Not that I'm going to do this, but if I wanted to could I take seeds from a kumato (heirloom tomato) and plant them to grow more?

Not that I'm going to do this, but if I wanted to could I take seeds from a kumato (heirloom tomato) and plant them to grow more?

Probably a hybrid, no telling what you'd end up with, if anything.

As long as they're not a hybrid, yes you can.

Kumato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumato)

Unlike other tomato varieties, seeds cannot be purchased by the general public. Syngenta has stated that they will never make Kumato seeds available to the general public as the Kumato tomato is grown under a concept known as a club variety, whereby Syngenta sells seeds only to licensed growers that go through a rigorous selection process, and participation is by invitation only. Syngenta maintains ownership of the variety throughout the entire value chain from breeding to marketing, whereby selected growers must agree to follow specified cultivation protocols, and in addition pay a flat license fee per acre of greenhouse, the cost of the seed, in addition to royalties based on the volume of tomatoes produced. Typically Syngenta licenses only one large vertically integrated greenhouse producer per country that has well established relationships with grocery chains.

The introduction of Kumato into the marketplace has spurred the interest of both consumers and plant breeders alike. Dulcinea has through a similar growing club concept introduced the Rosso Bruno tomato, and Black Velvet from California Hybrids through the work of Dr. Kanti Rawal marking the first competitor to Kumato available to the general public.

That said, anyone can retrieve seeds from a Kumato and grow plants for private use.


Somebody give it a whirl and see what you get. :shrug: :lol:

Not that I'm going to do this, but if I wanted to could I take seeds from a kumato (heirloom tomato) and plant them to grow more?

Information here:

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I would try germinating them in a plastic bag with a moist paper towel.

Not that I'm going to do this, but if I wanted to could I take seeds from a kumato (heirloom tomato) and plant them to grow more?

Yes, I do it with the other premium varieties.

Put the seeds in a cup of water for a few days. As soon as you see growth (a few days) plant them.

No guarantee that they will be kumatos if and when they fruit (or even sprout) because they are such specific hybrids.

Kumato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumato)

Snob tomatoes....who knew?

I might actually try it. Darn it - that means I'll have to go to Whole Foods this weekend and get some. Drat the luck. :yum:

I would try germinating them in a plastic bag with a moist paper towel.


Put the seeds in a cup of water for a few days. As soon as you see growth (a few days) plant them.

Now, should I wipe the moosh off of them or just leave them as is to germinate?

Now, should I wipe the moosh off of them or just leave them as is to germinate?

Nope. It protects the seed and will disintegrate in water.

Snob tomatoes....who knew?

I might actually try it. Darn it - that means I'll have to go to Whole Foods this weekend and get some. Drat the luck. :yum:

Giant carries them. That's where I get them.

Ok, now my interest is piqued. i have to try to germinate a few of these.... :lol:

Ok, now my interest is piqued. i have to try to germinate a few of these.... :lol:

Let us know how it progresses. I'd like to do this, myself. :buddies:

Should work fine. I was told likely hood of germinating drops if its been refridgerated. I wouldnt put them in the fridge first if that is the case. Good luck! Vrai, you should come with me to the plant swamp next month! :yay: You'd probalby like it.

Should work fine. I was told likely hood of germinating drops if its been refridgerated. I wouldnt put them in the fridge first if that is the case. Good luck! Vrai, you should come with me to the plant swamp next month! :yay: You'd probalby like it.

They have a plant swamp around here? What kinda plants grow in the swamp?

They have a plant swamp around here? What kinda plants grow in the swamp?

oops! :blushing:

:roflmao:

oops! :blushing:

:roflmao:

You mean there is no plant swamp? :bawl:

Teasing is not nice!

You mean there is no plant swamp? :bawl:

Teasing is not nice!

For some reason that made me thing of Sigmund the Seamonster. :lol: I liked him!! :lol:

Let us know how it progresses. I'd like to do this, myself. :buddies:

I've done it before with other tomato seeds, just not this variety. The seeds may be sterile for all I know.

Well, took a bit longer than usual, but they are sprouting tails!! Almost ready to transfer them to a peat planter.

Well, took a bit longer than usual, but they are sprouting tails!! Almost ready to transfer them to a peat planter.

How long? I stuck my seeds in water day before yesterday, so we'll see what happens.

Then what? Transfer them to peat and not soil? Like a peat pellet type of thing?

How long? I stuck my seeds in water day before yesterday, so we'll see what happens.

Then what? Transfer them to peat and not soil? Like a peat pellet type of thing?Just get some potting soil. Peat is already in it along with some vermiculite to keep the soil loose.

How long? I stuck my seeds in water day before yesterday, so we'll see what happens.

Then what? Transfer them to peat and not soil? Like a peat pellet type of thing?
I put them in water on the 3/20. Any seed media/potting soil is fine, just dampen the soil before you put the seed in it.

Just get some potting soil. Peat is already in it along with some vermiculite to keep the soil loose.

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Just get some potting soil. Peat is already in it along with some vermiculite to keep the soil loose.

I put them in water on the 3/20. Any seed media/potting soil is fine, just dampen the soil before you put the seed in it.

Thanks! It'll be interesting to see what we come out with.

Well, just about every seed I put in water sprouted. Transferred a bunch to pots a few days ago, did some more today. But just because they sprouted still doesn't mean they will bear flowers or fruit. Had to wait a few months for that!

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Well, just about every seed I put in water sprouted. Transferred a bunch to pots a few days ago, did some more today. But just because they sprouted still doesn't mean they will bear flowers or fruit. Had to wait a few months for that!

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great job!

Wow, they look great! Still waiting for mine to sprout... :frown:

Well, I have a bunch that I won't plant, you're welcome to them.

Wow, they look great! Still waiting for mine to sprout... :frown:

Patience Daniel-san...

Well, four days later, and they are doing just fine.

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I've done this before with seed right from the tomato. No telling what kind you'll end up with, but I've always been able to grow a plant from them. :shrug: Who knew.

I've done this before with seed right from the tomato. No telling what kind you'll end up with, but I've always been able to grow a plant from them. :shrug: Who knew.

Yeah, that's the question here. I was pretty sure they'd sprout, but have no idea if they will fruit, and if they do, what it will be. Might even be a potato for all I know...

Just a simple experiment... :lol:

Here is all the stuff we've got growing :biggrin:

Rainbow Heirlooms, Black Krim, Green Zebras, Orange Whoppers, Gloden Rave,Brandywines, & Chocolate Cherry Maters.

We also just planted our cantaloupe, honey dew, & sugar baby watermelons.

Here is all the stuff we've got growing :biggrin:

Rainbow Heirlooms, Black Krim, Green Zebras, Orange Whoppers, Gloden Rave,Brandywines, & Chocolate Cherry Maters.

We also just planted our cantaloupe, honey dew, & sugar baby watermelons.

Looks good! You got a bit earlier start than I did! :lol: I wasn't looking to have a garden this year, but just needed to try this.

Looks good! You got a bit earlier start than I did! :lol: I wasn't looking to have a garden this year, but just needed to try this.

I hope it works. If it does I am so going to try it. We really liked those when I bought them a week or so ago.

Hopefully our plants bare fruit. Last year our crop sucked :frown:

Well.... experiment over. For this year, anyway. Went out of town, thought it was supposed to rain a few times, apparently never did. All the seedlings dried out, nothing but crispy little wisps now... :ohwell:

Well.... experiment over. For this year, anyway. Went out of town, thought it was supposed to rain a few times, apparently never did. All the seedlings dried out, nothing but crispy little wisps now... :ohwell:

Well rats :ohwell:

How long? I stuck my seeds in water day before yesterday, so we'll see what happens.

Then what? Transfer them to peat and not soil? Like a peat pellet type of thing?

I'm confused. don't you know somebody who grows plants for a living?

I already see maters on my plants and peppers too - yippee.

Syngenta maintains ownership of the variety throughout the entire value chain from breeding to marketing, whereby selected growers must agree to follow specified cultivation protocols, and in addition pay a flat license fee per acre of greenhouse, the cost of the seed, in addition to royalties based on the volume of tomatoes produced.




Until the Patent runs out in 20 yrs.

Until the Patent runs out in 20 yrs.

What are YOU doing in a gardening thread? :howdy:

Well.... experiment over. For this year, anyway.




:shrug:


Why ?

I'm confused. don't you know somebody who grows plants for a living?

He doesn't grow tomatoes. And he doesn't grow from seed, he grows from plugs. Unless that's changed in the last few years.

Besides from having peas coming out the ears this year, here are my first tomatoes from the garden! :yahoo:

Besides from having peas coming out the ears this year, here are my first tomatoes from the garden! :yahoo:

Gorgeous! That was the best part about growing my own 'maters - pulling that perfect specimen of fruit off the vine and showing it off on here.

:yahoo:

He doesn't grow tomatoes. And he doesn't grow from seed, he grows from plugs. Unless that's changed in the last few years.

We grow ALL our gerbs from seed. We've sown over 1.5 million in the past 4 years.

:diva:

Besides from having peas coming out the ears this year, here are my first tomatoes from the garden! :yahoo:

Awesome!!!!

We got back from being gone for a week and had a patch full of strawberries :yum: They were so delish!

No red maters yet though :frown:

Awesome!!!!

We got back from being gone for a week and had a patch full of strawberries :yum: They were so delish!

No red maters yet though :frown:

I forgot about all the strawberries. LOL I gave most away and then just started throwing them away *strawberried-out*. I got at least 15 lbs of peas off the vines this weekeend, well me and Belvak and her hubby did. I wasnt out alone picking them, I had help, and now these! :diva: I have squash coming up already as well! I love this time of year! :yahoo:

I forgot about all the strawberries. LOL I gave most away and then just started throwing them away *strawberried-out*. I got at 15 lbs of peas off the vines this weekeend, well me and Belvak and her hubby did. I wasnt out alone picking them, I had help, and now these! :diva: I have squash coming up already as well! I love this time of year! :yahoo:

Wow that is fantastic!

I wonder if we are doing something wrong. We have had squash blossoms on our plants for about a week now but no actual squash. We have a bunch of green maters but they havent turned red yet...unless they are the green zebras we planted :lol:

Wow that is fantastic!

I wonder if we are doing something wrong. We have had squash blossoms on our plants for about a week now but no actual squash. We have a bunch of green maters but they havent turned red yet...unless they are the green zebras we planted :lol:The rule of thumb for our area is to expect your first red tomato around the 4th of July.

Wow that is fantastic!

I wonder if we are doing something wrong. We have had squash blossoms on our plants for about a week now but no actual squash. We have a bunch of green maters but they havent turned red yet...unless they are the green zebras we planted :lol:

I think I maybe a little ahead of the game. I started most of my stuff in a greenhouse a friend gave me last year. All the other tomatoes are still all green. I dont know why these were so overly zelous. They were orangish and I took them off the plant because I figured it was draining the plants energy and then I put these in a window. They are red now. :smile:

I only have one Tomato Plant this year. It's called a Better Boy. There are about 30 Flowers on it, and I have about 6 Green Tomatoes so far. I hope to get a couple of Sammies out of it this year.

The rule of thumb for our area is to expect your first red tomato around the 4th of July.

Thanks! I was starting to get worried for awhile there. We have put a lot of time into the garden this year and would be heartbroken if it was for nothign.

Thanks! I was starting to get worried for awhile there. We have put a lot of time into the garden this year and would be heartbroken if it was for nothign.
I think you'll have GOOD Luck this year, with as nice as it's been. Our Tomatoes were horrible last year, and come to think of it, much of our Garden didn't do too well either.

Wow that is fantastic!

I wonder if we are doing something wrong. We have had squash blossoms on our plants for about a week now but no actual squash. We have a bunch of green maters but they havent turned red yet...unless they are the green zebras we planted :lol:

Zuchinni is producing, and gooseneck looks like next week maybe..

IF the Squash Bugs don't get them first!! Have set squash bug traps out so I can stop on the way to work and kill them.. it seems they LIKE SEVIN.. have killed a few that were completely covered in it, and still VERY lively.

Cucumbers are kind of small still, but edible..

Cabbages are REAL close to being ready..

Lots of Roma Tomatoes that should be starting in a week or two..

Strawberries are past until the fall.. Blueberries have JUST started, and another small crop.. Raspberries are starting up on one variety of bush, and the others won't be ready for another month or so..

Super Chilis are bushing out and are beautiful plants..

No baby peppers on any bush yet..

Asparagus should be REAL good... next year. Got about 50 purple passion growing, and about 50 mixed Jersey and Martha Washington..

Thinking of trying my hand at potatoes.. still have about a 1/3rd of the garden still tilled up and unused.. IDEAS??

I'm liking this farmer Bob stuff.. just have to up the quantities to make it worthwhile..

I think you'll have GOOD Luck this year, with as nice as it's been. Our Tomatoes were horrible last year, and come to think of it, much of our Garden didn't do too well either.

We had a lot of bug problems last year.. NEVER got a good looking tomato of any of our plants, but they all made good sauce.

itsbob, what about green beans? Our peas have finally stopped producing so we are tilling them up and planting more green beans.

Onions... did you plant any onions yet? Nothing beats fresh onion from the garden.

Zuchinni is producing, and gooseneck looks like next week maybe..

IF the Squash Bugs don't get them first!! Have set squash bug traps out so I can stop on the way to work and kill them.. it seems they LIKE SEVIN.. have killed a few that were completely covered in it, and still VERY lively.

Cucumbers are kind of small still, but edible..

Cabbages are REAL close to being ready..

Lots of Roma Tomatoes that should be starting in a week or two..

Strawberries are past until the fall.. Blueberries have JUST started, and another small crop.. Raspberries are starting up on one variety of bush, and the others won't be ready for another month or so..

Super Chilis are bushing out and are beautiful plants..

No baby peppers on any bush yet..

Asparagus should be REAL good... next year. Got about 50 purple passion growing, and about 50 mixed Jersey and Martha Washington..

Thinking of trying my hand at potatoes.. still have about a 1/3rd of the garden still tilled up and unused.. IDEAS??

I'm liking this farmer Bob stuff.. just have to up the quantities to make it worthwhile..

We did all of those things (except the aspargus, blueberries & raspberries) but we also did radishes, watermelon, cantaloupe, honey dew, pumpkins, and about 8 different types of heirloom tomatoes. Doesnt sound like you ahve any of those. Try them out. I find those to be pretty pricey in the stores, so we thought we'd give them a try.

We did all of those things (except the aspargus, blueberries & raspberries) but we also did radishes, watermelon, cantaloupe, honey dew, pumpkins, and about 8 different types of heirloom tomatoes. Doesnt sound like you ahve any of those. Try them out. I find those to be pretty pricey in the stores, so we thought we'd give them a try.

I just put the watemelon and the can'telope in the ground yesterday.. oh, and a pumpkin (should I have planted it stem up or stem down?)_

Trying Beets too, but it doesn't look like many took.. Like 3 or 4 in each row where I expected 15-20...

Heirloom Tomatos sound interesting though.. do any of them taste like beer??

itsbob, what about green beans? Our peas have finally stopped producing so we are tilling them up and planting more green beans.

Onions... did you plant any onions yet? Nothing beats fresh onion from the garden.

I'm growing Asparagus for BG as I don't like it.. won't give into the Onions.. Maybe Vidalia if she promises to make blooming Onions..

No peas.. Nasty Green Balls (though do like Snow Peas).. and haven't had luck with Beans here. Tried last year with ZERO success.

Thinking of trying my hand at potatoes.. still have about a 1/3rd of the garden still tilled up and unused.. IDEAS??

I'm liking this farmer Bob stuff.. just have to up the quantities to make it worthwhile..Wayyyyy too late for potatoes. Do corn & green beans.

I just put the watemelon and the can'telope in the ground yesterday.. oh, and a pumpkin (should I have planted it stem up or stem down?)_

Trying Beets too, but it doesn't look like many took.. Like 3 or 4 in each row where I expected 15-20...

Heirloom Tomatos sound interesting though.. do any of them taste like beer??
No not like beer lol but they all have different taste and textrures. Its fund to use them in salads, salsa's, recipes etc...

I am not sure about the stem up or down thing :confused: :lol: But once it blooms you are supposed to pinch off a couple so that way all the energy goes to just a couple pumpkins. At least that is what everyone has told us :shrug:
Wayyyyy too late for potatoes. Do corn & green beans.

Our corn last year wasnt very good. I think we left it on to long.

Our corn last year wasnt very good. I think we left it on to long.

We've got about 100 stalks of Serendipity sweet corn growing, and regular injections of Nitrogen to make sure they do well..

That and a automatic inline fertilizer system so all the plants get their very own dose..

We've got about 100 stalks of Serendipity sweet corn growing, and regular injections of Nitrogen to make sure they do well..

That and a automatic inline fertilizer system so all the plants get their very own dose..

Holy crap! You are way more technical than us :lol: We fertilize when we water w/ the hose but thats it.

Holy crap! You are way more technical than us :lol: We fertilize when we water w/ the hose but thats it.

You missed the part where 'automatic inline fertilizer system' is his new nickname for BadGirl...:huggy:

You missed the part where 'automatic inline fertilizer system' is his new nickname for BadGirl...:huggy:

:lmao: Ohhh I gotcha!

You missed the part where 'automatic inline fertilizer system' is his new nickname for BadGirl...:huggy:

:shrug: I though he was just whizzing on the plants....

:shrug: I though he was just whizzing on the plants....

Au Natural Urea...

BUT I put in a drip irrigation system this year.. except for the corn and the beets, each plant, bush and tree has it's own dripper (.5 GPM).. Beets and corn have an inline dripper/soaker hose.. every 6 inches there is a .5 GPM dripper in the hose.

EVERY plant gets watered 3 days a week, twice a day..

Fill the inline fertilizer up, and each plant in turn, gets fertilized..

Au Natural Urea...

BUT I put in a drip irrigation system this year.. except for the corn and the beets, each plant, bush and tree has it's own dripper (.5 GPM).. Beets and corn have an inline dripper/soaker hose.. every 6 inches there is a .5 GPM dripper in the hose.

EVERY plant gets watered 3 days a week, twice a day..

Fill the inline fertilizer up, and each plant in turn, gets fertilized..

I did that for the ex's greenhouse. I had hundreds of drip nozzles and a bunch of timers. Made it so much easier not to have to worry about it.

I did that for the ex's greenhouse. I had hundreds of drip nozzles and a bunch of timers. Made it so much easier not to have to worry about it.

Lowe's sells the pieces and parts, but found a place online MisterLandscaper (I think) that are about 1/2 -1/10th of the Lowe's prices. Bought most of the 1/2 inch hoses at Lowes because the shipping was high, but paid almost $3 for a single inline dripper at Lowes, and bought a dozen for the same price online.. and they work!

itsbob, what about green beans? Our peas have finally stopped producing so we are tilling them up and planting more green beans.

Onions... did you plant any onions yet? Nothing beats fresh onion from the garden.


Same here! I tilled up all the peas this weekend. I'm going to be planting Green Bean there.. .succession planting sort of. I wish I had planted more onions though :doh:

Lowe's sells the pieces and parts, but found a place online MisterLandscaper (I think) that are about 1/2 -1/10th of the Lowe's prices. Bought most of the 1/2 inch hoses at Lowes because the shipping was high, but paid almost $3 for a single inline dripper at Lowes, and bought a dozen for the same price online.. and they work!

I think I got all my parts from Charlie's Greenhouse supply online. Still have most of them.

I only have one Tomato Plant this year. It's called a Better Boy. There are about 30 Flowers on it, and I have about 6 Green Tomatoes so far. I hope to get a couple of Sammies out of it this year.

So far so good on my plants (been spraying them every week with that non-toxic pest deterrent) - about 5 tomato plants if differing varieties including BB, and about 8 Jalapeno plants, and too many yellow squash and pumpkin plants to count!

I have excess yellow squash and pumpkin plants if anyone is interested before they croak by still being in the started pack. I do not know which are which LOL