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Is It Ok If President Barack Obama is a Muslim?
By Gary DeMar
(Godfather Politics - March 13, 2102)

A new poll shows that a majority of voters in Mississippi and Alabama believe President Obama is a Muslim. He may be. He’s certainly a syncretist, someone who has no problem combining different and often contradictory belief systems. Obama’s not alone in adopting a form of worldview pluralism. These people are not aware that some belief systems have sinister motives and long-term goals to eradicate all worldview competition. Islam is one of those worldviews.

So even if President Obama is not a Muslim, his belief that we can all get along is naïve and dangerous. Appeasing radical Islam will lead to America’s downfall.

Some of our founding fathers saw the dangers of religious and worldview pluralism. For example, Governor Samuel Johnston (1733–1816) from North Carolina was fearful that a Muslim could one day be president of the United States because the Constitution does not make a forthright statement of its worldview foundation other than “We the people.” What if the people change their belief system? He wrote that “the Grand Turk, could be chosen” president given the Constitution’s no test oath clause. A Turk was someone of the Islamic faith. He went on to say:

“Those who are Mahometans [Muslims], or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, but in one of two cases. First, if the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves. Another case is, if any persons of such descriptions should, not withstanding their religion, acquire the confidence and esteem of the people of America by their good conduct and practice of virtue, they may be chosen. I leave it to gentlemen’s candor to judge what probability there is of the people’s choosing men of different sentiments from themselves.”

Johnston’s fears were real and are coming to pass. Religious pluralism as led to religious intolerance, particularly of the Christian faith. Fear has led many to acquiesce to Islam. Even some of our courts are making rulings favoring Sharia law.

People in the Netherlands are worried. Holland used to be a Christian nation. Over a period of time, the government adopted a form of religious pluralism, giving equal standing, first, to all Christian denominations, then to religion in general, and finally to every worldview imaginable.

Holland has lost its worldview base. It has become a haven for drugs, prostitution, and euthanasia — all legal! Its liberal immigration policies are beginning to worry the people of Holland, especially after the murder of Dutch filmmaker and outspoken critic of Islamic extremism Theo van Gogh. In 2004, more than 40,000 Dutch moved elsewhere, mostly to New Zealand, Australia, and Canada.

Muslims make up ten percent of the population in Holland. If population trends continue, Muslims could become a viable political force and remake Holland into a Muslim nation in the lifetime of our grandchildren. Holland’s religious pluralism could result in its downfall. No one could ever have conceived of such a thing 40 years ago. I’m sure the same is true of millions of Americans.

Is It Ok If President Barack Obama is a Muslim? - Godfather Politics (http://godfatherpolitics.com/4170/is-it-ok-if-president-barack-obama-is-a-muslim/)

He most probably would not be elected/re-elected if he stated himself as such. Which would be fine by me. Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us twice, shame on him

But is it ok for him to call himself a Christian when nothing he has done bears any fruit regarding Christianity?

He/his minions of his admin, have certainly done much to bring down or discourage any organization of Christian-like belief. Here is just a short list:

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=106938)

I personally think the big o is a true Manchurian Candidate, if not for Islam per se, then certainly for socialism/Marxism/fascism or any combination of the four..

He most probably would not be elected/re-elected if he stated himself as such. Which would be fine by me. Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us twice, shame on him

But is it ok for him to call himself a Christian when nothing he has done bears any fruit regarding Christianity?

He/his minions of his admin, have certainly done much to bring down or discourage any organization of Christian-like belief. Here is just a short list:

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - America’s Most Biblically-Hostile U. S. President (http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=106938)

I personally think the big o is a true Manchurian Candidate, if not for Islam per se, then certainly for socialism/Marxism/fascism or any combination of the four..

Kennedy, John F. "The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all." Just Saying!!!

Is there ANYTHING okay about President Obama?!

Is there ANYTHING okay about President Obama?!

He did kill bin Laden, and murdered the pirates holding that ship's captain hostage - just ask him!

He just hates Islamists!

And that's why he continues his world apology tour.:smoochy:

He is a muslim. He even slipped in an interview with Steponapolous (sp).
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I couldn't care less what religion he follows.
Or if he follows one at all.



And not just him, but any president past or future.

Is there ANYTHING okay about President Obama?!

Good question! :shrug:

Obama brings doubt upon his own self through his actions and words. That's why people are wondering about his true allegiance and patriotism to America.

BTW: Even Obama's own public comments show that he should be a bit more learned about how many states there are in the country that he is president of.


Watch video of Barack Obama claiming that he's visited 57 states

Barack Obama 57 States Gaffe - Obama Gaffe Video (http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/barackobamavideos/youtube/obama-57-states.htm)

Is It OK if President Obama is a Muslim?

Apparently he feels it's not OK to publicly admit that he's a muslim.
He's said he loves the prayer call and can recite it, he went to school and registered with his religion listed as "Islam".
He attended an Afro-centric church for 20 + years so there really is no indication in his past that he's a Christian.

Whether he's a Muslim or not is no matter to me from a political POV. The Constitution allows it.

Isn't Gary Demar a Christian Reconstructionist (AKA Calvinist Preterism)? Haven't heard from him in a while.

I couldn't care less what religion he follows.
Or if he follows one at all...
Whether he's a Muslim or not is no matter to me from a political POV. The Constitution allows it...
Really? I mean, really? Didn't you both read about this in Revelation 13? Islam will be the end time religion and anyone who will not bow to it's beliefs will be beheaded. I'd rather have an atheist as Prez than a muslim, anyday.

It's actually too late to stop the apocalyptic wave now so, again, I'll say: They can't beat us by might, but they WILL easily beat us through our own liberal & legal stupidity. How?

America will produce more uninformed, whiney & tolerant liberals with bleeding hearts. (Being done daily)
Then we'll do something to protect ourselves: (Koran burning, waterboarding, putting the Major Hasaan types on trial, protesting mosque activities here, etc.)
The media and the liberals will pi$$ & moan about how intolerant we are to their peaceful beliefs & practices (Done)
The toweliban will use that against us in our own courts with the full backing of the aclu! (Done)
They'll pi$$ & moan that we don't have enough towelheads in our government and the affirmative action libs will shout: amen! (Coming)
Idiots like Hillary will champion their cause (Done)!

See? Could it be any easier? Sure! Put one in the White House and....:faint:

Really? I mean, really? Didn't you both read about this in Revelation 13?


No... Revelation? What's that?

:rolleyes:


Islam will be the end time religion and anyone who will not bow to it's beliefs will be beheaded.

I've read the bible, several times. Cover-to-cover.

I must have an inaccurate copy, because the word "Islam" appears exactly zero times in mine.


See? Could it be any easier? Sure! Put one in the White House and....:faint:

:shrug:

To me, it's whatever. There's a whole ####load of things that have to happen before I start even thinking about getting worried about my head getting chopped off. And I don't believe that Islam is the "One World Religion" foretold in the Apocolypse of John.

No... Revelation? What's that?
:rolleyes:
Soo unnecessary bro...

I've read the bible, several times. Cover-to-cover. I must have an inaccurate copy, because the word "Islam" appears exactly zero times in mine.
Neither do the words "Trinity" & "Rapture" so, according to you, I guess they don't exist?

To me, it's whatever. There's a whole ####load of things that have to happen before I start even thinking about getting worried about my head getting chopped off. And I don't believe that Islam is the "One World Religion" foretold in the Apocolypse of John.
So just because YOU don't believe it means it won't happen, right? Nice!

... Revelation? What's that? :rolleyes:

I've read the bible, several times. Cover-to-cover.

I must have an inaccurate copy, because the word "Islam" appears exactly zero times in mine. :shrug:

To me, it's whatever. There's a whole ####load of things that have to happen before I start even thinking about getting worried about my head getting chopped off. And I don't believe that Islam is the "One World Religion" foretold in the Apocolypse of John.

First: Compare how the Islamic Modus Operandi of beheading Christians, Jews and non-Muslims fits the following prophecy:


And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Revelation 20:4)


Next: Read what Muslims are commanded to do in order to be faithful followers of the Islamic deity, Al'lah:

The Qur'an Commands:


"O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."(Qur'an: 005.051)

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Qur'an: 008.012 )

"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost." (Qur'an: 047.004)


This Is What Muhammad taught:



There cannot be peace until Islam rules over all as the true religion on earth. This earth has been made only for Muslims to inherit and Muslims are commanded to fight until "faith in Allah prevails everywhere."
(Qur'an: 008.039) also reference
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 8, Number 429, Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah)

"Allah's Apostle said, "I have been given five things which were not given to any amongst the Prophets before me. These are:

1. Allah made me victorious by awe (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month's journey.

2. The earth has been made for me (and for my followers) a place for praying and a thing to perform Tayammum. Therefore my followers can pray wherever the time of a prayer is due.

3. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me (and was not made so for anyone else).

4. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation exclusively but I have been sent to all mankind.

5. I have been given the right of intercession (on the Day of Resurrection.) "

(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 8, Number 429, Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah



Fundamental Islam indoctrinates Muslims to strive in their "jihad" to make this earth an Islamic world where all bow in submission to their god, "Allah" and accept Muhammad as the last and final prophet of God.
This call for "jihad" glorifies martyrdom, (murderdom) as the highest honor that a Muslim can achieve and the Qur'an promises that martyrs will gain immediate entrance into "paradise." Home (http://www.Starman3000.com)


Meanwhile:

Y'shua (Isa’ / Jesus) taught:

1. Love God and fellow man - even those who may be your enemy.
(Matthew 5:44) (Matthew 22:37-40)

2. Forgive others. Do not seek retribution and abide no longer by the rule of "an eye for an eye" (Matthew 5:28-48) (Matthew 6:15)

3. Put away the sword, for those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

4. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called "The Children of God." (Matthew 5:9)

5. “I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; no man can come to The Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)

Soo unnecessary bro...

:shrug: Ask a silly question, get a sarcastic answer.

Neither do the words "Trinity" & "Rapture" so, according to you, I guess they don't exist?


Apples & Oranges.

Trinity and Rapture are names given to conveniently label explicit concepts described in the bible. (Although, I'm on the fence about the pre-tribulation rapture).

Islam is a very specific speculation overlaid onto a concept from the bible which was written some 600 years before the concept of Islam was even considered.

If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.


So just because YOU don't believe it means it won't happen, right? Nice!


Are you serious?

First of all, I was merely expressing my opinion on the subject. Is that not what this forum is for?

And I ALWAYS allow for the possibility that I'm wrong. I don't believe that I am wrong (or else I would change my belief to one I think is correct), but I avoid speaking in absolutes, and nowhere did I show contempt for those who believe differently than I do. All I did was voice my belief and offer a brief insight to the logic that inspired it.


Compare that to, say, YOU.


Haven't you ever read Matthew 7:3?

First: Compare how the Islamic Modus Operandi of beheading Christians, Jews and non-Muslims fits the following prophecy:



Next: Read what Muslims are commanded to do in order to be faithful followers of the Islamic deity, Al'lah:



I see a single connecting data point.

Hardly proof.




And I see the Mark of the Beast to be a heck of a lot more convincing than decapitation, which is the favored execution style of many a society.

...And I see the Mark of the Beast to be a heck of a lot more convincing than decapitation, which is the favored execution style of many a society.

Um...did you not get the memo?

The antichrist will behead those who refuse to renounce their faith in Jesus and refuse to accept the Mark of the Beast.


Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Um...did you not get the memo?

The antichrist will behead those who refuse to renounce their faith in Jesus and refuse to accept the Mark of the Beast.

I’m not sure how you can extrapolate literal meanings from a book that is nearly completely allegorical. In the end times will there be a literal beast with 10 horns and seven heads to rise up out of the sea? Will the beast literally look like a leopard, have feet like a bear and have a mouth like that of a lion? If these are only symbolic representations of who the beast is, then why would you believe people will literally be beheaded? My learning of this chapter is that the beheading is a representation of the removal of the head of Christ; the church. That the church – Christ’s Church – will be removed from existence on earth. The second beast will perform miracles and amaze people in order to deceive them to believe in him. Is this what the Muslim religion is doing?

And my learning was also that this ‘beast’ (Satan) will come in a way not recognized by us. He will be someone in the shadows, unassuming, and very cunning. This is nothing like the Muslim religion.

I’m not sure how you can extrapolate literal meanings from a book that is nearly completely allegorical. In the end times will there be a literal beast with 10 horns and seven heads to rise up out of the sea? Will the beast literally look like a leopard, have feet like a bear and have a mouth like that of a lion? If these are only symbolic representations of who the beast is, then why would you believe people will literally be beheaded?

Yes, the "beast" with ten horns is symbolic of the system of nations/governments that gather to form the One World Government/One World Religion that will take control in the world.


My learning of this chapter is that the beheading is a representation of the removal of the head of Christ; the church.

It's more than a representation because it is happening in our own day where people are literally being beheaded for their faith in Christ as well as others (in Muslim countries) who are apostates and infidels who don't convert to Islam. Jesus said that the days of the Great Tribulation will be even worse like no other time before it - this happens during the time of antichrist.


That the church – Christ’s Church – will be removed from existence on earth.


There will be many sitting on the fence right now that will be left behind to go through the Great Tribulation when the events take place. Otherwise, if all left on earth are in agreement with the antichrist system who does he persecute and behead and force to take the mark of the beast?


The second beast will perform miracles and amaze people in order to deceive them to believe in him. Is this what the Muslim religion is doing?


Not quite yet because the 7 year period of antichrist system has not appeared. The time period of when the antichrist and the false prophet take control of this world will be the time period that you are thinking about.



And my learning was also that this ‘beast’ (Satan) will come in a way not recognized by us. He will be someone in the shadows, unassuming, and very cunning. This is nothing like the Muslim religion.

Again, the "beast" has not yet been revealed. However, when he does appear, the Bible does say that he will proclaim himself to be "God" and demand that the whole world worship him. This is the "son of perdition" who defiles the Temple of God. It is believed that the Third Temple of God will be built in order for the antichrist to enter in and cause the abomination of desolation.

Also, remember that at first, the antichrist creates a false "peace-pact" with Israel and the world will view him as a great leader. Many, even Orthodox Jews, will view him as the Messiah because of his "ability" to bring peace to the world. (albeit temporarily).

It is during that first 3 1/2 years of a false peace period in which the Jews will be allowed to worship once again on the Temple Mount that will have been established by antichrist through an ecumenical-type agreement whereby Jews and Muslims and Christians can "worship together".

Reading Jesus' warnings in the Book of Matthew and John's Revelations there is no doubt that people on earth will be persecuted and beheaded if they do not accept the "mark of the beast".

:buddies:

Again, the "beast" has not yet been revealed. However, when he does appear, the Bible does say that he will proclaim himself to be "God" and demand that the whole world worship him.

If the beast hasn't been revealed yet, then how do you know it's Islam?

How many people have been believed to be this beast? Hitler? The Pope? The RCC? Bush?

Today we have Islam. With every generation there is a 'sign' that the end is near.

People will tell you, ‘There he is!’ or ‘Here he is!’ Do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. - Matthew 17:23-24

If the beast hasn't been revealed yet, then how do you know it's Islam?

How many people have been believed to be this beast? Hitler? The Pope? The RCC? Bush?

Today we have Islam. With every generation there is a 'sign' that the end is near.



Yes - good point PsyOps. However, as mentioned, the "beast" is comprised of various "symbolic" elements that come together to represent one entity of power/system. That's where the "mark of the beast" comes in to play. You either belong to that system through some sort of identification mark or you refuse to take that ID and suffer the consequences of not going along with the system.

The antichrist and the false prophet are the two characters that co-control the system during that time period. That is when the "supernatural" activities visibly take place. It's obvious that period has not happened because the formation of the one world governmental system is not yet in place.

Yes - good point PsyOps. However, as mentioned, the "beast" is comprised of various "symbolic" elements that come together to represent one entity of power/system. That's where the "mark of the beast" comes in to play. You either belong to that system through some sort of identification mark or you refuse to take that ID and suffer the consequences of not going along with the system.

The antichrist and the false prophet are the two characters that co-control the system during that time period. That is when the "supernatural" activities visibly take place. It's obvious that period has not happened because the formation of the one world governmental system is not yet in place.

Okay... so remind me again how you conlcude it's Islam?

Okay... so remind me again how you conlcude it's Islam?

The ongoing goal of Islam is the establishment of a Caliphate System that controls the entire world and subjects all nations and people to accept Islam as the only true religion and confess that Muhammad is the "prophet of Allah", the last and final prophet of the world.

Iran's prez, Ahmadinejad, is ready to unleash all efforts to expedite the appearance of the Islamic saviuor, al-Mahdi. The Islamic prophecy claims that in the end of days, Al-mahdi will appear along with prophet Isa' (the Islamic Jesus). between the two of them, the world will be brought to Islam and Isa' will teach from the Qur'an.

If you have ever heard the testimony of Walid Shoebat, an ex-Muslim, he converted to Christianity after reading the Bible when he realized that the Biblical antichrist and false prophet are the Islamic counter-parts: al-Mahdi and Isa ruling the world. Shoebat realized that as a Muslim he was on "the wrong side".

BTW: Interesting to note that the Islamic belief is that al-Mahdi will rule for seven (7) years; the same time period that the Book of Revelation gives for the rule of antichrist. The first half being a pseudo-peace period and the second half being the period of Great Tribulation.

Muslims are known to sign peace treaties only to break them at their will when they feel empowered enough to overcome their enemy. This is called Hudna.

Um...did you not get the memo?

The antichrist will behead those who refuse to renounce their faith in Jesus and refuse to accept the Mark of the Beast.



And this contradicts what I said, how exactly?

I saw nothing in your Qu'ran quote that indicated that they intended to issue and/or enforce a mark of any kind.

I granted that the beheadings is a tenuous connection. And I say tenuous because - as I mentioned - decapitation is the favored style of execution for many cultures. Islam neither thought up, nor perfected the art of head-removal.

Therefore my point, since I apparently did not express it clearly, was that if the verses you quoted had said something like, "The righteous shall bear the Mark of Islam, and those who do not take the mark shall have their god damned heads whacked off", I'd be a lot more receptive to the idea that the Beast-Endorsed One World Religion is Islam.

As it is, I not only doubt that the OWR is/will be Islam, I actively believe that it's not/won't be.

Trinity and Rapture are names given to conveniently label explicit concepts described in the bible. (Although, I'm on the fence about the pre-tribulation rapture).
Uh, so is Islam...

Pre trib rapture is a concept that is not biblical and was introduced in the late 1830's by Margaret MacDonald and further proliferated by John Darby.

Islam is a very specific speculation overlaid onto a concept from the bible which was written some 600 years before the concept of Islam was even considered. If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

So the Bible can't speak of or know of Islam because it wasn't created yet? :confused:

And I ALWAYS allow for the possibility that I'm wrong. I don't believe that I am wrong (or else I would change my belief to one I think is correct), but I avoid speaking in absolutes...
So you don't ever speak in absolutes? Why not? Don't you believe the Bible allows us to do that?

I’m not sure how you can extrapolate literal meanings from a book that is nearly completely allegorical. In the end times will there be a literal beast with 10 horns and seven heads to rise up out of the sea? Will the beast literally look like a leopard, have feet like a bear and have a mouth like that of a lion? If these are only symbolic representations of who the beast is, then why would you believe people will literally be beheaded? My learning of this chapter is that the beheading is a representation of the removal of the head of Christ; the church. That the church – Christ’s Church – will be removed from existence on earth.
The horns & beasts are figurative words but beheading is beheading. Not every word of Rev is figurative but it just fits too easy to ignore it's meaning, otherwise God could have said: they would be killed by the sword instead of beheaded.

"Removal of the head of Christ"?? Do you believe the Bible says that God's entire church will be removed from the earth BEFORE the end of time? (If you're implying a pre trib rapture)...

If the beast hasn't been revealed yet, then how do you know it's Islam? How many people have been believed to be this beast? Hitler? The Pope? The RCC? Bush? Today we have Islam. With every generation there is a 'sign' that the end is near.
IMO, Islam fits the description wayyy better than any other I've ever seen. Hitler wasn't big enough to fit the bill.

And this contradicts what I said, how exactly?

I saw nothing in your Qu'ran quote that indicated that they intended to issue and/or enforce a mark of any kind.

I granted that the beheadings is a tenuous connection. And I say tenuous because - as I mentioned - decapitation is the favored style of execution for many cultures. Islam neither thought up, nor perfected the art of head-removal.

Therefore my point, since I apparently did not express it clearly, was that if the verses you quoted had said something like, "The righteous shall bear the Mark of Islam, and those who do not take the mark shall have their god damned heads whacked off", I'd be a lot more receptive to the idea that the Beast-Endorsed One World Religion is Islam.

As it is, I not only doubt that the OWR is/will be Islam, I actively believe that it's not/won't be.

Okay, okay, okay! Yes, we agree that the "beheadings" are part of the Islamic way of dealing with Infidels. But now you want to know about a certain "mark" you say? Well, in the book of Revelation, the mark is supposed to bear the name of the antichrist, correct?

Remember when Jesus spoke about false prophets that would one day come and people would receive them instead of Him?



I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. (John 5:43)

and in the Book of Revelation, the mark signifies the system and the number of a man that heads up the One World Government/One World Religion:



And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (Revelation 13:16-18)



Now, read the following account of Muhammad's prophethood which was revealed as a birthmark:



Amongst the citizens of Mecca were several Jews, one of whom was knowledgeable of the scriptures. He knew from his learning and the signs of the time that the birth of a new prophet was imminent and anxiously awaited his arrival.

On the night Prophet Muhammad, (sa) was born, a strange feeling came over him that prompted him to rush to the door of his house and ask some Koraysh tribesmen, who happened to be passing, if they had heard of any births that night. The tribesmen replied that they knew of none, so he asked them to go and find out then bring word to him. He felt sure that this was the night in which the new prophet had been born, and if his feelings were correct he knew he would indeed be able to recognize him by a special, prominent mark on his skin that lay between his shoulders.

Sometime later, the tribesmen returned to the expectant Jew and told him that a son had indeed been born to Lady Amina, the widowed wife of Abdullah, son of Abd Al Muttalib. The Jew asked them to take him to see the newly born and his mother, so in haste they made their way to Abu Talib's house. When they arrived, Lady Amina presented her darling son to them and as the cloth that covered him was gently rolled back the Jew saw the unmistakable mark and fainted.

When he regained consciousness he announced the prophethood had been taken away from the Children of Israel and said, "O people of Koraysh, by Allah, he will conquer you in a way that the news will traverse both east and west." The mark the Jew referred to was circular and read, "There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet", and it was from this identifying mark that the sweet aroma of musk exuded.

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That "mark" comprises the Sahada (statement of faith that needs to be recited in order to become a Muslim) and is seen on the flag of Saudi Arabia and on several Islamic banners.

Want more proof of what's in store? The Caliphate will impose Shari'a Laws on a global scale when Islam takes control of the One World Governmental System. Open your eyes, friend, and see how this is unfolding now even within the politically-correct acceptance of our government giving in to Islamic influences.

Now very possible that the "mark" that was on Muhammad at birth will be the one to be required of all people in the future and those who do not accept it are in essence rejecting allegiance to Allah and Muhammad and must be dealt with according to Shari'a Law.

Uh, so is Islam...

Uh, no it's not.


So the Bible can't speak of or know of Islam because it wasn't created yet?

Can.

Doesn't.


So you don't ever speak in absolutes?

Read what I said.


If I said, "I don't ever speak in absolutes", that would kind of be self-contradictory, would it not.

Now very possible that the "mark" that was on Muhammad at birth will be the one to be required of all people in the future and those who do not accept it are in essence rejecting allegience to Allah and Muhammad and must be dealt with according to Shari'a Law.



I've read these arguments before, and it smacks of seeing what you want to see, IMO.

Nothing here indicates that they're going to force people to bear that mark on their heads or hands as is specified in Revelation.


If you're going to fall behind the blanket of "symbolism" my response will simply be you can interpret any symbol however you want. And PsyOps argument that even the decapitations are merely symbolic of removing the head of the Church becomes way more concrete in this branch of the discussion.

I've read these arguments before, and it smacks of seeing what you want to see, IMO.

Nothing here indicates that they're going to force people to bear that mark on their heads or hands as is specified in Revelation.

If you're going to fall behind the blanket of "symbolism" my response will simply be you can interpret any symbol however you want. And PsyOps argument that even the decapitations are merely symbolic of removing the head of the Church becomes way more concrete in this branch of the discussion.

We shall see.

Meanwhile, be aware of the calls for how a "New World Order" will be needed to help "stabilize" the global economy and bring a "peaceful" solution to the world's problems in all societies. The U.S. economy is weak. Islamic countries are buying up properties and politicians.


"My country's history, Mr. President, tells us that it is possible to fashion unity while cherishing diversity, that common action is possible despite the variety of races, interests, and beliefs we see here in this chamber. Progress and peace and justice are attainable. So we say to all peoples and governments: Let us fashion together a New World Order." -- Henry Kissinger, in address before the General Assembly of the United Nations, October 1975)


The "New World Order that is in the making must focus on the creation of a world of democracy, peace and prosperity for all." -- Nelson Mandela, in the Philadelphia Inquirer (October 1994)

"People are becoming more and more aware of the need for a New International
Order..." John Paul II, World Day of Peace Homily, Jan. 1, 2004



And, that's just for starters! :coffee:

CNBC news interview


Kissinger says an Obama presidency is a great opportunity to set up a New World Order (2min-10sec into video thru 2min-40 sec.)

New Kissinger NWO : New World Order & Obama Worship - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GThfWVCfjVo&feature=player_embedded)