

Be careful, FED is looking for some action in his PM inbox - so far nothing he says.

How in the world did I make it as a major player in this mini-drama? Oh my, and I don't even LIKE TOFU so now what? I starve? Where's ICit? She'll help me find some real meat.

lmao:killingme


Wow! Didnt know Ark and I were turning into the resident Harlequinn writers! But okay here goes:

"Well there we were, Ark and I dressed like Raquel Welch from One Million BC, and Ark was gathering up all the homeless animals, when I see FED UP jump out of the bushes and chase this random chick trying to whack her over the head with a club so I quit my search for tofu based meat alternatives and yell to Ark "RUN BIOTCH! WE'VE STUMBLED INTO THE WRONG PART OF TOWN!" So then we grab the animals and high tail it to another place that has a community cave watch and looks out for that sort of thing."

The End!:diva:

How's that?

HEY what did I do to YOU? You're supposed to have my back not beat me ..... and pullin' hair too? Sheesh you stand up and fight like a .. well um a ... never-mind :popcorn: carry on, I just remembered she looks like she can beat my butt ..... :jerry:

:yahoo: Im gonna jello wrassle with my miggy.. :love: toxick or no toxick... I would wrassle with ya!!!


and ... I would give Arkie a good hair pullin and a good ole :spank:... that would set her straight!! :killingme

Herd? What is she a cow? Isn't the term supposed to be harem?

Harem? What are you, a terrorist?

:roflmao:

So...This was a very interesting read. I think looks are usually what people notice first about someone. That being said, a hot body or attractive face isn't everything. Personality does count for the long haul.

So...This was a very interesting read. I think looks are usually what people notice first about someone. That being said, a hot body or attractive face isn't everything. Personality does count for the long haul.

Well what if you find that one who has a split personality after marriage? Were are you going woman, did I say you can get some of your money out the bank.

:popcorn:

Don't encourage FED - it's gone too far now, so we need to tame it back down. When we keep it light and funny, it's better - that way people don't get too serious and start fighting. I like it when everyone can laugh and be happy together without fighting. Obviously FED didn't get any good PM's yet. I'm sure there's someone out there who will PM FED with an offer of friendship.

Now back in the chicken coop, ICit saw a big juicy bug and went after it but Cross Dressing Turbo grabbed it before she got to it. Next thing you know Turbo and Lacey are hiding in the nest box just clucking away while eating the big bug. ICit gets mad and goes in to claim her bug, only to find that not only is the bug gone, but Turbo and Lacey are now engaged in mutual grooming, how could Turbo cheat on ICit? Upset and clearly outraged, ICit decides to start up a relationship with Crooked Beak Suzy. Tune in next time on... As The Coop Turns......

:popcorn:

Don't encourage FED - it's gone too far now, so we need to tame it back down. When we keep it light and funny, it's better - that way people don't get too serious and start fighting. I like it when everyone can laugh and be happy together without fighting. Obviously FED didn't get any good PM's yet. I'm sure there's someone out there who will PM FED with an offer of friendship.

Now back in the chicken coop, ICit saw a big juicy bug and went after it but Cross Dressing Turbo grabbed it before she got to it. Next thing you know Turbo and Lacey are hiding in the nest box just clucking away while eating the big bug. ICit gets mad and goes in to claim her bug, only to find that not only is the bug gone, but Turbo and Lacey are now engaged in mutual grooming, how could Turbo cheat on ICit? Upset and clearly outraged, ICit decides to start up a relationship with Crooked Beak Suzy. Tune in next time on... As The Coop Turns......

Still waiting for your PM, we can tazer each other I hear that is a new fetish when doing the dirty deed :killingme my pm box should be full today after saying that.

Don't encourage FED - it's gone too far now, so we need to tame it back down. When we keep it light and funny, it's better - that way people don't get too serious and start fighting. I like it when everyone can laugh and be happy together without fighting. Obviously FED didn't get any good PM's yet. I'm sure there's someone out there who will PM FED with an offer of friendship.

Now back in the chicken coop, ICit saw a big juicy bug and went after it but Cross Dressing Turbo grabbed it before she got to it. Next thing you know Turbo and Lacey are hiding in the nest box just clucking away while eating the big bug. ICit gets mad and goes in to claim her bug, only to find that not only is the bug gone, but Turbo and Lacey are now engaged in mutual grooming, how could Turbo cheat on ICit? Upset and clearly outraged, ICit decides to start up a relationship with Crooked Beak Suzy. Tune in next time on... As The Coop Turns......

Hey!

I'm supposed to be the one with mental problems! Leave my niche alone!!

FED UP - your post number 155 was one of the most disgusting/disturbing things I have read on these forums. It is something I would have expected form LANCE. As such, I am now placing you in the same category as LANCE - welcome to the IGGY club!!!

FED UP - your post number 155 was one of the most disgusting/disturbing things I have read on these forums. It is something I would have expected form LANCE. As such, I am now placing you in the same category as LANCE - welcome to the IGGY club!!!

whatever, darn I won't be able to sleep tonight :bigwhoop:

Considering this a not an "adults only" forum, your post was a bit out there. Just sayin'

whatever, darn I won't be able to sleep tonight :bigwhoop:

Did it get edited or deleted? I don't see what's so offensive?

Considering this a not an "adults only" forum, your post was a bit out there. Just sayin'

Well it was just fruit, geee, hey I finally got a pm from Vrail, I got a 1 point violation on my forum license, darnit I was having fun.

Back to topic, so how long does it take to get to know someones, what about people that get married after dating for 1 or 2 months, I thinks its more a desire at this point and a need of not being alone is a fear I think. After a couple of months you really don't know this person, it seems more of a silly infatuated impulse to get hitched so quick, and another thing I notice is that some people tend to date people who somewhat favor there appearance, or is it just me?

Did it get edited or deleted? I don't see what's so offensive?

Seems it was deleted, all I did was comment on how good peaches and bananas taste. Um sticking to vegetables for now on.

Men who are looking for short-term companionship are more interested in a woman's body than those looking for a long-term relationship, who focused on a woman's face, according to new research from psychologists at The University of Texas at Austin.
Your tax dollars at work

Don't encourage FED - it's gone too far now, so we need to tame it back down. When we keep it light and funny, it's better - that way people don't get too serious and start fighting. I like it when everyone can laugh and be happy together without fighting. Obviously FED didn't get any good PM's yet. I'm sure there's someone out there who will PM FED with an offer of friendship.

Now back in the chicken coop, ICit saw a big juicy bug and went after it but Cross Dressing Turbo grabbed it before she got to it. Next thing you know Turbo and Lacey are hiding in the nest box just clucking away while eating the big bug. ICit gets mad and goes in to claim her bug, only to find that not only is the bug gone, but Turbo and Lacey are now engaged in mutual grooming, how could Turbo cheat on ICit? Upset and clearly outraged, ICit decides to start up a relationship with Crooked Beak Suzy. Tune in next time on... As The Coop Turns......

:eyebrow:

Your tax dollars at work Men who are looking for short-term companionship are more interested in a woman's body than those looking for a long-term relationship, who focused on a woman's face, according to new research from psychologists at The University of Texas at Austin.


Those guys are really working hard, I think this thread already figured out in early post that is surely a true statement. People are attractive inside and out and it can be decieving. I think men at time just to get what they want for the short term get deceptive and fake inside temporarily to get what they want, and then its thanks babe um out. The lady finds out to late if she gave in too easy, that happens very very often.

Men who are looking for short-term companionship are more interested in a woman's body than those looking for a long-term relationship, who focused on a woman's face, according to new research from psychologists at The University of Texas at Austin.


Those guys are really working hard, I think this thread already figured out in early post that is surely a true statement. People are attractive inside and out and it can be decieving. I think men at time just to get what they want for the short term get deceptive and fake inside temporarily to get what they want, and then its thanks babe um out. The lady finds out to late if she gave in too easy, that happens very very often.

:yay:

"I'm a cardiac surgeon and drive a Porsche."

Male version of make-up and a boob job. :roflmao:

hey if I have to look cuter and enlarge my body parts, I want the same in return .... :evil:

:yay:

"I'm a cardiac surgeon and drive a Porsche."

Male version of make-up and a boob job. :roflmao:

hey if I have to look cuter and enlarge my body parts, I want the same in return .... :evil:

Are you suggesting males should enhance there butts and pecks?

hey if I have to look cuter and enlarge my body parts, I want the same in return .... :evil:

So what you are saying is that you have some inborn, twisted need to enlarge your body parts? Or do you have voices in your head? Cuz, I don't remember anyone else saying you needed to.

:shrug:

Are you suggesting males should enhance there butts and pecks?

Add an "er" to the latter. She's freaky like that.

I was making fun of your post about make-up and boob jobs LOL ...... :smoochy:

So what you are saying is that you have some inborn, twisted need to enlarge your body parts? Or do you have voices in your head? Cuz, I don't remember anyone else saying you needed to.

:shrug:

:killingme

Add an "er" to the latter. She's freaky like that.

So what you are saying is that you have some inborn, twisted need to enlarge your body parts? Or do you have voices in your head? Cuz, I don't remember anyone else saying you needed to.

:shrug:

I bet Ark is smoking hot, I guess Vrail and InMarsh are too. InMarsh for example; a man wanted to fill her gas tank up for nothing, has to be HOT. Now here is a test any lady that wants to rate how hot they are, see if you can get a stranger dude to fill you gas tank up, you will only get what your worth looking at :killingme So if he offers you five dollars worth gas, that is probably not good.

Body parts, women are the one who are suppose to project beauty not, men we just have to look good/decent.

Still waiting for your PM, we can tazer each other I hear that is a new fetish when doing the dirty deed :killingme my pm box should be full today after saying that.

If you wanna get tazed go to Quantico tomorrow for the Marine Corps Tech Expo. They will taze you for five seconds and you get a challenge coin.

If you wanna get tazed go to Quantico tomorrow for the Marine Corps Tech Expo. They will taze you for five seconds and you get a challenge coin.

I don't think I want to get tazed in the rain today.

Why not? That would add more intensity to the experience :popcorn:

I don't think I want to get tazed in the rain today.

I was making fun of your post about make-up and boob jobs LOL ...... :smoochy:

:blushing:

Why not? That would add more intensity to the experience :popcorn:

I hear its risky, when can we try this? No water, I want to live to tell about the experience we will have :killingme

You :blushing: ?? no way ......

:blushing:

You :blushing: ?? no way ......

Just hadn't had a chance to use that one yet :biggrin:

Men look for good bodies in short-term mates, pretty faces in long-term mates (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100925105837.htm)

"ScienceDaily (Sep. 26, 2010) — Men who are looking for short-term companionship are more interested in a woman's body than those looking for a long-term relationship, who focused on a woman's face, according to new research from psychologists at The University of Texas at Austin."


I wonder how many billions were granted of tax-payer dollars to fund this study.

Damn why couldnt I have been born without a conscience too! :banghead:

...After a couple of months you really don't know this person...

I know that's right. I met my husband, dated for 10 months and got engaged, married a year later. More than a few months, and still too fast.

For me. Realize not everyone is the same.

[QUOTE=n0n1m0us3;4394691]When I was younger I met a guy who looked just like Alfred E Neuman, not attractive at all. He thought I was cute so he would bug me and as I got to know him I just thought he was awesome. He became attractive to me, even though my friends and others would comment on how ugly he was. I didn't give a damn because I loved him :shrug:[/QUOTE

This discussion realy does go both ways because I dated a good friend of mine once. He was good to me, his family had money and he was going in the right direction to be somebody some day but I was never physically attracted to him. Needless to say the relationship didn't last very long, but at least we were still able to be friends afterward.

[QUOTE=n0n1m0us3;4394691]When I was younger I met a guy who looked just like Alfred E Neuman, not attractive at all. He thought I was cute so he would bug me and as I got to know him I just thought he was awesome. He became attractive to me, even though my friends and others would comment on how ugly he was. I didn't give a damn because I loved him :shrug:[/QUOTE

This discussion realy does go both ways because I dated a good friend of mine once. He was good to me, his family had money and he was going in the right direction to be somebody some day but I was never physically attracted to him. Needless to say the relationship didn't last very long, but at least we were still able to be friends afterward.

I think this is where men surely differ from a lady, if we are not physically attracted to a lady then its just about getting what we want, one nighter, maybe two if it was good. Would not be a long term dating thing.

Which proves the point that men don't have to be attracted to a women to consider her for a romp or two.

I know a guy who has strung a gal along for almost a year as if he's serious about her, but he is only playing games with her mind (says she is not attractive to him) to keep getting the beneficial romps with her. That's just so wrong.

[QUOTE=sweetandsassy;4407838]

I think this is where men surely differ from a lady, if we are not physically attracted to a lady then its just about getting what we want, one nighter, maybe two if it was good. Would not be a long term dating thing.

[QUOTE=ArkRescue;4413938]Which proves the point that men don't have to be attracted to a women to consider her for a romp or two.

I know a guy who has strung a gal along for almost a year as if he's serious about her, but he is only playing games with her mind (says she is not attractive to him) to keep getting the beneficial romps with her. That's just so wrong.



Well you really can't say it was so wrong, she benefited as well. I wonder how many paper bags he had to go through. How desperate are women to be loved and wanted? Will she down grade hersef to get the feeling she is wanted or needed or loved, its in yall nature to have to have it right. That can go both ways I guess but more so for ladies I think. I always thought that paper bag thing was a joke until I saw Christoper on Nip Tuck use one on a lady. Men are so devious for sex, I hate myself sometimes :banghead:

That doesn't sound like an appropriate way to handle the situation.

First, you have to mutually decide to have; and commit to; an exclusive relationship.

After you do that; if your significant other doesn't bring it up before you do; agree to seeing each other naked. If nothing else, it's one H*ll of a new relationship jitters cure.