View Full Version : Did Hoyer assault Lollar?
vraiblonde
10-20-2010, 05:11 PM
Start at the 4:50 mark. Should Charles press charges? You suppose it was a racial thing?
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Aerogal
10-20-2010, 05:47 PM
Hmm... Hoyer's banner ad on your site says he respects veterans. Must be only if they mind their place.
I want the original video to go viral:evil:
kom526
10-20-2010, 05:55 PM
Hmm... Hoyer's banner ad on your site says he respects veterans. Must be only if they mind their place.
I want the original video to go viral:evil:
I've posted on my FB page and sent both videos to The Wilkow Majority, I guess Hannity is next...
Baja28
10-20-2010, 05:58 PM
Hmm... Hoyer's banner ad on your site says he respects veterans. Must be only if they mind their place.
I want the original video to go viral:evil:I'd like to see it too. I'd also like to see Charles biatch slap Steny. :lol:
kom526
10-20-2010, 06:00 PM
I'd like to see it too. I'd also like to see Charles biatch slap Steny. :lol:
Sent the link to Hannity. Who knows, maybe it'll get some play.:shrug:
Aerogal
10-20-2010, 06:04 PM
I sent the video to Sean Hannity.
haha. ditto
Aerogal
10-20-2010, 06:07 PM
Is it just me or does steny look like the Snow Miser?
Baja28
10-20-2010, 06:08 PM
Sent the link to Hannity. Who knows, maybe it'll get some play.:shrug:
Can you post it here?
vraiblonde
10-20-2010, 06:11 PM
Is it just me or does steny look like the Snow Miser?
:lmao:
Bay_Kat
10-20-2010, 06:18 PM
Is it just me or does steny look like the Snow Miser?
It's true! :killingme
royhobie
10-20-2010, 06:22 PM
Hoyer is advertising more than he has in the past. Thus, he sounds a bit more concerned than usual. I have prior obligations and won't be able to attend the Hoyer/Lollar meeting at St. Mary's College. It should be FUN!! Sure wish I could be there. I would bring a camcorder!!!!!!!!!!
Dixie
10-20-2010, 07:29 PM
Where's the video of the assault? Is it supposed to be on the video from the other thread? Is the assault the "knuckle crunch" in the back? The same place where it looked like Hoyer's hand was open as he touched Lollar's back?
Ltown
10-20-2010, 07:32 PM
Where's the video of the assault? Is it supposed to be on the video from the other thread? Is the assault the "knuckle crunch" in the back? The same place where it looked like Hoyer's hand was open as he touched Lollar's back?
Are You Nancy Pelosi ?
JoeRider
10-20-2010, 07:34 PM
Hmm... Hoyer's banner ad on your site says he respects veterans. Must be only if they mind their place.
I want the original video to go viral:evil:
It is googles banner ad, get adblocker plus for firefox to kill them . They follow you around, no matter what site you go to.
Dixie
10-20-2010, 07:42 PM
Are You Nancy Pelosi ?
Not hardly - but if what I saw would be considered assault then's somebody's a little wuss.
Aerogal
10-20-2010, 08:00 PM
Not hardly - but if what I saw would be considered assault then's somebody's a little wuss.
I thought Lollar's reaction and response was quite adult, unlike Hoyer's behavior.
BTW - Do that to Hoyer and see what happens.
Dixie
10-20-2010, 08:04 PM
I thought Lollar's reaction and response was quite adult, unlike Hoyer's behavior.
BTW - Do that to Hoyer and see what happens.
Do what? Touch his back?
musiclady
10-20-2010, 08:22 PM
Not hardly - but if what I saw would be considered assault then's somebody's a little wuss.
Actually, assault is just laying a hand on someone else. It does not have to hurt. Ask any cop who has filed assault charges. My daughter's ex boyfriend was arrested for assaulting a police officer because he touched the man's shoulder while they were talking. Even the policeman testified to that in court. And the teenager got 6 months in juvi.
Dixie
10-20-2010, 08:30 PM
Actually, assault is just laying a hand on someone else. It does not have to hurt. Ask any cop who has filed assault charges. My daughter's ex boyfriend was arrested for assaulting a police officer because he touched the man's shoulder while they were talking. Even the policeman testified to that in court. And the teenager got 6 months in juvi.
Yeah I know it's a simple as that but honestly anyone that claims assault for something as simple as a touch needs to get a grip.
vraiblonde
10-20-2010, 09:21 PM
Yeah I know it's a simple as that but honestly anyone that claims assault for something as simple as a touch needs to get a grip.
Charles Lollar did not claim assault - that phrasing came from me.
But if you think it's okay for grown men to go around punching their opponents, well, that's the liberal in you coming out.
:razz: :lol:
Aerogal
10-20-2010, 10:03 PM
Do what? Touch his back?
those guys in the black suits and ear pieces would be all over your azz.
chernmax
10-20-2010, 10:08 PM
I've posted on my FB page and sent both videos to The Wilkow Majority, I guess Hannity is next...
Mine went to FB also!!! :buddies:
David
10-20-2010, 11:11 PM
Lollar: Steny Hit Me in the Back, Twice - Southern Maryland Headline News (http://somd.com/news/headlines/2010/12661.shtml)
If anyone knows who the identity of the man initiating the question about the "knuckle punch" in the video starting at 4:55, please let me know. Both videos are posted in the linked article.
Bay_Kat
10-20-2010, 11:17 PM
Lollar: Steny Hit Me in the Back, Twice - Southern Maryland Headline News (http://somd.com/news/headlines/2010/12661.shtml)
If anyone knows who the identity of the man initiating the question about the "knuckle punch" in the video starting at 4:55, please let me know. Both videos are posted in the linked article.
Just goes to show, Hoyer is sweatin', he's never had an opponent that's made him this nervous.
Lollar didn't even bring it up at the presser - someone in the audience did. I have no doubt that Hoyer pressed his knuckle into Charles' back. You can see that Hoyer is more than a little annoyed with Lollar. He is steady running his mouth to Lollar all the way off of that stage. Lollar is just smiling & chuckling at him. Hoyer's done messed with the wrong man.
I can't WAIT for tomorrow's debate at Huntingtown High School! I want to see for myself the look on Steny's face as Charles wipes the floor with him. :getdown:
Don't Miss Charles Lollar debate Steny Hoyer
at Huntingtown High School
Don’t miss our great Congressional candidate Charles Lollar debating Steny Hoyer tomorrow night, Thursday, October 21, at the League of Women Voter’s Candidate Forum at Huntingtown High School. The meet and greet period begins at 5 p.m., the debate begins at 7 p.m.
Bay_Kat
10-20-2010, 11:30 PM
Lollar didn't even bring it up at the presser - someone in the audience did. I have no doubt that Hoyer pressed his knuckle into Charles' back. You can see that Hoyer is more than a little annoyed with Lollar. He is steady running his mouth to Lollar all the way off of that stage. Lollar is just smiling & chuckling at him. Hoyer's done messed with the wrong man.
I can't WAIT for tomorrow's debate at Huntingtown High School! I want to see for myself the look on Steny's face as Charles wipes the floor with him. :getdown:
Should be good. I know someone that will be there and can't wait to hear the details! :yahoo:
hvp05
10-21-2010, 12:24 AM
Actually, assault is just laying a hand on someone else. It does not have to hurt. Ask any cop who has filed assault charges. My daughter's ex boyfriend was arrested for assaulting a police officer because he touched the man's shoulder while they were talking. Even the policeman testified to that in court. And the teenager got 6 months in juvi.Any time you touch an officer [without consent], they could call it assault, especially if they're already annoyed with you.
In Lollar's case, the more appropriate term would be battery.Two separate offenses against the person that when used in one expression may be defined as any unlawful and unpermitted touching of another. Assault is an act that creates an apprehension in another of an imminent, harmful, or offensive contact. The act consists of a threat of harm accompanied by an apparent, present ability to carry out the threat. Battery is a harmful or offensive touching of another. (Source: The Free Dictionary.) (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Assault+and+Battery)Assault is slightly more malicious than battery, as the intent to harm and/or invoke fear in the recipient would need to be shown. Steny may have meant to be intimidating or offensive to Charles, but I think to say that he meant Charles harm is a stretch.
All that aside, and regardless what you wish to call it, this sort of thing should be considered highly unprofessional. Lollar has shown Steny and the Dems nothing less than absolute respect by actively keeping his campaign clean and - as he said in the OP video - "non-personal". Thus, for Steny to jab, poke, or otherwise taunt Charles is sheer pettiness.
If I were Charles, I would be a little offended that Steny would think such a thing would intimidate me whatsoever. Steny's going to need to jab a LOT harder to derail this competition. :biggrin:
Woodyspda
10-21-2010, 12:36 AM
Lollar seems to be handling things fine. Sonny is going to flub up big time. He's not used to being challenged by a real candidate.
I like what I'm hearing so far out of Lollar. I hope he can get his point out to the northern half of the district.
Dixie
10-21-2010, 04:29 AM
Charles Lollar did not claim assault - that phrasing came from me.
But if you think it's okay for grown men to go around punching their opponents, well, that's the liberal in you coming out.
:razz: :lol:
No with all due respect that's not the liberal in me - that was NOT a punch and if someone had done that to me I would still say that was NOT a punch.
I'm kinda surprised that YOU used the word assault especially since you are against stories that are not true or words to that effect in a previous thread (I agree with you BTW). I know by law assault is as simple as a touch but IMHO this is really a stretch and when Hoyer Lollar Assault is googled all things point back to somd.com. Hmmmm, I wonder why......
Are you an evil genius secretly disguised as a mild mannered Board Mommy Vrai? :) and would that make Larry Lois Lane?
CableChick
10-21-2010, 05:25 AM
I'm very much a Lollar supporter, but I still think ppl are making a mountain our of a mole hill here.
That didn't look like a punch, but a pat on the back. I still don't see where Steny was reluctant to shake Lollar's hand either ... he was pushing his chair away when Lollar extended his hand and it took a moment for him to extend his own hand.
However, I wouldn't doubt words were exchanged ....
:shrug:
Dixie
10-21-2010, 05:44 AM
I'm very much a Lollar supporter, but I still think ppl are making a mountain our of a mole hill here.
That didn't look like a punch, but a pat on the back. I still don't see where Steny was reluctant to shake Lollar's hand either ... he was pushing his chair away when Lollar extended his hand and it took a moment for him to extend his own hand.
However, I wouldn't doubt words were exchanged ....
:shrug:
Completely agree!
glhs837
10-21-2010, 06:37 AM
Are you an evil genius secretly disguised as a mild mannered Board Mommy Vrai? :) and would that make Larry Lois Lane?
Okay, what have you done with real Dixie?:eyebrow:
From the press conference:
Lollar said that Hoyer's actions towards him last week do not constitute a call to arms. "I'm not coming after Mr. Hoyer for hitting me in the back, or for telling me that he's coming after me. In fact, I look forward to it. Bring it on. I've never met a marine that didn't like a good fight."
Hoyer probably DID act like he was putting his hand/arm behind Lollar in a friendly gesture (for the cameras) but I have little doubt that he also used his knuckles to make contact.
Just watching the two of them exit the stage, it looks to me like Steny is just beside himself getting in the last word to Lollar. He's steadily yapping practically the whole time. AND the fact that Lollar KEEPS walking and acts as if nothing is going on indicates to me that Steny is throwing down some kind of gauntlet or trying to get Lollar to confront him. And wouldn't THAT make good political theater?!
Instead - Lollar doesn't bite. And he gets Steny on the defensive later. Perfect.
Just my 2 cents.
hvp05
10-21-2010, 08:51 AM
Instead - Lollar doesn't bite. And he gets Steny on the defensive later. Perfect.So, good. Everyone knows where everyone else stands and we can look forward to the next debate. :yay:
Lenny
10-21-2010, 11:13 AM
I'm very much a Lollar supporter, but I still think ppl are making a mountain our of a mole hill here.
That didn't look like a punch, but a pat on the back.
In fact, if there hadn't been a crowd and cameras, I believe Steny would have reached out and buffed Charles' hair.
EDIT: For Dixie, I don't know how you saw an open hand pressing into Charles' back because the Libertarian and photographer blocked the camera. Nobody saw the punch/touch/brush by, so you cannot make the argument it was nothing, you weren't there.
Themis
10-22-2010, 06:22 AM
vraiblonde;4416602]Start at the 4:50 mark. Should Charles press charges? You suppose it was a racial thing?
W-EbVPzNXHI
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jaksprat
10-22-2010, 07:10 AM
A knuckle-punch to the back? Assault?? Oh, and a racial thing no less?! You gotta be kidding me! And WTF is Charles thinking by confirming what that reporter suggested? Steny's right hand can barely be seen moving towards Charles' back at the end. Yeah, he probably put it on Charles' back, kind of like you do when leaving a room with someone right in front of you. You can tell by Steny's movements and expression it's nothing more. Even if he did use his knuckles, can you honestly believe it was a punch? The only knuckles in this story are the ones in that reporter's head.
I just hope this blows over quickly so Charles doesn't end up looking like a fool for making something out of it. He still has my vote but this kind of crap doesn't help. I guess he's right about 'desperate times call for desperate measures', but who is it that looks desperate here?
Themis
10-22-2010, 08:45 AM
A knuckle-punch to the back? Assault?? Oh, and a racial thing no less?! You gotta be kidding me! And WTF is Charles thinking by confirming what that reporter suggested? Steny's right hand can barely be seen moving towards Charles' back at the end. Yeah, he probably put it on Charles' back, kind of like you do when leaving a room with someone right in front of you. You can tell by Steny's movements and expression it's nothing more. Even if he did use his knuckles, can you honestly believe it was a punch? The only knuckles in this story are the ones in that reporter's head.
I just hope this blows over quickly so Charles doesn't end up looking like a fool for making something out of it. He still has my vote but this kind of crap doesn't help. I guess he's right about 'desperate times call for desperate measures', but who is it that looks desperate here?
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Themis
10-22-2010, 09:13 AM
A knuckle-punch to the back? Assault?? Oh, and a racial thing no less?! You gotta be kidding me! And WTF is Charles thinking by confirming what that reporter suggested? Steny's right hand can barely be seen moving towards Charles' back at the end. Yeah, he probably put it on Charles' back, kind of like you do when leaving a room with someone right in front of you. You can tell by Steny's movements and expression it's nothing more. Even if he did use his knuckles, can you honestly believe it was a punch? The only knuckles in this story are the ones in that reporter's head.
I just hope this blows over quickly so Charles doesn't end up looking like a fool for making something out of it. He still has my vote but this kind of crap doesn't help. I guess he's right about 'desperate times call for desperate measures', but who is it that looks desperate here?
Generally I ignore what you put up Clem_Shady but in this case..
You are absolutely correct. Rick Fritz and his friends raped Carla Bailey. Most true countians know that as a truth. My sister who knew them both well had absolutely no doubt that's what happened.
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Themis
10-22-2010, 09:26 AM
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Mr.Steed
10-22-2010, 03:43 PM
Start at the 4:50 mark. Should Charles press charges? You suppose it was a racial thing?
W-EbVPzNXHI
I watched that video 6 times, nowhere does Hoyer hit that lying punk Lollar, JC, talk about desperate! At approx. 5:01 on the video Hoyer moves the back of his hand gently towards Lollar's arm to get his attention, then at approx. 5:03 LOLLAR REACHES BACK AND TOUCHES THE BACK OF HOYER'S BACK, at approx. 5:14 as they walk off, Hoyer nicely and briefly puts his hand on Lollar's back as they walk off stage, nothing aggressive about it.
Lollar has already lied about when he sent in his voters registration card which he did waaaaay too late to qualify to run for governor. The moron signed it with a date which shows he did not send it in shortly after he moved here in late 2005 which is what he claims. Even the Republican Party chastised him for essentially lying, see an article on Lollar and his dirty little lie on "Red Maryland:Whoops".
You idiots need to be gathered up in a big net and dropped over Alaska. God forbid that your wingnuts get elected, may God look over America. Do we have another O'Donnell here, looks like it!
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