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nhboy
03-08-2012, 10:21 AM
Link to original article. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/07/13-things-the-bible-forbids_n_1327701.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003#s655946&title=Men_With_Injured)
"Late last week Kirk Cameron gave a now infamous interview on "Piers Morgan Tonight" during which he discussed his feelings about homosexuality and marriage equality.
Cameron, a "devoted follower of Jesus Christ," stated that homosexuality is "unnatural... I think that it's detrimental, and ultimately destructive to so many of the foundations of civilization." He added, "Marriage was defined by God a long time ago. Marriage is almost as old as dirt, and it was defined in the garden between Adam and Eve -- one man, one woman for life till death do you part. So I would never attempt to try to redefine marriage."
This isn't the first time that the Bible has been used to justify anti-gay rhetoric.
When claiming that the Bible forbids homosexuality, most people point to Leviticus 18:22 which reads, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination."
But others have argued that the passage is merely one of many archaic religious laws that are no longer relevant to today's modern times and do not need to be upheld.
Below are 13 other things that the Bible forbids. How many are you guilty of doing?"
frogman123
03-08-2012, 10:49 AM
The Bible was also written by man, not God...
Starman3000m
03-08-2012, 12:15 PM
And Now For Today's Lesson:
Jesus said... I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Luke 5:32)
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:19-20)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:23)
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5:12)
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) (Romans 5:17)
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (1 Corinthians 15:21-22)
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (Romans 8:1-3)
Jesus said.., I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (John 11:25-26)
2ndAmendment
03-08-2012, 12:27 PM
Not ambiguous at all; no wiggle room at all.
Matthew 5:17-18
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
b23hqb
03-08-2012, 01:35 PM
The Bible was also written by man, not God...
The Bible was the inspired - God-breathed- words of God, penned by men through their own style and individual personalities. The words all came via the revelation of the Holy Spirt/Father/Son.
God did not just give thoughts to these writers and allow them to express those thoughts in their own words. They are God's own words.
Paul used the Greek term theopneustos, which means 'God-breathed' or 'breathed out by God,' and this tells us that the very Scriptures themselves are the creation of God, reflecting His very breath, His very speaking.
Lots of links to 'splain 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Here's one with a number of commentaries:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (http://bible.cc/2_timothy/3-16.htm)
rubberbandheart
03-08-2012, 09:34 PM
The Bible was the inspired - God-breathed- words of God, penned by men through their own style and individual personalities. The words all came via the revelation of the Holy Spirt/Father/Son.
God did not just give thoughts to these writers and allow them to express those thoughts in their own words. They are God's own words.
Paul used the Greek term theopneustos, which means 'God-breathed' or 'breathed out by God,' and this tells us that the very Scriptures themselves are the creation of God, reflecting His very breath, His very speaking.
Lots of links to 'splain 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Here's one with a number of commentaries:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (http://bible.cc/2_timothy/3-16.htm)
But aren't there discrepancies even among the four gospels? Why would God breathe one thing to one person and something different to another?
aps45819
03-08-2012, 09:48 PM
The problem isn't so much what Cameron said, it's the lefts refusal to accept that he's allowed to say it
2ndAmendment
03-09-2012, 01:17 AM
But aren't there discrepancies even among the four gospels? Why would God breathe one thing to one person and something different to another?
It is more that the translation into English and other languages were done by different groups of people even though they were working on the same translation.
Greek does not translate directly word for word into English. Nor does Hebrew-Aramaic.
But even those word choices do not hinder the meaning. The idea is the same even if different words were chosen for the translation. After all, words are only meant to impart ideas. Of course we humans are always changing the meaning of words from what they originally meant and then criticize the original text as being incorrect.
The Bible should be read in context of the time of the original writers. Since humans are so self centric, that is not easily done without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
But the idea sin is sin is valid. As far as homosexual behavior is concerned, at the time of the writing of the Bible, there were some distinct groups. Some that practiced homosexual acts as part of a religion, Sodomites, and those that knew it to be an abomination that stoned those caught in those acts to death.
The idea that God loves us, His creation in His image, so much that He was willing to sacrifice His only begotten Son for our sins is still presented clearly. The central theme of the Bible, people sin (with examples), God loves us (expressed numerous times), God provides His grace to those that believe Him (expressed numerous times), and God will have His will done including destroying those He loves that rebel against Him (again, expressed numerous times) is clear for those that take the time to actually read.
rubberbandheart
03-09-2012, 07:08 AM
It is more that the translation into English and other languages were done by different groups of people even though they were working on the same translation.
Greek does not translate directly word for word into English. Nor does Hebrew-Aramaic.
But even those word choices do not hinder the meaning. The idea is the same even if different words were chosen for the translation. After all, words are only meant to impart ideas. Of course we humans are always changing the meaning of words from what they originally meant and then criticize the original text as being incorrect.
The Bible should be read in context of the time of the original writers. Since humans are so self centric, that is not easily done without the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
But the idea sin is sin is valid. As far as homosexual behavior is concerned, at the time of the writing of the Bible, there were some distinct groups. Some that practiced homosexual acts as part of a religion, Sodomites, and those that knew it to be an abomination that stoned those caught in those acts to death.
The idea that God loves us, His creation in His image, so much that He was willing to sacrifice His only begotten Son for our sins is still presented clearly. The central theme of the Bible, people sin (with examples), God loves us (expressed numerous times), God provides His grace to those that believe Him (expressed numerous times), and God will have His will done including destroying those He loves that rebel against Him (again, expressed numerous times) is clear for those that take the time to actually read.
How do we know that more has not been changed or influenced by man? Why would God allow us to continue to worship something that has been tainted by man? There have been 2000 years of nutjobs in power with their own agendas. It seems that as far as believing the Bible goes, you're not only having faith in God but you're also putting your faith into 2000 years of mankind. I do believe in the underlying theme of the Bible. That Jesus died for our sins and all that. But some of it I can't wrap my head around.
b23hqb
03-09-2012, 09:52 AM
How do we know that more has not been changed or influenced by man? Why would God allow us to continue to worship something that has been tainted by man? There have been 2000 years of nutjobs in power with their own agendas. It seems that as far as believing the Bible goes, you're not only having faith in God but you're also putting your faith into 2000 years of mankind. I do believe in the underlying theme of the Bible. That Jesus died for our sins and all that. But some of it I can't wrap my head around.
Amen to your last sentence. The Bible tells us there are mysteries, that we will not fully understand until He reveals them to us. You have to keep in perspective that we are trying to comprehend the Creator, the God of the universe
Combine all the brain and computer power in the world, and we will not even approach what God has in his command, which is everything, including allowing people to make their own decisions and act out the way they do.
Each Gospel was recorded by a different person, with a different style and personality. Every word they penned was inspired by God, so God chose what they wrote down, to serve His purpose.
Here are some links that will help put this into perspective:
contradictions of the gospels - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?domains=carm.org&sitesearch=carm.org&q=contradictions+of+the+gospels)
Or just Google "contradictions of the Gospels, and you will find myriad resources.
There are no contradictions in the Gospels, in the sense that any invalidate anything that is written. Put into context within each book, and in context and concert with each other, they harmonize perfectly.
2ndAmendment
03-09-2012, 08:08 PM
How do we know that more has not been changed or influenced by man? Why would God allow us to continue to worship something that has been tainted by man? There have been 2000 years of nutjobs in power with their own agendas. It seems that as far as believing the Bible goes, you're not only having faith in God but you're also putting your faith into 2000 years of mankind. I do believe in the underlying theme of the Bible. That Jesus died for our sins and all that. But some of it I can't wrap my head around.
The scribes that would transcribe the original texts had to destroy any page the had more than three marks done incorrectly; a hash not crossed, a dot in the wrong place. They had to do the page over completely. Each page was checked by at least one chief scribe. There were no inaccuracies allowed.
Most of the time people have a hard time wrapping their head around something in the Bible because their own belief conflicts with what the Bible teaches. It is not the word of God that is incorrect; it is our belief.
b23hqb
03-09-2012, 08:33 PM
The scribes that would transcribe the original texts had to destroy any page the had more than three marks done incorrectly; a hash not crossed, a dot in the wrong place. They had to do the page over completely. Each page was checked by at least one chief scribe. There were no inaccuracies allowed.
Most of the time people have a hard time wrapping their head around something in the Bible because their own belief conflicts with what the Bible teaches. It is not the word of God that is incorrect; it is our belief.
2ndAmendment - right on the nose, dude.
Every jot and tittle: (jot) - the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet, (tittle) - the smallest mark that projects to distinguish one letter from another).....Matt 5:18, Luke 16:17......
Scripture is inerrant - from the smallest punctuation mark to the last letter.
Wow. Only God could do that.
Amen?
Starman3000m
03-09-2012, 10:24 PM
2ndAmendment - right on the nose, dude.
Every jot and tittle: (jot) - the smallest letter in the Hebrew alphabet, (tittle) - the smallest mark that projects to distinguish one letter from another).....Matt 5:18, Luke 16:17......
Scripture is inerrant - from the smallest punctuation mark to the last letter.
Wow. Only God could do that.
Amen?
Amen!
2ndAmendment
03-09-2012, 10:56 PM
Amen!
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