...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

Hard to know for sure. So much has been done to ruin the faith and trust in the words of the president by the current and previous two presidents that it's hard to take anything on their word.

Would you have dropped him in the ocean a few hours after picking him up?

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

I think there is enough doubt that it is reasonable to question.

Could I be wrong? yes.
Was the dumping done in a way to show respect for the religion? no

would it be a good idea to get rid of the body, or at least get it out of the hands of those that would turn it into a symbol to ralley around? yes

but back to the original statement, given the record of obama, I would suggest that doubt that it was Osama is a reasonable thing.

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

this ought to be entertaining

Hard to know for sure. So much has been done to ruin the faith and trust in the words of the president by the current and previous two presidents that it's hard to take anything on their word.

Would you have dropped him in the ocean a few hours after picking him up?

Exactly.

Why are we giving him any consideration? Did any of the 3000 people who dies 9/11 get that same consideration?

So much has been done to ruin the faith and trust in the words of the president?

That is very true.

But I believe Osama sleeps with the fishies.

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

There is reasonable doubt, vrai. 1st, the timing of the whole thing smells. 2nd, and probably more germane, our government, and especially Obama, has lied to us so often, and for so long, if they told us the sky was blue, we'd be obliged to go outside and check for ourselves.

That is very true.

But I believe Obama sleeps with the fishies.

Osama, Obama, what's the difference?

Would you have dropped him in the ocean a few hours after picking him up?

Yes, if that is what I was ordered to do.

That is very true.

But I believe Obama sleeps with the fishies.

I think it's likely, but....would you be surprised to find out he was

Alive and being held in a "black" compound for interrogation?
Alive and we have no idea where he is?
Dead, but the body is being examined for any clues as to ANYTHING they can get from it (a la CSI)?
Dead for years, and we're just now learning of it as if it happened yesterday?


Personally, none of the above (including the official story) would surprise me. It especially wouldn't surprise me to find out the official story was bogus, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it's not, either.

Yes, if that is what I was ordered to do.

Pretty sure they were talking about the person with command authority to make that kind of decision, but thanks for playing.

The government would never lie about something like this.:sarcasm:

Pretty sure they were talking about the person with command authority to make that kind of decision, but thanks for playing.

:notworthy

Is it possible the detainee population at Guantanamo will increase by one in the not-to-distant future? Just askin' the obvious question. Did OBL leave the compound alive?

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?



his bullet riddled corpse should be decorating the National Mall Right now .......

Osama, Obama, what's the difference?

LOL..Fruedian wishfull slip, I guess. I feexed my post.

All i can say is....

:popcorn:

I do not trust the spin doctors in our government. OK none of what the government position is if the truth be told.

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?You betcha I do. No one kills the most wanted man in the world and quietly disposes of the body in the ocean. Nobody!

LOL..Fruedian wishfull slip, I guess. I feexed my post.

You are not the only one, a local news anchor made the same mistake... YouTube - President Obama is DEAD!!?? FAIL! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP7Ys57ha4&feature=player_embedded)

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?


No. I was cautiously skeptical this morning, but when I got home & saw some of the stories being reported, and see the peeps in the Obama administration watching the whole operation go down, I don't seriously question it now.

You betcha I do. No one kills the most wanted man in the world and quietly disposes of the body in the ocean. Nobody!:popcorn:

The humorous irony here is that you are Mr. KILL 'EM ALL. Now we have knocked off the biggest one and you are putting up resistance and not believing it. :lol:

Why are we giving him any consideration?

We don't want to anger the people that want to kill us

You betcha I do. No one kills the most wanted man in the world and quietly disposes of the body in the ocean. Nobody!

It's happened before. Hitler for instance.

Imagine the backlash if Osama created another video or was found to be alive. Dude is dead and at the bottom of the ocean. Time to move on.

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

What proof is there thus far? The word of a politican from Chicago? I'll reserve judgement until better proof is offered.

:popcorn:

The humorous irony here is that you are Mr. KILL 'EM ALL. Now we have knocked off the biggest one and you are putting up resistance and not believing it. :lol:

that is simply how his little pee wee brain works.

osama is dead. get over it and move on. all of this conspiracy theory bull crap is out of hand. there is no conspiracy here people. we finally got our man. be happy for the fact that the families of the people lost in the 911 attacks can now have some closure.

:popcorn:

The humorous irony here is that you are Mr. KILL 'EM ALL. Now we have knocked off the biggest one and you are putting up resistance and not believing it. :lol:No irony here. You cannot prove that OBL is dead!! Maybe someone was killed in an early morning raid and dumped at sea but you can't say with 100% certainty that it was OBL. They all have look alike doubles. I truely hope he's dead and he probably is but the way the body was disposed of is :bs:.

It's happened before. Hitler for instance.
Imagine the backlash if Osama created another video or was found to be alive. Dude is dead and at the bottom of the ocean. Time to move on.Hitler and his woman were found dead from a self inflicted gunshot. No doubt by anyone.

I will laugh my ass off if a video of OBL surfaces in the future. :killingme

that is simply how his little pee wee brain works.

osama is dead. get over it and move on. all of this conspiracy theory bull crap is out of hand. there is no conspiracy here people. we finally got our man. be happy for the fact that the families of the people lost in the 911 attacks can now have some closure.Says Jesse Ventura Junior! Do I need to go dig up your Jesse thread? :killingme

Go watch TV little boy and leave the conversing with the adults.

Maybe someone was killed in an early morning raid and dumped at sea...Geez, can't you simply be happy about that? :rolleyes:


Hitler and his woman were found dead from a self inflicted gunshot. No doubt by anyone.Check again (http://bit.ly/mmuL68).

OBL is dead, have we've gotten that cynical that when the President of the U.S. announces something as simple as we got a bad guy, we don't believe it?

I mean, I could understand if he was announcing my plan is garuanteed to fix all problems, something nebulous, but he announced OBL death.

Of course I was a little flabberghasted how many times he used the word "I" and so little he used "we" and "they/them", during his speech, but that doesn't mean its NOT true.

And for those trying to start the conspiracy theories, just wait, the mid-east is already ginning up conspiracy theories that will put your's to shame. That is because the mid-east has a culture of emotional decision making and no critical thinking. People are NOT examining the facts and are just going with what is emotionally gratifying as they just make up the truth and then go back and try to come up with reasons and evidence to justify it after they made their conclusion without it.

And what do we see on this thread. All the events and circumstances have perfectly good explanations, if you think about it, or you can NOT bother to think about it, and instead just jump on what is emotionally gratifying.

Try to think for a moment, that the people making these decisions have to make them in a context of larger efforts and possible ramifications than just your personal emotional gratification.

We still have 2.5 wars going on, an entire culture clash with the mid-east that we have to consider, we have hearts and minds to win, and we have pragmatic considerations for having to deal with a backwards regressive culture that will cut off its own nose to spite its face, again and again.

Keep in mind, they are the savages, we are NOT, we do NOT sacrifice our moral code for spiteful revenge, simply because they are worse. i.e. we don't sink to their level. This has been consistantly true throughout this conflict, with countless events as evidence, this event is no different.

There is a lot of ramfications from showing photos of a dead body, remember if it was anyone but OBL, we would consider uncivilized and explotitive to do so. How we quickly and the manner we disposed of the body, again, the decision makers have far more to consider than your own emotional gratification, considering the factors invovled, I would have made the same decision.

Please, lets drop the Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theories, like I said, the mid-east is already ginning them up as we speak. And that might be why they are waiting to release photos of the bodies, they are waiting till after the conspiracy theories take wind, so they can deflate them, they trump the first round of conspiracy theories and discredit the 2nd round. Release the photos immediately, and the conspiracy theories get ahead of you.

OBL is dead,



What proof do you have? A statement by a politician. And before you jump on the DNA bandwagon,; if it wasn't good enough for the Brown-Simpson/Goldman jury...............

Actually mongo, all humans have the capacity to be savages.

If facts and details are presented upfront, it prevents conspiracy theories. Delaying tactics and hidden information and controlled release of that information, inflame conspiracy theories.

It takes a person thinking with logic, not to jump on the bandwagon and say oh goodie, the wicked witch is dead and all of our troubles are over.

We are still at war, with personnel that Obama did not want to pay and swore on his election he'd bring home. We did have a conflict where those same people that Obama didn't want to pay and has disrespected every single day in office are supposed to have killed Osama Bin Laden. Navy Seals, aren't those the ones that Obama wanted court martialed?

Do I believe, respect or trust or president? No, I do not. Especially when it concerns the US military in any way shape or form. His previous track record has demonstrated his beliefs of the military.

I think, an election is coming up.

Whether Osama was captured and is being interogated in a hole somewhere, dead at sea, dead and being forensically investigated, or it was a body double thta got taken out, doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me, is Obama is working this to every media organization he possibly can to assist him in winning his re-election. Funny thing, now it seems Obama did everything all by himself, single handly swooped in and took out the target. Funny. Even more hilarious is his claims to support our troops and pimping out his wife to jump on the band wagon.

Do you seriously believe the president?

Geez, can't you simply be happy about that? :rolleyes: Well.... at least some muslim is dead! :yahoo:



Check again (http://bit.ly/mmuL68). You got me there! :killingme

Adolf Hitler: alive and well and living on the Moon?

Rumours of Hitler’s survival have been widespread for years, with some even claiming he is alive today. While that is unlikely – the Nazi leader would celebrate his 121st birthday in April – the possibility that he made it out of the Berlin bunker has been seriously put forward on several occasions. Here are four of the strangest theories.

Using secret rocket technology, Hitler fled to a Nazi base on the moon
It was also suggested that the Nazis had made contact with UFOs and that they had made it to the Moon as early as 1942. Furthermore, Russian and American astronauts actually made it there in the 1950s, and stayed at a Nazi lunar base.

Hitler is alive and well and staying in San Diego

...that bin Laden sleeps with the fishes?

Seriously?

That he's dead? Yes, he's dead.

I have SOME small doubt that he may have either been dead for a while, but the latest accounts from our military would dispel that, and I believe them a thousand times more than anyone in Washington. If they said they looked him in the eye and shot him, they did.

What I don't like is:

1. He's been there 5-6 years. Not in the tribal areas, but in a fortified compound not far from the capital. The Pakistan government must have known.

2. We had to have known. What I've heard is, we knew last summer. It took this long to kill him? It's a compound - no collateral damage. Why did we do it now?

3. They disposed of the body in record time. I've never known of the death of someone so hotly pursued over so long a time, and have his body so swiftly disposed of. THAT is fishy. I don't know why - maybe he was shot in the back? They just did it so quickly. It's weird.

SOMETHING ain't right, but we'll never know.

They disposed of the body in record time. I've never known of the death of someone so hotly pursued over so long a time, and have his body so swiftly disposed of. THAT is fishy. I don't know why - maybe he was shot in the back? They just did it so quickly. It's weird.

SOMETHING ain't right, but we'll never know.And this is why I'm not convinced. :yay:

Funny thing, now it seems Obama did everything all by himself, single handly swooped in and took out the target.

Do you seriously believe the president?I like the juxtaposition of those two statements. On one hand, you say Oblahma did not execute this mission by himself, yet on the other hand you make this all about him.

If The O was our only source of information here, I would be skeptical also. However, considering that the military is backing up the claim, I am inclined to believe what has been put out there.

I am sure The O will leverage this to his full advantage for the election, absolutely he will, but that is another issue.



You got me there!If you want people to view you as being as kooky as those conspiracy folks, keep going the way you are. :yay: As I'm sure you noticed - since you had to selectively skip over it when C&Ping - the idea that Hitler could have fled to S. America had some level of merit, considering other Nazis did that very thing.

The birth certificate issue is proof that lots of things become believable when people try hard enough.

his bullet riddled corpse should be decorating the National Mall Right now .......
:yay:
You betcha I do. No one kills the most wanted man in the world and quietly disposes of the body in the ocean. Nobody!

Exactly.


I also agree w/ Miggy. Obama is spinning this as if he is the one who busted in and got him. All he did was say "oh you think he's there, go for it" :bigwhoop:

If you want people to view you as being as kooky as those conspiracy folks, keep going the way you are. :yay: As I'm sure you noticed - since you had to selectively skip over it when C&Ping - the idea that Hitler could have fled to S. America had some level of merit, considering other Nazis did that very thing.

The birth certificate issue is proof that lots of things become believable when people try hard enough.And if you want to believe that the most wanted man in the world was killed and just thrown into the sea, go for it. I for one don't just accept at face value an incredibly unbelievable story. And I am not alone.

Here is some good info on Hitler's death. How Hitler Died - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,902253,00.html)

What proof do you have? A statement by a politician. And before you jump on the DNA bandwagon,; if it wasn't good enough for the Brown-Simpson/Goldman jury...............
:killingme So you're saying your no smarter than the O.J. Simpson Jury? Call it a leap of faith, that I do NOT beleive even Barrack Obama would be so bold as to lie to American People about this.

BTW, Pakistan has been arresting all of the surviving family members and entourage of OBL the next day in the town where this happened. Pakistan that acts against us all the time, is cleaning up everything we left behind, hmmmm?

You really think all these Military Servicemen aboard the U.S.S. Carl Vinson and JSOC would sit quiet for such a lie? It would be revealed later on at least, if NOT earlier.

You didn't see the films of the Helicopter burning in the Bin-Ladin Compound and Pakistani's carting off the wreckage the next day?

Actually mongo, all humans have the capacity to be savages.
Dahoy, you don't say, and what do you think seperates civilized society and the wild animals? Maybe the ability to deny that urge to act like a savage, and that is morality, to do the right thing regardless of the consequences, NOT just when its emotionally gratifying.

If facts and details are presented upfront, it prevents conspiracy theories. Delaying tactics and hidden information and controlled release of that information, inflame conspiracy theories.
Yet, the conspiracy theories still happen, you have a point, but the couter-point is just as valid. The lack of photos is NOT that concerning to me, it is very likely a well considered decision to prevent more inflamation of the region over this.

On the other hand, you're arguing they went to all this trouble to fake the killing of OBL, but forgot to doctor up some photos to release right away? Really?

It takes a person thinking with logic, not to jump on the bandwagon and say oh goodie, the wicked witch is dead and all of our troubles are over.
:killingme Have you've been watching the news, all you see from every expert, pundit and leader is that this does NOT end the war on terror. It takes a person with reservation NOT to jump on the band wagon, it takes a person thinking with logic to look at the facts, and NONE of the facts dispute what is claimed, they only support it.

If the evidence isn't good enough for you to accept OBL is dead, then what would be????

We are still at war, with personnel that Obama did not want to pay and swore on his election he'd bring home. We did have a conflict where those same people that Obama didn't want to pay and has disrespected every single day in office are supposed to have killed Osama Bin Laden. Navy Seals, aren't those the ones that Obama wanted court martialed?

Do I believe, respect or trust or president? No, I do not. Especially when it concerns the US military in any way shape or form. His previous track record has demonstrated his beliefs of the military.
I am NO fan of Obama either, and I agree his record stinks. BUT, it sounds like you're letting your emotions toward Obama blind your critical thinking and ignore the evidence.

I think, an election is coming up.
Yea, in a year and half!:killingme If this occurred in October 2012, I would agree the timing would be suspicious. But, any bounce Obama gets from this will disappear by the time $5 a gallon gas rolls around.

There were perfectly good reason why in 1980 the Iranians didn't release the Hostages until Reagan was swore in as President, obvious to most casual observer and confirmed by the Hostages themselves after they were released, as to why the Irianians did that. BUT, still, we wasted tax payers money and people's time with the black helicopter conspiracy theory that was Bush Sr flying an SR-71 to meet Iranian officials to negotiate an illegal deal to make Reagan look good, all because a few die hard idealogues refused to beleive the evidence and instead tried to make political hay out of it. You're doing the same thing here.

Whether Osama was captured and is being interogated in a hole somewhere, dead at sea, dead and being forensically investigated, or it was a body double thta got taken out, doesn't really matter to me. What matters to me, is Obama is working this to every media organization he possibly can to assist him in winning his re-election. Funny thing, now it seems Obama did everything all by himself, single handly swooped in and took out the target. Funny. Even more hilarious is his claims to support our troops and pimping out his wife to jump on the band wagon.
Yes, I noticed that about his speech and was put off about it also, Clinton used to do the same thing, lay claim to every success as his own, sole doing, why suffling off blame to every else. That still doesn't make it true, no matter how distastful it is presented.

And Obama has been on the campaign trail for the last month now, equally distasteful.

You also forgot;

90% of the intelligence that lead to this was developed under the Bush Administration. Obama didn't give him any credit. And, the mere mention that Bush deserves credit, is met by condmenation from Barny Frank that Republicans are trying to politicize this event.
This intelligence was developed, at least in good part, from all the things Obama campaigned and railed against and vowed to stop when he would be become President, but failed to do so.
The intelligence was developed by the very people Obama threatened with Prosecution when he first took office, in appeasement of his hard left base, and likely his own liberal views and perceptions he cultured over the years in the hyperbole against Bush about how evil the things were he was doing, and those intelligence agencies and personnel continued despite this undermining by their own leader.


I don't like Obama, I would argue he does NOT have sole claim to the credit for bagging OBL, far from it. He does deserve some credit. I, and others, should NOT forget his whole record and keep that in context.

Do you seriously believe the president?
Yep, I do, and the other collaborating evidence only cements that belief. I'm NOT going to let my emotions toward the Obama cloud my judgement.

If the evidence isn't good enough for you to accept OBL is dead, then what would be????
May I take a stab at this?

First, I hope beyond all comprehension he's dead, and he probably is. All they had to do was produce the DNA evidence, bring the body back to America, display it for all to see THEN take it out to sea. All broadcast on live TV. So very simple. They displayed Sadaams sons and OBL's lieutenants, why not OBL??

Screw their religious customs!! This man attacked America and killed 3000 Americans on 9/11.

Then I would be satisfied, right now I am not.

And if you want to believe that the most wanted man in the world was killed and just thrown into the sea, go for it. I for one don't just accept at face value an incredibly unbelievable story. And I am not alone.

Here is some good info on Hitler's death. How Hitler Died - TIME (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,902253,00.html)
:killingmeYour comparing apples and oranges, Note that the source about Hitler only makes the point that in the choas of the end of the WWII, and the Russians being the ones that captured Berlin and Hitler's Bunker, some of the details first reported were are later claimed to be incorrect. And today those are the accepted facts today, and they are subtle difference.

We thought Hitler and Eva Bruan shot themselves and had their bodies burned outside the Bunker.

What we later learned, and looks like its true, in the chaos of the end of WWII a few details were wrong.

We now think Hitler and Eva Bruan poisioned themselves with Cyniade annd had their bodies burned outside the Bunker.

Oh, and the Soviets mistook a burned body for that of Hitler's at one point and burried it.

What? The near savage Soviet Army of WWII (that is documented) actually buried what they thought was Hitler's Body in a somewhat respectful and civilized way? Why didn't they put it on display?

:killingmeThats the same as we are faking OBL's death? And the evidence is because we claim we dumped the body into the sea?:killingme

The explanation makes perfect sense, they had been preparing for this with more than enough time to have a team ready with everything considered to extract and document everything from the body for the evidence they would need. There is NO reason to keep the body any longer than a few hours.

The decision to bury the body within 24 hours, as per Muslim dictates, was the civilized thing to do, and done in the context and consideration of bigger efforts going on and pragmantic reasons for dealing with the region and security of people over their. To do it at sea, again, perfectly fine explanation, I've witnessed the radical muslims attempts at manipulating opinion and staging things, etc... You did NOT want that body to somehow every be able to get back into control of those people. A burial at sea was the best decision, within 24 hours, I would have made it myself.

But, if you want to believe that the most wanted man in the world was NOT killed and given a burial at sea, go for it. Despite all the evidence, the logically explanations, that is confirmed by every expert on the culture and region, as well as confirmed by any person that has visited their, and has learned and has some understanding of the culture and region, you go right ahead.

You're evidence of, they just wouldn't dump him in the sea, for those that understand the conflict and the greater context is just absolutely laughable.:killingme

I have to add....

During his administration, Bush said words to the effect of, he wasn't terribly concerned about getting bin Laden. That killing or capturing him wasn't priority one, presumably because unlike Saddam Hussein, cutting off the head of al-Qaeda wouldn't change matters enough.

BUT - that little sound bite about bin Laden made the rounds for months, suggesting he didn't give a crap about it at all. Conservatives, to no avail, kept making the case that his death or capture would only serve to deflect our attention from worldwide terror, because while people were collectively heaving a sigh of relief, the thousands of terror cells would continue as before. So basically, he was right. Getting bin Laden wasn't nearly as important as killing al-Qaeda. He was right about that.

Now that OBL is dead, surprise. Everyone is saying, it ain't over. Well of course it isn't. Same reasoning - terror against the United States doesn't begin and end with Osama bin Laden, so killing him won't put an end to it.

:popcorn:

The humorous irony here is that you are Mr. KILL 'EM ALL. Now we have knocked off the biggest one and you are putting up resistance and not believing it. :lol:


Baja28 This user is on your Ignore List.
Originally Posted by Baja28
You betcha I do. No one kills the most wanted man in the world and quietly disposes of the body in the ocean. Nobody!

There is a reason I have you on my ignore list. YOU are an idiot! Do you really think the entire population of the most elite armed forces group would allow this "lie" to be told? Wait, don't answer that. You have most likely never served your country; have waisted your life in either the construction or bar buisness and have drank most of your brain cells away. Now you have joined the ranks of people like J. Cusic.

What proof is there thus far? The word of a politican from Chicago? I'll reserve judgement until better proof is offered.

You too? Have you not given any consideration to the fact that the HONORABLE men of SEAL team six would not allow this lie to be told if it were not true?

I have little doubt that he is dead or soon will be. We wouldn't dare say it if it wasn't true, one way or another. I wonder, though, why choose to assassinate him rather than capture? Seems like he might have been able to be persuaded to give up some valuable information. A video of him in a prison cell would be sweet too, not that it couldn't be faked too. I can only think of one reason Obama would choose to have him killed.

I have little doubt that he is dead or soon will be. We wouldn't dare say it if it wasn't true, one way or another. I wonder, though, why choose to assassinate him rather than capture? Seems like he might have been able to be persuaded to give up some valuable information. A video of him in a prison cell would be sweet too, not that it couldn't be faked too. I can only think of one reason Obama would choose to have him killed.

Share w/ the class :snacks:

You too? Have you not given any consideration to the fact that the HONORABLE men of SEAL team six would not allow this lie to be told if it were not true?

Those honorable men of Team six could also be ordered to lie and duty bound would probably do it. Orders are orders.

:killingmeYour comparing apples and oranges, Note that the source about Hitler only makes the point that in the choas of the end of the WWII, and the Russians being the ones that captured Berlin and Hitler's Bunker, some of the details first reported were are later claimed to be incorrect. And today those are the accepted facts today, and they are subtle difference.

We thought Hitler and Eva Bruan shot themselves and had their bodies burned outside the Bunker.

What we later learned, and looks like its true, in the chaos of the end of WWII a few details were wrong.

We now think Hitler and Eva Bruan poisioned themselves with Cyniade annd had their bodies burned outside the Bunker.

Oh, and the Soviets mistook a burned body for that of Hitler's at one point and burried it.

What? The near savage Soviet Army of WWII (that is documented) actually buried what they thought was Hitler's Body in a somewhat respectful and civilized way? Why didn't they put it on display?

:killingmeThats the same as we are faking OBL's death? And the evidence is because we claim we dumped the body into the sea?:killingme

The explanation makes perfect sense, they had been preparing for this with more than enough time to have a team ready with everything considered to extract and document everything from the body for the evidence they would need. There is NO reason to keep the body any longer than a few hours.

The decision to bury the body within 24 hours, as per Muslim dictates, was the civilized thing to do, and done in the context and consideration of bigger efforts going on and pragmantic reasons for dealing with the region and security of people over their. To do it at sea, again, perfectly fine explanation, I've witnessed the radical muslims attempts at manipulating opinion and staging things, etc... You did NOT want that body to somehow every be able to get back into control of those people. A burial at sea was the best decision, within 24 hours, I would have made it myself.

But, if you want to believe that the most wanted man in the world was NOT killed and given a burial at sea, go for it. Despite all the evidence, the logically explanations, that is confirmed by every expert on the culture and region, as well as confirmed by any person that has visited their, and has learned and has some understanding of the culture and region, you go right ahead.

You're evidence of, they just wouldn't dump him in the sea, for those that understand the conflict and the greater context is just absolutely laughable.:killingmeNo, no, no, you weren't tracking the posts between me & hvp. The Hitler article was in response to another of his posts. Not comparing Hitler's death to OBL at all.

There is a reason I have you on my ignore list. YOU are an idiot! Do you really think the entire population of the most elite armed forces group would allow this "lie" to be told? Wait, don't answer that. You have most likely never served your country; have waisted your life in either the construction or bar buisness and have drank most of your brain cells away. Now you have joined the ranks of people like J. Cusic.I'm on ignore yet you're reading and quoting... :killingme

You are the idiot. I did serve, probably before your dumbass was born and have been very successful in the construction business. How's that trash truck working out for ya son?

Oh and nice spelling there dropout. :killingme

I have to add....

During his administration, Bush said words to the effect of, he wasn't terribly concerned about getting bin Laden. That killing or capturing him wasn't priority one, presumably because unlike Saddam Hussein, cutting off the head of al-Qaeda wouldn't change matters enough.

BUT - that little sound bite about bin Laden made the rounds for months, suggesting he didn't give a crap about it at all. Conservatives, to no avail, kept making the case that his death or capture would only serve to deflect our attention from worldwide terror, because while people were collectively heaving a sigh of relief, the thousands of terror cells would continue as before. So basically, he was right. Getting bin Laden wasn't nearly as important as killing al-Qaeda. He was right about that.

Now that OBL is dead, surprise. Everyone is saying, it ain't over. Well of course it isn't. Same reasoning - terror against the United States doesn't begin and end with Osama bin Laden, so killing him won't put an end to it.
Sam, again, Thank You for making the point that I never get to being down in the weeds. That is exactly correct.

And just like McCain's 100 year war comment, anyone half eduacated and informed about the conflict understood exactly what he meant. I even believe that most of the media could NOT be so ignorant to NOT know what was the context and meaning of Bush's and McCain's comments were, they simple allowed the misunderstanding to run its course, and didn't try to correct it, because they are biased and wanted to see Bush and McCain to be hurt by the misundertanding, the reaction to it, and the exploitation from political opponents, from their comments.

Killing OBL does very little, although it is powerfully sympolic and that symbolism means alot to many of our enemy. So I would argue its more than just the gratification of seeing the leader of the original attack receive justice. BUT, still agree, it doesn't end it, and we hurt Al-Quadia far worse than killing OBL would have hurt them, years ago.

No, no, no, you weren't tracking the posts between me & hvp. The Hitler article was in response to another of his posts. Not comparing Hitler's death to OBL at all.
If that was NOT your point, my apologies, it certainly appaered you were making a case that some details on Hitler's death being incorrect was somehow proof that people would fake OBL's death.

I still stand by the reason you won't accept OBL's death is because they buried him at sea within 24 hours defies all logic, if you think about it, its perfectly logical, you have to do better than that to make a case the President is faking OBL's death.

Share w/ the class :snacks:

I fear for my safety if I do.

Those honorable men of Team six could also be ordered to lie and duty bound would probably do it. Orders are orders.

They can be ordered to keep quiet but they cannot be ordered to lie under oath say at a congressional hearing. Such an order would be unlawful.

There is a reason I have you on my ignore list. YOU are an idiot! Do you really think the entire population of the most elite armed forces group would allow this "lie" to be told? Wait, don't answer that. You have most likely never served your country; have waisted your life in either the construction or bar buisness and have drank most of your brain cells away. Now you have joined the ranks of people like J. Cusic.

trust me. your not the only one that thinks this guy is an idiot. in fact, he's the biggest idiot on these forums. your doing the right thing by putting him on iggy. i wont ignore him though because i get alot of laughs out of his stupid remarks and anti-everything theories.

They can be ordered to keep quiet but they cannot be ordered to lie under oath say at a congressional hearing. Such an order would be unlawful.

Yeah like that has never happened.

Dahoy, you don't say, and what do you think seperates civilized society and the wild animals? Maybe the ability to deny that urge to act like a savage, and that is morality, to do the right thing regardless of the consequences, NOT just when its emotionally gratifying.


Yet, the conspiracy theories still happen, you have a point, but the couter-point is just as valid. The lack of photos is NOT that concerning to me, it is very likely a well considered decision to prevent more inflamation of the region over this.

On the other hand, you're arguing they went to all this trouble to fake the killing of OBL, but forgot to doctor up some photos to release right away? Really?

If the evidence isn't good enough for you to accept OBL is dead, then what would be????


We don't have the right to subject other people with our code of "morality". BTW, the folks shown on the news acting like hedonists over Osama's death, looks just like the "savages" on the news who burn effigies and such. :shrug:

Actually, I don't have a conspiracy theory. But it is entirely feasible to me that there are many.

As I said before, I personally don't care whether or not Osama is dead. I don't think that it matters in the grand scheme of things.

As for Obama, I do have a dislike of our president, but my only judgement on him is based on his previous actions and inactions.

I'm INTJ, I'm not know for emotions. :shrug:

would it be a good idea to get rid of the body, or at least get it out of the hands of those that would turn it into a symbol to ralley around? yes


It would have been a better idea to wire him with explosives and wait for them to rally around him...

It would have been a better idea to wire him with explosives and wait for them to rally around him...

hey MIG, who is more blood thirsty, folks like ylexot or the libs that were simply celebrating the accomplishment?

hey MIG, who is more blood thirsty, folks like ylexot or the libs that were simply celebrating the accomplishment?

i would be willing to bet that those celebrating in the streets were not all libs. :killingme

hey MIG, who is more blood thirsty, folks like ylexot or the libs that were simply celebrating the accomplishment?

I doubt the libs are bloodthirsty at all, unless you disagree with them. I bet if they could have, they would have rehabilitated Osama and enfolded him into their loving arms.

I am all for a jubilant celebration the evil prick is dead of a gsw to the grape. They are going to hate us and attack regardless, we have tried everything. Perhaps a good old show that we can hate them right back twice as much and be just as savage will work.

hey MIG, who is more blood thirsty, folks like ylexot or the libs that were simply celebrating the accomplishment?

I'm not bloodthirsty. I just believe that when you decide to go to war (which should not be taken lightly *COUGH*Libya*COUGH*), you open the gates of hell. No pulling punches. No tying of hands. No Washington-mandated rules of engagement. You flip the switch and say, "may God have mercy on your soul."

I'm not bloodthirsty. I just think we should kill every one of those savages, and anyone who just happens to be nearby, with a bomb hiden in osama's body."


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doesn't sound bloodthirsty at all :sarcasm:

I'm on ignore yet you're reading and quoting... :killingme

I don't bother telling people I'm ignoring them.

Because then I'm NOT ignoring them.

I do have an ignore list. Why bother telling someone they're on it?

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doesn't sound bloodthirsty at all :sarcasm:

That is called unleashing hell in a war. I don't understand people like you who want to be nice to the enemy.

Those honorable men of Team six could also be ordered to lie and duty bound would probably do it. Orders are orders.

They only have to obey lawful orders. Unlawful, dishonorable orders they do not!

That is called unleashing hell in a war. I don't understand people like you who want to be nice to the enemy.

No kidding. They show no mercy to our soldiers or civilians ####m!

doesn't sound bloodthirsty at all :sarcasm:

It's not bloodthirsty, just pure practicality. Possibly you think it's a better idea to treat the people who are trying to kill you with compassion and generosity, but I do not.

I do not believe people like yourself understand the concept of what war is all about, and what our enemies would like to see happen to us. Some people only understand brutality, and nothing else will stop them. A kind word and a couple of dollars probably won't do the trick - or at least it hasn't in the past.

It's not bloodthirsty, just pure practicality. Possibly you think it's a better idea to treat the people who are trying to kill you with compassion and generosity, but I do not.

I do not believe people like yourself understand the concept of what war is all about, and what our enemies would like to see happen to us. Some people only understand brutality, and nothing else will stop them. A kind word and a couple of dollars probably won't do the trick - or at least it hasn't in the past.
But the reality is even worse than that, our military goes out of its way in everyway possible to minimize risk and causality to civilians, including to the point of increasing the risks to our military greatly.

But, the enemy exploits that and the media to try to manipulate public opinion in an almost laughable obvious tactics. And our media falls for it, and worse yet, we get idiots that just demagogue it like it was fact.

We get idiots on this very forum insisting we kill more civilians than the terrorist, we are the terrorists, etc... They are just absolutely clueless about the reality of what is going on over there.

In getting OBL, I've seen reports we've killed one of his sons, one of his wives, all the males in the compound, etc, etc.... Where are all these liberals hypocrits, crying out about the civilian casualities????
Oh wait, his son was actual an adult son that fought our forces as they entered the compound, as well as all the males in the compound, his wife stood in front of him and shielded him, as OBL hid behind his wife and then tried to attack our forces as he stood behind his wife.

But, you see, that only goes on when a Democrat President could benefit from the success of the mission, when liberals don't like, then all the civilian casualties, we'll quadruple count them, and believe any lie insurgents tell us, and all of them were innocent little girls that had bombs drop on their heads by our forces, just indiscrimentally throwing ordnance all over the place.:bigwhoop:

It's not bloodthirsty, just pure practicality. Possibly you think it's a better idea to treat the people who are trying to kill you with compassion and generosity, but I do not.

I do not believe people like yourself understand the concept of what war is all about, and what our enemies would like to see happen to us. Some people only understand brutality, and nothing else will stop them. A kind word and a couple of dollars probably won't do the trick - or at least it hasn't in the past.

If they were people who were actually trying to kill us, or that we had even declared war upon it might be different. But to me, puttting a bomb in a body and blowing up any person who happens to be in the vacinity is being blood thirsty, and certainly not righteous.

They are just absolutely clueless about the reality of what is going on over there.What a timely statement. Case in point...If they were people who were actually trying to kill us...

What a timely statement. Case in point...

so you have a bomb that only kills people who have the intention of killing us? :killingme

so you have a bomb that only kills people who have the intention of killing us?Sure.

Very accurate, too. All you have to do is show it a picture of the target and say, "Go and hit thatguy. :yay:"

If they were people who were actually trying to kill us, or that we had even declared war upon it might be different. But to me, puttting a bomb in a body and blowing up any person who happens to be in the vacinity is being blood thirsty, and certainly not righteous.

So...you're saying that there are a lot of people who will be mourning and surrounding Bin Laden and love the US (or even just don't care either way)? Riiiiiiight. Wanna buy a bridge?

So...you're saying that there are a lot of people who will be mourning and surrounding Bin Laden and love the US (or even just don't care either way)? Riiiiiiight. Wanna buy a bridge?

so now the criteria to be bombed isn't that they are our enemies or are guilty, just that they dont love the USA?

I dont know who might show up at a funeral for osama, but you dont either, and the "guilt" of the participants would only be speculative.

I have little doubt that he is dead or soon will be. We wouldn't dare say it if it wasn't true, one way or another. I wonder, though, why choose to assassinate him rather than capture? Seems like he might have been able to be persuaded to give up some valuable information. A video of him in a prison cell would be sweet too, not that it couldn't be faked too. I can only think of one reason Obama would choose to have him killed.Why try and capture him when he and his men are firing back at you and using his wife as a sheild?:lol:

Shoot the fool and be done with it.

I've read they've found some good materials at his mansion.

I say we simoltaniously Nuke all of our enimies, fake alies, and any other county that is going to complain about what we did into extinction. I mean completly decimate their countries. If it has DNA its dead. Problem solved.

so now the criteria to be bombed isn't that they are our enemies or are guilty, just that they dont love the USA?

yep thats a good enough reason for me.

so now the criteria to be bombed isn't that they are our enemies or are guilty, just that they dont love the USA?

I dont know who might show up at a funeral for osama, but you dont either, and the "guilt" of the participants would only be speculative.

Welcome to war. It isn't pretty. It shouldn't be pretty. It should be so brutal that no one should wish to see it...neither the initiator nor the retaliator.

I'm not bloodthirsty. I just believe that when you decide to go to war (which should not be taken lightly *COUGH*Libya*COUGH*), you open the gates of hell. No pulling punches. No tying of hands. No Washington-mandated rules of engagement. You flip the switch and say, "may God have mercy on your soul."

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so now the criteria to be bombed isn't that they are our enemies or are guilty, just that they dont love the USA?

I dont know who might show up at a funeral for osama, but you dont either, and the "guilt" of the participants would only be speculative.

Welcome to war. It isn't pretty. It shouldn't be pretty. It should be so brutal that no one should wish to see it...neither the initiator nor the retaliator.

Bombing a funeral would be considered terrorism if the tables were turned. :shrug:

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Bombing a funeral would be considered terrorism if the tables were turned. :shrug:

Those we are fighting very routinely bomb funeral processions..and yes, we call those types terrorists and the bombings of funerals (and cafes..malls..shopping areas..hotels..trains..busses..airplanes..airports..sporting events) terrorist acts. And we have called it that for decades. Where you been?

Those we are fighting very routinely bomb funeral processions..and yes, we call those types terrorists and the bombings of funerals (and cafes..malls..shopping areas..hotels..trains..busses..airplanes..airports..sporting events) terrorist acts. And we have called it that for decades. Where you been?

so then you agree that the USA doing something similar would also be a terroristic act?

Welcome to war. It isn't pretty. It shouldn't be pretty. It should be so brutal that no one should wish to see it...neither the initiator nor the retaliator.Yle, you're wasting your time with these idiots. They are clueless dolts who've never donned the uniform. Pray that they don't procreate.

:gossip: For the dolts, thatguy, laynpipe, letmetellyou, procreate means "to have children".

Where is this Bridge, that is for sale?

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Welcome to war. It isn't pretty. It shouldn't be pretty. It should be so brutal that no one should wish to see it...neither the initiator nor the retaliator.Yle, you're wasting your time with these idiots. They are clueless dolts who've never donned the uniform. Pray that they don't procreate.

:gossip: For the dolts, thatguy, laynpipe, letmetellyou, procreate means "to have children".

As usual nothing intelligent to add to the conversation just a bunch of attacks on the posters.
That's always the sign of a strong argument :sarcasm:

Bwajajajaja

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As usual nothing intelligent to add to the conversation just a bunch of attacks on the posters.
That's always the sign of a strong argument :sarcasm:
Bwajajajaja
I have many intelligent posts. When will you start? :popcorn:
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