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desertrat
06-02-2011, 04:33 PM
This has been on facebook and and I've read a few comments. Don't want to taint this so I'm not saying what they were. Let's hear what actual bike riders have to say. One thing I will note that I haven't actually checked out is I guess it is legal in KY to pass on a solid line in a rural area if it's safe to do so.

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itsbob
06-02-2011, 04:36 PM
This has been on facebook and and I've read a few comments. Don't want to taint this so I'm not saying what they were. Let's hear what actual bike riders have to say. One thing I will note that I haven't actually checked out is I guess it is legal in KY to pass on a solid line if it's safe to do so.

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I'm sure if the person in the pickup truck lives on that road he's tired of bikes flying and racing down the road.

Trying to run the guy off of the road may not have been the answer, but passing him like he did on the double yellow, and screaming down a road that may have a 35 MPH limit (I never saw a speed limit sign) and more than likely making a hell of a racket in a rural community could understand the truck driver getting upset, and "had enough"!.

You want to drive like an idiot on a bike, and show no respect or concern for others, you should expect the same in return.

GWguy
06-02-2011, 04:45 PM
I'm sure if the person in the pickup truck lives on that road he's tired of bikes flying and racing down the road.

Trying to run the guy off of the road may not have been the answer, but passing him like he did on the double yellow, and screaming down a road that may have a 35 MPH limit (I never saw a speed limit sign) and more than likely making a hell of a racket in a rural community could understand the truck driver getting upset, and "had enough"!.

You want to drive like an idiot on a bike, and show no respect or concern for others, you should expect the same in return.

I pretty much agree with this Bob, but regardless of how the truck driver felt, he should be arrested for aggravated assault and/or attempted murder with a deadly weapon (the truck). The truck driver had no call whatever to do what he did.

aps45819
06-02-2011, 04:52 PM
Realizing that most passing zones are placed with cars in mind and not a vehicle that accelerates like a motorcycle, I have on occasion passed on a double yellow. If you've driven Rt.234 out to 301 you know there are long dashed line passing zones on curves where it would be crazy to pass.

Most places the penalty for crossing the double yellow is a fine and/or points. I don't think it should be death at the hands of a pickup driving local.

Baja28
06-02-2011, 06:14 PM
I'll post what I posted on the FB comment.

From a bike rider, the A-hole on the crotchrocket passed on yellow lines. Both should have their license revoked.

baileydog
06-02-2011, 11:23 PM
I bet he tells his friends and people he meets, that he knows that road like the back of his hand, so hes driving ok. I think it was a southen marylander that made that saying famous.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 07:23 AM
I agree, the bike riders were flying down that road, but the guy in the truck totally over reacted, first trying to run him off the road into a tree and then trying to catch up to him, he was driving like an idiot. One person thought the video was a set-up or a fake. I don't think so. I hope the guy in the truck had a real bad day from then on.

glhs837
06-03-2011, 07:41 AM
I'll post what I posted on the FB comment.

From a bike rider, the A-hole on the crotchrocket passed on yellow lines. Both should have their license revoked.

Biker should have his license suspended, truck driver should be up on attempted murder charges. The thing that cracks me up is that he got raged out over the biker being over the double yellow for 2 seconds on a straight away. Then spends maybe 70 seconds to maybe 2 minutes over the double yellow himself, mostly in corners. Bikers an azzhole. Truckers a super-mega azzhole. Like opening up on a neighborhood with a minigun because you saw a kid with a pellet gun shoot at a bird.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 07:46 AM
Biker should have his license suspended, truck driver should be up on attempted murder charges. The thing that cracks me up is that he got raged out over the biker being over the double yellow for 2 seconds on a straight away. Then spends maybe 70 seconds to maybe 2 minutes over the double yellow himself, mostly in corners. Bikers an azzhole. Truckers a super-mega azzhole. Like opening up on a neighborhood with a minigun because you saw a kid with a pellet gun shoot at a bird.

Why should the biker have his license suspended? Speeding or passing on a solid line? I don't think either are suspendable offenses.

mAlice
06-03-2011, 07:52 AM
At about 1:10 into it, there is a shot looking at the front of the truck. This makes me suspicious of the accusation. I think it was staged.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 08:03 AM
At about 1:10 into it, there is a shot looking at the front of the truck. This makes me suspicious of the accusation. I think it was staged.

Are you sure that is the front? I sure think I see an ATV parked there if it is. I had to look at that several times before I decided they were just playing that part of the video in reverse. Besides if it was from the front there had to have been a bike in front of the one that almost got ran off. Where is he in the first part of the video?

belvak
06-03-2011, 08:13 AM
At about 1:10 into it, there is a shot looking at the front of the truck. This makes me suspicious of the accusation. I think it was staged.

I saw that too. I have to wonder if the two bikers weren't out to have some "fun" with cars. Otherwise, why would they have had the camera running in the first place? Either way, they were both in the wrong.

GWguy
06-03-2011, 08:17 AM
I saw that too. I have to wonder if the two bikers weren't out to have some "fun" with cars. Otherwise, why would they have had the camera running in the first place? Either way, they were both in the wrong.

Not uncommon for bikers to wear cams while riding like that, especially in places like the Dragon or Blue Ridge. One facing forward, one facing back so both riders are in the video.

glhs837
06-03-2011, 08:19 AM
Why should the biker have his license suspended? Speeding or passing on a solid line? I don't think either are suspendable offenses.

At about 1:10 into it, there is a shot looking at the front of the truck. This makes me suspicious of the accusation. I think it was staged.

I saw that too. I have to wonder if the two bikers weren't out to have some "fun" with cars. Otherwise, why would they have had the camera running in the first place? Either way, they were both in the wrong.

Watch carefully, that is the pass seen playing backwards. They rewound the tape, so to speak, so you could see it again.

As for why record, lots of motorsports folks do that. I have videos I have shot both on my bike and in my car.

DR, driving that way on a roadway like that is most likely reckless driving under state law. Given the amount of driveways and such, speeds like these guys were pulling is very dangerous. Making the assumption that nobody is pulling out of a driveway around a corner is asking for it. So, its not the pass, but the driving overall.

vraiblonde
06-03-2011, 08:23 AM
Interesting how people see things so differently. I saw a truck driver who is driving like a maniac, all over the place, cutting every curve - nothing personal against the biker.

If indeed the truck was trying to chase the bike down, Young Bubba is in the wrong. #1, passing someone isn't a sin. #2, when someone does cut you off or commit some other vehicular danger, you don't chase them down - you think, "What an idiot!" and go on about your merry way.

And I agree with mAlice that it's probably staged. I think people put these videos together as a social experiment to see how different people will react.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 08:30 AM
Watch carefully, that is the pass seen playing backwards. They rewound the tape, so to speak, so you could see it again.

As for why record, lots of motorsports folks do that. I have videos I have shot both on my bike and in my car.

DR, driving that way on a roadway like that is most likely reckless driving under state law. Given the amount of driveways and such, speeds like these guys were pulling is very dangerous. Making the assumption that nobody is pulling out of a driveway around a corner is asking for it. So, its not the pass, but the driving overall.

Yep, it took me about three times looking at it. I knew it didn't look right the first time.

Definately reckless.

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 08:34 AM
Realizing that most passing zones are placed with cars in mind and not a vehicle that accelerates like a motorcycle, I have on occasion passed on a double yellow. If you've driven Rt.234 out to 301 you know there are long dashed line passing zones on curves where it would be crazy to pass.

Most places the penalty for crossing the double yellow is a fine and/or points. I don't think it should be death at the hands of a pickup driving local.A double yellow means no passing. Nowhere is it written that it's okay for a biker. It was illegal what he did and what you did. Both the truck driver ans the biker should be locked up for many violations!

RoseRed
06-03-2011, 08:35 AM
Interesting how people see things so differently. I saw a truck driver who is driving like a maniac, all over the place, cutting every curve - nothing personal against the biker.

If indeed the truck was trying to chase the bike down, Young Bubba is in the wrong. #1, passing someone isn't a sin. #2, when someone does cut you off or commit some other vehicular danger, you don't chase them down - you think, "What an idiot!" and go on about your merry way.

And I agree with mAlice that it's probably staged. I think people put these videos together as a social experiment to see how different people will react.

:lmao: Memories...

Chasey_Lane
06-03-2011, 08:36 AM
Interesting how people see things so differently. I saw a truck driver who is driving like a maniac, all over the place, cutting every curve - nothing personal against the biker.



My reaction as well, but I think the intitial cut-off with the biker involved was intentional.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 08:44 AM
My reaction as well, but I think the intitial cut-off with the biker involved was intentional.

Yep, he seemed to be just cruising along before that. Then he definitely picked up speed and was cutting all the corners in an effort to catch him. Like that was going to happen.

glhs837
06-03-2011, 08:57 AM
A double yellow means no passing. Nowhere is it written that it's okay for a biker. It was illegal what he did and what you did. Both the truck driver ans the biker should be locked up for many violations!

Not so fast, there are exceptions to every rule. Not here in MD, but in at least two states.....

Double-yellow line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line)

In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples.[3] Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side.[4]

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 09:05 AM
Not so fast, there are exceptions to every rule. Not here in MD, but in at least two states.....

Double-yellow line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line)

In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples.[3] Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side.[4]Does that include Kentucky? It was illegal.

glhs837
06-03-2011, 09:12 AM
Do you know that is doesnt? I would say, rather than "It was illegal", that it might have been. In any case he was driving in an illegal manner regarding speed, so the pass is sort of irrelevant.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 09:13 AM
Not so fast, there are exceptions to every rule. Not here in MD, but in at least two states.....

Double-yellow line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-yellow_line)

In some states, it is not against the law to overtake vehicles in the presence of solid yellow lines if it is safe to do so. Section 3303 and 3305 of the Pennsylvania driver code are examples.[3] Vermont State Law also allows passing of the double yellow line when no traffic is on the opposing side, however, one must pass quickly and return to the proper side.[4]

Yep, I mentioned that I "heard" it may be legal there in my first post. Their speeds certainly were not though.

belvak
06-03-2011, 09:18 AM
Not uncommon for bikers to wear cams while riding like that, especially in places like the Dragon or Blue Ridge. One facing forward, one facing back so both riders are in the video.

Watch carefully, that is the pass seen playing backwards. They rewound the tape, so to speak, so you could see it again.

As for why record, lots of motorsports folks do that. I have videos I have shot both on my bike and in my car.

:buddies:

My reaction as well, but I think the intitial cut-off with the biker involved was intentional.

It definitely seemed they were "baiting" the truck driver. Doesn't make what the truck driver did okay though.

aps45819
06-03-2011, 09:29 AM
Does that include Kentucky? It was illegal.
I'll bet the penalty for passing on a double yellow does not include being slammed into a ditch on the side of the road


It definitely seemed they were "baiting" the truck driver. Doesn't make what the truck driver did okay though.

:confused: how does passing = baiting?

Chasey_Lane
06-03-2011, 09:35 AM
:confused: how does passing = baiting?

There's no way to know what happened before the camera started filming. The bikers could have been playing w/the trucker, and the trucker finally had enough.

belvak
06-03-2011, 09:44 AM
:confused: how does passing = baiting?

It doesn't. It was just an impression I got from the video. Especially since it went on for about nine minutes when the initial pass happened very early in the video. It just gave me the feeling that they may have been "playing" with the truck driver, or had done something similar before.

aps45819
06-03-2011, 10:25 AM
It doesn't. It was just an impression I got from the video. Especially since it went on for about nine minutes when the initial pass happened very early in the video. It just gave me the feeling that they may have been "playing" with the truck driver, or had done something similar before.

He comes up behind the pickup at about 1 minute into the video and then almost immediately passes him. Don't see how this rider was "playing" him.

Perhaps other riders had in the past :shrug:


There are a lot of a$$holes on the road that think it's clever to intimidate other drivers. I've had folks try to rub their bumper on my back tire

2lazy2P
06-03-2011, 10:32 AM
Perhaps other riders had in the past :shrug:

Take it for what it's worth - but this was posted on another forum by supposedly the guy on the bike involved.

http://www.kentucky-sportbikes.com/show … #post49485 (http://www.kentucky-sportbikes.com/show … #post49485)


Hey guys,Yes its me.We are working with the local authorities to bring this POS to justice.They are not interested in the double yellow pass.It was a good pass.The truck was slow moving and it was within the law.

No arrest made yet.The truck was not resistered to the driver.

This guy had it out for sportbikes ue to some one on one allegedly running his mom of the road at some point.Per douchbag.
He would have attempted something if we passed or not.

Really wanted to rip his head off but refrained as other people passing would have witnessed 2 bikers beating on one guy.It would have made a bad situation worse and I wanted the police to handle it.An a$$ wopping fades after a while,legal action can hang around a while.

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 04:13 PM
Do you know that is doesnt? I would say, rather than "It was illegal", that it might have been. In any case he was driving in an illegal manner regarding speed, so the pass is sort of irrelevant.Google is your friend. Look up Kentucky laws of the road. Does not state it is legal to pass on a double solid line. In fact it does say it is ILLEGAL!

http://transportation.ky.gov/drlic/Drivers_Manual/Sections/dm3.pdf

You may not pass when there is a solid yellow center line on your side of the
road.

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 04:17 PM
I'll bet the penalty for passing on a double yellow does not include being slammed into a ditch on the side of the roadIf you feel compelled to do stupid things you should expect stupid things in return.

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 04:23 PM
Some people feel they are above the law. Unfortunately this is one reason why people get killed.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 04:43 PM
If you feel compelled to do stupid things you should expect stupid things in return.

Looks like he did and handled it pretty well. Thanks for looking up the law, I'd say they are all in for some court time.

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 04:50 PM
Looks like he did and handled it pretty well. Thanks for looking up the law, I'd say they are all in for some court time.Yes, but don't get me wrong. The truck driver needs to be put away for a long time and the biker needs his motorcycle license taken away.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 05:02 PM
Yes, but don't get me wrong. The truck driver needs to be put away for a long time and the biker needs his motorcycle license taken away.

Nah, what he did was illegal and the way he was riding was reckless. Should warrant a fine and possible suspension in my book. Biker probably won't be in one piece in a few years anyway if he keeps that up.

Dutch6
06-03-2011, 05:46 PM
Nah, what he did was illegal and the way he was riding was reckless. Should warrant a fine and possible suspension in my book. Biker probably won't be in one piece in a few years anyway if he keeps that up.You are definitely right about his time left. The ones who do that sort of thing must think they are invincible. I think it's just a lack of grey matter.

BadGirl
06-03-2011, 05:51 PM
Imagine, if you will, buying a home in a very rural setting, waking to the sounds of cows mooing, and the steady low hum of tractors working the fields...

Then one day you wake up and realize your rural country road has turned into the Dragon's Tail??

How receptive would YOU be to the bikes and bikers screaming down your road every day, day after day, night after night?

These are high revving, NOISY bikes. As loud, if not louder than a Harley with straight pipes.. A different frequency noise but as loud or louder... Wouldn't take me long to get frustrated, and what's funny as the bikers out there doing it would be just as furious if the same thing was going on on the road THEY lived on.

desertrat
06-03-2011, 06:15 PM
Imagine, if you will, buying a home in a very rural setting, waking to the sounds of cows mooing, and the steady low hum of tractors working the fields...

Then one day you wake up and realize your rural country road has turned into the Dragon's Tail??

How receptive would YOU be to the bikes and bikers screaming down your road every day, day after day, night after night?

These are high revving, NOISY bikes. As loud, if not louder than a Harley with straight pipes.. A different frequency noise but as loud or louder... Wouldn't take me long to get frustrated, and what's funny as the bikers out there doing it would be just as furious if the same thing was going on on the road THEY lived on.

I think I would tend to leave objects in the road. Like hay bales, little piles of straw or hubcaps. You know, just to make their ride more interesting. Especially by the houses.

EmptyTimCup
06-03-2011, 07:53 PM
Car Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Wars)



:whistle:



Bikers - Speeding way over the limit = azzholes

Truck Driver = Super Azzhole ... probably fed up with constant crotch rockets speeding by - Still Wrong .... should face some attempted man slaughter / murder charge



one really does not want be driving on 210 between Oxon Hill and Accokeek / 228 in nice weather - The Africans go zooming by at speeds in excess of 90 ... (I have been passed while driving 65 -70 like I was backing up) on their Kamikaze Crotch Rockets, its a wonder 210 isn't line with white crosses



:popcorn:

bohman
06-05-2011, 09:26 AM
I agree, the bike riders were flying down that road, but the guy in the truck totally over reacted, first trying to run him off the road into a tree and then trying to catch up to him, he was driving like an idiot. One person thought the video was a set-up or a fake. I don't think so. I hope the guy in the truck had a real bad day from then on.

I don't think so either. Obviously we don't know what happened before the video starts but it looked genuine to me.

:buddies:



It definitely seemed they were "baiting" the truck driver. Doesn't make what the truck driver did okay though.

IMO, it didn't look like baiting. It looked like they were caught completely unaware by the reaction to their driving style. As the narrator points out in the beginning, bikers love that road. And if you can find a single one of them that is going closer to the speed limit than the cars on the road, I'll give you a dollar. Guy in the truck had reached his breaking point. (And no, his actions weren't justified. It was attempted murder, IMO.)

I hope no one in this forum takes it personally when I point out that there are plenty of bikers who don't think the same rules apply to them as they do to cars & trucks. And I can understand the frustration, because traffic laws exist to govern clueless people in large vehicles that can't stop or turn worth a crap. Riding a fast, agile vehicle and doing it well must be enormously frustrating when you aren't allowed to come even close to your potential.

I think the truck driver should cool off in jail for few days. Or longer, if you're really going to call it attempted homicide. But bike riders shouldn't act so surprised when drivers get pissed at them for going much too fast. People get pissed when they get passed on a double yellow. :shrug:

desertrat
06-05-2011, 09:29 AM
I don't think so either. Obviously we don't know what happened before the video starts but it looked genuine to me.



IMO, it didn't look like baiting. It looked like they were caught completely unaware by the reaction to their driving style. As the narrator points out in the beginning, bikers love that road. And if you can find a single one of them that is going closer to the speed limit than the cars on the road, I'll give you a dollar. Guy in the truck had reached his breaking point. (And no, his actions weren't justified. It was attempted murder, IMO.)

I hope no one in this forum takes it personally when I point out that there are plenty of bikers who don't think the same rules apply to them as they do to cars & trucks. And I can understand the frustration, because traffic laws exist to govern clueless people in large vehicles that can't stop or turn worth a crap. Riding a fast, agile vehicle and doing it well must be enormously frustrating when you aren't allowed to come even close to your potential.

I think the truck driver should cool off in jail for few days. Or longer, if you're really going to call it attempted homicide. But bike riders shouldn't act so surprised when drivers get pissed at them for going much too fast. People get pissed when they get passed on a double yellow. :shrug:

Doesn't bother me unless I have to slow down or move over when they misjudge. Of course that can happen even in a passing zone.

bohman
06-05-2011, 11:00 AM
Doesn't bother me unless I have to slow down or move over when they misjudge. Of course that can happen even in a passing zone.

Doesn't bother me much either, unless I see them do something in the process that endangers me or the oncoming drivers.

Of course the appropriate response to that annoyance would be flipping them off, or calling in the plate number. Not running them down.

vraiblonde
06-05-2011, 11:07 AM
I try to stay away from motorcyclists when I'm driving. Many of them are reckless and aggressive, and all of them are more difficult to see. Yes, I realize that if they decide to take me on, I'll come out on the winning end, but typically I'm busy on my way somewhere and don't care to be delayed because some idiot biker decided to commit suicide using my vehicle.

This is not a reflection on cautious bikers, so don't get defensive - I'm talking about the ones who really have no business on a motorcycle (or any other vehicle) in the first place.


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