It ain't pretty but, the kid is a winner! :buddies:

Passion. How refreshing.

Against Miami... Isn't really saying much..::bigwhoop:

Against Miami... Isn't really saying much..::bigwhoop:

:yeahthat:

:lalala:Against Miami... Isn't really saying much..::bigwhoop:

Journey of a thousand steps...

:buddies:

Against Miami... Isn't really saying much..::bigwhoop:
15 points in less than 3 minutes against any NFL team is saying much.

Dude has a long way to go but "he's got guts" as ol' Joe Gibbs would say.:lol:

15 points in less than 3 minutes against any NFL team is saying much.

Dude has a long way to go but "he's got guts" as ol' Joe Gibbs would say.:lol:

Yup. It's the intangible; a 'winner'. A football game has all sorts of ebb and flow to it. Making plays when it matters most...matters most.

Yup. It's the intangible; a 'winner'. A football game has all sorts of ebb and flow to it. Making plays when it matters most...matters most.

LOL we'll see how it matters when he's picking Suh out of his facemask this week...:buddies:

LOL we'll see how it matters when he's picking Suh out of his facemask this week...:buddies:

Well, then there is that. Hey, he may be a bust. He, for sure, has GOT to learn to read MUCH quicker. That, he can do. As for the intangibles, the pure athleticism, fun to watch. Like Vick. Steve Young. Randal Cunningham.

:buddies:

Well, then there is that. Hey, he may be a bust. He, for sure, has GOT to learn to read MUCH quicker. That, he can do. As for the intangibles, the pure athleticism, fun to watch. Like Vick. Steve Young. Randal Cunningham.

:buddies:

I can't stand him......his goody two shoes demeanor just makes me want to throw up....

Don't get me wrong, it's much better than the normal thuggish, narcissitic, criminal record we have grown accustomed to in sports..

But the people I want to strangle at work on a regular basis are the ones who are just always so damn happy to be there..:killingme

I can't stand him......his goody two shoes demeanor just makes me want to throw up....

Don't get me wrong, it's much better than the normal thuggish, narcissitic, criminal record we have grown accustomed to in sports..

But the people I want to strangle at work on a regular basis are the ones who are just always so damn happy to be there..:killingme

See? You should feel rotten about yourself! :lol: You don't like happy people!

See? You should feel rotten about yourself! :lol: You don't like happy people!

No way Larry! If I was that person I would kick my own a$$....:killingme

He has his moments but I don't see him as a consistent great quarterback. I see him more as a Vick that has his moments but never a complete season.

I can't stand him......his goody two shoes demeanor just makes me want to throw up....

Don't get me wrong, it's much better than the normal thuggish, narcissitic, criminal record we have grown accustomed to in sports..

But the people I want to strangle at work on a regular basis are the ones who are just always so damn happy to be there..:killingme

He is a walking Grammy speech... "First I like to thank my lord savior Jesus Christ"....... Yeah, he is annoying!

Soooooo, how's that Tebow kid lookin' today? :killingme

37 yards and a blaze of glory!

37 yards and a blaze of glory!

Any given Sunday! :coffee:

Any given Sunday! :coffee:

He's only been sacked 5 times:killingme

Not good.

:jameo:

Also, I was opposed to the Skins going after Cam. I can cross GM off the 'to do' list. :lol:

Cam ain't winning but, man, he is more accurate than I ever saw in college.

4-1 as starter.


4 and 1



This reminds me of McNabbs first year starting. He'd beat people running on third down.

4-1 as starter.


4 and 1



This reminds me of McNabbs first year starting. He'd beat people running on third down.

Praise Jesus!

4-1 as starter.


4 and 1



This reminds me of McNabbs first year starting. He'd beat people running on third down.

Don't put your boner underwear on just yet. I think last night was more about exposing the Jets as a mediocre team than anything. Let's see how he does the next five games, then I might drink the kool aid

What Tim Tebow is:

A football player
A leader
A winner
A competitor
Fun to watch
Annoying
Hard not to like
Probably a cool dude to have as a buddy

What Tim Tebow is not:

An NFL quarterback

Again, what Tim Tebow is:

A solid, winning football player who plays the position traditionally referred to as quarterback, which we know only because he starts each play with his hands under the center's butt.

What Tim Tebow is:

A football player
A leader
A winner
A competitor
Fun to watch
Annoying
Hard not to like
Probably a cool dude to have as a buddy

What Tim Tebow is not:

An NFL quarterback

Again, what Tim Tebow is:

A solid, winning football player who plays the position traditionally referred to as quarterback, which we know only because he starts each play with his hands under the center's butt.
Respectfully disagree. I know plenty who can't stomach him :buddies:

Respectfully disagree. I know plenty who can't stomach him :buddies:

No doubt. I listed annoying myself. :lol:

What Tim Tebow is not:

An NFL quarterback



Thou art casting-eth thine stones. :nono:

Broncos' Tim Tebow not judging fans with Jesus jerseys - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19349658)

It is written that Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father.

Anyone ever wonder why Tim Tebow​ was born left-handed?

What Tim Tebow is:

A football player
A leader
A winner
A competitor
Fun to watch
Annoying
Hard not to like
Probably a cool dude to have as a buddy

What Tim Tebow is not:

An NFL quarterback

Again, what Tim Tebow is:

A solid, winning football player who plays the position traditionally referred to as quarterback, which we know only because he starts each play with his hands under the center's butt.

Right now, Tebow is a winning NFL QB with a 4-1 record (which is the only way QB's are gauged, really - W's vs L's), and his team that is all in with him are in the playoff hunt.

Like it or not.

Like a classic TV/radio commercial around here from Tire Kingdom:

"Tires ain't pretty, but you gotta have 'em."

Ok...after today I am praising Jesus and finding a church to start going to!!!

Anyone see the pass on 3rd down before the late tying FG? He hit the WR and the guy just dropped it for a TD.

I'd say he's doing just fine on this whole QB development thing.

Give it up for the Tebows, and their definite leader. The team has complete bought into him and whatever plan they have.

I couldn't stand him at Fl just because he was a stinking limpid lizard, but I always liked the guy for who he is and his absolute unabashed stance on Christianity.

That has not changed, and I hope he does not change or cave into PC because of all the bashing of his beliefs and stance going on in the media.

Thou art casting-eth thine stones. :nono:

Broncos' Tim Tebow not judging fans with Jesus jerseys - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19349658)

What? I wasn't casting stones I was praising Tebow. All hail Tebow!

Right now, Tebow is a winning NFL QB with a 4-1 record (which is the only way QB's are gauged, really - W's vs L's), and his team that is all in with him are in the playoff hunt.

Like it or not.

Like a classic TV/radio commercial around here from Tire Kingdom:

"Tires ain't pretty, but you gotta have 'em."

Yeah, that's what I said - he's a solid, winning football player that happens to, more often than not, take the snaps from center which means he plays the position traditionally referred to as quarterback. He's also a leader, fun to watch, and hard not to like.

If it wasn't clear enough from my first post, I'm in the like column not the not like column.

So...yeah, you Tebow haters are going to Hell.:popcorn:

Yeah, that's what I said - he's a solid, winning football player that happens to, more often than not, take the snaps from center which means he plays the position traditionally referred to as quarterback. He's also a leader, fun to watch, and hard not to like.

If it wasn't clear enough from my first post, I'm in the like column not the not like column.

There is no 'not like' column. There is 'like' and there is 'starting to like'

People like authenticity and sincerity and humility and people love winning.

In this age of big shot starts that kill their dogs, dictate for whom and where they will play, drink beer during games, faux faith and so on, the guy is just fun to watch, an exceptional athlete and competitive as all...hell.

:buddies:

There is no 'not like' column. There is 'like' and there is 'starting to like'

People like authenticity and sincerity and humility and people love winning.

In this age of big shot starts that kill their dogs, dictate for whom and where they will play, drink beer during games, faux faith and so on, the guy is just fun to watch, an exceptional athlete and competitive as all...hell.

:buddies:

Also, because this is extremely important in football...he is a total fricken Hottie. I would swipe that Vcard like paris hilton swipes her black card. :drool:


carry on. :coffee:

Also, because this is extremely important in football...he is a total fricken Hottie. I would swipe that Vcard like paris hilton swipes her black card. :drool:


carry on. :coffee:

You and Sandusky. One track minds.

:evil:

:lol:

So...yeah, you Tebow haters are going to Hell.:popcorn:


Well, whomever gets there first needs to figure out how to keep the beer cold and get us a good TV signal :biggrin: :lol:

So...yeah, you Tebow haters are going to Hell.:popcorn:

:shrug: In heaven there is no beer.

:shrug: In heaven there is no beer.

In hell, there is beer.

But, no ice.

:jameo:

In hell, there is beer.

But, no ice.

:jameo:


Is their electricity? I mean, maybe one of us can ask for an ice box when we die to be put in the casket with us :lmao:

Is their electricity? I mean, maybe one of us can ask for an ice box when we die to be put in the casket with us :lmao:

Yes, but, it won't work on our gear. That's why it's hell.

Yes, but, it won't work on our gear. That's why it's hell.


Guess I better start practicing drinking warm beer :frown:

I'm trying to get my head around what I think of Tebow. He's certainly demonstrated winning so far, and like most think, I think he's fun to watch and his attitude contagious. Yesterday I watched the end of the match with the Vikings. When I looked at the score and the clock, it just fit the 'Tebow' model of 3:00 to go and a catch-up, tie, and win....and sure enough.

But what gets in my way of thinking may partly be my own paradigm that this way of playing doesn't work in the NFL (or at least for very long).

It's isn't like option ball is anything new. Or, I'm scratching my head wondering why anyone else never plays option in the pros. I'm sure this is a question that's been answered many times at the coaching level. Why does option ball work in college ball, but not the pros...(rhetorical question)

And maybe the Broncos goal FOR NOW really is to build the team around him and develop him in the passing game for balance, but somehow I just can't get past this style of play as having any kind of medium or long term success. Maybe I just don't think running QBs can go 16 games (or more).

Can't argue with 5-in-a-row or 6-1, though, right? Yet I feel like I'm waiting for what I think (that it doesn't work) to be proven correct. Maybe I'm not alone in that regard, or maybe I am. :shrug:

I'm trying to get my head around what I think of Tebow. He's certainly demonstrated winning so far, and like most think, I think he's fun to watch and his attitude contagious. Yesterday I watched the end of the match with the Vikings. When I looked at the score and the clock, it just fit the 'Tebow' model of 3:00 to go and a catch-up, tie, and win....and sure enough.

But what gets in my way of thinking may partly be my own paradigm that this way of playing doesn't work in the NFL (or at least for very long).

It's isn't like option ball is anything new. Or, I'm scratching my head wondering why anyone else never plays option in the pros. I'm sure this is a question that's been answered many times at the coaching level. Why does option ball work in college ball, but not the pros...(rhetorical question)

And maybe the Broncos goal FOR NOW really is to build the team around him and develop him in the passing game for balance, but somehow I just can't get past this style of play as having any kind of medium or long term success. Maybe I just don't think running QBs can go 16 games (or more).

Can't argue with 5-in-a-row or 6-1, though, right? Yet I feel like I'm waiting for what I think (that it doesn't work) to be proven correct. Maybe I'm not alone in that regard, or maybe I am. :shrug:

I think you, like a lot of NFL fans, are WAY over thinking this. Right now, he is a whole new thing; not just a running QB or a very athletic QB but, a brute at QB. He is big, fast, strong and has an immense will to win.

How many QB's has the league seen come and go who had all the goods as per the experts? Proper form, foot work, release point, etc and could learn the pro game but, just never won all that much?

I suggest forgetting about what he is or isn't, what he should or shouldn't be and just enjoy the pure joy and competitiveness he brings to the game. Whatever else he is, he is a very unique and special player.

:buddies:

I think you, like a lot of NFL fans, are WAY over thinking this. Right now, he is a whole new thing; not just a running QB or a very athletic QB but, a brute at QB. He is big, fast, strong and has an immense will to win.

How many QB's has the league seen come and go who had all the goods as per the experts? Proper form, foot work, release point, etc and could learn the pro game but, just never won all that much?

I suggest forgetting about what he is or isn't, what he should or shouldn't be and just enjoy the pure joy and competitiveness he brings to the game. Whatever else he is, he is a very unique and special player.

:buddies:
Oh, I'm definitely over thinking it for sure (over thinking is something I do a lot), :lol: and do appreciate what he is bringing to the game, I'm actually awed some by it. When I look at the game match-ups each week, I look at the Broncos game closer than most of the others because of it. :lol:

Definitely is as you're saying it, a special and unique player.

Whatever else he is, he is a very unique and special player.

:buddies:

Would you build your team around him?

Would you build your team around him?

NO:buddies:

:shrug: In heaven there is no beer.
I don't like beer.:lol:

Would you build your team around him?

Absolutely.

I loved him in college and for the same things he does now; just a hard core competitor. It always amazed me the knocks on him; poor mechanics, poor footwork, not accurate enough, won't be able to make NFL reads quick enough and I was like "yeah, and let's start the list of how many kids had all those traits but, just couldn't translate it to success in the NFL..." He, clearly, was the reason why the Gators won. Not in spite of him.

To me, he's got that Joe Montana/Joe Theisman thing; Montana's knack of making plays when he needed to and T's 'you'll have to kill me before I back off' fight about him.

Rogers is the class of the NFL right now and he is stunningly accurate and, clearly a competitor as well. If he is the standard then, OK, Tebow ain't the guy. However, Rogers has weapons galore and a first rate O line coupled with an opportunistic D. Not bad things to go along with technical excellence.

Maybe I haven't seen enough of him but, what I have seen is he is learning to make his reads and, for damn sure, is trying. Jason Campbell did the same thing the first year or so of starts; buy time and never quit on the play. You can learn when to get rid of it but, you can't teach a guy that focus in the maelstrom, the absolute will to keep alive and FIND someone.

Add to that Tebow's instincts on when to take off seem good.

Add to that, and I get this from the highlights, he is decisive; either keep looking OR run. Then, on that one play, he was about to run, fading left, fading left, wait, wait, nothing...run, NO! There he is!!! BAM!!! And he gets rid of it QUICK. Jason would do the same thing but, get sacked halfway through his 30 second wind ups.

Bottom line is Denver really wasn't a serious playoff team and now they are. Did the skill people get better? The D suddenly learn to read and react and make plays? O line get better? Tim is one of those Montana types that just exude that 'As long as I am still breathing, we got a chance and, boy oh boy, ain't this fun?' Sonny thing and the team, at least for now, to a man, seems to be of the 'I am not going to be the guy to mess this up' mindset.

He's a leader. Tilted points out that he isn't a textbook QB, just a guy playing that position. Partially fair, I think. In my NFL dictionary right next to QB is the definition;

Team leader.

He may as well have a sword and shield. He's leading the charge and his team is following him. They are becoming the team no one is going to wanna face in the playoffs; a team on a mission where evderyone is pitching in and pulling in the same direction.

Next season will be the real test. Does he continue to develop? Become better in the pocket, better reads, moving in the direction where he can go 25 of 36, 3 tds and a pick and run less.

Also rerminds me of a big Steve Young.

And, you've been waiting for this, the joy of St. Brett. :lol:

:buddies:

I think, being teams are only looking at a small view of tape, on the new offense style Denver is ploying, it gives them a good advantage... But I do believe, once there is plenty of film to study, if Tebow hasn't picked up the throwing game, it's going to get ugly.

I mean, to me, it's kind of like a full all game wildcat offense :shrug:





Then I also know, it bothers me, that currently we have a Florida QB who I can run and possibly drink the 40 faster than :lmao:

Absolutely.

I loved him in college and for the same things he does now; just a hard core competitor. It always amazed me the knocks on him; poor mechanics, poor footwork, not accurate enough, won't be able to make NFL reads quick enough and I was like "yeah, and let's start the list of how many kids had all those traits but, just couldn't translate it to success in the NFL..." He, clearly, was the reason why the Gators won. Not in spite of him.

To me, he's got that Joe Montana/Joe Theisman thing; Montana's knack of making plays when he needed to and T's 'you'll have to kill me before I back off' fight about him.

Rogers is the class of the NFL right now and he is stunningly accurate and, clearly a competitor as well. If he is the standard then, OK, Tebow ain't the guy. However, Rogers has weapons galore and a first rate O line coupled with an opportunistic D. Not bad things to go along with technical excellence.

Maybe I haven't seen enough of him but, what I have seen is he is learning to make his reads and, for damn sure, is trying. Jason Campbell did the same thing the first year or so of starts; buy time and never quit on the play. You can learn when to get rid of it but, you can't teach a guy that focus in the maelstrom, the absolute will to keep alive and FIND someone.

Add to that Tebow's instincts on when to take off seem good.

Add to that, and I get this from the highlights, he is decisive; either keep looking OR run. Then, on that one play, he was about to run, fading left, fading left, wait, wait, nothing...run, NO! There he is!!! BAM!!! And he gets rid of it QUICK. Jason would do the same thing but, get sacked halfway through his 30 second wind ups.

Bottom line is Denver really wasn't a serious playoff team and now they are. Did the skill people get better? The D suddenly learn to read and react and make plays? O line get better? Tim is one of those Montana types that just exude that 'As long as I am still breathing, we got a chance and, boy oh boy, ain't this fun?' Sonny thing and the team, at least for now, to a man, seems to be of the 'I am not going to be the guy to mess this up' mindset.

He's a leader. Tilted points out that he isn't a textbook QB, just a guy playing that position. Partially fair, I think. In my NFL dictionary right next to QB is the definition;

Team leader.

He may as well have a sword and shield. He's leading the charge and his team is following him. They are becoming the team no one is going to wanna face in the playoffs; a team on a mission where evderyone is pitching in and pulling in the same direction.

Next season will be the real test. Does he continue to develop? Become better in the pocket, better reads, moving in the direction where he can go 25 of 36, 3 tds and a pick and run less.

Also rerminds me of a big Steve Young.

And, you've been waiting for this, the joy of St. Brett. :lol:

:buddies:

He's had a few years to improve his passing mechanics and it hasn't happened, so I doubt it will happen. I don't question his leadership ability and competitiveness, they are off the chart...but....You build a team around his unique abilities and whats gonna happen when he gets hurt? Are you going to have a Tebow lite step in? I just don't see him as a long term QB solution to any team, once the NFL catches on to his act, he will keep Denver mediocre at best. He's a big boy, but he will get hurt.

Tebow is just as fun to watch as your St. Brett, but thats where the comparison stops.

I think, being teams are only looking at a small view of tape, on the new offense style Denver is ploying, it gives them a good advantage... But I do believe, once there is plenty of film to study, if Tebow hasn't picked up the throwing game, it's going to get ugly.

I mean, to me, it's kind of like a full all game wildcat offense :shrug:



Nobody's Wildcat is run by a guy who is just as likely to throw it.

The thing is, in the NFL, guys don't make many mistakes on either side of the ball and it comes down to making plays be it the pulling guard getting to the LB or the LB shedding that block or the RB hitting the hole fast enough or the WR making his break sharp enough to defeat the zone or beat his man by a step and them the QB picking and hitting the receiver. Every play works on paper but, was the call right for the defense? Everyone, on both sides, is pretty much where they are supposed to be when they are supposed to be and, again, it comes down to winning that one on one battle.

Point being, every D coordinator Tebow faces has him bottled up and forced where they want him to be. On paper. What you can't coach is his size and strength and reflexes and athletic ability and shear 'want to'. He's winning the one on one battles when it counts most. I mean, most of his high light plays, his ass has been trapped and about to be sacked. Right now, he has JUST enough edge to make plays. So, while I agree, he has to get better reading and deciding and passing, for the near term, defenses are doing everything right. He's just beating them. And, when his tendencies are 'whatever it takes' that only makes it worse. Look at the highlights. He's been forced left. He's been forced right. He's thrown into coverage.

He just makes plays. :buddies:

He's had a few years to improve his passing mechanics and it hasn't happened, so I doubt it will happen. I don't question his leadership ability and competitiveness, they are off the chart...but....You build a team around his unique abilities and whats gonna happen when he gets hurt? Are you going to have a Tebow lite step in? I just don't see him as a long term QB solution to any team, once the NFL catches on to his act, he will keep Denver mediocre at best. He's a big boy, but he will get hurt.

Tebow is just as fun to watch as your St. Brett, but thats where the comparison stops.

What happens when any starter gets hurt? The only team I can recall that didn't miss much of a step when the starter went down was the Pats a few years ago and any Redskins team during Gibbs I.

Look at the Colts.
Eagles.
Cowboys.

Most good teams are one man shows when it comes to the offense. Everything is built around THAT one talent. Can you imagine the Giants without Eli? What would the Saint's be without Bree's?

I have to say that if it is Andrew Luck or Tebow, you gotta pick the more polished guy and I am not saying I would have had him as my MUST HAVE in the draft. Would I have picked him at 25? Maybe.

Bradford went #1 and then no more QB's until Tim. Who else? McCoy? Clausen? Given the Bronco's felt solid for the time with Orton, the pick is debatable but, awful hard to dismiss on the potential side of the argument.

If it was us, our pick, who would you rather have then; Stay with Jason and use the pick elsewhere or go with McNabb or pick Tebow? I can tell you this much; I'd trade Trent Williams for Tebow right now.

Tebow is just as fun to watch as your St. Brett, but thats where the comparison stops.

I'd argue that might be a good thing. So far, Tebow hasn't shown Brett's propensity to just throw it up for grabs 5 times a game or blast it into triple coverage every fourth pass.

Against Miami... Isn't really saying much..::bigwhoop:
Hey, they may have been sucking then but they're good now! So :smack:

What Tim Tebow is:

A football player
A leader
A winner
A competitor
Fun to watch
Annoying
Hard not to like
Probably a cool dude to have as a buddy

What Tim Tebow is not:

An NFL quarterback

Again, what Tim Tebow is:

A solid, winning football player who plays the position traditionally referred to as quarterback, which we know only because he starts each play with his hands under the center's butt.
He's playing the NFL Quarterback position and his team is winning, even when you posted this...

Anyone see the pass on 3rd down before the late tying FG? He hit the WR and the guy just dropped it for a TD.

I'd say he's doing just fine on this whole QB development thing.
He played a great game and his receivers are still terrible. His throwing motion is weird but so is Phillip Rivers and nobody questions his skill.

Give it up for the Tebows, and their definite leader. The team has complete bought into him and whatever plan they have.

I couldn't stand him at Fl just because he was a stinking limpid lizard, but I always liked the guy for who he is and his absolute unabashed stance on Christianity.

That has not changed, and I hope he does not change or cave into PC because of all the bashing of his beliefs and stance going on in the media.
For hating a "stinking limpid lizard", you were certainly GREEN with envy.

Also, because this is extremely important in football...he is a total fricken Hottie. I would swipe that Vcard like paris hilton swipes her black card. :drool:


carry on. :coffee::roflmao:

Would you build your team around him?
College football, yes (of course).

Pro football, not yet...gotta let the season play out. If he keeps up what he's doing, the Broncos have no choice but to not draft a QB next year (other than maybe a backup, Quinn sucks). They need to ride with Tebow as long as he's winning. If he sucks for the rest of this season, you bring in competition, and if he sucks next year then you replace him. Otherwise, you don't mess with success. They need to give him a better supporting cast on offense though, their only other good player at the moment is McGahee!

[QUOTE=Beta84;4714888]Hey, they may have been sucking then but they're good now! So :smack:


He's playing the NFL Quarterback position and his team is winning, even when you posted this...


He played a great game and his receivers are still terrible. His throwing motion is weird but so is Phillip Rivers and nobody questions his skill.


For hating a "stinking limpid lizard", you were certainly GREEN with envy.

:roflmao:


No hate at all, man. Always said UF would be a great place to go to college except for those stinking gators.....

No envy at all. I admire the young man for his convictions and his about-complete refusal to lose.

I originally believed when he was drafted so high he would never be a NFL QB, but if he can become just an adequate passer (he is getting closer the last few weeks), I think his teammates will believe they will be able to walk on the water Tebow created.....

If NFL teams need to place a full-time spy on Tebow, then that will open up consistent areas for the Broncos to exploit.

If.

Here we go again!!! :14 to tie

Ot!!

Ok... I am officially a believer... He is an incredible "clutch" QB!!!

Ok... I am officially a believer... He is an incredible "clutch" QB!!!

They shoulda had the onside kick! And, of course, Barber wasn't hired for his ability to think under pressure.

Barber wasn't hired for his ability to think under pressure.

Yeah, I know all too well..... I'm a Cowboys fan...:ohwell:

OK, Barber and Moss, both made not one but two key bad plays late to sink their teams. Quickest connection I could make is that they were both born in June and both went to colleges that begin with the letter 'M'.

:lol:


This is the first game I got to watch of Tebow's and he is a mess. Big, long wind up, some really erratic throws and takes a long time making his reads. However, he's plenty accurate when it counts and he buys time and he just seems to not get rattled.

Good stuff

OK, Barber and Moss, both made not one but two key bad plays late to sink their teams. Quickest connection I could make is that they were both born in June and both went to colleges that begin with the letter 'M'.

:lol:


This is the first game I got to watch of Tebow's and he is a mess. Big, long wind up, some really erratic throws and takes a long time making his reads. However, he's plenty accurate when it counts and he buys time and he just seems to not get rattled.

Good stuff

The good lord works in mysterious ways...:lmao:

The good lord works in mysterious ways...:lmao:

And it would truly be mysterious if he/He/She/It gave a crap about football.

Redskins should obviously trade two first rounders for him.

That game should not have even been close. Denver's WR are atrocious, hands of lead.

the poor kicker ties the game with a 59 yard and wins in overtime with 51 yarder, yet Tebow gets the credit :lol:

the poor kicker ties the game with a 59 yard and wins in overtime with 51 yarder, yet Tebow gets the credit :lol:

And in every interview I've seen, Tim made sure to say it wasn't about him but it was about the team. Emphatically.

Tim is still the QB and still conducted the plays that got the kicker into place and, have he missed the kicks, we'd still be talking about Tebow giving his team a chance.

As I mentioned, this was the first game I really watched and he is terrible in a lot of areas. However, the league has never had a shortage of technically proficient guys who just didn't win much or lead very well. One would take Jeff George 10 out of 10 times over Tebow.

And lose 9 out of 10 times when playing him.

:buddies:

He's playing the NFL Quarterback position and his team is winning, even when you posted this...

Yeah, that's what I said (and why I said it).

OK, Barber and Moss, both made not one but two key bad plays late to sink their teams. Quickest connection I could make is that they were both born in June and both went to colleges that begin with the letter 'M'.

:lol:


This is the first game I got to watch of Tebow's and he is a mess. Big, long wind up, some really erratic throws and takes a long time making his reads. However, he's plenty accurate when it counts and he buys time and he just seems to not get rattled.

Good stuff

Tim Tebow's passing skills are bad. (By NFL standards I mean, not by any other standards - I wouldn't, for instance, wager an expensive dinner on whether I'd be able to beat him in a passing contest unless doing so would mean I'd get to hang out with him for a while during the contest.) I don't think he's ever going to be a skilled passer by NFL standards.

But, and here's the point that matters for now: He's winning (and he's a winner in general, this isn't all luck). He's getting the job done, for now, no matter how he's doing it. Maybe even more importantly for someone like myself who isn't particularly a Broncos fan, he and his team are fun to watch.

And in every interview I've seen, Tim made sure to say it wasn't about him but it was about the team. Emphatically.

Tim is still the QB and still conducted the plays that got the kicker into place and, have he missed the kicks, we'd still be talking about Tebow giving his team a chance.

As I mentioned, this was the first game I really watched and he is terrible in a lot of areas. However, the league has never had a shortage of technically proficient guys who just didn't win much or lead very well. One would take Jeff George 10 out of 10 times over Tebow.

And lose 9 out of 10 times when playing him.

:buddies:

Right on. All Tebow did after the game yesterday, as well as in the recent past, was give credit to his TEAMMATES for their efforts in the win, and for helping to make Tebow himself a better player. His praise to the Lord is a given, win or lose.

Right now, Tebo0w and his team are playing just good enough to win. Those QB's mentioned above - George, Garcia, and throw in Steve DeBerg as well - all fit into the category, as the old 49'er coach Walsh said, are all "just good enough to get you beat".

The Tebow's are just the opposite of that line of thinking right now.

Tim Tebow's passing skills are bad. (By NFL standards I mean, not by any other standards - I wouldn't, for instance, wager an expensive dinner on whether I'd be able to beat him in a passing contest unless doing so would mean I'd get to hang out with him for a while during the contest.) I don't think he's ever going to be a skilled passer by NFL standards.
That's right. You can't coach accuracy.

But, and here's the point that matters for now: He's winning (and he's a winner in general, this isn't all luck). He's getting the job done, for now, no matter how he's doing it. Maybe even more importantly for someone like myself who isn't particularly a Broncos fan, he and his team are fun to watch.

And that, right there, sports fans, is why we are sports fans; it's FUN!

He's one of those guys we generalize as a 'winner' and it's not always the guy who is textbook or goes 30/35, 400 yards and 4 tds. It's the people, boys or girls who, when you GOT to have it, make a play be it a pass or a shot or a block or a kick or whatever the sport is.

They make plays when it matters most.

:buddies:


Now, as for fun, to be honest, he is painful to watch earlier in games but, it builds the suspense and THEN it becomes fun later on when he starts getting it going.

SNL did a skit with Tebow. They just showed it on a pregame. It was hysterical.

And in every interview I've seen, Tim made sure to say it wasn't about him but it was about the team. Emphatically.

Tim is still the QB and still conducted the plays that got the kicker into place and, have he missed the kicks, we'd still be talking about Tebow giving his team a chance.

As I mentioned, this was the first game I really watched and he is terrible in a lot of areas. However, the league has never had a shortage of technically proficient guys who just didn't win much or lead very well. One would take Jeff George 10 out of 10 times over Tebow.

And lose 9 out of 10 times when playing him.

:buddies:

Byt for 9 out of 10 teams that wouldn't have been good enough field position to even attempt a.field goal. Normally 40-45 yards is considered ok.distance for am attempt, but 59?

Basically he didn't do his job and get them in good field position, but the kicker saved their assess.

Byt for 9 out of 10 teams that wouldn't have been good enough field position to even attempt a.field goal. Normally 40-45 yards is considered ok.distance for am attempt, but 59?

Basically he didn't do his job and get them in good field position, but the kicker saved their assess.

And yet another unbeliever!

:lol:

St. Timothy of Gatoria has the intangibles. His will to win, his leadership, maybe his attitude helps the kicker, and everyone else, play just a little better?

You've got to be kidding me! What a play! What a play!!!!

You've got to be kidding me! What a play! What a play!!!!

Crud, guess I missed something.

Crud, guess I missed something.

Just Tebow taking advantage of a crummy defense. Tom Brady just showed everyone how it's done.

Tebow does Fran Tarkington.................... sort of

If he pulls out a win tonight i will be a believer.

No win today for the Tebows. Except for the 1st quarter, the Pats played very good, disciplined defense the rest of the way, and really put a few good licks on Tebow and roughed him up a bit.

He is still a load to bring down, when you can get hands on him, that is.

...the Pats played very good, disciplined defense the rest of the way...
is.

That's not what I saw. Absent the back to back fumbles, NE doesn't win the game and Denver sets rushing records. With the fumbles and subsequent scores, they were able to break Denver's momentum and force them out of their comfort zone, running, play action, and make Tebow throw the ball. :shrug:

The Pats are horrible on defense. They make some plays here and there and prevent some scores but, that's against mediocre teams, like the Skins. Add to that more and more injuries and they are going to have score like a pinball machine once playoffs get here. I mean, it's what they do but, minus those two plays, the fumbles, it's either a close game or Bronco's win.

:buddies:

That's not what I saw. Absent the back to back fumbles, NE doesn't win the game and Denver sets rushing records. With the fumbles and subsequent scores, they were able to break Denver's momentum and force them out of their comfort zone, running, play action, and make Tebow throw the ball. :shrug:

The Pats are horrible on defense. They make some plays here and there and prevent some scores but, that's against mediocre teams, like the Skins. Add to that more and more injuries and they are going to have score like a pinball machine once playoffs get here. I mean, it's what they do but, minus those two plays, the fumbles, it's either a close game or Bronco's win.

:buddies:

:lol:

Except for the fumbles. And the Patriots offense. Sorry, but I always laugh at the "Well, except for the things that decide a football game......." excuses.

:lol:

Except for the fumbles. And the Patriots offense. Sorry, but I always laugh at the "Well, except for the things that decide a football game......." excuses.

No, I hear you and yeah, 'if this, if that' but, IF they didn't fumble, they were destroying them. I mean, it shows how limited Denver is while showing if they can play their game..

:shrug:

No, I hear you and yeah, 'if this, if that' but, IF they didn't fumble, they were destroying them. I mean, it shows how limited Denver is while showing if they can play their game..

:shrug:

Doesn't matter. Like I said after the game last night, except for the horrible, by the Pats own admission, 1st quarter and one lightning drive by Tebow in the 4th, the Pats D essentially shut down Denver completely. Their defense gives up a lot of yards, but has this AFC-leading tendency to take the ball away from the other team with regularity.

Every team has limitations in one aspect of the game, at least.

Except for the 34 points given up by Ravens D last night......

Except for the Charger D dominating the Ravens offense last night....

And, oh, except for those pesky turnovers by Baltimore last night....

I'm sure they have no limitations, eh?

Maybe Tebow watched this and lost his confidence :lol:

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Doesn't matter. Like I said after the game last night, except for the horrible, by the Pats own admission, 1st quarter and one lightning drive by Tebow in the 4th, the Pats D essentially shut down Denver completely. Their defense gives up a lot of yards, but has this AFC-leading tendency to take the ball away from the other team with regularity.

Every team has limitations in one aspect of the game, at least.

Except for the 34 points given up by Ravens D last night......

Except for the Charger D dominating the Ravens offense last night....

And, oh, except for those pesky turnovers by Baltimore last night....

I'm sure they have no limitations, eh?

Huh?

Maybe Tebow watched this and lost his confidence :lol:

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Funny skit.

Byt for 9 out of 10 teams that wouldn't have been good enough field position to even attempt a.field goal. Normally 40-45 yards is considered ok.distance for am attempt, but 59?

Basically he didn't do his job and get them in good field position, but the kicker saved their assess.
While 59 sounds far, don't forget that he's kicking the extra long ones in Denver. The ball goes further there. And it's the NFL, if there are a bunch of college kickers who can kick 50+ then the NFL needs to do a better job of finding those guys. It's mind-boggling how a team can have a crummy kicker like Gano, when there are 20 kickers a year in college doing better.

That's not what I saw. Absent the back to back fumbles, NE doesn't win the game and Denver sets rushing records. With the fumbles and subsequent scores, they were able to break Denver's momentum and force them out of their comfort zone, running, play action, and make Tebow throw the ball. :shrug:

The Pats are horrible on defense. They make some plays here and there and prevent some scores but, that's against mediocre teams, like the Skins. Add to that more and more injuries and they are going to have score like a pinball machine once playoffs get here. I mean, it's what they do but, minus those two plays, the fumbles, it's either a close game or Bronco's win.

:buddies:

The momentum killers hurt, but the Broncos coaching staff shouldn't have veered from the gameplan. Shame on them. And their defense collapsed. If you're a defense/running team and you give up a ton of points, you're not winning.

Tebow fatigue..I'm betting that on the 2012 In Out list that Tebow will be an 'out'

The momentum killers hurt, but the Broncos coaching staff shouldn't have veered from the gameplan. Shame on them. And their defense collapsed. If you're a defense/running team and you give up a ton of points, you're not winning.

It's tough to not panic after those back to back fumbles and scores. Plus, can we blame them for starting to think the kid is just gonna find a way?

:shrug:

As for the D collapse, that is one of the things we fans tend to kinda lose sight of, the relationship between the score and how a defense performs. Once NE gets up on you, you are in trouble because of all the weapons and offensive creativity they have. Add to that, Denver's defense was never in charge anyway.

:buddies:

Tebow fatigue..I'm betting that on the 2012 In Out list that Tebow will be an 'out'

Why?

Man, a full season of starting, a full off season. I'd love to be Denver right now.

Maybe Tebow watched this and lost his confidence :lol:




Dumb skit. The only reason Tebow is getting on anyones nerves is that there will always be people seeking to be offended. The kid goes out of his way to talk about team, team, team. We're seeing it on the sidelines when he has no idea cameras are about. He does it in interviews. So, he mentions his faith. Seems pretty balanced to me.

:shrug:

Why?

Man, a full season of starting, a full off season. I'd love to be Denver right now.

I just don't think he is a QB that can lead a team to a Superbowl. As defenses get to know him, he will be shut down.

No need to worry, Larry, you need to remember I wrote an English Comp paper in the late 70s saying how that guy Theisman would never be more than a 2nd rate qb..

Dumb skit. The only reason Tebow is getting on anyones nerves is that there will always be people seeking to be offended. The kid goes out of his way to talk about team, team, team. We're seeing it on the sidelines when he has no idea cameras are about. He does it in interviews. So, he mentions his faith. Seems pretty balanced to me.

:shrug:

I thought it was hilarious. Comedy is always an over exaggeration of reality. They did get the whole thing about praising the kicker right. I don't care what altitude you are kicking at, making 50 yard plus field goals in high pressure situations are huge!

Dumb skit. The only reason Tebow is getting on anyones nerves is that there will always be people seeking to be offended. The kid goes out of his way to talk about team, team, team. We're seeing it on the sidelines when he has no idea cameras are about. He does it in interviews. So, he mentions his faith. Seems pretty balanced to me.

:shrug:

Yeah, people try to find flaw with him and just want to criticize. All I know is he's a good guy that tries his hardest, puts the team first, and wants to help people. He gets way too much scrutiny and too many insults for no good reason. Haters gotta hate!

By the way, I thought this was a good piece on Tebow: NFL.com news: Tebow's day not ruined by high-profile loss to Patriots (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82533f7d/article/tebows-day-not-ruined-by-highprofile-loss-to-patriots?campaign=Twitter_features)

I just don't think he is a QB that can lead a team to a Superbowl. As defenses get to know him, he will be shut down.

No need to worry, Larry, you need to remember I wrote an English Comp paper in the late 70s saying how that guy Theisman would never be more than a 2nd rate qb..

Dilfer. Grossman. Delhomme. Morrall. Morton (twice, two different teams) Ferragamo, Woodley, Eason, Hostetler, O'Donnell, Plunkett, Chandler and Kilmer.

Granted, I can't name very many elite 'NFL quarterbacks' that haven't even gone let alone win (Rivers) but, what is 'an NFL quarterback'?

Joe T is an interesting name because he's got that 'winner' thing about him, too. Granted, Joe would kneel down and pray to himself but, other than that, they have the will in common.

:lol:

I thought it was hilarious. Comedy is always an over exaggeration of reality. They did get the whole thing about praising the kicker right. I don't care what altitude you are kicking at, making 50 yard plus field goals in high pressure situations are huge!

If you say so. It's becoming not a gimme but, a pretty high chance of making these last few years. There isn't a guy in the league who doesn't have the leg. Plus, all he's gotta do is stroke it. Tebow and the rest of the team had to make some plays to get the guy a shot. :shrug:

If you say so. It's becoming not a gimme but, a pretty high chance of making these last few years. There isn't a guy in the league who doesn't have the leg. Plus, all he's gotta do is stroke it. Tebow and the rest of the team had to make some plays to get the guy a shot. :shrug:

Getting a kicker in position to make a 59 yarder to win is just barely doing your job. And if it was that easy, the Cowboys would have a couple more wins this year.

Getting a kicker in position to make a 59 yarder to win is just barely doing your job. And if it was that easy, the Cowboys would have a couple more wins this year.

:lol:

That was ONE game. You just don't like the kid, eh?

I just don't think he is a QB that can lead a team to a Superbowl. As defenses get to know him, he will be shut down.

No need to worry, Larry, you need to remember I wrote an English Comp paper in the late 70s saying how that guy Theisman would never be more than a 2nd rate qb..
Shoot was going to write something about the full size statue being in Titusville PA, but you wrote Theisman, not Heisman..

Getting a kicker in position to make a 59 yarder to win is just barely doing your job. And if it was that easy, the Cowboys would have a couple more wins this year.

Have you ever hit a golf ball in Denver, or anywhere else at altitude? You automatically club up one #, because that altitude gives you ten more, at least, yards on your average swing.

From top to bottom, NFL kickers are probably all capable of making a 59 yarder in Denver, or anywhere else, as long as they hit it solidy and on line.

Including here in Tampa, at sea level - Matt Bryant - 62 yards last play to beat the Eagles.

NFL Videos: Matt Bryant Highlight, WK 07 vs. Eagles 2006 (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d801aa80b/Matt-Bryant-Highlight-WK-07-vs-Eagles-2006)

It was destiny. What else can you call it?

As far as Barely doing one's job??? - with minimal seconds left in an almost impossible situation, at best very improbable situation, and having it work out IS getting the job done. No matter what.

Just give the guy credit for what he has helped his team to do. It really happened.

The record books say so.

Have you ever hit a golf ball in Denver, or anywhere else at altitude? You automatically club up one #, because that altitude gives you ten more, at least, yards on your average swing.

From top to bottom, NFL kickers are probably all capable of making a 59 yarder in Denver, or anywhere else, as long as they hit it solidy and on line.

It was destiny. What else can you call it?

Barely doing one's job??? - with minimal seconds left in an almost impossible situation, at best very improbable situation, and having it work out IS getting the job done. No matter what.

The record books say so.
Ye I have played golf in Colorado springs. Didn't club any different.

It's not impossible or improbable. It's what they are supposed to do. Stop trying to crown him as something more than he is. A mediocre quarterback who has beat some bad teams. When he wins a super bowl than you can crown him.

:lol:

That was ONE game. You just don't like the kid, eh?

It's not a matter of liking or not liking anyone. I'm not getting all excited about nothing special. The Broncos aren't a terrible team, they still have some work to do to win thier division. They need more tools to go deep inthe post season. But the Ravens proved that they could win a super bowl never scoring touchdowns. You have a solid running game and a stifling defense and don't turn the ball over you can win. Nobody was worshipping Trent Dilfer that is for sure.

It's not a matter of liking or not liking anyone. I'm not getting all excited about nothing special. The Broncos aren't a terrible team, they still have some work to do to win thier division. They need more tools to go deep inthe post season. But the Ravens proved that they could win a super bowl never scoring touchdowns. You have a solid running game and a stifling defense and don't turn the ball over you can win. Nobody was worshipping Trent Dilfer that is for sure.

Man. You're not being very objective. The Ravens won in spite of Dilfer. his whole job was 'don't screw it up'. Denver is a winning team BECAUSE of Tebow.
Orton wasn't getting it done. Nothing else has changed but that position.

Ye I have played golf in Colorado springs. Didn't club any different.

It's not impossible or improbable. It's what they are supposed to do. Stop trying to crown him as something more than he is. A mediocre quarterback who has beat some bad teams. When he wins a super bowl than you can crown him.

I'm not a long hitter, but after I flew over the first two greens with a club length normally used at sea level, I downsized my irons one club number for appropriate length. Altitude makes a huge difference. As with hitting baseballs and kicking footballs.

Nobody is crowning Tebow anything. Just give him credit, and his team, for what they have done, with a good shot at making the playoffs as AFC West champs.

Last year I gave him no chance to be even a decent, Dilfer-like NFL QB.

I always liked Dilfer here in Tampa, and it was sweet revenge for all the Dilfer appreciators in the face of Dilfer-haters when he helped the Ravens win their only SB right here in Tampa.

I am rethinking my position on Tebow, in spite of him being a stinking gator, because with a full off-season to work with his team, he could be a decent QB.

The Denver coaching staff has done a good job of designing and implementing offensive game plans to take advantage of the talent they have (e.g., most notably, Tim Tebow). When he's asked to stand in the pocket and run through reads, he's bad. He's just too slow and that long wind up of his takes too long when we're talking about a second or third receiver option. With him taking snaps, that team needs to run the ball (which it does well) or have one primary receiver route and expect Tebow to tuck the ball and run (or throw it away) if that route isn't available. That's what makes that offense go.

Asking Tebow to do what NFL quarterbacks traditionally do - sit in the pocket and work through receiver progressions, committed to throwing the ball, and only running or throwing the ball away as a last resort - is a recipe for failure. They've got something that works for the personnel they have, and that's what they need to keep doing. Tim Tebow is a great runner, and capable of running an offense, but he is not - and I don't think he ever will be - a pass first and second quarterback. Whereas Philadelphia tried to get Michael Vick to stay in pass plays and only run when he has to, because they think that makes their offense better (at least more versatile), I don't see that as a practical option for the Broncos. Vick has the ability to do that if he's committed to it, I don't think Tebow does (at least, not at this point). Tebow is an option/running quarterback who can throw the ball just well/often enough to keep defenses a bit honest. He is good at that - maybe even good enough to be the first in the modern era of the NFL to make that work for a prolonged period of time (though it's too early to conclude that, and I'm inclined not to believe it's the case). But, if they try to ask him to be something else, the 'magic' will likely vanish. I hope for his sake and for the sake of those of us that are enjoying watching him play, they don't try to do that - they don't try to make him something he isn't and may never be capable of being.

On another note, did anyone notice (what looked to me to be) the pass fake he made when he was about 30 yards down field on that long scramble he had? I'm not sure it worked (i.e. bought him extra yards by pausing would-be open field tacklers), but that was pure gold - classic! :lol:

The Denver coaching staff has done a good job of designing and implementing offensive game plans to take advantage of the talent they have (e.g., most notably, Tim Tebow). When he's asked to stand in the pocket and run through reads, he's bad. He's just too slow and that long wind up of his takes too long when we're talking about a second or third receiver option. With him taking snaps, that team needs to run the ball (which it does well) or have one primary receiver route and expect Tebow to tuck the ball and run (or throw it away) if that route isn't available. That's what makes that offense go.

Asking Tebow to do what NFL quarterbacks traditionally do - sit in the pocket and work through receiver progressions, committed to throwing the ball, and only running or throwing the ball away as a last resort - is a recipe for failure. They've got something that works for the personnel they have, and that's what they need to keep doing. Tim Tebow is a great runner, and capable of running an offense, but he is not - and I don't think he ever will be - a pass first and second quarterback. Whereas Philadelphia tried to get Michael Vick to stay in pass plays and only run when he has to, because they think that makes their offense better (at least more versatile), I don't see that as a practical option for the Broncos. Vick has the ability to do that if he's committed to it, I don't think Tebow does (at least, not at this point). Tebow is an option/running quarterback who can throw the ball just well/often enough to keep defenses a bit honest. He is good at that - maybe even good enough to be the first in the modern era of the NFL to make that work for a prolonged period of time (though it's too early to conclude that, and I'm inclined not to believe it's the case). But, if they try to ask him to be something else, the 'magic' will likely vanish. I hope for his sake and for the sake of those of us that are enjoying watching him play, they don't try to do that - they don't try to make him something he isn't and may never be capable of being.

On another note, did anyone notice (what looked to me to be) the pass fake he made when he was about 30 yards down field on that long scramble he had? I'm not sure it worked (i.e. bought him extra yards by pausing would-be open field tacklers), but that was pure gold - classic! :lol:

We live in a world that is a matter of degrees. The profound and, frankly, ugly, anti left hand bias that exists in the NFL which, apparently, Tilted has written the 'book' on as per the above venom laced screed, tries to claim that left handed 'things' like Vick and St. Timothy (note Tilted doesn't even extend the adjective 'person' when talking about either which is OK when talking about Vick) can't 'read'. The case is that only right handed people can 'read' and lefties just look at pictures or, worse, doodle on their playbooks when they should be 'reading'.

Well, the fact of the matter is left handed people 'see' far more than what righties do and the problem is play books that are dumbed down because everyone has to write them for right handers. Tebow 'sees' where his receivers SHOULD be but, aren't because of the limits of the right handed playbooks.

I'm sorry. It's just that simple and if coordinators who, btw, tend to be right handed and thereby biased to begin with, were able to open their doctrinaire minds and put in more left handed plays then, this sort of high minded dismissal of genius being hamstrung would have to find other victims.

Further proof? Bill Belichick, perhaps the best mind in the game, has one left footed punter after another on his team because right hand oriented teams struggle with it. What more is there to add?

:evil:

...and St. Timothy.....

:jerry::killingme

:lol:

That was ONE game. You just don't like the kid, eh?

you have to remember thurley is a big Bucknut and their last title game was busted because of the Gators, including Tim Tebow. He won't admit it and may not realize it, but it's impacting his judgment and he's being objective. If Terrell Pryor had done this, he'd be singing his praises and then some.

you have to remember thurley is a big Bucknut and their last title game was busted because of the Gators, including Tim Tebow. He won't admit it and may not realize it, but it's impacting his judgment and he's being objective. If Terrell Pryor had done this, he'd be singing his praises and then some.

This'll fix his little red wagon for the rest of the day. :evil:

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We live in a world that is a matter of degrees. The profound and, frankly, ugly, anti left hand bias that exists in the NFL which, apparently, Tilted has written the 'book' on as per the above venom laced screed, tries to claim that left handed 'things' like Vick and St. Timothy (note Tilted doesn't even extend the adjective 'person' when talking about either which is OK when talking about Vick) can't 'read'. The case is that only right handed people can 'read' and lefties just look at pictures or, worse, doodle on their playbooks when they should be 'reading'.

Well, the fact of the matter is left handed people 'see' far more than what righties do and the problem is play books that are dumbed down because everyone has to write them for right handers. Tebow 'sees' where his receivers SHOULD be but, aren't because of the limits of the right handed playbooks.

I'm sorry. It's just that simple and if coordinators who, btw, tend to be right handed and thereby biased to begin with, were able to open their doctrinaire minds and put in more left handed plays then, this sort of high minded dismissal of genius being hamstrung would have to find other victims.

Further proof? Bill Belichick, perhaps the best mind in the game, has one left footed punter after another on his team because right hand oriented teams struggle with it. What more is there to add?

:evil:

:lol: :yay:

For the record, I didn't make the connection with Vick being left-handed as well (I do know that, but I wasn't thinking about it at the time) AND my point wasn't that Vick couldn't read defenses and run through his receiver progression fast enough. Quite to the contrary, my point was that Vick could function as a pass first and second quarterback, whereas I don't think Tebow can, because he has better skills/abilities in that regard (e.g. running through reads quicker and throwing the ball better). My point was to suggest differences in the games that Vick and Tebow can play, not to suggest that those games are much the same.

I think that trying to make Tebow more of a classic, throw first and second, quarterback would be a travesty. Perhaps he needs to be that to have continued success in the league, perhaps he doesn't. But, I don't think he will be able to be, and I think that trying to make him that will hurt his career and marginalize him into being just a temporary cultural phenom that spends most of his career as a backup - adored by fans (as some back-ups are) because he doesn't get much of a chance to demonstrate that their lofty expectations are unjustified. More importantly, he won't be as fun to watch.

I'm hoping that doesn't happen. I'm hoping Denver continues to understand (and accept) what it has and to make the best use there of. And, if it decides that he isn't enough to get the ultimate job done that it moves on to someone else whom it thinks can, and allows Tebow to continue being what he is (as opposed to what some teams may think they need him to be) for someone else.

you have to remember thurley is a big Bucknut and their last title game was busted because of the Gators, including Tim Tebow. He won't admit it and may not realize it, but it's impacting his judgment and he's being objective. If Terrell Pryor had done this, he'd be singing his praises and then some.

and you're a big Gator homer who kneels/slurps before Tebow...

and our last title game was against LSU....just an FYI:killingme

It has nothing to do with that.....at all. You could say that hopefully Meyer will bring a Tebow like character into Columbus....I respect the heck out of what he accomplished in college....I just don't think he's anything other than a mediocre QB....I don't see why it is so hard to grasp that...:shrug:

I've never once had any delusion of Pryor being anything other than a WR in the NFL....He probably won't even amount to that now....

:lol: :yay:

For the record, I didn't make the connection with Vick being left-handed as well (I do know that, but I wasn't thinking about it at the time) AND my point wasn't that Vick couldn't read defenses and run through his receiver progression fast enough. Quite to the contrary, my point was that Vick could function as a pass first and second quarterback, whereas I don't think Tebow can, because he has better skills/abilities in that regard (e.g. running through reads quicker and throwing the ball better). My point was to suggest differences in the games that Vick and Tebow can play, not to suggest that those games are much the same.

I think that trying to make Tebow more of a classic, throw first and second, quarterback would be a travesty. Perhaps he needs to be that to have continued success in the league, perhaps he doesn't. But, I don't think he will be able to be, and I think that trying to make him that will hurt his career and marginalize him into being just a temporary cultural phenom that spends most of his career as a backup - adored by fans (as some back-ups are) because he doesn't get much of a chance to demonstrate that their lofty expectations are unjustified. More importantly, he won't be as fun to watch.

I'm hoping that doesn't happen. I'm hoping Denver continues to understand (and accept) what it has and to make the best use there of. And, if it decides that he isn't enough to get the ultimate job done that it moves on to someone else whom it thinks can, and allows Tebow to continue being what he is (as opposed to what some teams may think they need him to be) for someone else.

Tebow now is much like early Vick wouldn't you say? Look, throw OR look, no throw, run, look while running, run, run...

Vick has a big wind up. Vick isn't all that accurate.

Further, Tebow seems to be able to avoid the huge hits Vick has always taken and part of that is Vick can be KO'd by pretty much anyone on the field because he's small. Tebow is not giving away anything to LB's let alone DB's.

What I am wondering is if Tebow can follow in the Steve Young mold; the awesome athlete that is accurate as hell. I mean, no, he can't because Tim simply isn't ever going to throw the ball that well but, it just think it is silly to say Tebow's progression is one and run and that's all it will ever be.

:buddies:

I'm hoping that doesn't happen. I'm hoping Denver continues to understand (and accept) what it has and to make the best use there of. And, if it decides that he isn't enough to get the ultimate job done that it moves on to someone else whom it thinks can, and allows Tebow to continue being what he is (as opposed to what some teams may think they need him to be) for someone else.

It would be nice if they could provide him some talent on offense. Everyone wants to complain about how Tebow isn't a very good passing QB, but their pass protection isn't very good and their WRs are even worse. They traded away their best WR, Lloyd, so the best WR is a 2nd year guy who is still getting the hang of playing in the NFL.

and you're a big Gator homer who kneels/slurps before Tebow...

and our last title game was against LSU....just an FYI:killingme

It has nothing to do with that.....at all. You could say that hopefully Meyer will bring a Tebow like character into Columbus....I respect the heck out of what he accomplished in college....I just don't think he's anything other than a mediocre QB....I don't see why it is so hard to grasp that...:shrug:

I've never once had any delusion of Pryor being anything other than a WR in the NFL....He probably won't even amount to that now....
My bad, I don't follow OSU*'s undeserved title game losses :evil:

You're only considering his throwing stats. He's not as good of a pure passer as Kyle Orton is, so by that you'd say Orton is the better QB. Yet who is leading the team to the top of the division and who had them in the basement when he was benched?

There are a lot of intangibles and other items (i.e. RUNNING) that Tebow can do that a pocket passer like Orton can't. I've never said that Tebow was going to be an amazing NFL QB and didn't expect him to have success this year, but his team's record has completely turned around with him at the helm, which makes him a GOOD QB, at least THIS year for THIS team. And the wins and losses are all that matter.

By the way, his 4th quarter stats are among the top in the league. It seems like he is one of the best QBs in the league at passing when it matters most.

Tebow now is much like early Vick wouldn't you say? Look, throw OR look, no throw, run, look while running, run, run...

Vick has a big wind up. Vick isn't all that accurate.

Further, Tebow seems to be able to avoid the huge hits Vick has always taken and part of that is Vick can be KO'd by pretty much anyone on the field because he's small. Tebow is not giving away anything to LB's let alone DB's.

What I am wondering is if Tebow can follow in the Steve Young mold; the awesome athlete that is accurate as hell. I mean, no, he can't because Tim simply isn't ever going to throw the ball that well but, it just think it is silly to say Tebow's progression is one and run and that's all it will ever be.

:buddies:

Vick has a better arm than Tebow. Vick is faster than Tebow but can't run anybody over, making Vick a more "explosive" option that can break anything for a TD, but also more fragile.

Tebow is closer to an Alex Smith mold. It took him awhile to improve his passing skills, but he's doing an awfully good job in San Fran this season.

By the way, his 4th quarter stats are among the top in the league. It seems like he is one of the best QBs in the league at passing when it matters most.


Not to argue, but that is a point that I differ with and am tired of hearing it from the commentators,fans, etc. Stats against a prevent defense can be put up by any QB. The Bears screwed up royally by going to prevent when they had shut him down all game. Even at that, if their RB had stayed inbounds at the end, it would have been a Bronc loss.

I have no problem with Tebow the person or QB, I just think Denver would be better served in the long run without him at QB. He's fine now, but once defenses adjust to him, he's run-of-the-mill.

It would be nice if they could provide him some talent on offense. Everyone wants to complain about how Tebow isn't a very good passing QB, but their pass protection isn't very good and their WRs are even worse. They traded away their best WR, Lloyd, so the best WR is a 2nd year guy who is still getting the hang of playing in the NFL.


My bad, I don't follow OSU*'s undeserved title game losses :evil:

You're only considering his throwing stats. He's not as good of a pure passer as Kyle Orton is, so by that you'd say Orton is the better QB. Yet who is leading the team to the top of the division and who had them in the basement when he was benched?

Right, the same one that beat the undefeated Packers this week? Could it have just been poor coaching?

Ok, I admit, that made me ill to say.....

There are a lot of intangibles and other items (i.e. RUNNING) that Tebow can do that a pocket passer like Orton can't. I've never said that Tebow was going to be an amazing NFL QB and didn't expect him to have success this year, but his team's record has completely turned around with him at the helm, which makes him a GOOD QB, at least THIS year for THIS team. And the wins and losses are all that matter.

The Wildcat worked for the Dolphins for awhile too......

You are right, W and L's are all that matter....and I don't deny he's been good for the team this year....but overall, full body of work..he won't be a great QB...and they won't go deep in the playoffs....

Now that being said, is it still a lot better than Denver hoped 7 weeks ago...of course it is! But for the love of god..he's not the second coming of Montana, Manning, Brady, hell Phil Simms...You can't turn on the TV without hearing about him every ten seconds....and I don't think that is fair to the running backs, the kicker, the outstanding defensive play....

Anyway, he's a polarizing figure, you either love him or hate him I guess...makes for good NFL drama....I'll be in Denver in a couple of weeks, I'll pick you up a #15 jersey...:buddies:

By the way, his 4th quarter stats are among the top in the league. It seems like he is one of the best QBs in the league at passing when it matters most.

Without the outstanding play of the defense, the 4th quarter doesn't matter...time to prepare for his 2 minute offense will mitigate this..

Vick has a better arm than Tebow. Vick is faster than Tebow but can't run anybody over, making Vick a more "explosive" option that can break anything for a TD, but also more fragile.

agree
Tebow is closer to an Alex Smith mold. It took him awhile to improve his passing skills, but he's doing an awfully good job in San Fran this season.

I think Alex Smith has always been a good QB, he just hasn't had the correct coaching staff, offensive game plan around him....

Right, the same one that beat the undefeated Packers this week? Could it have just been poor coaching?

Ok, I admit, that made me ill to say.....

The Wildcat worked for the Dolphins for awhile too......

You are right, W and L's are all that matter....and I don't deny he's been good for the team this year....but overall, full body of work..he won't be a great QB...and they won't go deep in the playoffs....

Now that being said, is it still a lot better than Denver hoped 7 weeks ago...of course it is! But for the love of god..he's not the second coming of Montana, Manning, Brady, hell Phil Simms...You can't turn on the TV without hearing about him every ten seconds....and I don't think that is fair to the running backs, the kicker, the outstanding defensive play....

Anyway, he's a polarizing figure, you either love him or hate him I guess...makes for good NFL drama....I'll be in Denver in a couple of weeks, I'll pick you up a #15 jersey...:buddies:

Without the outstanding play of the defense, the 4th quarter doesn't matter...time to prepare for his 2 minute offense will mitigate this..


agree

I think Alex Smith has always been a good QB, he just hasn't had the correct coaching staff, offensive game plan around him....


Orton's team scored 19 points against a mediocre Green Bay defense. I know it was a nice win, but let's not get carried away and say that Orton was the reason his team won the game. That was a HUGE defensive effort by the Chiefs, they played an out-of-their-minds perfect game. But yeah, his team won. Maybe he should have tried that in Denver.

The Wildcat worked for the Dolphins for awhile, yes. Then it stopped...do you know why? A few things happened, but I'll give a few that were probably the killers. First, their run blocking got worse the following seasons and it couldn't be as effective when you don't block anyone. Second, it can scare someone when passing is a factor, but when you use a RB that's as likely to throw an INT as a completion, it doesn't scare you over the top. Third, a ton of teams started running it, so it wasn't as unique and teams focused more time on stopping it. Tebow can throw and there aren't many teams who are going to adopt the Broncos style, so it has a chance to continue success. I'm not saying it will, but it has a better chance than the Fins' Wildcat.

I agree he's not a great QB right now, but who knows how he can develop? He puts in a lot of effort. I strongly disagree with your impression of Alex Smith because he downright sucked for awhile. This is the first year he's been a respectable QB. It may be scheme, maybe he's progressed, or a combo, but to say he's always been a good QB isn't accurate.

I agree that without a good defense, he may not have had those chances in the 4th quarter. But then again, the Ravens wouldn't have won a Super Bowl with TRENT DILFER at QB without a GREAT defense. He doesn't throw INTs and he fits in well with the scheme they're running. The Ravens usually use it, the Bears use it, the Steelers use it...running game + great defense + QB that doesn't screw up. So why is it forbidden for Tebow to do the same thing?

As for the part about always seeing him on TV...I don't know why he became so popular. At UF, he was popular because he was a local player that came highly recruited, lived up to the billing, helped win 2 National Championships and a Heisman, and is an all around good guy that always says the right thing and has a team-first attitude that drives his team to victory. For crying out loud, he goes to the Phillipines with his family and helps the poor every year. He brings dying children to each game so they can enjoy themselves. There's no discernable character flaw. Why does everyone have to love him or hate him? What kind of crazy person can hate someone like that? I just don't get it. I know that doesn't have anything to do with him being a QB, but maybe people just like a story about a guy that nobody can find fault with. Every now and then, it's nice to see a genuinely good guy have success instead of seeing stories about Ben Roethlisraper or Michael "Let's kill some dogs" Vick. :shrug:

Orton's team scored 19 points against a mediocre Green Bay defense. I know it was a nice win, but let's not get carried away and say that Orton was the reason his team won the game. :

Boom...plug Tebow's name in there instead of Orton's and you get my point...:buddies:

Boom...plug Tebow's name in there instead of Orton's and you get my point...:buddies:

But you're using that one a 1 game basis (like otter did pointing out the Bears game), while I'm trying to use two halves of a season (Orton vs Tebow records). Clearly there's a difference and it revolved around 1 person. Winning is winning and the QB was the change. I guess that means Orton may be better than Palko. :lol:

But you're using that one a 1 game basis (like otter did pointing out the Bears game), while I'm trying to use two halves of a season (Orton vs Tebow records). Clearly there's a difference and it revolved around 1 person. Winning is winning and the QB was the change. I guess that means Orton may be better than Palko. :lol:

Sorry, I should have inserted an 'for example' in citing the Bears game. The common thread through this run of Tebow miracles was the opposing team went to prevent defenses.

Sorry, I should have inserted an 'for example' in citing the Bears game. The common thread through this run of Tebow miracles was the Bronco's won.

:evil:

The reason why teams use prevents late is that, most of the time, it works. At the end of the day (or game as the case may be) he's been making plays, some of them amazing. He could be done for the year, fresh out of great plays. I'm still watching when I can!

I do agree, 100%, that you can't be running around using his 4th quarter stats as some sort of measure of how good he is; it's distorted and it is for the reasons you list.

This league has two stats that matter, W's and L's.

:buddies:

:evil:

The reason why teams use prevents late is that, most of the time, it works. At the end of the day (or game as the case may be) he's been making plays, some of them amazing. He could be done for the year, fresh out of great plays. I'm still watching when I can!

I do agree, 100%, that you can't be running around using his 4th quarter stats as some sort of measure of how good he is; it's distorted and it is for the reasons you list.

This league has two stats that matter, W's and L's.

:buddies:

I've seen a lot of teams over the years that almost lose games because they go prevent defense, and a lot of games get much closer on the scoreboard than they really were because the DC decided to play prevent...

I've seen a lot of teams over the years that almost lose games because they go prevent defense, and a lot of games get much closer on the scoreboard than they really were because the DC decided to play prevent...

Yup. And that is the goal of the prevent in the NFL, that if I have to make 4,5, 6 plays in a row in a hurry, I'm gonna mess up somewhere and the whole while the clock is ticking.

Not playing prevent means you are either putting your corners man to man in which case a home run might happen if a safety doesn't get over in time or, you are putting 2 corners and 2 safeties in zone and there is only four of them against 4 or five people running underneath any one of which could be looking to break long. And what of the linebackers? Regular d is read and react. Prevent is get back, then read, then react. Regular D, maybe one LB jumps a route, wrongly, and now a RB or TE is racing up the middle alone.

All prevent is is to burn time, make you string plays together and prevent a home run. It looks horrible but, it is the percentage choice. :shrug:

Yup. And that is the goal of the prevent in the NFL, that if I have to make 4,5, 6 plays in a row in a hurry, I'm gonna mess up somewhere and the whole while the clock is ticking.

Not playing prevent means you are either putting your corners man to man in which case a home run might happen if a safety doesn't get over in time or, you are putting 2 corners and 2 safeties in zone and there is only four of them against 4 or five people running underneath any one of which could be looking to break long. And what of the linebackers? Regular d is read and react. Prevent is get back, then read, then react. Regular D, maybe one LB jumps a route, wrongly, and now a RB or TE is racing up the middle alone.

All prevent is is to burn time, make you string plays together and prevent a home run. It looks horrible but, it is the percentage choice. :shrug:

Yep, you're right. But it sure is aggravating to watch! When I played we just dropped a LB, went to a nickel D and played interior defense as normal. Worked good but for sure we weren't NCAA or NFL caliber. And the coaches got to keep their hair...:biggrin:

Yep, you're right. But it sure is aggravating to watch! When I played we just dropped a LB, went to a nickel D and played interior defense as normal. Worked good but for sure we weren't NCAA or NFL caliber. And the coaches got to keep their hair...:biggrin:

:lol: We didn't even have a prevent. The coaches just yelled at the DB's not let anyone get behind them. And we sent everyone else.

ouch.

ouch.

Reality sucks..:lol:

Reality sucks..:lol:

It seems God takes off Saturdays?

It seems God takes off Saturdays?

Cam Newton eats that jesus freak for breakfast!

Looking good today

Cam Newton eats that jesus freak for breakfast!

Cam is probably eating a bowl of Lucky Charms in front of his TV watching Tebow play in a playoff game.

Cam is probably eating a bowl of Lucky Charms in front of his TV watching Tebow play in a playoff game.

Cam Newton is probably putting on his Tebow Superman undies right now, just before he tries to put on his Tebow jammies both legs at once..

Against Miami... Isn't really saying much..::bigwhoop:
:popcorn:

Even Lady Gaga is impressed by Tim Tebow - The Early Lead - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/even-lady-gaga-is-impressed-by-tim-tebow/2012/01/08/gIQAjAYDkP_blog.html)

:roflmao:

:popcorn:


Ok... I am officially a believer... He is an incredible "clutch" QB!!!

:popcorn:

316 yards passing, avg 31.6 per completion

3:16

316 yards passing, avg 31.6 per completion

3:16

very interesting

:popcorn:
:popcorn:

:lol:

316 yards passing, avg 31.6 per completion

3:16

That was discussed early this AM about 0630 on a local sports talk show in Tampa........

Works for me.

My hubby commented that he could practically see the halo around the ball on that 80 yard winning TD pass.
**he does like like Tebow at all, well maybe not him per se but all the media hype like this kid is Brees, Brady or Rogers.**

How cool was that?

As a second-tier Ravens fan, I'm happy to see the Steelers out of the way. They scared me more than anyone else in the AFC playoffs. I thought the Steelers would win (by jumping on the Broncos early and forcing the Bronco offense to be something it isn't), but I'm happy they didn't. Sorry Steeler fans. :ohwell:

How cool was that?

As a second-tier Ravens fan, I'm happy to see the Steelers out of the way. They scared me more than anyone else in the AFC playoffs. I thought the Steelers would win (by jumping on the Broncos early and forcing the Bronco offense to be something it isn't), but I'm happy they didn't. Sorry Steeler fans. :ohwell:

As dad says, hindsight is 20/20. Having said that, the proper analysis of this game before it was played would have been;

Tebow has to limit his mistakes.
Denvers D is good enough to slow down the Steelers and cover their WR's.
Ben is hurting and his vital mobility is very limited
Tebow has to make a few plays AND has the skill people to make it happen if he can find them and get them the ball.

I took it for granted that Ben would play well enough and he almost did. I did not give Denver's D anywhere near the credit they had earned all season going into this game. Tebow has yet to win a game where his D gave up a lot of points and couldn't get off the field.

So, Tebow didn't make any mistakes, their D showed up, Ben was limited, and Tebow made several really good throws.

And this, boys and girls, is why, after all the predictions, we play the games.
:buddies:

And now, looking forward to NE, Denver's D HAS to be considered good enough to slow down Brady and his Bunch. And Denver CAN control the ball, mount some drives, pound it and the Pat's D is not in the same class as Pittsburgh. So, if St. Timothy has a few more good throws in him...

I think the Revival is a'comin' to Charm City!

As dad says, hindsight is 20/20. Having said that, the proper analysis of this game before it was played would have been;

Tebow has to limit his mistakes.
Denvers D is good enough to slow down the Steelers and cover their WR's.
Ben is hurting and his vital mobility is very limited
Tebow has to make a few plays AND has the skill people to make it happen if he can find them and get them the ball.

I took it for granted that Ben would play well enough and he almost did. I did not give Denver's D anywhere near the credit they had earned all season going into this game. Tebow has yet to win a game where his D gave up a lot of points and couldn't get off the field.

So, Tebow didn't make any mistakes, their D showed up, Ben was limited, and Tebow made several really good throws.

And this, boys and girls, is why, after all the predictions, we play the games.
:buddies:

And now, looking forward to NE, Denver's D HAS to be considered good enough to slow down Brady and his Bunch. And Denver CAN control the ball, mount some drives, pound it and the Pat's D is not in the same class as Pittsburgh. So, if St. Timothy has a few more good throws in him...

I think the Revival is a'comin' to Charm City!


I'd like to know what, and how much, drugs they hit Rottenburger with at halftime.. After the halftime break there wasn't as much as a limp from him..

Of course you ask the sportscasters and they'll claim ADRENALIN of a post season game, to which I say.. :bs: unless adrenalin comes in a syringe.

I'd like to know what, and how much, drugs they hit Rottenburger with at halftime.. After the halftime break there wasn't as much as a limp from him..

Of course you ask the sportscasters and they'll claim ADRENALIN of a post season game, to which I say.. :bs: unless adrenalin comes in a syringe.

They get shots all the time. Trying to remember who it was and it may have been Ben, but, they got shot before the game and again at half time.

Not a secret. They don't promote it much but, you can be sure guys are taking all sorts of stuff to get through a game.


And, I saw Ben limping plenty in the second half. :shrug:

I'd like to know what, and how much, drugs they hit Rottenburger with at halftime.. After the halftime break there wasn't as much as a limp from him..

Of course you ask the sportscasters and they'll claim ADRENALIN of a post season game, to which I say.. :bs: unless adrenalin comes in a syringe.

He received "treatment" during the half. :northdallasforty:

OBTW: Champ Bailey STILL has game:burning:

He received "treatment" during the half. :northdallasforty:

Every time we call it a game, you call it a business. Every time we call it a business, you call it a game.

Excellent movie

OBTW: Champ Bailey STILL has game:burning:

Except for dropping that shouldabeen INT late that would probably have nailed the win down, but that would have negated the Tebow craze.

Where would this thread be then?

As dad says, hindsight is 20/20. Having said that, the proper analysis of this game before it was played would have been;

Tebow has to limit his mistakes.
Denvers D is good enough to slow down the Steelers and cover their WR's.
Ben is hurting and his vital mobility is very limited
Tebow has to make a few plays AND has the skill people to make it happen if he can find them and get them the ball.

I took it for granted that Ben would play well enough and he almost did. I did not give Denver's D anywhere near the credit they had earned all season going into this game. Tebow has yet to win a game where his D gave up a lot of points and couldn't get off the field.

So, Tebow didn't make any mistakes, their D showed up, Ben was limited, and Tebow made several really good throws.

And this, boys and girls, is why, after all the predictions, we play the games.
:buddies:

And now, looking forward to NE, Denver's D HAS to be considered good enough to slow down Brady and his Bunch. And Denver CAN control the ball, mount some drives, pound it and the Pat's D is not in the same class as Pittsburgh. So, if St. Timothy has a few more good throws in him...

I think the Revival is a'comin' to Charm City!

Hang on a second. Denver's D showed up? I'm not saying their D was terrible, but 23 points isn't a GOOD showing on defense -- especially when you're playing against a hobbled QB, a 2nd string RB, and the team is missing its Pro Bowl Center and some other OL. 23 points is the average of what the Redskins gave up this season, good for 21st in the NFL. That was a below average showing by their defense, especially when you consider how hobbled Pittsburgh's offense was.

Hang on a second. Denver's D showed up? I'm not saying their D was terrible, but 23 points isn't a GOOD showing on defense -- especially when you're playing against a hobbled QB, a 2nd string RB, and the team is missing its Pro Bowl Center and some other OL. 23 points is the average of what the Redskins gave up this season, good for 21st in the NFL. That was a below average showing by their defense, especially when you consider how hobbled Pittsburgh's offense was.

23 points was good enough to win, yes? Statistics are not interchangeable. No way our D holds them to 23 in the pressure of playoffs. At least I don't think so. Denver has team speed on D and did I very good job. Maybe great. They are not a GREAT defense but, they are good and it is certainly one of the strengths of the team. They are one of the reasons Tebow could play like he had 5 thumbs for 3 quarters and then mount a game winning drive late. They often made stops when they had to.

And I think they match up well with NE's O this coming week. Better than most and it's because of the speed they have.

And hobbled or not, who is 100% right now? Anyone? It's the playoffs and they beat the defending AFC champ Pittsburgh Steelers and they didn't beat them because St. Timothy put up 50.

:shrug:

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heard that yesterday as well. Couldn't stand Tebow as a stinking limpid lizard of UF, but always admired his stance on his faith.

He is a rock solid, muscular Christian, and that really ticks off a lot of people.

Too bad, so sad for those people.

The Tebows will lose this Sat night. But they have accomplished much behind this young man, love him or hate him. He has made the entire team and organization better because he is a born, gifted leader.

Can't teach that.

God works in mysterious ways. It's best to just recognize that.

heard that yesterday as well. Couldn't stand Tebow as a stinking limpid lizard of UF, but always admired his stance on his faith.

He is a rock solid, muscular Christian, and that really ticks off a lot of people.

Too bad, so sad for those people.

The Tebows will lose this Sat night. But they have accomplished much behind this young man, love him or hate him. He has made the entire team and organization better because he is a born, gifted leader.

Can't teach that.

God works in mysterious ways. It's best to just recognize that.


Does that rev your engine?:killingme

Thank you Tim Tebow for knocking out the Stealers :cheers:

Thank you Tim Tebow for knocking out the Stealers :cheers:

Now fade into obscurity where you belong.

heard that yesterday as well. Couldn't stand Tebow as a stinking limpid lizard of UF, but always admired his stance on his faith.

He is a rock solid, muscular Christian, and that really ticks off a lot of people.

Too bad, so sad for those people.

The Tebows will lose this Sat night. But they have accomplished much behind this young man, love him or hate him. He has made the entire team and organization better because he is a born, gifted leader.

Can't teach that.

God works in mysterious ways. It's best to just recognize that.
BS! That has nothing to do with it. Where was all this "love" for Chad Pennington? I would bet he is 10 times the QB that Tebow is PLUS he is Christian, and not by his words, but his actions.

And I thought he was a pretty stellar guy even when he was a Jet!

BS! That has nothing to do with it. Where was all this "love" for Chad Pennington? I would bet he is 10 times the QB that Tebow is PLUS he is Christian, and not by his words, but his actions.

And I thought he was a pretty stellar guy even when he was a Jet!

He sounds like a stellar person at that. I did not know he was a Christian, but I am glad that he is. Probably a lot of people don't know that a lot of players are Christians as well.

Then again, our mission as Christians is to profess it to others privately and publicly. That is our responsibility as our witness.

Tebow has a platform like we have not seen before, and he started building that platform from a young age. He has been in the spotlight since high school, magnified at UF, and we can all see it now.

Good for him.

The Broncos lost, as I said they would. They really ran into that silver and blue buzz saw. Next up..........

Go Patriots.

BS! That has nothing to do with it. Where was all this "love" for Chad Pennington? I would bet he is 10 times the QB that Tebow is PLUS he is Christian, and not by his words, but his actions.

And I thought he was a pretty stellar guy even when he was a Jet!

Obviously you don't know anything about Tebow or his family.

Bob Tebow Evangelistic Association - About the Tebow Family (http://www.btea.org/aboutus.asp)