For pulling your head out your a$$ and actually giving a speech that did not require a Teleprompter and giving a great NON partisan, NON political speech on the tragedy in Arizona. You said many great things I respect, 180 degrees off the partisan bullsh!t your handlers have fed you. BRAVO! :buddies:

Based on his past history - I still don't trust him. He plays "the game" better then any politician I ever known. Everything he does is for a specific reason and outcome. This might be the beginning of his "turn around" to get re-elected. IF he is re-elected - he will go right back to his political agenda. Such a shame...

Based on his past history - I still don't trust him. He plays "the game" better then any politician I ever known. Everything he does is for a specific reason and outcome. This might be the beginning of his "turn around" to get re-elected. IF he is re-elected - he will go right back to his political agenda. Such a shame...


Funny (funny strange, not funny ha-ha), my impression was "campaign speech"...

I had two feelings about it. My first was it struck me as trite and a little late coming from someone who plays the stick in your eye partisan game more than any President or politician I've ever seen, including Clinton.

But the other was that - I need to find the transcript - it's as though it was saying "ok, enough with the harsh language stuff because we all know what THAT leads to". It was putting a smiley face over the charge that his critics caused the tragedy and asking us to get along, but not acknowledging that the idea itself is preposterous.

With Obama you always need to see if he still means it even as briefly as a week later.

Funny (funny strange, not funny ha-ha), my impression was "campaign speech"...

:yeahthat:

All that clapping was somewhat odd.

I had two feelings about it. My first was it struck me as trite and a little late coming from someone who plays the stick in your eye partisan game more than any President or politician I've ever seen, including Clinton.

But the other was that - I need to find the transcript - it's as though it was saying "ok, enough with the harsh language stuff because we all know what THAT leads to". It was putting a smiley face over the charge that his critics caused the tragedy and asking us to get along, but not acknowledging that the idea itself is preposterous.

With Obama you always need to see if he still means it even as briefly as a week later.

I thought the same thing about the clapping...it was a memorial for those who died....weird :confused:

the news was playing interviews from folks that were at the event as well as residents of az. the feeling from people in az was overwelmingly good towards obama for the message in his speech. in fact, i was speaking to a very right leaning friend of mine who told me he gained a new respect for him after he listened to his speech.

:yeahthat:

All that clapping was somewhat odd.
Yes, It was getting to have a touch of the flavor of a pep rally. No where close to the disgrace that was the Paul Wellstone memorial, no even close.

Obama's comments on political discourse, I wished he hadn't made it, BUT, he did NOT go over the line, for the most part his speech was appropraite.

Based on his past history - I still don't trust him. He plays "the game" better then any politician I ever known. Everything he does is for a specific reason and outcome. This might be the beginning of his "turn around" to get re-elected. IF he is re-elected - he will go right back to his political agenda. Such a shame...

Oh trust me, doesn't mean I'm turning over my house keys to him anytime soon, I just thought it was an appropriate speech with some pretty good thought put into it. I did however wish the freaking Obama college groupies should have kept some of the screaming down.

. I did however wish the freaking Obama college groupies should have kept some of the screaming down.

x10. The behavior of some of the students in the audience was entirely inappropriate, IMO. It sounded throughout like they thought they were at a political event or a pep rally.

The indian chief didn't do much for me either....

the news was playing interviews from folks that were at the event as well as residents of az. the feeling from people in az was overwelmingly good towards obama for the message in his speech. in fact, i was speaking to a very right leaning friend of mine who told me he gained a new respect for him after he listened to his speech.

Why? Because he saw an opportunity to be center stage?

The indian chief didn't do much for me either....

But at lease Obama didn't give a stupid Shout-Out this time!

Based on his past history - I still don't trust him. He plays "the game" better then any politician I ever known. Everything he does is for a specific reason and outcome. This might be the beginning of his "turn around" to get re-elected. IF he is re-elected - he will go right back to his political agenda. Such a shame...

:yeahthat:

Speech good - Venue bad. I could tell Obama was uncomfortable with the whole scene. Mistake #1 was inviting a bunch of hyperactive college students that thought they were coming to a party or concert. I felt like I was watching a Backstreet Boys concert. I don't think this was Obama's fault at all and he handled it with as much dignity as he could.

:yay: to Obama

Speech good - Venue bad. I could tell Obama was uncomfortable with the whole scene. Mistake #1 was inviting a bunch of hyperactive college students that thought they were coming to a party or concert. I felt like I was watching a Backstreet Boys concert. I don't think this was Obama's fault at all and he handled it with as much dignity as he could.

:yay: to Obama

All these swooning girls and college students still vote. Venue and audience selection was intentional. Don't believe otherwise.

Why? Because he saw an opportunity to be center stage?

ummmm no. maybe because the speech was good :smack:

I have to admit, I'm slightly surprised by most of your reactions to his speech. I expected it to be pulled apart and twisted into some pretzeled criticism, but that has not been the case. :cheers:


I agree that it seemed a little off having so much applause at this sort of thing. But as others have pointed out, the size of the venue inevitably led to that.

Applause is the audience's way of letting the speaker know they agree with what he's saying, and of acknowledging the people he mentioned in the speech. (Obviously.) So I have no problem with that, it's just that we're not used to so many people being at this type of event. At least I'm not.

Does anyone happen to have a link to the transcript handy? I missed the speech, and streaming video is not an option at the moment.

Does anyone happen to have a link to the transcript handy? I missed the speech, and streaming video is not an option at the moment.

Obama's Arizona Speech: Transcript, Video - Garance Franke-Ruta - Politics - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/obamas-arizona-speech-transcript-video/69467/)

Obama's Arizona Speech: Transcript, Video - Garance Franke-Ruta - Politics - The Atlantic (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/01/obamas-arizona-speech-transcript-video/69467/)



Thanks much.

I was flipping back and forth between his speech and the Terps basketball game so I only saw pieces. I too thought the applause by the college students was inappropriate. I would think college students would know better but it is what it is.

From the bit of the speech I saw, which was probably less than a quarter of it, it seemed appropriate. It seems odd, but generally I don't like patriotic or feel good speeches as they always seem a bit phony to me, but from this website it sounds like his speech came across good.

Speech good - Venue bad. I could tell Obama was uncomfortable with the whole scene. Mistake #1 was inviting a bunch of hyperactive college students that thought they were coming to a party or concert. I felt like I was watching a Backstreet Boys concert. I don't think this was Obama's fault at all and he handled it with as much dignity as he could.

:yay: to Obama I think those are the only ones left that are stupid enough to believe his BS anymore. Same ones that voted for him.

Impressive speech. Downright moving in some parts.

Granted, I could only read it, so I didn't get any of the tone of the delivery, but the sentiment in the written speech was ... it was good enough to earn Obama a bit of respect from this voter.


Regardless of how you feel about Obama, this isn't a photo-op or a politically motivated Look at me caring moment. This is part of the job description. A bunch of people were gunned down at an event driven by federal politics. It is both appropriate and solicitous that he was there. I didn't read any ideological tripe in the speech he delivered - not even any anti-gun sentiment.


Good job Mr. President. I have a new found new respect for your diplomacy and restraint.



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Impressive speech. Downright moving in some parts.

Granted, I could only read it, so I didn't get any of the tone of the delivery, but the sentiment in the written speech was ... it was good enough to earn Obama a bit of respect from this voter.


Regardless of how you feel about Obama, this isn't a photo-op or a politically motivated Look at me caring moment. This is part of the job description. A bunch of people were gunned down at an event driven by federal politics. It is both appropriate and solicitous that he was there. I didn't read any ideological tripe in the speech he delivered - not even any anti-gun sentiment.


Good job Mr. President. I have a new found new respect for your diplomacy and restraint.



:clap:Yet, recently there was a deal made that President Obama didn't routinely call the families of the fallen troops. That seems to contradict his appearance at the memorial, doesn't it?

Yet, recently there was a deal made that President Obama didn't routinely call the families of the fallen troops. That seems to contradict his appearance at the memorial, doesn't it?


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I didn't hear about that deal. And I have no idea what the actual protocol is for that.


However, the gist of the point I was trying to get at was that it's expected and appropriate that Obama would speak after a shooting that involved a member of Congress.

And it was an act of class that he didn't get join in the mudslinging party that followed, whether the act is ingenuous or not.

:shrug:

I didn't hear about that deal. And I have no idea what the actual protocol is for that.


However, the gist of the point I was trying to get at was that it's expected and appropriate that Obama would speak after a shooting that involved a member of Congress.

And it was an act of class that he didn't get join in the mudslinging party that followed, whether the act is ingenuous or not.
The "deal" (as an issue) dealt with a family in WA whose son had been killed and they were told that the President doesn't routinely call the parents of fallen troops. As it relates to "job description" one would think that would be something the CinC would do.

The "deal" (as an issue) dealt with a family in WA whose son had been killed and they were told that the President doesn't routinely call the parents of fallen troops. As it relates to "job description" one would think that would be something the CinC would do.

I knew what you meant by "deal". I still didn't hear about that deal.


I don't think it would be inappropriate for the CinC to call the families of fallen troops, but I don't see an obligation there either. I'm not sure what the actual protocol is. But given the possibility that a horrifying amount of deaths may occur in wartime, I would expect that it's not required or expected that the President would personally call and console the family every service member that makes the ultimate sacrifice, except under exceptional circumstances. That's not ignorance or arrogance, that's simple logistics.

Impressive speech. Downright moving in some parts.
A bunch of people were gunned down at an event driven by federal politics. It is both appropriate and solicitous that he was there. I didn't read any ideological tripe in the speech he delivered - not even any anti-gun sentiment.






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The event was driven by federal politics or the actual shooting? Because I haven't heard any new revelations stating that Loughner went trigger happy over any type of politics.

Obama did go off script at least once when he said something to the effect of political rhetoric NOT being the reason this happened. I thought that was good on his part and I'd like to see someone from his administration directly address the folks that started the whole "right wing rhetoric caused this tragedy".

I have to admit, I'm slightly surprised by most of your reactions to his speech. I expected it to be pulled apart and twisted into some pretzeled criticism, but that has not been the case.I am willing to bet a fair number of them are Fox News viewers also... :whistle:

I knew what you meant by "deal". I still didn't hear about that deal.


I don't think it would be inappropriate for the CinC to call the families of fallen troops, but I don't see an obligation there either. I'm not sure what the actual protocol is. But given the possibility that a horrifying amount of deaths may occur in wartime, I would expect that it's not required or expected that the President would personally call and console the family every service member that makes the ultimate sacrifice, except under exceptional circumstances. That's not ignorance or arrogance, that's simple logistics.
Since Obama has been President just over 800 troops have died during OEF, he could have made less than three calls a day, spending less than five minutes with each family expressing his condolences. That would be no more than 15 minutes a day and I feel it has nothing to do with logistics. If logistics is an issue just look at what kind of logistics went into the Arizona trip and you can't even believe the claim you've made.

The event was driven by federal politics or the actual shooting? Because I haven't heard any new revelations stating that Loughner went trigger happy over any type of politics.



The event.... not the shooting.

IOW: The congressman was gunned down "in the line of duty" so to speak, talking to constituents at Safeway.





The only viable reason I believe that has been given for the shooting was Loughner's horribly addled brain.

The event.... not the shooting.

IOW: The congressman was gunned down "in the line of duty" so to speak, talking to constituents at Safeway.





The only viable reason I believe that has been given for the shooting was Loughner's horribly addled brain.

Gotcha :yay:

The event.... not the shooting.

IOW: The congressman was gunned down "in the line of duty" so to speak, talking to constituents at Safeway.





The only viable reason I believe that has been given for the shooting was Loughner's horribly addled brain.Had a sex change too. :killingme

Has MSNBC aired this?

Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’ - TVNewser (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/jared-loughners-friend-says-suspect-did-not-watch-tv-disliked-the-news_b48040)


From the article:
He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

:shrug:

I didn't hear about that deal. And I have no idea what the actual protocol is for that.

As much as I dislike Obama, there is no way a President can personally interact with the families of every causalty of a war. I was shocked how much time Bush devoted to doing it, and NOT surprised at all, how much the media ignored that about Bush.

So, I don't think a family should take it personally if the President does NOT personally call them if they lose a child, like was recently published about. Understandably, they are greiving and its easy for them to take offense.

I've only parts of Obama's speech as well, but one people are seizing on, is how he almost basked in the appluase when he said that Rep Gifford opened her eyes before he left her hospital room, then when he got a huge appluase, he kept repeating it and kept the appluase going. Again, this is being a bit nit-pic'ing, he didn't really cross any line, it just left a bad taste in my mouth. BUT again, I have to balance that against any bias I may have from my distaste for so many other things he's done in the past.

I am willing to bet a fair number of them are Fox News viewers also... :whistle:

I know! And it's not even April 1st!

Since Obama has been President just over 800 troops have died during OEF, he could have made less than three calls a day, spending less than five minutes with each family expressing his condolences. That would be no more than 15 minutes a day and I feel it has nothing to do with logistics. If logistics is an issue just look at what kind of logistics went into the Arizona trip and you can't even believe the claim you've made.


Obviously in this particular war, yeah. It's not a lot of time.

The protocol, however is probably not designed because of this war. The logistics I was referring to were not specific to this particular war.

Should Lincoln have personally visited the families of the 200,000 people who died in the Civil war (Assuming he would have survived - since he would have been on travel - rather than watching a play - on April 14th, 1865).

Maybe Roosevelt and Truman should have personally called the families of the 300,000 troops who perished in WWII? You know that ####ing Roosevelt was a socialist anyway.

You don't form a protocol in response to one event.

So, although it may be hard to hear and goes against frantic flag-waving patriotism where everyone who dies is a hero and all Democrats have horns and carry tridents - but no it's not the in the job description of the President to call and console the family of every soldier who loses his life in a war. It's simple logistics.

Had a sex change too. :killingme



:shrug:

I call them Congressmen (or Congresscritter) regardless of sex. I also use the term "Chairman" of the Board rather than "Chairperson". And any women who help extinguish blazes are "Firemen" like their collegues.

If it bothers you, however, I will respect that and be more PC.

Obviously in this particular war, yeah. It's not a lot of time.

The protocol, however is probably not designed because of this war. The logistics I was referring to were not specific to this particular war.

Should Lincoln have personally visited the families of the 200,000 people who died in the Civil war (Assuming he would have survived - since he would have been on travel - rather than watching a play - on April 14th, 1865).

Maybe Roosevelt and Truman should have personally called the families of the 300,000 troops who perished in WWII? You know that ####ing Roosevelt was a socialist anyway.

You don't form a protocol in response to one event.

So, although it may be hard to hear and goes against frantic flag-waving patriotism where everyone who dies is a hero and all Democrats have horns and carry tridents - but no it's not the in the job description of the President to call and console the family of every soldier who loses his life in a war. It's simple logistics.
Now you are being idiotic. And as I recall, remembering back to some old family letters that my grandmother had, she did have a letter from Roosevelt offering his sympathy for her son, that would have been my uncle, that was killed at Guam. So maybe it was protocol that is now being redefined. Hell, Obama even skipped Arlington last Memorial Day taking a trip home to Chicago and sending Biden in his place.

So we will simply have to agree to disagree that Obama did something fantastic here. I don't see it but you apparently do. I guess it was more important to him to go to Arizona. After all, he did get his TV face time and we know that is one of his high priorities.

Now you are being idiotic.


Why is it idiotic? Because I have the audacity to say that if the Obama doesn't call everyone who loses a family member in the Middle East he's a complete jack-hole?

I have no idea the circumstances surrounding your uncle's sacrifice, or the letter your grandmother received. I have no idea if the letter was actually from Roosevelt himself or written by a staffer with FDR's name rubber-stamped on it.

What I do know is that it's a physically impossibility that Roosevelt or Truman would have personally written a letter to the family of every American casualty in World War 2. Or make a phone call to them.

I also have no idea if the families of service members today receive a comparible letter with OHB's signature rubber-stamped on it. (Or whatever today's computerized equivalent is).

So we will simply have to agree to disagree that Obama did something fantastic here. I don't see it but you apparently do.


I do?

We can disagree to whatever you want, but where did I say he did something fantastic?

I simply don't think this is a photo-op or attention grab - it's him doing his ####ing job, doing what's expected, and he did a decent job of it.


It's not like I'm massaging his testicles or something.

I paused for perhaps 20 seconds on the feed: listened to some shaman with a bizarre incantation to the south, east, & west door and I knew it had to be the memorial.

Like the Olympics, we have to dedicate a huge portion of time to native American culture because....um...well...NO REASON AT ALL!
Was the shooting on a Reservation?...ok then: call up a Shaman to pray to the great spirit and throw some sacred dust and bang a rattle but ...for a national memorial, to elevate a dying religion, of a defeated people is just so typical of PC pantheist president.

I am ashamed of my president, and all the fools who swoon in his presence. I am disgusted that more people don't have the backbone to stand up to this fraud. And finally I am infuriated that the media is continuing to be complicit in trying to reelect this immense man-child embarrassment.

His mouth opens: I change the channel.

All these swooning girls and college students still vote. Venue and audience selection was intentional. Don't believe otherwise.

I honestly don't think Obama intended for it to have such a party atmosphere. Whether Obama had anything to do with picking the venue or not, I'm certain he is thinking it turned out to be somewhat of a mistake. I'm certain he is not smiling at all of the criticism.

Why is it idiotic? Because I have the audacity to say that if the Obama doesn't call everyone who loses a family member in the Middle East he's a complete jack-hole?Idiotic was your tactic of stating that Lincoln did not visit every family that lost someone and the rest of that specific tirade.

I have no idea the circumstances surrounding your uncle's sacrifice, or the letter your grandmother received. I have no idea if the letter was actually from Roosevelt himself or written by a staffer with FDR's name rubber-stamped on it.

What I do know is that it's a physically impossibility that Roosevelt or Truman would have personally written a letter to the family of every American casualty in World War 2. Or make a phone call to them.Form letter and rubber stamping a signature or a personal handwritten letter makes no difference, it was obvious effort on the part of the CinC.

I also have no idea if the families of service members today receive a comparible letter with OHB's signature rubber-stamped on it. (Or whatever today's computerized equivalent is).I have no idea what this administration does but his immediate predecessor made considerable effort to speak with those that suffered loss. Now that, to me, is moving.

I do?

We can disagree to whatever you want, but where did I say he did something fantastic?You seem to laud his performance (based on what you read from the transcript), sounded like you were quite "thrilled" about it as you said - "Impressive speech. Downright moving in some parts."

I simply don't think this is a photo-op or attention grab - it's him doing his ####ing job, doing what's expected, and he did a decent job of it.


It's not like I'm massaging his testicles or something.Maybe you should have worked your logistics in a manner to actually have viewed the "memorial". If you had you might then realize that it was something other than a memorial service.

You might not be massaging him, but it does look like you gave him a friendly "reach around". :biggrin:

Haven't seen this posted yet...

Glenn Beck on AZ Memorial: Obama Truly Was the President of the United States of America (http://bit.ly/eJ7CaJ)

Based on his past history - I still don't trust him. He plays "the game" better then any politician I ever known. Everything he does is for a specific reason and outcome. This might be the beginning of his "turn around" to get re-elected. IF he is re-elected - he will go right back to his political agenda. Such a shame...

ITA. I thought there were definitely excerpts of the speech that were decent, well said, and seemed fitting for the event. OTOH, there were so many parts of the speech where it sounded like he was talking out of both sides of his mouth - as well as "do as I say and not as I do". Afterall - he's thrown out so many flaming comments of his own in the (very recent) past. And overall ... I don't trust him either.
Funny (funny strange, not funny ha-ha), my impression was "campaign speech"...

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Oh trust me, doesn't mean I'm turning over my house keys to him anytime soon, I just thought it was an appropriate speech with some pretty good thought put into it. I did however wish the freaking Obama college groupies should have kept some of the screaming down.

:yay:

x10. The behavior of some of the students in the audience was entirely inappropriate, IMO. It sounded throughout like they thought they were at a political event or a pep rally.

The indian chief didn't do much for me either....

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All these swooning girls and college students still vote. Venue and audience selection was intentional. Don't believe otherwise.

:yeahthat:

I would have just made it a visit to see my wounded friend and then meet with the families of those who passed in this horrible event. Isn't that what we all would do? Why the big arena why at a college? A private press conference condemning what has happened and encouraging the prayers for those who have lost a loved one and anounce the steps the congress woman has made. Denounce those who would think this slaughter was politically motivated and encoursge unity. Yet he tried, but he perfers the rock star type receptions. Ego boosting yes and still not presidential in my opinion. He should of read his speach with no audience and then met with the families. It would have been more effective. Now we are left with how the left and right want to interpret things. The timing is still suspect, why wait so long? This should have been done right away. He handled this all wrong if this was not totally political. Why wait to find a venue to host? A press conference in the Whitehouse would of been fine and then meet the families in private days ago. My question is why should I care about this murder more than any other drive by where innocent people including children die every day? How is this any different? Men and woman die everyday serving our country and should be held in the same regard as the wounded congress woman serving her country willfully and making way more money than those who are supposedly paid to risk their lives. Their is an assumed risk with public service and yet thank God we still have people willing to fill those rolls and sacrafice themselves to protect others without asking for thanks or a big pep rally by the President for his own purpose and goals. :cds:

I would have just made it a visit to see my wounded friend and then meet with the families of those who passed in this horrible event. Isn't that what we all would do? Why the big arena why at a college? A private press conference condemning what has happened and encouraging the prayers for those who have lost a loved one and anounce the steps the congress woman has made. Denounce those who would think this slaughter was politically motivated and encoursge unity. Yet he tried, but he perfers the rock star type receptions. Ego boosting yes and still not presidential in my opinion. He should of read his speach with no audience and then met with the families. It would have been more effective. Now we are left with how the left and right want to interpret things. The timing is still suspect, why wait so long? This should have been done right away. He handled this all wrong if this was not totally political. Why wait to find a venue to host? A press conference in the Whitehouse would of been fine and then meet the families in private days ago. My question is why should I care about this murder more than any other drive by where innocent people including children die every day? How is this any different? Men and woman die everyday serving our country and should be held in the same regard as the wounded congress woman serving her country willfully and making way more money than those who are supposedly paid to risk their lives. Their is an assumed risk with public service and yet thank God we still have people willing to fill those rolls and sacrafice themselves to protect others without asking for thanks or a big pep rally by the President for his own purpose and goals. :cds:


:yeahthat:

Thank you for putting into words, what made me so upset about this event.

The entire event has been nothing but a media circus, with different clown acts taking center stage. ALL of it cheapens the lives of those victims.

Okay, now this is finally turning into the thread I expected from the start.

At least now I know I didn't wake up this morning to find myself on Bizarro World.

Idiotic was your tactic of stating that Lincoln did not visit every family that lost someone and the rest of that specific tirade.

Excuse me - but you are the one who seems to think that it's the President's job to offer solace to every family who lost someone in a war. Not me. It's not a tactic at all, or any such a thing.

Or was Lincoln not a president, and the civil war not a war? What's the difference between then and now? Telephones? The internets?


I have the feeling that if Obama starts sending out form letters to families with his signature digitally applied, you'd still be rolling your eyes. "How impersonal a form letter is! What a disingenuous prick Obama is for sending them out to grieving families!"

You seem to laud his performance (based on what you read from the transcript), sounded like you were quite "thrilled" about it as you said - "Impressive speech. Downright moving in some parts."

Yeah - Referring to the fact that he didn't turn it into a political masturbation rally as many have done. And it did have some moving statements. I don't think that anyone is going to deny that Obama has quite a mastery of oration. At the Democrat Convention during Kerry's campaign there was a collective Donkey-gasm after a single speech, and if Kerry hadn't already won the nomination, they would have kicked his b!tch-ass to the curb and elected Obama right then and there.

Impressive speeches and charasmatic delivery are kind of what he's known for.

But hey if you want to call me saying "He didn't suck" a political handjob, then by all means do so. I'm an Obama sychophant. I'll run out and register Democrat at my earliest convenience.

Excuse me - but you are the one who seems to think that it's the President's job to offer solace to every family who lost someone in a war. Not me. It's not a tactic at all, or any such a thing.

Or was Lincoln not a president, and the civil war not a war? What's the difference between then and now? Telephones? The internets?
No I will not excuse you. You said it was in his job description to attend such events, which is BS. There was nothing in this event that required a Presidential appearance.

It is in his job description to be the CinC and as such it is under his authority that our troops are dying. Therefore he should be offering condolence to the families of the fallen. That would be more in line with his job description, wouldn't you think?

I have the feeling that if Obama starts sending out form letters to families with his signature digitally applied, you'd still be rolling your eyes. "How impersonal a form letter is! What a disingenuous prick Obama is for sending them out to grieving families!"Have all the feelings you want, but the fact remains that Obama would rather laud Vick's owner for giving him a second chance or get his face on TV attending this pep rally then call a parent of a fallen soldier.

Yeah - Referring to the fact that he didn't turn it into a political masturbation rally as many have done. And it did have some moving statements. I don't think that anyone is going to deny that Obama has quite a mastery of oration. At the Democrat Convention during Kerry's campaign there was a collective Donkey-gasm after a single speech, and if Kerry hadn't already won the nomination, they would have kicked his b!tch-ass to the curb and elected Obama right then and there.

Impressive speeches and charasmatic delivery are kind of what he's known for.Which President has turned a tragedy into a political masturbation rally? If you had handled your logistics properly you could have watched this service and then you would have seen that Obama has come the closest to doing so. Trust me he wasn't that impressive.

But hey if you want to call me saying "He didn't suck" a political handjob, then by all means do so. I'm an Obama sychophant. I'll run out and register Democrat at my earliest convenience.You should.

Okay, now this is finally turning into the thread I expected from the start.

At least now I know I didn't wake up this morning to find myself on Bizarro World.

Perhaps you ought to turn your critical eye on your own that continue to spread the vile and HATE...

Sarah Palin's Blood Libel Controversial Reference: Death Threats and Has Riled Emotions - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blood-libel-sarah-palins-controversial-reference-riled-emotions/story?id=12601352)

No I will not excuse you. You said it was in his job description to attend such events, which is BS. There was nothing in this event that required a Presidential appearance.


A member of Congress was shot in the ####ing face.

Sounds to me like Presidential attention is both expected and appropriate.

Required? Maybe not, but certainly expected and appropriate.


It is in his job description to be the CinC and as such it is under his authority that our troops are dying. Therefore he should be offering condolence to the families of the fallen. That would be more in line with his job description, wouldn't you think?

If case you haven't gleaned it from the conversation - no, I wouldn't think this.

Why?

As I said - the potential for VAST numbers of fallen troops makes this expectation unreasonable IMO.


It would be nice if the president could personally offer succor and condolences to the families of each casualty of war, and Bush is a man among men for doing so. But frankly, I wouldn't expect it from any President and take it as a given.





And this conversation is starting to get repetitive and boring. I've said my piece and you've said yours. Unless you have anything new to bring to the table, I'm going to go do something more useful with my time, like seeing if I can clip my fingernails with a 3-hole puncher.

A member of Congress was shot in the ####ing face.

Sounds to me like Presidential attention is both expected and appropriate.

Required? Maybe not, but certainly expected and appropriate.

If case you haven't gleaned it from the conversation - no, I wouldn't think this.

Why?

As I said - the potential for VAST numbers of fallen troops makes this expectation unreasonable IMO.

It would be nice if the president could personally offer succor and condolences to the families of each casualty of war, and Bush is a man among men for doing so. But frankly, I wouldn't expect it from any President and take it as a given.

And this conversation is starting to get repetitive and boring. I've said my piece and you've said yours. Unless you have anything new to bring to the table, I'm going to go do something more useful with my time, like seeing if I can clip my fingernails with a 3-hole puncher.
And she is still alive, recovering while the families of the 800+ troops that have been killed under his watch are undeserving of only five minutes of his oh so valuable time in your mind. What makes her more worthy? Because she is a Democratic Representative in the House. BS.

Of course it's getting boring, I had said we can agree to disagree, and I know you can't bring anything new to the table.

Good luck with your three-hole punch, maybe you can get a Presidential service after you've cut the end of your fingers off. Promise TV face time and you can bank on it.

Okay, now this is finally turning into the thread I expected from the start.


Don't you just love these guys, I know I do! :killingme

Don't you just love these guys, I know I do! :killingme

Awww :huggy:

It was a good speech, Obama wasn't the one that set the tone for the pep rally atmosphere by the stupid cheering college kids! :coffee:

What makes her more worthy? Because she is a Democratic Representative in the House.


Yes, that's exactly it.

You got my number.


Of course it's getting boring, I had said we can agree to disagree, and I know you can't bring anything new to the table.

Nor can you. About the only thing you've brought since the beginning are sanctimonious self-righteous barbs with no substance.



Not that I expected much else.

it's as though it was saying "ok, enough with the harsh language stuff because we all know what THAT leads to". It was putting a smiley face over the charge that his critics caused the tragedy and asking us to get along, but not acknowledging that the idea itself is preposterous..

The "harsh rhetoric" comment is what put me off, there is ample evidence that the shooter wasn't motivated by anything but his own demons. He apparently didn't know who Sarah Palin or Gleen Beck were, let alone being affected by their speeches.

I find it hypocritical for a group who used hyperbole to stir up their political base, accusations of racism being the root of why people were "killed", or accusing the other side of "starving" etc. Very harsh language.

The "harsh rhetoric" comment is what put me off, there is ample evidence that the shooter wasn't motivated by anything but his own demons. He apparently didn't know who Sarah Palin or Gleen Beck were, let alone being affected by their speeches.

I find it hypocritical for a group who used hyperbole to stir up their political base, accusations of racism being the root of why people were "killed", or accusing the other side of "starving" etc. Very harsh language.

or...

The "harsh rhetoric" comment is what put me off, there is ample evidence that the shooter wasn't motivated by anything but his own demons. He apparently didn't know who Sarah Palin or Gleen Beck were, let alone being affected by their speeches.

I find it hypocritical for a group who used hyperbole to stir up their political base, accusations of racism being the root of why people were "killed", or accusing the other side of "starving" etc. Very harsh language.

sounds like everyday politics to me bernie. im with your train of thought, but this sort of thing has been going on since mccain and palin didnt win.

sounds like everyday politics to me bernie. im with your train of thought, but this sort of thing has been going on since mccain and palin didnt win.

I wouldn't say it was a result of McCain and Palin losing but more of the superior, reckless spending, economic justice, union feeding, we don't care (sit down, shut up, you lost) attitudes of the Democrat filibuster proof super majority who acted untouchable and unaccountable to the American people. The November elections were proof of it! :coffee:

I'm glad people were able to put politics aside when reading/watching his speech. Even Glenn Beck said it was good.

The clapping and pep rally atmosphere was a bit odd, but that was to be expected.

That was, hands down, President Obama's best speech to date. And it seems that many people on the right agree, for now, that its time to move forward and govern.

I'm glad people were able to put politics aside when reading/watching his speech. Even Glenn Beck said it was good.

The clapping and pep rally atmosphere was a bit odd, but that was to be expected.

That was, hands down, President Obama's best speech to date. And it seems that many people on the right agree, for now, that its time to move forward and govern.

Yes... for now. Until decides it time to stop with the civility and go on with attacking those he disagrees with. Speeches - especially when calling for civility - mean nothing; actions mean something. I have yet to hear Obama call for his own to stop the nonsense. And he wont; because most of us suspect when he’s talking about civility he is talking about the right.

Rumor has it that 'civility' is the new censorship; the new “Fairness Doctrine’. More to come I suspect.