Good luck.

The Skins will need some luck, this is the kind of game they normally lose...

this is the kind of game they normally lose...

Why do you say that?

Why do you say that?

It's a football game :ohwell:

They have a tendency not to get up for what may be considered an easy game, and end up getting spanked. I have started the last 3 years with saying just let them go 8 and 8 and they are not going to make that this year.

... but they're only one point down

It's a football game :ohwell:

:killingme

... but they're only one point down

They were.

It's a football game :ohwell:

:killingme

It was a good drive, but.....................

This game is not looking very good for the Redskins.

I shoulda took Miami for my 5 pointer.

But then again Dallas is doing a pretty good job with covering the spread.

DoWhat, now you see why i said the skins were going to need some luck. :cheers:

DoWhat, now you see why i said the skins were going to need some luck. :cheers:

Luck?
They just suck.

DoWhat, not arguing or disagreeing with you at all sir.

Redskins STINK.

Redskins STINK.

ON ICE!

I hope they watch the late games from their hotel room so they can see what football is supposed to look like instead of the #### they play.

Good luck.

Love how you start all the Redskine game day threads! :killingme

Love how you start all the Redskine game day threads! :killingme

:poke: It's what he does.

:poke: It's what he does.

There's that. But especially telling is how Skins fans couldn't give a ####.

They are not mathematically eliminated form the playoffs yet, or are they?

They are not mathematically eliminated form the playoffs yet, or are they?If not, they're going to the superbowl! :yahoo:

If not, they're going to the superbowl! :yahoo:

But they have to beat Dallas next week.
What are the odds of that?

But they have to beat Dallas next week.
What are the odds of that?Dallas will go down HARD! :duel:

If not, they're going to the superbowl! :yahoo:

:lol:

Dallas will go down HARD! :duel:
Shall we bet a beer on it?

There isn't a winnable game for the rest of this season for the Redskins. We do not have the talent, from the Pesident of football operations, all the way down to our #6 WR. Mike Shanahan has proven (yet again) that you cannot be in charge of personnel AND be head coach yet Shanahan tries to take it one step further by hiring his son as OC.

We've won too many games to be in the Suck for Luck contest, so we managed to screw that up too. I can guarantee you that there will much wailing and gnashing of teeth if there is not a QB drafted in the first round next year. My prediction is that Shanahan(s) get one more year to get us over .500 or they are gone.

Maybe it's pollution or malaise because teams in this area suck.
Redskins
Nationals
Orioles
United
Wizards

The only saving grace would be the Capitals, but they always choke in the playoffs.

:lol:What? It's true!

Shall we bet a beer on it?I'd feel bad taking your beer knowing about your feral deer population.

There isn't a winnable game for the rest of this season for the Redskins. We do not have the talent, from the Pesident of football operations, all the way down to our #6 WR. Mike Shanahan has proven (yet again) that you cannot be in charge of personnel AND be head coach yet Shanahan tries to take it one step further by hiring his son as OC.

We've won too many games to be in the Suck for Luck contest, so we managed to screw that up too. I can guarantee you that there will much wailing and gnashing of teeth if there is not a QB drafted in the first round next year. My prediction is that Shanahan(s) get one more year to get us over .500 or they are gone.

Maybe it's pollution or malaise because teams in this area suck.
Redskins
Nationals
Orioles
United
Wizards

The only saving grace would be the Capitals, but they always choke in the playoffs.:lalala:

There isn't a winnable game for the rest of this season for the Redskins. We do not have the talent, from the Pesident of football operations, all the way down to our #6 WR. Mike Shanahan has proven (yet again) that you cannot be in charge of personnel AND be head coach yet Shanahan tries to take it one step further by hiring his son as OC.

We've won too many games to be in the Suck for Luck contest, so we managed to screw that up too. I can guarantee you that there will much wailing and gnashing of teeth if there is not a QB drafted in the first round next year. My prediction is that Shanahan(s) get one more year to get us over .500 or they are gone.

Maybe it's pollution or malaise because teams in this area suck.
Redskins
Nationals
Orioles
United
Wizards

The only saving grace would be the Capitals, but they always choke in the playoffs.

We are going to get Peyton Manning in a trade next year. It will be fine, he can wear a neck brace.

We are going to get Peyton Manning in a trade next year. It will be fine, he can wear a neck brace.
And we're gonna go 12-0! :yahoo:

It's a football game :ohwell:

:banghead:

There isn't a winnable game for the rest of this season for the Redskins. We do not have the talent, from the Pesident of football operations, all the way down to our #6 WR. Mike Shanahan has proven (yet again) that you cannot be in charge of personnel AND be head coach yet Shanahan tries to take it one step further by hiring his son as OC.

We've won too many games to be in the Suck for Luck contest, so we managed to screw that up too. I can guarantee you that there will much wailing and gnashing of teeth if there is not a QB drafted in the first round next year. My prediction is that Shanahan(s) get one more year to get us over .500 or they are gone.



It will be an interesting off season.

I don't see how Haslett stays. He has, on paper, the pieces for a solid defense.

As for the offense, we knew going in that the pieces simply ain't there; mediocre O line, low talent level at skill and quarterbacks that needed solid D and a good running game to be effective.

Injuries have eliminated any margin for error we had to begin with and the offense, instead of just being lame, actively makes things worse for the defense. We can't play a field position game which is what you have to do when you can't score; not make big mistakes.

As for Shanahan, would Snyder have the nerve to start over again? Does Shanahan have any interest in hanging around with so little offensive talent?

:popcorn:

It will be an interesting off season.

I don't see how Haslett stays. He has, on paper, the pieces for a solid defense.

As for the offense, we knew going in that the pieces simply ain't there; mediocre O line, low talent level at skill and quarterbacks that needed solid D and a good running game to be effective.

Injuries have eliminated any margin for error we had to begin with and the offense, instead of just being lame, actively makes things worse for the defense. We can't play a field position game which is what you have to do when you can't score; not make big mistakes.

As for Shanahan, would Snyder have the nerve to start over again? Does Shanahan have any interest in hanging around with so little offensive talent?

:popcorn:

Why do you give Shanahan that much credit? Has he ever done anything without John Elway?

Why do you give Shanahan that much credit? Has he ever done anything without John Elway?

That is along the lines of what I am saying. Far from giving Mike credit for being some sort of great, young new coach, like, say, Harbaugh in San Fran or even Payton in Nola, I am suggesting Mike knows damn well he ain't going anywhere fast in DC. He, for sure, has no Elway. He also is a long way from a decent line and has very little at skill.

So, the only thing I am giving him credit for is recognizing he ain't got the horses on his side of the team and the D, most surprising, isn't there to give his side of the ball any wiggle room.

That is along the lines of what I am saying. Far from giving Mike credit for being some sort of great, young new coach, like, say, Harbaugh in San Fran or even Payton in Nola, I am suggesting Mike knows damn well he ain't going anywhere fast in DC. He, for sure, has no Elway. He also is a long way from a decent line and has very little at skill.

So, the only thing I am giving him credit for is recognizing he ain't got the horses on his side of the team and the D, most surprising, isn't there to give his side of the ball any wiggle room.

:buddies: Gotcha, I misunderstood. I didn't understand all of the hype when he came to DC. I think it's going to take a young fresh mind to come in and fix the debacle in Washington...well, that and getting rid of the owner....

And, on that note, wow....Harbaugh..he's something isn't he?

:buddies: Gotcha, I misunderstood. I didn't understand all of the hype when he came to DC. I think it's going to take a young fresh mind to come in and fix the debacle in Washington...well, that and getting rid of the owner....

And, on that note, wow....Harbaugh..he's something isn't he?

Mike brought Kyle who was supposed to be the young, innovative new guy to Mike's stable, been there, done that over-seeing.

The thing I don't get is the fact that is does NOT matter who coaches this team; teams have gone 0-16, 1 win, 2, 3, 4 and ANYONE could walk into an NFL team as coach and get that much done. Anyone. On the other side, the odds of being a solid, really good team depends on ONE thing; a few key stars and a steady supply of young, fresh bodies. Any GOOD coach can win 9, 10, 11 games with that.

So, why not some young, new guy?

Well, Snyder has tried it all, from Zorn and Spurrier to Gibbs II to now Mike. Throw in Norv and Marty.

You've identified the problem and also, the improbability of change. Snyder wants to win, of that, I have NO doubt but, there isn't the patience and consistency on his part to be dedicated to making sure WHOMEVER is coaching, they have, at the very least, a steady supply of young, fresh bodies.

Oh, wait. He's tried that, too. We've drafted for WR's. We've drafted for defense. We've drafted for depth. The Redskins are just stuck in a vicious cycle of being out of sync with what we have and what we need. Just as soon as one need is addressed, it either doesn't work, the WR's (Thomas and Kelly) or another problem pops up. I mean, right now, the D SHOULD be good enough to get most teams to 8-8. Dan, by design or not, put a lot into the defense and it simply isn't working.

So, as usual, now what?

Mike brought Kyle who was supposed to be the young, innovative new guy to Mike's stable, been there, done that over-seeing.

The thing I don't get is the fact that is does NOT matter who coaches this team; teams have gone 0-16, 1 win, 2, 3, 4 and ANYONE could walk into an NFL team as coach and get that much done. Anyone. On the other side, the odds of being a solid, really good team depends on ONE thing; a few key stars and a steady supply of young, fresh bodies. Any GOOD coach can win 9, 10, 11 games with that.

So, why not some young, new guy?

Well, Snyder has tried it all, from Zorn and Spurrier to Gibbs II to now Mike. Throw in Norv and Marty.

You've identified the problem and also, the improbability of change. Snyder wants to win, of that, I have NO doubt but, there isn't the patience and consistency on his part to be dedicated to making sure WHOMEVER is coaching, they have, at the very least, a steady supply of young, fresh bodies.

Oh, wait. He's tried that, too. We've drafted for WR's. We've drafted for defense. We've drafted for depth. The Redskins are just stuck in a vicious cycle of being out of sync with what we have and what we need. Just as soon as one need is addressed, it either doesn't work, the WR's (Thomas and Kelly) or another problem pops up. I mean, right now, the D SHOULD be good enough to get most teams to 8-8. Dan, by design or not, put a lot into the defense and it simply isn't working.

So, as usual, now what?

I don't consider someone bringing his snotty kid along as the fresh innovative change required.

A. It's his kid, he didn't get there on his own merit....

B. It's his kid, if he has an idea that daddy doesn't like, do you think it really flies?


Unfortunately like you saw in Oakland, the great thing (for the owner) about being an owner is you never get fired for doing a crappy job. Snyder would have long since been gone if that was the case.

If you continue to do different things with the same result, and you are the only common thread, it's probably you...:killingme

Is Elway available?

And, on that note, wow....Harbaugh..he's something isn't he?

Harbaugh walked into a perfect situation in San Fran, alot of people picked them to get to the playoffs LAST year under Singletary. They were a coming team.

The only good thing about Shanahan is that Snyder is keeping his mitts off the team. Any other coach/GM wouldn't have the arrogance of Shanny to keep Snyder in his place. The skins are a long long way from being a good team, it will be years before they recover from the Snyder/Cerrato regime.

Harbaugh walked into a perfect situation in San Fran, alot of people picked them to get to the playoffs LAST year under Singletary. They were a coming team.

The only good thing about Shanahan is that Snyder is keeping his mitts off the team. Any other coach/GM wouldn't have the arrogance of Shanny to keep Snyder in his place. The skins are a long long way from being a good team, it will be years before they recover from the Snyder/Cerrato regime.

I think this very second Snyder is figuring out how to trade for the top pick so he can get Andrew Luck.

As for Shanahan, would Snyder have the nerve to start over again? Does Shanahan have any interest in hanging around with so little offensive talent?

:popcorn:

I beg to differ, I think there's a lot of OFFENSIVE talent on this team.

I beg to differ, I think there's a lot of OFFENSIVE talent on this team.

:lol: What was the nickname the announcer used for Grossman yesterday? TrainRex?

The only good thing about Shanahan is that Snyder is keeping his mitts off the team. Any other coach/GM wouldn't have the arrogance of Shanny to keep Snyder in his place. The skins are a long long way from being a good team, it will be years before they recover from the Snyder/Cerrato regime.

How can you be sure of this? How do you explain the musical chairs with QB? It has all the signs of Snottie meddling.

Harbaugh walked into a perfect situation in San Fran, alot of people picked them to get to the playoffs LAST year under Singletary. They were a coming team.



Yeah, but, he is still getting them to step up. It wasn't 'perfect' for Mike.

:shrug:

How do you explain the musical chairs with QB?

Sometimes it comes up heads, sometimes tails. :shrug:

Yeah, but, he is still getting them to step up. It wasn't 'perfect' for Mike.

:shrug:

I agree, that team isn't that different this year..Harbaugh has gotten results, Alex Smith was for all intents and purposes a failure in the eyes of everyone last year..they were going to give up on him and start over. Harbaugh has him looking what I would call "Eli Manning" efficient. It isn't always pretty...but you can't argue with the results.

Sometimes it comes up heads, sometimes tails. :shrug:

Strange way to pick your starting QB. Is Shanahan flipping the coin or Snyder?

Strange way to pick your starting QB. Is Shanahan flipping the coin or Snyder?

It's definitely NOT Snyder. Rex is Kyle's guy and Beck is Mike's guy and every week they have a pissing contest to see who will start. It's obvious now that Kyle's prostate is in better shape.

Shanahan is prick enough to say, "Mr. Snyder is the owner and what he says goes."

Larry - Our secondary is horrendous right now and I don't think that much of the personnel falls into Haz's lap.

Landry
Doughty :yay:
Hall
Westbrook
Barnes(?)

Landry is not playing up to his pre injury 2010 level. Doughty has always struggled in pass coverage (so does LL) D. Hall couldn't cover me on his best day, Westbrook is a special teamer at best and Barnes has yet to catch up to the speed at this level.

Our corners do not play press coverage ever and most big pass plays are on Mr. Mouth's side of the field. (Slant and go, 23 on 1).

Larry - Our secondary is horrendous right now and I don't think that much of the personnel falls into Haz's lap.

Landry
Doughty :yay:
Hall
Westbrook
Barnes(?)

Landry is not playing up to his pre injury 2010 level. Doughty has always struggled in pass coverage (so does LL) D. Hall couldn't cover me on his best day, Westbrook is a special teamer at best and Barnes has yet to catch up to the speed at this level.

Our corners do not play press coverage ever and most big pass plays are on Mr. Mouth's side of the field. (Slant and go, 23 on 1).

Granted. However, teams, no team, can have 11 all pro's on either side of the ball and our secondary, frankly, has two well above average talents and at least competent guys throughout. The thing is, better teams have better 'primaries' if you will, the front 7. That makes the secondary better and that hasn't worked for us.

The Giants, when they beat the Pats in the SB, had a very, very average secondary. They just happened to have one of the best front fours around which made their decent LB's better which made the secondary better and they shut down one of the greatest offenses of all time.

Our secondary should be better because our front 7 should be better.

And they ain't.

:buddies: