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SJSWING
01-19-2012, 02:22 PM
Looking at purchasing a new vehicle. We were asked by the finance office if we wanted Gap insurance. I know in some cases this is good, but in others not so good. We are putting a sufficent amount of money down on the vehicle (over 5000) while the vehicle is totaling just over 17000. Should we purchase the gap insurance they are offering, or should the money be good enough of a down payment to cover the depreciation when we drive it off of the lot.
Your thoughts?
Crewdawg141
01-19-2012, 02:56 PM
Looking at purchasing a new vehicle. We were asked by the finance office if we wanted Gap insurance. I know in some cases this is good, but in others not so good. We are putting a sufficent amount of money down on the vehicle (over 5000) while the vehicle is totaling just over 17000. Should we purchase the gap insurance they are offering, or should the money be good enough of a down payment to cover the depreciation when we drive it off of the lot.
Your thoughts?
The better question is where do you live, where do you drive and park your car normally, and how is the vehicle operated? How long is it financed for? Also very important, what kind of car is it? Is it worth more in parts than whole?
tonyb
01-19-2012, 10:35 PM
In your best interest on a new vehicle. its prefereable to buy GAP insurance.
Once a vehicle is driven off the lot, depreciation begins, no matter how much you don't agree with it. Your regular auto insurance is designed to pay the vehicle's current cash value -- not the current loan balance.
Say - You buy a $20K vehicle, and a month later after ownership and numerous miles you have an accident that totals the vehicle.
An insurance appraiser approves it at $16k totaling costs and your loan is still $20k plus interest. (Aside from your down payment).
You have to come up with the additional $4K plus interest costs to buy off the remaining amount of the loan.
So, research it in full before you buy or decline GAP insurance and whether or not it is actually right for you to purchase and your given budget constraints.
Good Luck..
imo,
tonyb
aps45819
01-20-2012, 06:45 AM
Look up the blue book value of your car.
The difference between that number and you loan payoff is the amount you'll be required to pay if the car gets totaled.
Do you need a separate insurance policy to cover that amount?
Yes - get the insurance, No - don't
lovinmaryland
01-20-2012, 09:34 AM
Defintely get the Gap coverage. Or better yet check around for your loan. Several carries offer total debt cancellation for no cost included in the financing. State Farm for one.
I can not tell you how many clients I have seen over the years who have been stuck w/ thousands of $$$ for a vehicle that has been totaled out.
Better safe than sorry :buddies:
Chasey_Lane
01-20-2012, 09:49 AM
Look up the blue book value of your car.
The difference between that number and you loan payoff is the amount you'll be required to pay if the car gets totaled.
GAP insurance only covers the principle payoff; not interest.
aps45819
01-20-2012, 10:01 AM
GAP insurance only covers the principle payoff; not interest.
interest stops accruing once you pay it off
Chasey_Lane
01-20-2012, 10:15 AM
interest stops accruing once you pay it off
Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Softballkid
01-20-2012, 10:49 AM
State Farm told us not to get it because our full coverage policy covers the loan pay off, no matter the loan total left. :shrug:
Larry Gude
01-20-2012, 10:56 AM
Looking at purchasing a new vehicle. We were asked by the finance office if we wanted Gap insurance. I know in some cases this is good, but in others not so good. We are putting a sufficent amount of money down on the vehicle (over 5000) while the vehicle is totaling just over 17000. Should we purchase the gap insurance they are offering, or should the money be good enough of a down payment to cover the depreciation when we drive it off of the lot.
Your thoughts?
Absolutely, 100% yes. How much is it, $200-300?
Yes.
itsbob
01-20-2012, 10:58 AM
GAP insurance is another dealer "incentive" for their salesman to make more money.
Just like extended warranties, and after market warranties, undercoating, rustproofing, paint protection, etc.. etc.. the commission on those sales is HUGE. The ONLY person that benefits from it is the salesman.
Larry Gude
01-20-2012, 11:01 AM
GAP insurance is another dealer "incentive" for their salesman to make more money.
Just like extended warranties, and after market warranties, undercoating, rustproofing, paint protection, etc.. etc.. the commission on those sales is HUGE. The ONLY person that benefits from it is the salesman.
Extended warranties do pay off once in awhile. it all boils down to several grand out of pocket if everything goes bad or a couple hundred now for a bit of piece of mind.
Chasey_Lane
01-20-2012, 11:18 AM
State Farm told us not to get it because our full coverage policy covers the loan pay off, no matter the loan total left. :shrug:
That's interesting. Wouldn't SF consider the value of the vehicle and not what is owed on the loan? It's like buying a house -- a lender wouldn't loan you more money than the house is worth, so why would SF pay out more than a vehicle is worth?
SBK -- do you have some sort of "addendum" to your policy?
I'd like Lovin to explain that one (if she doesn't mind).
kwillia
01-20-2012, 11:22 AM
State Farm told us not to get it because our full coverage policy covers the loan pay off, no matter the loan total left. :shrug:
That's interesting. Wouldn't SF consider the value of the vehicle and not what is owed on the loan? It's like buying a house -- a lender wouldn't loan you more money than the house is worth, so why would SF pay out more than a vehicle is worth?
SBK -- do you have some sort of "addendum" to your policy?
I'd like Lovin to explain that one (if she doesn't mind).
I believe Lovin's previous post addressed this already... and it sounds like it is written in the policy that way so I'm sure the price of the policy covers it as they wouldn't do it for free.
Defintely get the Gap coverage. Or better yet check around for your loan. Several carries offer total debt cancellation for no cost included in the financing. State Farm for one.
I can not tell you how many clients I have seen over the years who have been stuck w/ thousands of $$$ for a vehicle that has been totaled out.
Better safe than sorry :buddies:
lovinmaryland
01-20-2012, 11:22 AM
State Farm told us not to get it because our full coverage policy covers the loan pay off, no matter the loan total left. :shrug:
Your auto insurance does not cover GAP so who ever told you that is incorrect. State Farm Auto Loans automatically include Total Debt Cancellation (Their version of Gap) So if you have a loan through State Farm then yes you would be fine. Otherwise no you are not.
GAP insurance is another dealer "incentive" for their salesman to make more money.
Just like extended warranties, and after market warranties, undercoating, rustproofing, paint protection, etc.. etc.. the commission on those sales is HUGE. The ONLY person that benefits from it is the salesman.
Not true at all! The second you drive that car off the lot it decreases in value. Insurance companies are only going to pay what the veh is worth at the time of the crash. NOT what you paid for it.
I have had clients who opted to pass on GAP coverage on brand new veh's to only have someone hit them days later totaling the veh. They were stuck w/ a $2500 difference.
Chasey_Lane
01-20-2012, 11:22 AM
I believe Lovin's previous post addressed this already... and it sounds like it is written in the policy that way so I'm sure the price of the policy covers it as they wouldn't do it for free.
Aaah, I missed her post. Thanks!! :buddies:
Softballkid
01-20-2012, 12:16 PM
Your auto insurance does not cover GAP so who ever told you that is incorrect. State Farm Auto Loans automatically include Total Debt Cancellation (Their version of Gap) So if you have a loan through State Farm then yes you would be fine. Otherwise no you are not.
All I know, is with my motorcycle, SUV, and camper policies, I was told not to worry about gap because if something was totaled, it would be fully taken care of. Camper was totalled in the hurricane, they covered every cent I owed :shrug: Knock on wood, I won't have to find out about the SUV and the motorcycle :yay:
itsbob
01-20-2012, 01:04 PM
GAP Insurance was designed to cover the balance due to the bank after the car insurance policy pays. In many instances, the car dealer will try to sell you GAP insurance and include it on your car note. This is convenient, but you will find it can be quite expensive, plus you end up paying interest on the GAP insurance. It is suggested that you call your insurance agent as in most cases, your insurance agent can offer GAP coverage for a much cheaper price and you won’t have to pay interest on the premiums
Howzat?
kwillia
01-20-2012, 01:13 PM
Howzat?Paying for the gap insurance on the car note is the idiotic part simply because you are paying x number of years of interest on that payment. Gap insurance should be purchased directly via your insurance coverage and it can be dropped at any time you chose which allows you to only carry it during the period where your loan and the value of the car meet up again.
SJSWING
01-20-2012, 03:05 PM
Thank you all for your opinion on if we should get gap or not. We are looking at purchasing a 2012 Focus Hatchback that is used. Unfortunately I have not been able to pull up a Blue book value on that model as it is still considered "new".
I was thinking with the significant amount of money down and the vehicle being driven locally for the most part (besides maybe a trip to dc or baltimore), then the mileage would stay rather low.
It is a younger lady driving the vehicle. She did total her last vehicle. It is something I am really stuck on....with the last vehicle being totaled by insurance I am wanting to jump on board w/ gap insurance.
On the other hand, we are getting the vehicle at a pretty decent price, while the first owner has already taken the hit for driving it off of the lot. I am hesitant due to the fact that there will not be a lot of miles, <20,000 a year, on the vehicle. I guess I will see what the car company says to do when we go back to financing. The salesman seems to be pretty nice and not up our behinds while looking around the lot.
itsbob
01-20-2012, 04:19 PM
Thank you all for your opinion on if we should get gap or not. We are looking at purchasing a 2012 Focus Hatchback that is used. Unfortunately I have not been able to pull up a Blue book value on that model as it is still considered "new".
I was thinking with the significant amount of money down and the vehicle being driven locally for the most part (besides maybe a trip to dc or baltimore), then the mileage would stay rather low.
It is a younger lady driving the vehicle. She did total her last vehicle. It is something I am really stuck on....with the last vehicle being totaled by insurance I am wanting to jump on board w/ gap insurance.
On the other hand, we are getting the vehicle at a pretty decent price, while the first owner has already taken the hit for driving it off of the lot. I am hesitant due to the fact that there will not be a lot of miles, <20,000 a year, on the vehicle. I guess I will see what the car company says to do when we go back to financing. The salesman seems to be pretty nice and not up our behinds while looking around the lot.
For a good guesstimate.. Take the KBB price for new and deduct 25%.
aps45819
01-20-2012, 05:15 PM
For a good guesstimate.. Take the KBB price for new and deduct 25%.
There is usually very little difference in the asking price of a current year used and a new car. Unless you're coming in at leat $5K under the price of new, get a better deal.
calvcopf
02-08-2012, 02:00 PM
Looking at purchasing a new vehicle. We were asked by the finance office if we wanted Gap insurance. I know in some cases this is good, but in others not so good. We are putting a sufficent amount of money down on the vehicle (over 5000) while the vehicle is totaling just over 17000. Should we purchase the gap insurance they are offering, or should the money be good enough of a down payment to cover the depreciation when we drive it off of the lot.
Your thoughts?
GAP It!
GAP insurance is definitely worth it. My new car was a total loss after hitting a deer at highway speeds. If I would not have had GAP, I would have still owed over $3,000 dollars on a car that I no longer owed. They do not make it easy to file a GAP claim. You have to submit all of the paperwork from your lender, insurance company and fill out the claim forms yourself. But a few hours of paperwork is much better than owing lots of money, especially since you will not have a car at that time and will be looking to purchase another car. I was skeptical of GAP at the dealership too, but I sure was glad that I got it. I highly recommend getting it!
KDENISE977
02-08-2012, 02:17 PM
I was a finance manager for 10 years, I sold GAP at the dealership, made a lot of money doing so. GAP is worth it in some instances and when purchased at a reasonable price. I have also worked for banks and credit unions in the lending departments. Again, GAP has proven worth the cost, as long as it's a reasonable cost, time and time again. It always depends on your loan to value, finance terms, etc. If you took out an extended term such as 72 months or longer it's usually your best bet to purchase it and have it if needed, rather than need it and not have it !! You'll find people who will swear by it and you'll have several different explanations and names it's called. GAP insurance stands for guaranteed auto protection, and it's can range anywhere from 100% pay off to only covering ACV (actual cash value). What it all depends on is the company who is selling the coverage, not the dealership or the finance company. You receive a prorated refund if you cancel it or trade in the car. There are TONS AND TONS of different companies selling GAP insurance or something like it, auto finance companies, banks, credit unions, etc.
USAA financed my last vehicle purchase. Navy Federal was runner up. At the time, both of them included a GAP provision at 0 cost to me.
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