Muslims boast of having built one of the largest mosques in Rome. Prophecy is unfolding folks as the "Arab Spring" will continue to bloom into a global movement aiming to establish Islam as a one-world religion and governmental system:



Ok, this one is for the “anti-Christ will arise from Rome / Europe and Catholicism will be at the center of it all” crowd.

Is there anyone of any authority in Rome or Italy who is attempting to rattle sabers with Middle Eastern countries? The answer is no. Conversely, is there anyone of any authority in the Middle East who is threatening Rome or Italy? Look no further than Egyptian Cleric Salem Abu Al-Futouh; he is doing more than saber rattling. He is predicting that Rome will be conquered by Islam.

As for the leftists who insist Islam is a religion of peace, perhaps they should ask themselves why Al-Futouh uses as his rationale for the Islamic conquest of Rome, the fact that people are converting to Islam in Italy every day.

I thought Islam didn’t want to conquer western lands. Guess again.

For the record, it’s ok to yell, “FIRE” in a crowded theater when there’s an actual fire in the theater.

Video: Egyptian Cleric Predicts Islam will Conquer Rome | Walid Shoebat Foundation (http://www.shoebat.com/2012/03/18/video-egyptian-cleric-predicts-islam-will-conquer-rome/3/)

Where's good ol' Charles Martel The Hammer when you need him, eh?

Muslims boast of having built one of the largest mosques in Rome. Prophecy is unfolding folks as the "Arab Spring" will continue to bloom into a global movement aiming to establish Islam as a one-world religion and governmental system:

As for the leftists who insist Islam is a religion of peace, perhaps they should ask themselves why Al-Futouh uses as his rationale for the Islamic conquest of Rome, the fact that people are converting to Islam in Italy every day.

I thought Islam didn’t want to conquer western lands. Guess again.


It is talking about conquest through proper and voluntary conversion as people convert over to the great religion of Islam.

The act of conversion is what we mean by a peaceful conquest - and rightly so.

If the majority of Italians and Romans convert over to the religion of Islam then may God bless them accordingly.

Muslims boast of having built one of the largest mosques in Rome. Prophecy is unfolding folks as the "Arab Spring" will continue to bloom into a global movement aiming to establish Islam as a one-world religion and governmental system:

Uh, who else would have any kind of mosque, large or small?

The 10th Imam is just around the corner.....

Or is he in the White House?:drummer:

Uh, who else would have any kind of mosque, large or small?

lol - Should have written "One of the newest and largest Mosques is in Rome..."


The 10th Imam is just around the corner.....

Or is he in the White House?:drummer:

Actually, it's the 12th Imam known as Al Mahdi who is expected by the Shi'a Muslims to soon appear. Their prophecy states that Al Mahdi will appear and will rule for seven years. Also, that prophet Is'a (Islamic Jesus) will appear during that time with Al Mahdi to establish Islamic rule over the earth and teach from the Qur'an.

BTW: Here's another article written in September 2010 that predicts how the growing influence of Islam will conquer Italy and the West:



Islam Will Conquer Italy and the Entire West
Sept. 8, 2010

(Article)
By Joseph C. DeCaro, Worthy News International Correspondent

CAIRO, EGYPT (Worthy News)-- The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) has released excerpts from a transcript of a televised sermon by Egyptian cleric Salem Abu Al-Futuh. Airing on Al-Nas TV on August 18, Al-Futuh's predicted that Islam would conquer the entire West, starting with Italy and ending with the Americas.

According to MEMRI, Al-Futuh stated the following:

"The nation of Islam will return – despite our current crisis and despite the arrogance of the West. The West is bound to be destroyed. Just like Allah destroyed the Byzantine and Persian empires, he will destroy the West at the hands of the Muslims. This is an unequivocal promise. These countries will convert to Islam. Islam will reach these countries.

"... Let us examine the divine sequence: First, the Caliphate will return. Then, the Muslims will live in tremendous prosperity. The economy of the Muslims will be the strongest of all. You are probably thinking that I'm not well today if I say such things. By God, there's nothing wrong with me. I am speaking words of truth.

"... Great conquests will ensue. We will conquer Italy ... By Allah, we will conquer Italy. By Allah, we will conquer Italy and move into [the rest] of Europe. Islam will enter that entire region. Even America, you ask? Yes, even America. North or South America? Both North and South America. We will enter all these countries, and people there will be joining Islam in droves."

Al Nas TV provides Islamic programs through which many Muslim clerics have made similar threats against the West.

Source:
'Islam Will Conquer Italy and the Entire West' | Worthy Christian News (http://www.worthynews.com/9243-islam-will-conquer-italy-and-the-entire-west)

BTW: Here's another article written in September 2010 that predicts how the growing influence of Islam will conquer Italy and the West:

Islam Will Conquer Italy and the Entire West' | Worthy Christian News (http://www.worthynews.com/9243-islam-will-conquer-italy-and-the-entire-west)

Al Nas TV provides Islamic programs through which many Muslim clerics have made similar threats against the West.


That website calls it as a "threat" and maybe weak Christians might see it as a "threat" but that is just inserting emotional babble into the reality that the religion of Islam is growing by rightful and voluntary conversion.

That website is just fear-mongering.

Those people are not converting into Christianity but are converting by their own free will choice into the great religion of Islam and rightly so.

That is not a threat as that is simple basic democracy and freedom of conscience and their expression of faith.

The religion of Islam really offers people some really cool things, as like religious discipline and higher virtues and as a true counter measure to the evils going onward in this wicked world.

That website calls it as a "threat" and maybe weak Christians might see it as a "threat" but that is just inserting emotional babble into the reality that the religion of Islam is growing by rightful and voluntary conversion.

That website is just fear-mongering.

Those people are not converting into Christianity but are converting by their own free will choice into the great religion of Islam and rightly so.
That is not a threat as that is simple basic democracy and freedom of conscience and their expression of faith.

The religion of Islam really offers people some really cool things, as like religious discipline and higher virtues and as a true counter measure to the evils going onward in this wicked world.

So JPC, if Islam is as cool as you claim it is - have YOU made the voluntary conversion yet? If not, what are you waiting for?

Maybe you are just a hypocrite?

So JPC, if Islam is as cool as you claim it is - have YOU made the voluntary conversion yet? If not, what are you waiting for?

Maybe you are just a hypocrite?

I assume he did.

The act of conversion is what we mean by a peaceful conquest - and rightly so.

I assume he did.

RADIANT - I respect your opinion, but feel JPC has "adopted" Islam as a secondary religion to Christianity. If he truly felt Islam was the way to go, why not adopt ALL aspects of the religion?

He picks and chooses as he sees fit to advance his personal agenda.

Also, why not put the info on his web site (how he feels about Islam). Perhaps that may endear him to some voters in his quest for the Senate seat. *sarcasm*

So JPC, if Islam is as cool as you claim it is - have YOU made the voluntary conversion yet? If not, what are you waiting for?

Maybe you are just a hypocrite?


My own faith is in the truth and not in religious groups.

So I do consider myself as a follower of Islam and I am a Christian too at the same time, along with me being Buddhist, Tao, Hindu, Shaman, Wicca, Atheist, Agnostic, and I embrace every religion of every kind.

As such then I do not need to convert to any religion because that would be denying the other parts of God, and it is the religions that convert to me - as in I take the best and the right from every religion and reject their wrong doctrines.

So I do consider myself as a follower of Islam and I am a Christian too at the same time, along with me being Buddhist, Tao, Hindu, Shaman, Wicca, Atheist, Agnostic, and I embrace every religion of every kind..

No wonder you can't pay child support. That is a LOT of collection plates to throw something in.

:coffee:

It is talking about conquest through proper and voluntary conversion as people convert over to the great religion of Islam.

The act of conversion is what we mean by a peaceful conquest - and rightly so.

If the majority of Italians and Romans convert over to the religion of Islam then may God bless them accordingly.


It is important to know that the great religion of Islam is growing fast here in our USA too, and growing by the free will and voluntary conversions.

The religion of Islam has a lot to offer people as it is an attractive religion to many people.

A convert is taught a self discipline and social values, including that Men and Women are to be respected and not exploited.

There is a big defect in Christianity in the false idea of bowing down in servitude to Caesar, while in Islam we only bow down to God, including that Caesar (the gov) must bow to God too - which is a very important distinction.

Christianity could learn a lot from our sister religion of Islam.

:dingding:

My own faith is in the truth and not in religious groups.

So I do consider myself as a follower of Islam and I am a Christian too at the same time, along with me being Buddhist, Tao, Hindu, Shaman, Wicca, Atheist, Agnostic, and I embrace every religion of every kind.

As such then I do not need to convert to any religion because that would be denying the other parts of God, and it is the religions that convert to me - as in I take the best and the right from every religion and reject their wrong doctrines.

Oh, so you are one of those "Chrislams"? The ones that try to make the God of the Bible and the god of the Koran one and the same, as well as make the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the Koran one and the same?

Don't think so.

You are really confused, sir/ma'am/all transgender whatevers.

Just make up your mind, one or three ways or the other. The evidence against combining various religions just screams out against you.

You are in a lose/lose/lose every time situation.

That website calls it as a "threat" and maybe weak Christians might see it as a "threat" but that is just inserting emotional babble into the reality that the religion of Islam is growing by rightful and voluntary conversion.

That website is just fear-mongering.

Those people are not converting into Christianity but are converting by their own free will choice into the great religion of Islam and rightly so.


Perhaps you need to visit Islamic nations like Indonesia where forced conversions are the Islamic modus-operandi. It's been going on for quite some time:

(article)



Forced Conversions To Islam Continue in Indonesia
Saturday, January 13, 2001

SANTA ANA, CA (January 13, 2001) — A growing body of evidence confirms reports that Christians in Indonesia's Maluku Islands have been forced to convert to Islam under threat of death, although Muslim clerics deny the claims.

Christian refugees, church representatives and even government leaders are troubled by the accounts of forced conversion, the most recent coming just before Christmas and the Muslim feast days celebrating the end of Ramadan. Some of the accounts have reportedly included circumcision of both males and females as part of the conversion "process."
"There is an effort by Islamic extremists to convert Christians to Islam," said Indonesian President Abdurrahman Wahid, a Muslim scholar known for his message of tolerance, in a December 22 speech in Jakarta. "This is not right."

The forced conversions represent a disturbing trend in the region, also known as the Moluccas, 1,500 miles east of Jakarta. About 5,000 people have been killed in the two-year-old religious conflict between Muslims and Christians.
Maluku Governor Saleh Latuconsinua, a Muslim, told the media December 20 that a fact-finding visit had indeed proved the allegations of forced conversions. Muslim clerics in the islands admitted that some Christians had changed religions, the Associated Press reported on December 22. But the clerics denied any coercion was involved.

"The claim that they were forced to become Muslims is baseless. They voluntarily converted to Islam," the Associated Press quoted an official at the Al Fatah Mosque in Ambon as saying.
But interviews with Christian refugees forced to flee their homes told a different story. Some reported being forced to convert at gunpoint. Some feared attacks on their families if they did not convert. Others reported that they were circumcised and had their heads shaved.

Some of those interviewed said they did not wish to end up like two Protestant teachers, Mr. E. Rumatera and David Balubun, who were killed on December 1 for refusing to convert. According to the Crisis Centre of Ambon, a Roman Catholic monitoring agency, a total of 615 Catholics have been forcibly converted thus far, and "a few hundred protestants." But the location of over 1,000 other Christians is still unknown.
"I only said yes to save myself," said one refugee quoted by the Associated Press.

Another reported Indonesia's armed forces cooperated in the forced conversions.
Christina, a Christian refugee from the island of Kesui, described in a telephone interview with Christian leaders how she underwent circumcision to escape death. Many of those listening were skeptical of her claims until she described her circumcision in detail. An estimated 3,000 Muslim jihad soldiers attacked Kesui in late November. Several Christians were killed and hundreds are reportedly still being held against their will. Muslim jihad soldiers attacked Kesui on November 23 and the neighboring island of Teor on December 10, to which many Kesui Christians had fled.

Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim nation. About 85 percent of the country's population of 210 million is Muslim. However, the Maluku Islands have historically had a more even mix of Christians and Muslims, and in many areas, Christians still form the majority.
Forced Conversions To Islam Continue in Indonesia | Worthy Christian News (http://www.worthynews.com/2380-forced-conversions-to-islam-continue-in-indonesia)



Next trip, go to Sweden and The Netherlands to see how Muslim immigration is creating adverse social upheavals in those countries.

Perhaps you need to visit Islamic nations like Indonesia where forced conversions are the Islamic modus-operandi. It's been going on for quite some time:


The so-called Christians came there as white colonial conquistadors and it took World War II just to get the white Dutch / Christian invaders to leave their Country.

The Country of Indonesia has the 4th largest population in the world at 238 million people, and it has all sorts of different religions and different races and different everything in Indonesia, and there is no forced religious conversion going on except maybe in small areas and such a thing is not allowed by the Indonesia government.


(article)

Forced Conversions To Islam Continue in Indonesia | Worthy Christian News (http://www.worthynews.com/2380-forced-conversions-to-islam-continue-in-indonesia)


I do hate to criticize the source but really the link is from Christian fear mongers who are trying to frighten the foolish Christians with the scary Muslims and it is reprehensible.

The opening sentence declares the article is coming from Santa Ana California, and not from Indonesia.

So why does not that website or our "Starman" give us a credible source? Answer = because there is none.



Next trip, go to Sweden and The Netherlands to see how Muslim immigration is creating adverse social upheavals in those countries.


Really we have enough problems over here in the USA without worrying about the religious happenings over in those Countries where they can take care of themselves.

Jesus was the one who said to clear out your own eye first so then you can see clearly.

It is important to know that the great religion of Islam is growing fast here in our USA too, and growing by the free will and voluntary conversions.

The religion of Islam has a lot to offer people as it is an attractive religion to many people.

A convert is taught a self discipline and social values, including that Men and Women are to be respected and not exploited.There is a big defect in Christianity in the false idea of bowing down in servitude to Caesar, while in Islam we only bow down to God, including that Caesar (the gov) must bow to God too - which is a very important distinction.

Christianity could learn a lot from our sister religion of Islam.

:dingding:

Does this mean you have given up on watching porn???

...I do hate to criticize the source but really the link is from Christian fear mongers who are trying to frighten the foolish Christians with the scary Muslims and it is reprehensible.

The opening sentence declares the article is coming from Santa Ana California, and not from Indonesia.

So why does not that website or our "Starman" give us a credible source? Answer = because there is none.


On the contrary, credible sources are found in the Qur'an and Ahadith (sayings of Muhammad) :



“Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!” (Qur’an:003.151)

“Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Qur’an:008.012)

“And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.” (Qur’an:008.039)

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have." (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 14, Number 2635, Narrated Anas ibn Malik)

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfillment of (the heart's) desires;
Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age;"
(Qur'an: 078.031 - 078.033)

Does this mean you have given up on watching porn???


I really do not approve of pornography except in very minimal cases, because it hurts the peoples' minds and their souls and hurts the people's real relationships.

I say the US Supreme Court has a point about porn being a part of "free speech", but that does not mean that porn is to be so free as to exploit humanity as free enterprise.

And it pushes sodomy as if it is natural which it is not.

But I do agree that the Muslim Countries do not allow the porn into their society - and rightly not.

Another rotten aspect of porn is that it is mostly white Caucasian porn, as in the most immoral and licentious and perverted people on the entire planet.

Again - we could learn some higher morals from our sister religion of Islam.

On the contrary, credible sources are found in the Qur'an and Ahadith (sayings of Muhammad) :


The falsehood which you present is that you are not the interpreter of the Holy Qur'an nor of the Hadith (http://www.quranenglish.com/hadith/Sahih_bukhari.htm).

Some anti-Christian could show that Jesus said to hate our parents and to hate our own family because our scriptures declare that Jesus certainly did say it, here:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
KJV, Luke 14:26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2014:24-28&version=KJV)

This is not an accurate representation of our Christian Gospel but there it is.

That is what you "Starman" are unjustly doing to the Muslims by taking their scripture and misrepresenting it.

The falsehood which you present is that you are not the interpreter of the Holy Qur'an nor of the Hadith (http://www.quranenglish.com/hadith/Sahih_bukhari.htm).

Some anti-Christian could show that Jesus said to hate our parents and to hate our own family because our scriptures declare that Jesus certainly did say it, here:

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."
KJV, Luke 14:26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2014:24-28&version=KJV)

This is not an accurate representation of our Christian Gospel but there it is.

That is what you "Starman" are unjustly doing to the Muslims by taking their scripture and misrepresenting it.

Dude, people need to put that verse into context as to what he was saying and teaching at that moment, and throughout the Bible as a whole:

Jesus is teaching his disciples that He - Jesus - is the one to be supremely loved, even over family members. Everyone's love for Christ should be so overwhelmingly strong that all other loves are like hatred BY COMPARISION..

What is the context of SM's quote/Koran statement, in your opinion?

I don't know what you are referring to in regards of SM - enlighten me.

Muslims boast of having built one of the largest mosques in Rome. Prophecy is unfolding folks as the "Arab Spring" will continue to bloom into a global movement aiming to establish Islam as a one-world religion and governmental system:

Well the popes have been trying to get Muslims to unite to build the false church, either way Chrislom (another cult) already exist. Perhaps they should have enlisted Chuck Colson, he's always always trying to get light to partner with darkness, (Manhattan Declaration) so darkness with darkness should be an easyone!

Well the popes have been trying to get Muslims to unite to build the false church, either way Chrislom (another cult) already exist. Perhaps they should have enlisted Chuck Colson, he's always always trying to get light to partner with darkness, (Manhattan Declaration) so darkness with darkness should be an easyone!

You, sir, truly make ignorant statements such as a bigot would. :coffee:

Christians worldwide try to get Muslims to convert as much as vice versa, although the methods are different. You do your part evangelizing to Muslims, don't you? Does that mean you are building a false church? In addition, you do realize that Rome is not the Vatican, right?

:smh:

Dude, people need to put that verse into context as to what he was saying and teaching at that moment, and throughout the Bible as a whole:

Jesus is teaching his disciples that He - Jesus - is the one to be supremely loved, even over family members. Everyone's love for Christ should be so overwhelmingly strong that all other loves are like hatred BY COMPARISION..


That really was my point that the literally quoted words of Jesus is not the way that Christians interpret the Gospel - and rightly not.

The same is true for all scriptures worldwide including the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith in that Muslims interpret their scriptures through their own interpretations - and rightly so.

Presenting an argument or accusations otherwise will always be inaccurate and mostly dishonest too.



What is the context of SM's quote/Koran statement, in your opinion?

I don't know what you are referring to in regards of SM - enlighten me.


The quotes given by SM were regarding the far old days when the Prophet Muhammad was first bringing the faith and righteousness into the lands of Arabia, and at those times there were resistance and wars when the great Prophet brought God and civility to the lands.

As such these accounts in the Qur'an and in other scriptures are for us to study and to rightly learn from.

When people like SM presents such text as his hateful fear mongering then he is slandering the word of God.

I know enough about the Koran, and have read enough of it to know that, without doubt, Islam will not tolerate any line of thought but theirs.

They are just very patient in approaching their end means - which is world dominance with a single religion, and if you don't convert to Islam, we, Islam on earth, will be judge, jury, and executioner.

You, sir, truly make ignorant statements such as a bigot would. :coffee:

Christians worldwide try to get Muslims to convert as much as vice versa, although the methods are different. You do your part evangelizing to Muslims, don't you? Does that mean you are building a false church? In addition, you do realize that Rome is not the Vatican, right?

:smh:

You are aware that the RCC Cathechism claims that Muslims worship the same God as Catholics, right? Do you also believe that Al'lah is Yahweh?

You are aware that the RCC Cathechism claims that Muslims worship the same God as Catholics, right? Do you also believe that Al'lah is Yahweh?

I believe they worship the God of Abraham just like the Jews, and Jews aren't Christians any more than Muslims are. That's a far cry from "uniting to build the false church" that StoneThrower claims.

You do know that Arabic Christians call God the Father Allah, don't you?

:rolleyes:

I believe they worship the God of Abraham just like the Jews, and Jews aren't Christians any more than Muslims are. That's a far cry from "uniting to build the false church" that StoneThrower claims.


The God of Abraham promised Salvation by faith and provided that Salvation through the Sacrifice of His Only Begotten Son; similar to what Abraham was going to do for God.

The Islamic god, Al'lah, does not have a "son" and salvation is granted only when one accepts the Islamic deity and Muhammad as the last and final prophet to mankind.


You do know that Arabic Christians call God the Father Allah, don't you?


Of course!

You do know that Al'lah is only a generic reference to a deity and in Arabic just means "The God" (Al' - lah) ???
:whistle:

Just like saying you believe in God - but which god? The god of the Muslims, Mormons, etc., or the God of the Holy Bible.

IOW: The Islamic Allah is NOT Yahweh. Therefore, Muslims are not worshipping the God of Abraham. The Islamic Al'lah is the pagan moon god that was among the 360 gods housed in the Kabah until Muhammad declared that all Muslims were to worship Allah in order to have a monotheistic religion like Jews and Christians.

IOW: The Islamic Allah is NOT Yahweh. Therefore, Muslims are not worshipping the God of Abraham. The Islamic Al'lah is the pagan moon god that was among the 360 gods housed in the Kabah until Muhammad declared that all Muslims were to worship Allah in order to have a monotheistic religion like Jews and Christians.


That is just misleading rubbish.

None of the mainstream religions use the name of Yahweh nor any real translation of that name. Christian Bibles and literature translates Yahweh as LORD which is completely inaccurate, and then they call Jesus as LORD too being another incorrect terminology.

The word Allah is the Aramaic word for Elohim, and Elohim is the word translated into English as God. In English the words Yahweh Elohim is mistranslated into LORD God. And since Jesus is said in the Bible to have spoken Aramaic then it is very likely that Jesus said Allah and Jesus certainly never used the English language of God - no.

The name Yahweh is never translated to mean God because that name means "Father" as in the Father God or Yahweh Elohim.

The Muslim terminology is not completely accurate, but they are far closer to the accurate language then is the Christian terminology.

Link = God (word) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_%28word%29)

Link = Allah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)

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The Muslim terminology is not completely accurate, but they are far closer to the accurate language then is the Christian terminology.

Link = God (word) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_%28word%29)

Link = Allah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah)


Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/; Arabic: الله‎ Allāh, IPA: [ʔɑlˈlɑː] ( listen), [ʔalˤˈlˤɑː]) is a word for God used in the context of Islam.[1] In Arabic, the word means simply "the God"


Gee, thanks VoteJP. Your references agree with what I previously stated, that the word "al-lah" just means "the God" in the Arabic language. And even the word "god" in English is only a generic term for a deity, could be any deity.

That's why when the RCC Catechism claims that Muslims and Catholics "adore" the same god it turns out that the Muslim Allah is not The God of the Holy Bible.

Here's proof:


Yahweh NEVER commanded His angels to bow down prostrate to Adam.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (002.034) (007.011)

Yahweh NEVER authorized mankind to honor and kiss a stone. (Ka'ba)
Muhammad Did and Muslims still do to this day.

Yahweh NEVER authorized men to beat their wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (004.032)

Yahweh NEVER authorized His prophets to have multiple wives- as many as the prophet desired, nor did Yahweh authorize men to have up to four wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (033.050) (004.003)

Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)

Yahweh NEVER said that women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)


FACT: Muslims do not believe in the same God as the Holy Bible. The Islamic Al'lah is a different deity altogether, Al'lah is one of the 360 pagan gods worshipped in the Ka'ba shrine in Mecca and was the deity of the Quraysh tribe - the tribe Muhammad belonged to.

In an effort to create a "monotheistic" religion for Arabs, Muhammad ordered all other pagan gods in the Ka'ba to be destroyed and only faith in the Quraysh deity, Al'lah, was commanded.



What the Roman Catholic Catechism teaches:


841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm#III


The RCC blasphemes the God of The Holy Bible by claiming that the Biblical God and the Islamic Allah are one and the same.

Gee, thanks VoteJP. Your references agree with what I previously stated, that the word "al-lah" just means "the God" in the Arabic language. And even the word "god" in English is only a generic term for a deity, could be any deity.

That's why when the RCC Catechism claims that Muslims and Catholics "adore" the same god it turns out that the Muslim Allah is not The God of the Holy Bible.

Here's proof:

What the Roman Catholic Catechism teaches:

The RCC blasphemes the God of The Holy Bible by claiming that the Biblical God and the Islamic Allah are one and the same.


What I posted does NOT back up your rubbish - not at all.

The word / name which you keep excluding is Elohim (as I said in rebuttal) and it is Elohim which is translated into God and into Allah as both those names come from that same root Hebrew word of Elohim - and NOT from Yahweh.

Link = CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Elohim (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05393a.htm)

You keep trying to impose Yahweh to make your self appear correct but it is dishonest and inaccurate because no major religion uses that name of Yahweh, with the only close exception being the Jehovah Witnesses who use the mistranslation of Yahweh as Jehovah.

The Catholic Church has started using the real name Yahweh in their Bible so the RCC does get cheers for that.

What I posted does NOT back up your rubbish - not at all.

The word / name which you keep excluding is Elohim (as I said in rebuttal) and it is Elohim which is translated into God and into Allah as both those names come from that same root Hebrew word of Elohim - and NOT from Yahweh.

Link = CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Elohim (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05393a.htm)

You keep trying to impose Yahweh to make your self appear correct but it is dishonest and inaccurate because no major religion uses that name of Yahweh, with the only close exception being the Jehovah Witnesses who use the mistranslation of Yahweh as Jehovah.

The Catholic Church has started using the real name Yahweh in their Bible so the RCC does get cheers for that.

Thanks again VoteJP. Here's from the reference you cited:


The Use Of The Word:

The Hebrews had three common names of God, El, Elohim, and Eloah; besides, they had the proper name Yahweh. Nestle is authority for the statement that Yahweh occurs about six thousand times in the Old Testament, while all the common names of God taken together do not occur half as often.

The God of Abraham promised Salvation by faith and provided that Salvation through the Sacrifice of His Only Begotten Son; similar to what Abraham was going to do for God.

The Islamic god, Al'lah, does not have a "son" and salvation is granted only when one accepts the Islamic deity and Muhammad as the last and final prophet to mankind.



Of course!

You do know that Al'lah is only a generic reference to a deity and in Arabic just means "The God" (Al' - lah) ???
:whistle:

Just like saying you believe in God - but which god? The god of the Muslims, Mormons, etc., or the God of the Holy Bible.

IOW: The Islamic Allah is NOT Yahweh. Therefore, Muslims are not worshipping the God of Abraham. The Islamic Al'lah is the pagan moon god that was among the 360 gods housed in the Kabah until Muhammad declared that all Muslims were to worship Allah in order to have a monotheistic religion like Jews and Christians.

In the eyes of the Jews, the Christian God is not Yahweh either. Our God is not their God, and according to them we're just a bunch of Greek-ified pagans. The fact of the matter is, we're all monotheists worshiping the God of Abraham, whether you want to believe it or not.

At any rate, as I said, that's a far cry from "uniting to build the false church" that StoneThrower claimed, isn't it.

Thanks again VoteJP. Here's from the reference you cited:


If your point were to claim that the proper name of "God" or of God-the-Father is rightfully Yahweh or Yahweh Elohim then I am on your side and I totally agree with that.

But you are claiming that the Islamic name for God as Allah is not accurate which is not true, because Allah is the Aramaic version of Elohim which is the word which we translate as God.

And your claim that some how Allah means the Moon-god is baseless even if some people do see it that way because it is wrong.

Our own English word "God" comes from what we call idols, because the idol statues are considered as Gods, and more-so is that the Christian name "God" is a reference to the Sun-God (not son of God) as in Sunday is the day of the sun.

Our Yahweh belongs to the seventh day sabbath.

If your point were to claim that the proper name of "God" or of God-the-Father is rightfully Yahweh or Yahweh Elohim then I am on your side and I totally agree with that.

But you are claiming that the Islamic name for God as Allah is not accurate which is not true, because Allah is the Aramaic version of Elohim which is the word which we translate as God.

And your claim that some how Allah means the Moon-god is baseless even if some people do see it that way because it is wrong.

Our own English word "God" comes from what we call idols, because the idol statues are considered as Gods, and more-so is that the Christian name "God" is a reference to the Sun-God (not son of God) as in Sunday is the day of the sun.

Our Yahweh belongs to the seventh day sabbath.

So, the show "American Idol" could actually mean "American God?" *sarcasm*

In the eyes of the Jews, the Christian God is not Yahweh either. Our God is not their God, and according to them we're just a bunch of Greek-ified pagans. The fact of the matter is, we're all monotheists worshiping the God of Abraham, whether you want to believe it or not.

At any rate, as I said, that's a far cry from "uniting to build the false church" that StoneThrower claimed, isn't it.

:doh:

Gee Radiant1, what part of the Islamic description of the Muslim god went over your head?

Did your God command angels to "bow down to Adam"?
Did your God say that he has no son?
Did your God say that Christians are in error for claiming that Jesus was crucified?
Did your God promise that faithful men would have a bevy of wide-eyed, voluptuous women, virgins of equal age, in paradise...etc.?

THAT is what the Islamic god, Allah, "revealed" to Muhammad.
If you and the RCC and all Catholics want to believe that the Muslims are worshipping the same deity together with y'all...then that's fine but just know that Allah is not the Saviour God of the Holy Bible.

Regarding StoneThrower's claim, I totally agree with him that the RCC is attempting to unite all religions through the ecumenical council of churches, will partner up with Islam and lead the way to building the false church that is to arise in the last days.

The RCC beheaded Evangelicals, Protestants, Jews and all others who would not bow to the papal authority once before (Inquistions) and this time the RCC will partner up with Islam and all other false religions to create the One World Religion that is spoken of in the Book of Revelation. And you, libby, one1, Bavarian, Bird Dog, etc., are going to be part of that movement that goes along with what the RCC dictates. So be it.

You have been warned.

BTW: In the eyes of God, He Is who He Is...known to Orthodox Jews as Yahweh, and to Christians as "Father" through faith in Christ alone. Nothing changed that at all. The God of Abraham is still the Father of His Only Begotten and Lamb of God, who gave His Life as an Atonement for those who place faith in His Plan of Salvation.

Starman, the fact that you actually believe that crap leads me to think you're a moronic lunatic. Really. But by all means, you just keep on going with your bad self until everyone else thinks so too.

So, the show "American Idol" could actually mean "American God?" *sarcasm*

Why the sarcasm? The use of TV, accelerating exponentially for the last 60 years, is the god-like, ruling, dominating force for so many brain-dead people, from toddlers placed in front of it by parents who "do not have time" to entertain or nurture them to the very elderly who still believe Dick Van Dyke was actually married to Mary Tyler Moore.

The computer and i-net is right up there for the brain-drain and societal/moral decline of society

Your statement is actually very accurate.

Nice post.

My God is the Lord Jesus Christ, BTW. No one, or nothing else.

Why the sarcasm? The use of TV, accelerating exponentially for the last 60 years, is the god-like, ruling, dominating force for so many brain-dead people, from toddlers placed in front of it by parents who "do not have time" to entertain or nurture them to the very elderly who still believe Dick Van Dyke was actually married to Mary Tyler Moore.

The computer and i-net is right up there for the brain-drain and societal/moral decline of society

Your statement is actually very accurate.

Nice post.

My God is the Lord Jesus Christ, BTW. No one, or nothing else.

Are these things (TV, internet, video games, Hollywood…) the reasons for our decline or is it our seemingly innate desire to be drawn to them? Are these things feeding our insatiable appetite to be entertained on a constant level or are we just unassuming victims of an evil industry aimed at dumbing us down.

If there were no audience to these things they’d go away all on their own. Don't blame the provider; blame the consumer.

Starman, the fact that you actually believe that crap leads me to think you're a moronic lunatic. Really. But by all means, you just keep on going with your bad self until everyone else thinks so too.

You are evading the specific question I asked.

Do you believe in the same "God" as the Muslims do? The RCC claims it's the same God but the comparison between the Islamic Allah and the God of The Holy Bible proves otherwise.

So which is it, radiant1? A simple yes or no will do. TYVM

Are these things (TV, internet, video games, Hollywood…) the reasons for our decline or is it our seemingly innate desire to be drawn to them? Are these things feeding our insatiable appetite to be entertained on a constant level or are we just unassuming victims of an evil industry aimed at dumbing us down.

If there were no audience to these things they’d go away all on their own. Don't blame the provider; blame the consumer.

1st paragraph: Yes, No, but definitely both of the two. People are who they are, but they still have a choice on what they do with their time, outside of standard requirements (school, work, at least for most people).

2nd paragraph: Yes, Yes, and Yes. But these "providers" would undoubtedly come up with another mousetrap that would entice with the same destructiveness.

1st paragraph: Yes, No, but definitely both of the two. People are who they are, but they still have a choice on what they do with their time, outside of standard requirements (school, work, at least for most people).

2nd paragraph: Yes, Yes, and Yes. But these "providers" would undoubtedly come up with another mousetrap that would entice with the same destructiveness.

I guess I should have attached a disclaimer stating my questions were rhetorical. The answer to this is, we decide what gets into that gray fatty matter. Nothing gets in that we don’t allow. We, as a so-called ‘civilized’ society, have very little desire for the kind of civility that regulates our morals. As we pass this on the next generation, the desire for more salacious input grows. The providers only feed into this demand.

Oh, so you are one of those "Chrislams"? The ones that try to make the God of the Bible and the god of the Koran one and the same, as well as make the Jesus of the Bible and the Jesus of the Koran one and the same?

Don't think so.

Just make up your mind, one or three ways or the other. The evidence against combining various religions just screams out against you.


Yes I am one of those that see the God (Elohim) of the Bible and Allah (Elohim) of the Qur'an are both the exact same, and yes Jesus (Isa) from the Qur'an is the same as the Jesus (Yesu) from the Bible.

The evidence actually shows that the same God (by any name) is the same God for all of humanity and the same God for every individual with no one being excluded.



I know enough about the Koran, and have read enough of it to know that, without doubt, Islam will not tolerate any line of thought but theirs.


Know one can read the Qur'an and then know what Muslims believe any more then reading the Bible to know what Christians believe - because it just does not work that way.

But we can study the history and find that for many hundreds and hundreds of years the Muslim control over the Holy Lands had Christians and Jews and other religions all living in relative peace and harmony until the Christian first World War and the Christian capture of the Holy Lands and then the Jewish occupation and then there has not been any peace or harmony after the rule was taken away from the Muslims.

Link = The great Ottoman Empire (http://www.edelo.net/routedelasoie/img/cartes/empire_ottoman_1683.png)



They are just very patient in approaching their end means - which is world dominance with a single religion, and if you don't convert to Islam, we, Islam on earth, will be judge, jury, and executioner.


Everybody wants one ruling religion for the entire earth, it is only the Christians who want to stomp out every other religion.

It was Jesus who said to pray for the Kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven, so the goal of Jesus is to have a one world religion.

The fact is that Muslims do respect the Jewish and Christian religions, and both the Jewish and Christian religions are both praised highly in the Qur'an.

And it is not just religions that want to rule over the entire world as the Republican and Democratic Parties would each be happy to rule, and so would China and Communism and even the Mormon Church would like to convert everyone over to their Church and their rule.

You are evading the specific question I asked.

Do you believe in the same "God" as the Muslims do? The RCC claims it's the same God but the comparison between the Islamic Allah and the God of The Holy Bible proves otherwise.

So which is it, radiant1? A simple yes or no will do. TYVM

I evaded nothing. I already answered your question, but let me clarify for you since you seem to have a hard time grasping it. We (Jews, Christians and Muslims) all believe in the God of Abraham; however, what we believe about him is VASTLY different between all three. So, YES! And, just because you think so doesn't prove otherwise, especially in light of your whacked out interpretations of scripture.

I evaded nothing. I already answered your question, but let me clarify for you since you seem to have a hard time grasping it. We (Jews, Christians and Muslims) all believe in the God of Abraham; however, what we believe about him is VASTLY different between all three. So, YES! And, just because you think so doesn't prove otherwise, especially in light of your whacked out interpretations of scripture.

So in other words, the god you believe in is the same as the Islamic god Allah. Okay - that's all I wanted to know.



Those who believe that Allah has a son must be admonished since this is a monstrous blasphemy and falsehood (Surah 18:4-6).

Allah has never begotten a son and there are no deities beside him (Surah 23:91).




So, Radiant1, do you also believe that the Mormon God is the same god as well? After all they claim that God and Jesus gave Joseph Smith the keys to restoring the true church on earth. :whistle:

Yes I am one of those that see the God (Elohim) of the Bible and Allah (Elohim) of the Qur'an are both the exact same, and yes Jesus (Isa) from the Qur'an is the same as the Jesus (Yesu) from the Bible.

The evidence actually shows that the same God (by any name) is the same God for all of humanity and the same God for every individual with no one being excluded.



Know one can read the Qur'an and then know what Muslims believe any more then reading the Bible to know what Christians believe - because it just does not work that way.

But we can study the history and find that for many hundreds and hundreds of years the Muslim control over the Holy Lands had Christians and Jews and other religions all living in relative peace and harmony until the Christian first World War and the Christian capture of the Holy Lands and then the Jewish occupation and then there has not been any peace or harmony after the rule was taken away from the Muslims.

Link = The great Ottoman Empire (http://www.edelo.net/routedelasoie/img/cartes/empire_ottoman_1683.png)



Everybody wants one ruling religion for the entire earth, it is only the Christians who want to stomp out every other religion.

It was Jesus who said to pray for the Kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven, so the goal of Jesus is to have a one world religion.

The fact is that Muslims do respect the Jewish and Christian religions, and both the Jewish and Christian religions are both praised highly in the Qur'an.

And it is not just religions that want to rule over the entire world as the Republican and Democratic Parties would each be happy to rule, and so would China and Communism and even the Mormon Church would like to convert everyone over to their Church and their rule.

Took a while for you to get back on this, like two days ago.

I absolutely disagree with your statements. If you want to comment on the Bible and future events, you should study the Bible, especially Daniel and Revelation.

What you are talking about has nothing to do with our time. I beg you to show me where Christianity on earth today wants to stomp out all other religions. Please, show me. It certainly does not start with the messiah in office.

You're imagining, or possibly thinking, the future, the Revelation, when the Lord Jesus will return, after the rapture and the seven years Tribulations. And you would imagine right.

There will be that great battle of Armegeddon, where the Lord Himself will destroy all the armies of the earth, made up of all non-believers.
governments and religions that are against Him.

He will do it because He is God, and He said He would. He calls the shots, not you, allah, any other wanna-be gods that will be destroyed as well at that time.

That is just the way it is going to be.

Not now. Just look around. The only real targets are Christians and those that identify themselves with Christianity. Show me any other group that is being targeted, with malice.

Take it up with God Himself. Try it. He listens, and will answer.

There is a real good chance His answer will not be the one you wish to hear or realize, however.

So in other words, the god you believe in is the same as the Islamic god Allah. Okay - that's all I wanted to know.

So, Radiant1, do you also believe that the Mormon God is the same god as well? After all they claim that God and Jesus gave Joseph Smith the keys to restoring the true church on earth. :whistle:

If there is only one true God, as you and I both believe, then ultimately everyone believes in the one true God no matter what it is they believe about Him. I don't have to like what others believe about him and I can think they're off base (that includes you). I may think their salvation is precarious, but they ultimately are believing in the one true God. He is the Alpha and Omega, all things begin and end with Him, so how could it be any other way?

Now, the real issue here is your interpretation of Revelations. The idea that there will be one world religion is debatable. Because you're adamant about this one world religion you are automatically looking for a boogey man, and because you hate the Catholic Church you will find anything conceivable or remotely possible to make it your boogey man (reminiscent of the Pharisees and Jesus, no?) You grasp onto the fact that Catholics think Muslims worship the God of Abraham and make a big stink out of it even agreeing with the statement that Catholics and Muslims will join together and persecute you poor ol' little fundamentalist bible-thumping believers with absolutely no evidence to back that up. Think about it, such a notion is a far cry from a simple "Muslims worship the God of Abraham".

Do you really suppose that Catholics would join with the religion that is persecuting and killing them in various parts of the world? Do you really think that Catholics would join with Muslims considering WHAT they believe about God? Heck, we don't even join with you (!!), you who persecute us as well, so what makes you think such a ludicrous notion? Your hatred and bias, that's what. Frankly, it makes you look like a fool and you, sir, live in fear.

If God really does deign a one world religion before the end of time, then there will be one and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop it. God is in control. All manner of things shall be well, believe that. Stop looking for a boogey man in anywhere other than your own heart.

If there is only one true God, as you and I both believe, then ultimately everyone believes in the one true God no matter what it is they believe about Him. I don't have to like what others believe about him and I can think they're off base (that includes you). I may think their salvation is precarious, but they ultimately are believing in the one true God. He is the Alpha and Omega, all things begin and end with Him, so how could it be any other way?

Now, the real issue here is your interpretation of Revelations. The idea that there will be one world religion is debatable. Because you're adamant about this one world religion you are automatically looking for a boogey man, and because you hate the Catholic Church you will find anything conceivable or remotely possible to make it your boogey man (reminiscent of the Pharisees and Jesus, no?) You grasp onto the fact that Catholics think Muslims worship the God of Abraham and make a big stink out of it even agreeing with the statement that Catholics and Muslims will join together and persecute you poor ol' little fundamentalist bible-thumping believers with absolutely no evidence to back that up. Think about it, such a notion is a far cry from a simple "Muslims worship the God of Abraham".

Do you really suppose that Catholics would join with the religion that is persecuting and killing them in various parts of the world? Do you really think that Catholics would join with Muslims considering WHAT they believe about God? Heck, we don't even join with you (!!), you who persecute us as well, so what makes you think such a ludicrous notion? Your hatred and bias, that's what. Frankly, it makes you look like a fool and you, sir, live in fear.

If God really does deign a one world religion before the end of time, then there will be one and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop it. God is in control. All manner of things shall be well, believe that. Stop looking for a boogey man in anywhere other than your own heart.

Are you a denier of the Inquisitions just like Muslims deny that the Holocaust ever happened?

BTW: Radiant1, if you think that all religions end up worshipping the "same god" then you and VoteJP would make a perfect couple. :sarcasm:

Actually,the type of thinking where "all religions lead to the same god" goes totally against the Biblical teaching that there are false religions and false gods that people trust in rather than trusting in the One Lordship of The New Testament Jesus Christ. (You know, the one that cults deny for being the only path to salvation?)

There Is Only One Truth

Took a while for you to get back on this, like two days ago.

JPC is a very busy man campaigning. :sarcasm:

I absolutely disagree with your statements.

Get used to that. :lmao: