The CW seems to be coming to the conclusion that the Redskins HAVE to get RGIII. Some point to the fact that Shanahan has never done well absent absolutely top level talent at QB and did a great job helping develop a young Elway and a young...Young...before coming back to Denver to win back to back with Elway. And also add that, if we're gonna get good under Mike's leadership, he's gotta start winning this coming year. Others argue that Griffin, regardless of Shanahan, would be our franchise guy for a decade or more.

I can go with the later and I think the former is absurd. As good as Young was, he was on, essentially, an all Star team and Elway was one of the great one man shows of all time, perennially leading Denver to winning seasons with all sorts of shortcomings on those teams winning it all only at the end of his career with very good defenses and solid running games.

Now, it should go without saying that it is quite a tall order to classify Griffin in that class considering they are both Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Elway being, to some, the best ever. He, RGIII, would have to be THAT good to win anytime soon as a Redskin because we are so devoid of skill talent and have an average O line not to mention an under performing D whose heart and soul is entering his 15th year.

If we get him, I think it is for the long term and I don't know that he should start any time soon. The Eagles put McNabb in as a rookie and he did OK but, I think it stunted him for the rest of his career. Lotta bad habits develop when so much is on you and you spend most of your time running for your life.

I don't think you shell out two #1's and all the rest they're talking about to get him. Build the team sez I.

:buddies:

I'm going to have to disagree with you Larry. I say burn the two first rounders, take advantage of the new rookie salary cap for RGIII, and trade some end of contract players (ahem, Landry) for free agents or picks hopefully. There is strong support from Pats fans to acquire Landry but who knows Billzabub will do there. I'm sure there are others we could part with that still have a future in the NFL.

Keep Sexy Rexy as the starter, deal Beck, move up for RG, use some of that cap room to pick up some FAs and look for some gems in the junk in the later rounds.

Head to Vegas, or Charles Town in your case and hit the tables.

Anther "rebuilding" season for the Skinnies, huh? :killingme

Anther "rebuilding" season for the Skinnies, huh? :killingme

It keeps us out of trouble ...































and the playoffs:killingme

It keeps us out of trouble ...


uhhhh..... Fred Davis & Trent Williams :confused:

uhhhh..... Fred Davis & Trent Williams :confused:

Too much time on their hands I guess. I would love to have traded one of them. Fred Davis and a tractor trailer full of cheetos for a decent cover corner.:cool:

Too much time on their hands I guess. I would love to have traded one of them. Fred Davis and a tractor trailer full of cheetos for a decent cover corner.:cool:

Hey, maybe the weed helped...:shrug: He had a hell of a season!

Wonder if he played better on grass over turf... :confused:

Hey, maybe the weed helped...:shrug: He had a hell of a 3/4 season!

Wonder if he played better on grass over turf... :confused:

:fixed:

Speak of the Devil....

Redskins to make TE Fred Davis their franchise player

Redskins to make TE Fred Davis their franchise player - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/2/redskins-te-fred-davis-franchise-player/)

The CW seems to be coming to the conclusion that the Redskins HAVE to get RGIII. Some point to the fact that Shanahan has never done well absent absolutely top level talent at QB and did a great job helping develop a young Elway and a young...Young...before coming back to Denver to win back to back with Elway. And also add that, if we're gonna get good under Mike's leadership, he's gotta start winning this coming year. Others argue that Griffin, regardless of Shanahan, would be our franchise guy for a decade or more.

I can go with the later and I think the former is absurd. As good as Young was, he was on, essentially, an all Star team and Elway was one of the great one man shows of all time, perennially leading Denver to winning seasons with all sorts of shortcomings on those teams winning it all only at the end of his career with very good defenses and solid running games.

Now, it should go without saying that it is quite a tall order to classify Griffin in that class considering they are both Hall of Fame quarterbacks, Elway being, to some, the best ever. He, RGIII, would have to be THAT good to win anytime soon as a Redskin because we are so devoid of skill talent and have an average O line not to mention an under performing D whose heart and soul is entering his 15th year.

If we get him, I think it is for the long term and I don't know that he should start any time soon. The Eagles put McNabb in as a rookie and he did OK but, I think it stunted him for the rest of his career. Lotta bad habits develop when so much is on you and you spend most of your time running for your life.

I don't think you shell out two #1's and all the rest they're talking about to get him. Build the team sez I.

:buddies:
I don't think having the best QB is going to be any help if he doesn't have time, build up a monster front line and anybody can work behind it.

RGIII or bust. I'm all in.

I want my own franchise guy. I'm tired of getting retreads and washed up QBs.

Yes, it is time to build our team.

RGIII is at top speed in two steps or less, a mediocre (but constantly improving) OL is sufficient with that type of speed.

Looking into my near flawless crystal ball, here is what it says;

STAY THE COURSE.

This means no RGIII and no Peyton Manning.

Folks are making the argument for both but, after all the considerations, the pro's of getting one or the other, either one will represent a return to what ails this team; glitter over gold. It would simply cost too much to go either way and I am talking the draft picks to get RG or the draft picks traded to get Manning some sort of live bodies to work with.

First, Manning. Folks are saying Snyder is, if nothing else, a salesman and got Spurrier, Gibbs, Shanahan, et al, so, he could sell him on the Skins and DC. Yeah, and it hasn't worked. None of those people had to line up and trust their blind side to a kid who still smokes dope and whose best offensive weapon has the same recreational priorities, both working for an organization that sees fit to keep people like that. While the Skins may have cut back on the mistakes of the past, those two still being here represents a direct connection to the past. I see NO way Manning comes here by choice and if Snyder simply makes him an offer he can't refuse, like he's done others who really didn't want to be here, then, that is THE signal that the experiment is over and Dan is back in the drivers seat.

As for RGIII, whatever difference Manning may, MAY be able to make in a losing team because of his elite status at this level, Griffin has yet to take an NFL snap. He can't make up for lack of talent like Manning could. At least not yet. What it would cost in draft picks, to me, is a set back just as big as getting Manning.

Stay the course, Use the picks, trade 'em perhaps, and add even more picks. BUILD the team. Don't 'buy' it.

:buddies:

Manning is not going to sign to team that is "rebuilding".... Skins have no chance.

Manning is not going to sign to team that is "rebuilding".... Skins have no chance.

The writers say, if there is a chance, it's because of his relationship with Shanahan and questions about the other choices, namely Miami with a rookie head coach. There is no way I see it, no way at all unless Snyder gets absurd with the money. Even then, it makes very little sense.

Miami is the leading contender for a lot of reasons. A right tackle, solid defense, good skill people and he already has a home there so, he likes Miami. Add to that TWO games a year against Brady and the potential of playing his brother in the Super Bowl. That is a lot more enticing, in my view, than playing Eli twice a year but, never a chance at the Superbowl.

The writers say, if there is a chance, it's because of his relationship with Shanahan and questions about the other choices, namely Miami with a rookie head coach. There is no way I see it, no way at all unless Snyder gets absurd with the money. Even then, it makes very little sense.

Miami is the leading contender for a lot of reasons. A right tackle, solid defense, good skill people and he already has a home there so, he likes Miami. Add to that TWO games a year against Brady and the potential of playing his brother in the Super Bowl. That is a lot more enticing, in my view, than playing Eli twice a year but, never a chance at the Superbowl.

Yeah, I highly doubt Manning will be influenced by the money... Homeboy wants to win and win now! hmmmm.... wonder what he would look like in a Dallas uniform...

I would rather see the Skins sign Manning or Flynn and pay them an absurd amount of money to get them instead of giving the draft picks to move up for RGIII, JMO

STAY THE COURSE.

We've been on this course for 20 years. Time for something new.

I'm all in. A talent such as RGIII will build your franchise. Other players will want to come here, play hard and succeed. We need many changes, passing up on a possible franchise QB (again) would dumbfound me.

Plus, whether fans want this or not, the time is ticking on Shanny. Without a QB he's in a division looking up. He won't be here for much longer if he doesn't start winning or a bright young QB shows promise (a la Cam Newton).

hmmmm.... wonder what he would look like in a Dallas uniform...

Same as everyone else looks in it; ###.


:evil:

We've been on this course for 20 years. Time for something new. We've been on the build responsibly and reasonably course for two years.

I'm all in. A talent such as RGIII will build your franchise. Other players will want to come here, play hard and succeed. I can see that argument We need many changes, passing up on a possible franchise QB (again) would dumbfound me. How many we 'pass' up? People wanted to move up for Sanchez. Dodged that bullet, yeah?

Plus, whether fans want this or not, the time is ticking on Shanny. Without a QB he's in a division looking up. He won't be here for much longer if he doesn't start winning or a bright young QB shows promise (a la Cam Newton).

I could care less about Shanahan. He is not the on the way up coach I think we need. Who comes back and wins anymore? No one.

The Peyton Manning recruiting adventure begins Friday with a visit to the Denver Broncos, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen.


Sources: Peyton Manning to visit Denver Broncos Friday - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7666110/peyton-manning-visit-denver-broncos-friday)

The Peyton Manning recruiting adventure begins Friday with a visit to the Denver Broncos, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen.


Sources: Peyton Manning to visit Denver Broncos Friday - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7666110/peyton-manning-visit-denver-broncos-friday)

He and Reggie Wayne were in Miami yesterday. I think that's where he goes. Denver is interesting as well. Great defense, solid running game. Just think, no more Tebow!

I could care less about Shanahan. He is not the on the way up coach I think we need. Who comes back and wins anymore? No one.

Well, if were to rid ourselves of Shanny, we'd be staying the course.:jameo:

Scared money doesn't make money.

Skins pull the blockbuster trade and move up to #2.:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

3 number 1s and a 2. That's not a trade. That is a disaster.

3 number 1s and a 2. That's not a trade. That is a disaster.

With past first rounders like Desmond Howard, Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, Rod Gardner, Patrick Ramsey, and Jason Campbell, it really doesn't matter that they won't have any for a while.

3 number 1s and a 2. That's not a trade. That is a disaster.

If you want an omelet, you gotta break some eggs. :shrug:

Think about great qb's or any position and how they got to their team. They were either the outright pick or argued for where they wanted to go. Name a trade for a bunch of high picks that worked. It set back New Orleans and Minnesota back each a decade.

There is something inherently built in to fail when that much is given for a guy.

Name one that worked.

3 number 1s and a 2. That's not a trade. That is a disaster.

26 reasons why this makes sense. Look at our last 26 QBs. Any other team in our position makes this happen. You can't put a limit on 'your guy', 'your franchise'.

Think about great qb's or any position and how they got to their team. They were either the outright pick or argued for where they wanted to go. Name a trade for a bunch of high picks that worked. It set back New Orleans and Minnesota back each a decade.

There is something inherently built in to fail when that much is given for a guy.

Name one that worked.You can't use that as an excuse. The New Orleans deal was worse. Plus the pool of examples is so small.

I could, however, refer to the Manning/Rivers trade. That worked out for the Giants.

Well, if were to rid ourselves of Shanny, we'd be staying the course.:jameo:

My point is that unproven coaches getting their shot is the path to enlightenment. The only 're-tread' coach that wins is Coughlin and he never stopped.

This whole thing is more, I think, about the Shanhans enjoying life together more than building a consistently excellent team.

You can't use that as an excuse. Why not? The New Orleans deal was worse. Plus the pool of examples is so small.

I could, however, refer to the Manning/Rivers trade. That worked out for the Giants.

Yes but, that was Eli demanding to not go to San Diego, like Elway refused to go to the Colts and those deals were just swaps.

This is a disaster. A calamity. A return to the marketing first mentality, more sizzle than steak ideology, that has gotten this team down and kept it down. He can sell product. Market it. Create buzz. That, is, typically, the by product of winning. Winning is not the by product of sizzle.

We still have an average, at best, D line. Excellence there is what makes the Giants a consistent winner. We still have, at best, an average O line with a kid more interested in getting high than being the best tackle in the league. The Pats and Packers have excelled at O line. Our heart and soul player is entering his 15th year with no heir apparent, Fletcher. Our special teams are merely average.

Just as we get our spending under control and restock the draft picks, a several year process, we revert. The scorpion has stung the croc. It is what it is.

How does this kid, how does ANYONE, live up to this trade? It can be done but, good lord, look at the challenges, the gaping holes in this team.

:shrug:

My point is that unproven coaches getting their shot is the path to enlightenment. The only 're-tread' coach that wins is Coughlin and he never stopped.

This whole thing is more, I think, about the Shanhans enjoying life together more than building a consistently excellent team.

That's a possibility. If they didn't draft 'their guy' they don't get the benefeit of the doubt in year 4 and 5.

Also keep in mind, the new rookie wage scale. Makes the price of a first rounder more managable.

Yes but, that was Eli demanding to not go to San Diego, like Elway refused to go to the Colts and those deals were just swaps.

This is a disaster. A calamity. A return to the marketing first mentality, more sizzle than steak ideology, that has gotten this team down and kept it down. He can sell product. Market it. Create buzz. That, is, typically, the by product of winning. Winning is not the by product of sizzle.

We still have an average, at best, D line. Excellence there is what makes the Giants a consistent winner. We still have, at best, an average O line with a kid more interested in getting high than being the best tackle in the league. The Pats and Packers have excelled at O line. Our heart and soul player is entering his 15th year with no heir apparent, Fletcher. Our special teams are merely average.

Just as we get our spending under control and restock the draft picks, a several year process, we revert. The scorpion has stung the croc. It is what it is.

How does this kid, how does ANYONE, live up to this trade? It can be done but, good lord, look at the challenges, the gaping holes in this team.

:shrug:Someone was going to make this trade. Most teams in our position would have done the same. You just can't put a price or be frugal with your franchise QB.

I don't see this as a reversion. Again, our biggest failing has been at the QB position. Holes can be filled through the draft as we've already seen Shanny make something out of nothing. Of course, being one of the top teams under the cap helps out a lot in free agency as well.

26 reasons why this makes sense. Look at our last 26 QBs. Any other team in our position makes this happen. You can't put a limit on 'your guy', 'your franchise'.

Eli Manning
Rogers
Roethsliburger
Brady
Bree's
Payton
Warner
Rex

Those guys are the starters of the last 6 super bowls.

Go back another 6

Where is the guy that someone traded the farm for? Hell, forget the Super bowl participants. Name anyone who so much was traded for that worked out even OK, just playoff caliber?

I just heard on the radio that the Redskins are still pursing Manning! Like he wants to come here, get the crap kicked out of him to play caddy to his replacement! He could stayed in Indy and done that! There's a complete lack of perspective if, and I say IF, the goal is winning. For the last two years it seemed things had changed. Stop with the stupid free agent signings, rebuild your picks, get younger and deeper and that is happening.

And now, poof. In a flash, it's gone. Now they HAVE to go buy skill people. They HAVE to buy linemen. So, we are right back to no picks and over paying which means we're right back to guys coming here to get paid, not to win.

Eli Manning
Rogers
Roethsliburger
Brady
Bree's
Payton
Warner
Rex

Those guys are the starters of the last 6 super bowls.

Go back another 6

Where is the guy that someone traded the farm for? Hell, forget the Super bowl participants. Name anyone who so much was traded for that worked out even OK, just playoff caliber?

I just heard on the radio that the Redskins are still pursing Manning! Like he wants to come here, get the crap kicked out of him to play caddy to his replacement! He could stayed in Indy and done that! There's a complete lack of perspective if, and I say IF, the goal is winning. For the last two years it seemed things had changed. Stop with the stupid free agent signings, rebuild your picks, get younger and deeper and that is happening.

And now, poof. In a flash, it's gone. Now they HAVE to go buy skill people. They HAVE to buy linemen. So, we are right back to no picks and over paying which means we're right back to guys coming here to get paid, not to win.
Should we have started Beck so that we can get that #1 pick next year? Draft one if these other Ramsey look-alikes with the #6 pick?

You see your guy, you don't wait. You don't flinch.

Someone was going to make this trade. Most teams in our position would have done the same. You just can't put a price or be frugal with your franchise QB. Yeah. Yeah you can.

I don't see this as a reversion. Again, our biggest failing has been at the QB position. Holes can be filled through the draft as we've already seen Shanny make something out of nothing. Of course, being one of the top teams under the cap helps out a lot in free agency as well.

Good teams win with average qb's. We are not a good team. We have LOTS of 'failings' and, with Fletcher entering his 15th year, this team is on the verge of losing our MVP.

Again, who has so over done it for their franchise guy?

Should we have started Beck so that we can get that #1 pick next year? Draft one if these other Ramsey look-alikes with the #6 pick?

You see your guy, you don't wait. You don't flinch.

All I can do is hope your right. Hope your right that we are blazing a trail of a whole new way to being a top team.

:buddies:

Good teams win with average qb's. We are not a good team. We have LOTS of 'failings' and, with Fletcher entering his 15th year, this team is on the verge of losing our MVP.

Again, who has so over done it for their franchise guy?The last SB MVP.

[QUOTE=Larry Gude;4778301]Good teams win with average qb's. We are not

Don't care who the quarterback is, with no decent frontline they will all fail for the skins. JMHO

Should we have started Beck so that we can get that #1 pick next year? Draft one if these other Ramsey look-alikes with the #6 pick?

You see your guy, you don't wait. You don't flinch.

Do you honestly think we'd have been a worse team with Beck? 980 was making the case the other day that we would have been a playoff team with Manning (obviously healthy) under center last year. They honestly seem to think that all the skill people that grew up with Payton would have just suddenly appeared out of our roster had Payton been our guy. Then, they assume, somehow, he would have lived through it.

As for Beck, the guys who thought so highly of Donovan and Beck and Rex, now they think RGIII is going to make us whole.

All I can do is hope your right. Hope your right that we are blazing a trail of a whole new way to being a top team.

:buddies:

Right or wrong we're all rooting for the same team.


I think this moves elevates more than one position. Free agents will be more enticed. This is also a shot of morale in the arm of this team.

Do you honestly think we'd have been a worse team with Beck? 980 was making the case the other day that we would have been a playoff team with Manning (obviously healthy) under center last year. They honestly seem to think that all the skill people that grew up with Payton would have just suddenly appeared out of our roster had Payton been our guy. Then, they assume, somehow, he would have lived through it.

As for Beck, the guys who thought so highly of Donovan and Beck and Rex, now they think RGIII is going to make us whole.

I don't think we'd win one game with Beck, honestly. He hasn't won a game yet.

Right or wrong we're all rooting for the same team.


I think this moves elevates more than one position. Free agents will be more enticed. This is also a shot of morale in the arm of this team.

I hope, all I can do is hope, you are right. I ain't seeing it.

I ain't seeing it.

:yeahthat:

Two more references...

Raiders gave up two #1s for a 'done' Carson Palmer. Atlanta gave up a ton to trade up for Julio Jones last year.

Two more references...

Raiders gave up two #1s for a 'done' Carson Palmer. Atlanta gave up a ton to trade up for Julio Jones last year.

We are not calling Palmer a success for the Raiders just yet are we?

We are not calling Palmer a success for the Raiders just yet are we?

Nope. I'd say Palmer is a bust for them. Just goes to show that the price tag doesn't matter much when it comes to a potential franchise QB. Teams reach and over pay all the time for something like this.

Nope. I'd say Palmer is a bust for them. Just goes to show that the price tag doesn't matter much when it comes to a potential franchise QB. Teams reach and over pay all the time for something like this.

:lol:

Got me there! I guess I should have said 'you don't do this sort of thing AND be successful."

:lol:

Snyder is a genius.... Go re-up you're season tickets for another year Skins fans.... He has you by the balls again. suckers...

Snyder is a genius.... Go re-up you're season tickets for another year Skins fans.... He has you by the balls again. suckers...

Yeah because that self-proclaimed 'dream team' sure worked out for Lurie. Philly will never win a SB but...

...they have 'passion'!:lmao:

If we get him, I think it is for the long term and I don't know that he should start any time soon. The Eagles put McNabb in as a rookie and he did OK but, I think it stunted him for the rest of his career. Lotta bad habits develop when so much is on you and you spend most of your time running for your life.

I don't think you shell out two #1's and all the rest they're talking about to get him. Build the team sez I.

:buddies:

No we shell out three #1's. Newton did allright his his first year in Carolina.

Damnnnnn!!!!! Skins lost $36 million of their Cap Space...:lmao:

Sources -- Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins lose millions in cap space - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space)

Damnnnnn!!!!! Skins lost $36 million of their Cap Space...:lmao:

Sources -- Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins lose millions in cap space - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space)
Oh really?

“The Washington Redskins have received no written documentation from the NFL concerning adjustments to the team salary cap in 2012 as reported in various media outlets.


"Every contract entered into by the club during the applicable periods complied with the 2010 and 2011 collective bargaining agreements and, in fact, were approved by the NFL commissioner’s office.


"We look forward to free agency, the draft and the coming football season.”


Redskins Statement On Salary Cap Reports (http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Statement-On-Salary-Cap-Reports/eeac9018-20f8-4796-90d8-a291ccfb66d6)

Oh really?



Redskins Statement On Salary Cap Reports (http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Statement-On-Salary-Cap-Reports/eeac9018-20f8-4796-90d8-a291ccfb66d6)

Dude they are up ****** river

Dude they are up ****** riverIt may look that way but...

Not really. Even if the league does impose this illegal sanction and the Redskins/Cowboys don't fight it, the Redskins have plenty of room to work. Last years left-over cap room counts towards this year. Plus they cut a bit of fat today in Atogwe and Sellers

http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/Schefter-Cap-penalty-is-a-battle-that-is?blockID=668650&feedID=6458

Schefter: Cap penalty is "a battle that is just beginning" (http://www.csnwashington.com/blog/redskins-talk/post/Schefter-Cap-penalty-is-a-battle-that-is?blockID=668650&feedID=6458)

Does Rich Tandler get paid for that crap?