Link to original article. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/03/mormon-church-to-warn-mem_0_n_1318212.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003)

"Mormon church leaders say the church's policy of not performing posthumous baptisms of Holocaust victims and others unrelated to its members will be reiterated worldwide during Sunday services.

The announcement this week follows outrage over recent claims that Mormon temples posthumously baptized the family of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal, along with Anne Frank, a Jewish teenager forced into hiding in Amsterdam during the Holocaust and killed in a concentration camp, and other notable Jewish figures.

"Without exception, Church members must not submit for proxy temple ordinances any names from unauthorized groups, such as celebrities and Jewish Holocaust victims," reads a letter sent to church leaders around the world.

It further states that disciplinary action will be taken against those who continue to perform proxy baptisms, and included directions that the letter be read to members during the next sacrament meeting."

Link to original article. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/03/mormon-church-to-warn-mem_0_n_1318212.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003)

"Mormon church leaders say the church's policy of not performing posthumous baptisms of Holocaust victims and others unrelated to its members will be reiterated worldwide during Sunday services.

The announcement this week follows outrage over recent claims that Mormon temples posthumously baptized the family of Holocaust survivor and Jewish rights advocate Simon Wiesenthal, along with Anne Frank, a Jewish teenager forced into hiding in Amsterdam during the Holocaust and killed in a concentration camp, and other notable Jewish figures.

"Without exception, Church members must not submit for proxy temple ordinances any names from unauthorized groups, such as celebrities and Jewish Holocaust victims," reads a letter sent to church leaders around the world.

It further states that disciplinary action will be taken against those who continue to perform proxy baptisms, and included directions that the letter be read to members during the next sacrament meeting."

In order to make things right, the LDS needs to officially declare that all of the "baptism by proxy ceremonies" that have ever been performed without the knowledge and consent of the relatives of the deceased are hereby null and void and that such records shall be individually removed/deleted from church files.

:rolleyes: What would that solve? In case you are not aware, baptism has nothing to do with records or paper, or with humans declaring them "null and void." There's someone more important involved, and I doubt that he cares if some documents get shredded.

There are only two possibilities here: either the Mormons are right and God approves, or the Mormons are wrong and the ceremonies are meaningless.

There is no harm to the non-Mormons, so why the freak-out?

:rolleyes: What would that solve? In case you are not aware, baptism has nothing to do with records or paper, or with humans declaring them "null and void."

Okay, but how does the LDS keep track of these baptisms by proxy? Or do they? Also, still waiting to have you or someone from LDS share about the "confirmation room" procedure.


There's someone more important involved, and I doubt that he cares if some documents get shredded.

There are only two possibilities here: either the Mormons are right and God approves, or the Mormons are wrong and the ceremonies are meaningless.


I know that Mormons have good intentions and really believe that people get a second chance to be saved" after he/she has died. However, according to the New Testament, Salvation is sealed in the here and now and not in the afterlife. Once a person dies, they either die as a saved soul or a lost soul and await Judgment Day.

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."(Hebrews 9:27-28)




There is no harm to the non-Mormons, so why the freak-out?

Not freaking out - just following up on the legitimate comments of the non- Mormons regarding the LDS baptisms by proxy that have been conducted without the knowledge and/or consent of the relatives of the deceased.
Isn't that being rather dishonest - especially after such activities were to have been stopped due to prior complaints?

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I know that Mormons have good intentions and really believe that people get a second chance to be saved" after he/she has died. However, according to the New Testament, Salvation is sealed in the here and now and not in the afterlife. Once a person dies, they either die as a saved soul or a lost soul and await Judgment Day.

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."(Hebrews 9:27-28)

Right on, Sm3000m. A persons eternal destination is sealed once their last breath has been taken. I think the best example in the Bible is the poor beggar and the rich man in Luke 16:19 - 31, specifically v 26:

"And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

Friends, that means both physically and spiritually, which means salvation or not.

In layman's terms: Once you're dead, there is no changing your eternal status in the eyes of God. Praying, lamenting for a dead soul, or "baptizing" one, can do nothing to help any dead person. It may help those individuals performing such rituals feel better, but will not change the deceased' standing about judgement.

Baptism is simply a public outward-expression of an inward-conversion. One of only two ordinances the Lord left his disciples with to pass on to future generations in showing obedience and remembrance of Him.

If you ain't there to get all wet, in breathing human body, then it means absolutely nothing.

Also, still waiting to have you or someone from LDS share about the "confirmation room" procedure.



Your curiosity about the confirmation process is an obvious attempt to find another reason to slam the Mormons. I will not help you in your quest to demean everyone who is not in lock step with you.

Your curiosity about the confirmation process is an obvious attempt to find another reason to slam the Mormons. I will not help you in your quest to demean everyone who is not in lock step with you.

Slamming Mormons? Lock step? What? Very thin skinned you seem to be.

I myself am curious to see the confirmation process and the scriptural backing for such a procedure.

Or, not being Mormon, am I not allowed to see it or how it is performed?

Your curiosity about the confirmation process is an obvious attempt to find another reason to slam the Mormons. I will not help you in your quest to demean everyone who is not in lock step with you.

Sorry you feel that way MMDad. That was an honest question and was not meant to "slam the Mormons" but to find out how the LDS "confirms" the baptisms by proxy in the confirmation room.

Sorry you feel that way MMDad. That was an honest question and was not meant to "slam the Mormons" but to find out how the LDS "confirms" the baptisms by proxy in the confirmation room.

And once you find out, you'll then slam them.

And once you find out, you'll then slam them.

Um...did you just slam me? :shrug:

Um...did you just slam me? :shrug:

Not really, but if you'd like to think so I'm ok with that.

Not really,..

I'll take your word for it; I'm ok with that. :buddies: