Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts sinful in class says Alberta gvmt



EDMONTON, Alberta, February 23, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Under Alberta’s new Education Act, homeschoolers and faith-based schools will not be permitted to teach that homosexual acts are sinful as part of their academic program, says the spokesperson for Education Minister Thomas Lukaszuk.

“Whatever the nature of schooling – homeschool, private school, Catholic school – we do not tolerate disrespect for differences,” Donna McColl, Lukaszuk’s assistant director of communications, told LifeSiteNews on Wednesday evening.

“You can affirm the family’s ideology in your family life, you just can’t do it as part of your educational study and instruction,” she added.

Reacting to the remarks, Paul Faris of the Home School Legal Defence Association said the Ministry of Education is “clearly signaling that they are in fact planning to violate the private conversations families have in their own homes.”

“A government that seeks that sort of control over our personal lives should be feared and opposed,” he added.

Coming soon to a home-school group in a neighborhood near us.

I, and I sincerely hope all home-schoolers, will not comply.

I will support their efforts to the fullest.

Canada, our neighbor, is so full of PC crap - just sickening.

The clown in the WH must go away in Nov 2012 elections.

“Whatever the nature of schooling – homeschool, private school, Catholic school – we do not tolerate disrespect for differences,” .

But arent they disrepecting our difference :shrug:

But arent they disrepecting our difference :shrug:

No, no, no. Disrespect can only come from those that have differences with the left PC crowd. Their differences with others has no meaning.:sarcasm:

Coming soon to a home-school group in a neighborhood near us.I, and I sincerely hope all home-schoolers, will not comply.

I will support their efforts to the fullest.

Canada, our neighbor, is so full of PC crap - just sickening.

The clown in the WH must go away in Nov 2012 elections.Nope. They can't do it. It's called Freedom of Religion. You can teach your children your religious beliefs. If that ever happens, we'll have the next civil war.

The title that shows up for this thread is:

Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts

Which makes one wonder why homeschooling families would be teaching homosexual acts in the first place.

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The title that shows up for this thread is:

Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts

Which makes one wonder why homeschooling families would be teaching homosexual acts in the first place.

Cut and paste is NOT your friend.

lol - When I first saw the title, I was actually expecting the article to conclude:


Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts - but public school teachers can.

Nope. They can't do it. It's called Freedom of Religion. You can teach your children your religious beliefs. If that ever happens, we'll have the next civil war.

The article actually said you CAN teach your children whatever values you have, but not as part of the curriculum. I don't see the problem, kids to go school (or in this case, stay home) to learn math, science, history and how to read. Where does sexuality enter that at all? Where does religion enter that at all. Teach your kids religion all you want just don't push it into places where it doesn't belong.

It's not the PC crowd forcing things into the learning process on this one. It's not like they are forcing home school parents to teach that homosexuality is ok either.

The title that shows up for this thread is:

Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts

Which makes one wonder why homeschooling families would be teaching homosexual acts in the first place.

Cut and paste is NOT your friend.But the text says - homeschoolers and faith-based schools will not be permitted to teach that homosexual acts are sinful as part of their academic program

The article actually said you CAN teach your children whatever values you have, but not as part of the curriculum. I don't see the problem, kids to go school (or in this case, stay home) to learn math, science, history and how to read. Where does sexuality enter that at all? Where does religion enter that at all. Teach your kids religion all you want just don't push it into places where it doesn't belong.

It's not the PC crowd forcing things into the learning process on this one. It's not like they are forcing home school parents to teach that homosexuality is ok either.If you're teaching your children your religious values as part of a curriculum, who is going to stop you? If my religion says homosexuality is wrong, this is what I will teach my children. Why you would want to make it part of a homeschool curriculum is beyond me, but you should be able to do so. :shrug:

But the text says -

If you're teaching your children your religious values as part of a curriculum, who is going to stop you? If my religion says homosexuality is wrong, this is what I will teach my children. Why you would want to make it part of a homeschool curriculum is beyond me, but you should be able to do so. :shrug:

No, because homosexuality doesn't have anything to do with school. It means you can't say things like "homosexuality is a disease" because then it sounds like science. If you wanna say, "ok kids, class over, now let's talk about why we think gay people are sinning", fine, whatever, I disagree but it's your right to do so. The important part of the law is "as part of the academic program". Incidentally this is just a formalization of something that was already implied because even home school curriculum has to be approved in order for a kid to get a diploma. Since it wasn't part of the public school curriculum it already wasn't allowed in home school.

On the other side of the coin, the education system should not be allowed to teach that homosexual acts are acceptable.

On the other side of the coin, the education system should not be allowed to teach that homosexual acts are acceptable.

As long as that side of the coin includes the provision that is is not ok to harass, demean or incite violence against someone who is homosexual.

As long as that side of the coin includes the provision that is is not ok to harass, demean or incite violence against someone who is homosexual.

Political correctness is baloney. Is it right to denigrate anyone? No. Do people in the U.S. have the right to do so? Yes. The Constitution does not guarantee that you have the right not to be offended. Nor does it confer the power to the Congress to pass such legislation.

The same with laws against hate speech and hate crimes. They are ludicrous. There is not a crime that is done out of love, so proposing the opposite is just stupid. All crimes are hate crimes.

But when a child is home schooled under the auspices of a Christian umbrella school, the government has no right in the U.S. to tell the home schooling parent that they cannot teach that homosexual behavior is sin especially since Christian umbrella schools require Biblical studies.

The Canadian government is stepping into an area that is a reason people fled to the new continent from England in the 1500s.

Political correctness is baloney. Is it right to denigrate anyone? No. Do people in the U.S. have the right to do so? Yes. The Constitution does not guarantee that you have the right not to be offended. Nor does it confer the power to the Congress to pass such legislation.

I never said people didn't have the right to say they don't like gay people in their own home or out in the street. We were talking about what should be said in school and since this is a sensitive issue I don't think it should be brought up at all. Let each parent deal with it however they want.


But when a child is home schooled under the auspices of a Christian umbrella school, the government has no right in the U.S. to tell the home schooling parent that they cannot teach that homosexual behavior is sin especially since Christian umbrella schools require Biblical studies.

Again, my comment earlier was, and the law states, that it just can't be part of the official curriculum. You can teach your kids whatever you want as long as you don't slip it in to the math or history lesson.

Cut and paste is NOT your friend.



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Political correctness is baloney. Is it right to denigrate anyone? No. Do people in the U.S. have the right to do so? Yes. The Constitution does not guarantee that you have the right not to be offended. Nor does it confer the power to the Congress to pass such legislation.





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Again, my comment earlier was, and the law states, that it just can't be part of the official curriculum. You can teach your kids whatever you want as long as you don't slip it in to the math or history lesson.

And you apparently missed that the Bible and Christian studies IS part of the official curriculum of a home school the is under a Christian umbrella school.

The article actually said you CAN teach your children whatever values you have, but not as part of the curriculum. I don't see the problem, kids to go school (or in this case, stay home) to learn math, science, history and how to read. Where does sexuality enter that at all? Where does religion enter that at all. Teach your kids religion all you want just don't push it into places where it doesn't belong.

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When the child is home schooled, Religion might just belong in that home. As long as the child passes the basic test requirements, anything "extra" is not any business of you, me or any government official.

I though you all wanted to keep the government out of peoples homes..

As long as that side of the coin includes the provision that is is not ok to harass, demean or incite violence against someone who is homosexual.

Are you really that worried about harassment or demeaning anyone? Or are you just bent on dictating how Christians practice their faith; EVEN IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES? Where was this concern when Christians are harassed (http://forums.somd.com/religion/244703-atheists-post-nobody-died-your-sins.html)?

Are you really that worried about harassment or demeaning anyone? Or are you just bent on dictating how Christians practice their faith; EVEN IN THE PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN HOMES? Where was this concern when Christians are harassed (http://forums.somd.com/religion/244703-atheists-post-nobody-died-your-sins.html)?

you're talking about the difference between a billboard, owned by a private company, paid for by a private group. I'm talking about the official curriculum in an educational setting.

No, I don't care about that billboard and I will defend the right of the person who paid for it to put it up. The SAME way I defend the rights of these people (http://www.cafemom.com/answers/658320/What_do_you_think_of_these_Christian_billboards) to put theirs up. For me free speech doesn't end when I disagree with what's being said.

Where it does end is when a parent tries to pass off their religious views of homosexuality as the standard scientific view. I'll say it one more time for everyone: I don't care what you teach your kids about homosexuality. Just don't put words in other peoples mouths and make sure you're teaching them is its your belief not that of science. This is the entire reason you don't put it in school, to ensure there is that separation.

When the child is home schooled, Religion might just belong in that home. As long as the child passes the basic test requirements, anything "extra" is not any business of you, me or any government official.

I though you all wanted to keep the government out of peoples homes..

see my response about how I don't care what you teach your kids, just don't make it look like that is the general view of science. Also, I'm wondering who you mean by "you all".

I never said people didn't have the right to say they don't like gay people in their own home or out in the street. We were talking about what should be said in school and since this is a sensitive issue I don't think it should be brought up at all. Let each parent deal with it however they want.




Again, my comment earlier was, and the law states, that it just can't be part of the official curriculum. You can teach your kids whatever you want as long as you don't slip it in to the math or history lesson.Then how do they get away with it in Catholic School. And that wasn't a question because Religion is part of the curriculum in Catholic School and they do teach the Bible.

Then how do they get away with it in Catholic School. And that wasn't a question because Religion is part of the curriculum in Catholic School and they do teach the Bible.

Catholic school is different, parents sign their kids up knowing that religion is part of what will be taught.

The Catholic view of homosexuality is a weird on to me. They don't say homosexuality is a sin in it's self, only homosexual sex. Basically the view of the Catholic Church seems to be: "You can be gay, just don't have sex"

source (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality)

you're talking about the difference between a billboard, owned by a private company, paid for by a private group. I'm talking about the official curriculum in an educational setting.

No, I don't care about that billboard and I will defend the right of the person who paid for it to put it up. The SAME way I defend the rights of these people (http://www.cafemom.com/answers/658320/What_do_you_think_of_these_Christian_billboards) to put theirs up. For me free speech doesn't end when I disagree with what's being said.

Where it does end is when a parent tries to pass off their religious views of homosexuality as the standard scientific view. I'll say it one more time for everyone: I don't care what you teach your kids about homosexuality. Just don't put words in other peoples mouths and make sure you're teaching them is its your belief not that of science. This is the entire reason you don't put it in school, to ensure there is that separation.

Or perhaps we're talking about your desire to go into a person's home and tell them how they are going to teach their kids. So not only are you okay with harassing peoples' exercise of free speech and religion in public, you're for going into our homes as well. Just don't harass those gays. :ohwell:

Catholic school is different, parents sign their kids up knowing that religion is part of what will be taught.

And how is this any different than home schooling?

Let me save you some time........ IT'S NOT!

And how is this any different than home schooling?

Let me save you some time........ IT'S NOT!

Since the original article isn't posted, allow me:

Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts sinful in class says Alberta gvmt (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-homeschooling-families-cant-teach-homosexuality-a-sin-in-class-sa)

And this is the part that is important


According to McColl, Christian homeschooling families can continue to impart Biblical teachings on homosexuality in their homes, “as long as it’s not part of their academic program of studies and instructional materials.”

“What they want to do about their ideology elsewhere, that’s their family business. But a fundamental nature of our society is to respect diversity,” she added.

Since the original article isn't posted, allow me:

Homeschooling families can’t teach homosexual acts sinful in class says Alberta gvmt (http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-homeschooling-families-cant-teach-homosexuality-a-sin-in-class-sa)

And this is the part that is important

Let me make sure I get you right before I get too high on my horse on this one... Do you think this is right? Do you think this should be law in the US?

Or perhaps we're talking about your desire to go into a person's home and tell them how they are going to teach their kids. So not only are you okay with harassing peoples' exercise of free speech and religion in public, you're for going into our homes as well. Just don't harass those gays. :ohwell:

How on Earth do you get that I'm in favor or "harassing people's exercise of free speech and religion in public"? Guess you didn't click on the link. Since I flat out said that I defend the right of someone to call me (that is ME, not some guy I know, not some people on TV but ME) UnAmerican simply because I don't believe in a god. I of course disagree with them saying that, but they can say it all they want.

Let me make sure I get you right before I get too high on my horse on this one... Do you think this is right? Do you think this should be law in the US?

Let me put my thoughts on the subject out there for everyone:

I agree:

People shouldn't (that's shouldn't, not can't) teach their children or anyone else that it's ok to harrass others based on their sexuality, race or gender
Public school should be agnostic on the topic of religion
If you decide to homeschool your child you should have to meet minimum requirements of education equal to thoes of public school
People have the right to teach their children their own personal beliefs
If you homeschool your children you still get to teach them religion
Religious teachings do not apply to the minimum education requirements for graduation


I do not agree:

Homosexuality is wrong (before you say it, yes that is a personal belief and only vaguely important to the argument)
Homosexualy is harmful is and agreed upon fact in the scientific community
The "sinfulness" of homosexuality shoudl be taught as science or history


The short answer is NO. My main concern in this is the last bullet on my second list.

How on Earth do you get that I'm in favor or "harassing people's exercise of free speech and religion in public"? Guess you didn't click on the link. Since I flat out said that I defend the right of someone to call me (that is ME, not some guy I know, not some people on TV but ME) UnAmerican simply because I don't believe in a god. I of course disagree with them saying that, but they can say it all they want.

Well considering you are pretty outspoken in your concerns about gays being harassed, yet you had not one peep to say about this (http://forums.somd.com/religion/244703-atheists-post-nobody-died-your-sins.html); a bunch of atheists harassing Christians.

I wonder why that is Mr. Atheist? :tap:

Now I expect you to march right over to that thread and voice your outrage against your atheist brothers and sisters.

Well considering you are pretty outspoken in your concerns about gays being harassed, yet you had not one peep to say about this (http://forums.somd.com/religion/244703-atheists-post-nobody-died-your-sins.html); a bunch of atheists harassing Christians.

I wonder why that is Mr. Atheist? :tap:

I did comment on that, in my previous post. No I didn't comment in the thread, I didn't see it. But if you ready my previous post to you on here I addressed it and gave my counter examples.

Both sides used words on a billboard, in this life you'll have to read things you don't like (I do all the time) and deal with it. I mean harass, as in HARASS, face to face confrontation of a person.

Let me put my thoughts on the subject out there for everyone:

I agree:

People shouldn't (that's shouldn't, not can't) teach their children or anyone else that it's ok to harrass others based on their sexuality, race or gender
Public school should be agnostic on the topic of religion
If you decide to homeschool your child you should have to meet minimum requirements of education equal to thoes of public school
People have the right to teach their children their own personal beliefs
If you homeschool your children you still get to teach them religion
Religious teachings do not apply to the minimum education requirements for graduation


I do not agree:

Homosexuality is wrong (before you say it, yes that is a personal belief and only vaguely important to the argument)
Homosexualy is harmful is and agreed upon fact in the scientific community
The "sinfulness" of homosexuality shoudl be taught as science or history


The short answer is NO. My main concern in this is the last bullet on my second list.

And my only point is... EVEN IN CANADA... I recognize the practice of religion as a freedom we are ALL (everywhere in the world) are born with and it's none of your, or any government's, business what I do or teach my kids in my home.

This sort of intrusiveness, and any agreement to it, is what grants governments the power to distribute liberties as they see fit. If you don't see this as inherently wrong, as an American, then I don’t know how you wake up every morning in such a terrible country.

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Right. She should change the forums to accomodate your incompetent laziness.

And my only point is... EVEN IN CANADA... I recognize the practice of religion as a freedom we are ALL (everywhere in the world) are born with and it's none of your, or any government's, business what I do or teach my kids in my home.

This sort of intrusiveness, and any agreement to it, is what grants governments the power to distribute liberties as they see fit. If you don't see this as inherently wrong, as an American, then I don’t know how you wake up every morning in such a terrible country.

Are we talking the US or Canada being a terrible country?

I did comment on that, in my previous post. No I didn't comment in the thread, I didn't see it. But if you ready my previous post to you on here I addressed it and gave my counter examples.

Both sides used words on a billboard, in this life you'll have to read things you don't like (I do all the time) and deal with it. I mean harass, as in HARASS, face to face confrontation of a person.

You didn't see it? :lmao: The threads are right on top of each other.

Now that you’ve lectured me, it’s my turn. It was Easter. A CHRISTIAN celebration. The only purpose for these atheists to post their signs on EASTER, as opposed to any other day of the year, was to harass Christians in their celebrating THEIR MOST SACRED holiday. This has nothing to do with what I like or don't like on a sign; it has to do with your selective concern and outrage over someone's liberties and to not be harassed. You atheists are free to harass anyone you want; you’re also free to try to exercise a little respect and discipline to realize there are others in this world that hold beliefs; and those may be contrary to yours; just like you're demanding Christians to do in regards to gays.

But, it’s okay… I know it’s what you do. You help yourself. We forgive you and loathing for Christians :lol:

You didn't see it? :lmao: The threads are right on top of each other.

But, it’s okay… I know it’s what you do. You help yourself. We forgive you and loathing for Christians :lol:

First, no I didn't see it. I haven't looked at the threads since last week, I'm in here because I subscribed to this thread and saw responses. I have not browsed all week.

Second, 3zZ-9rM2dVM who is so innocent on protesting an "important day" for a certain group? Those Christians had a right to be there. If you agree with that statement then the billboard is fine.

Third, I really don't care what you believe nor do I expect you to care about what I believe.

Are we talking the US or Canada being a terrible country?

Let me put my thoughts on the subject out there for everyone:

I do not agree:

The "sinfulness" of homosexuality shoudl be taught as science or history


The short answer is NO. My main concern in this is the last bullet on my second list.

I don't know where you live, but if you live in America, who exactly should manage this in home-schooling? How should it be managed? If I want to teach my child, at home, that homosexuality is wrong, from a biological or historic standpoint, what business is it of yours or the government's?

I don't know where you live, but if you live in America, who exactly should manage this in home-schooling? How should it be managed? If I want to teach my child, at home, that homosexuality is wrong, from a biological or historic standpoint, what business is it of yours or the government's?

Because it's NOT history or biology. Biological scientists do NOT agree that homosexuality is harmful to the species. Historically...well I'm not sure where you'd even go with that.

I don't know where you live, but if you live in America,

so you're saying America is a terrible country?

then I don’t know how you wake up every morning in such a terrible country.

Because it's NOT history or biology. Biological scientists do NOT agree that homosexuality is harmful to the species. Historically...well I'm not sure where you'd even go with that.

So biologically and historically there hasn't been male and female of every species for the purpose of procreation? Historically, in the human species there has been no such thing as marriage between a man and a woman? We’ve been dreaming this all along?

Perhaps you can define harmful? Look at what it’s doing to our society today. Many believe AIDS was introduced to the human population through the gay community. From a procreation standpoint, it is biologically impossible for a man and a man or a woman and a woman to procreate. If you want to look at life from a strictly scientific/biological standpoint, this goes against why nature created male and female in every species.

And since you admit scientists do not agree, it means there are two sides to the argument in the scientific community; how can you say it shouldn't be taught when even the scientific community doesn't agree?

so you're saying America is a terrible country?

You're joking right? :ohwell:

You're joking right? :ohwell:

You're joking right? :ohwell:

you said:

If you don't see this as inherently wrong, as an American, then I don’t know how you wake up every morning in such a terrible country.

I asked what country you were talking about.

Then you said:

I don't know where you live, but if you live in America

you said:



I asked what country you were talking about.

Then you said:

My whole statement:

This sort of intrusiveness, and any agreement to it, is what grants governments the power to distribute liberties as they see fit. If you don't see this as inherently wrong, as an American, then I don’t know how you wake up every morning in such a terrible country.

If you believe government should have the authority to come in our homes and dictate what we teach our kids and not recognize we have certain unalienable rights in this regard, then you must believe America is a miserable place to live. God forbid such a day comes where the government can come into our homes and dictate the limits of what we teach our kids.

My whole statement:



If you believe government should have the authority to come in our homes and dictate what we teach our kids and not recognize we have certain unalienable rights in this regard, then you must believe America is a miserable place to live. God forbid such a day comes where the government can come into our homes and dictate the limits of what we teach our kids.

ok, guess it was a misunderstanding.

my final thought on this because I don't know that I can add anything beyond this:

Teach your kids what you want. You can teach kids the historical context of homosexuality (Rome would be an example) and the biological facts of homosexuality (1,500 species have displayed homosexuality tendencies. But, (oh, come on you knew a but was coming) don't teach them that biology says it's harmful to the species or that history shows it will lead to bad things, because there is very little evidence and not agreement that those things are true. Feel free to teach your kids that you find it morally wrong. I can't argue with that, morals are up to the person. Feel free to teach them that it's religiously wrong. Your religion is your own. My only limitation (that I urge people to place on themselves) is to not teach that your morals are backed by biological facts. Because those facts don't exist.

And before it's said, yes, it's also true that biology also has no proof that homosexuality is beneficial to a species.

And my only point is... EVEN IN CANADA... I recognize the practice of religion as a freedom we are ALL (everywhere in the world) are born with and it's none of your, or any government's, business what I do or teach my kids in my home.

This sort of intrusiveness, and any agreement to it, is what grants governments the power to distribute liberties as they see fit. If you don't see this as inherently wrong, as an American, then I don’t know how you wake up every morning in such a terrible country.
Would you have any issues with these topics being taught as long as it's homeschooling

Blacks are all thugs
Mexicans are all lazy
Jews are all moneygrubbers
Polish / Blondes are all stupid
Gypsies are all thieves
Governments are all evil
Aliens are taking over Roswell

Would you have any issues with these topics being taught as long as it's homeschooling

Blacks are all thugs - yes
Mexicans are all lazy - yes
Jews are all moneygrubbers - yes
Polish / Blondes are all stupid - yes (especially since my wife is blonde:killingme)
Gypsies are all thieves - yes
Governments are all evil - not really
Aliens are taking over Roswell - yes

Blacks are all thugs - yes
Mexicans are all lazy - yes
Jews are all moneygrubbers - yes
Polish / Blondes are all stupid - yes (especially since my wife is blonde:killingme)
Gypsies are all thieves - yes
Governments are all evil - not really
Aliens are taking over Roswell - yes

To expand on the though, other things I'd have a problem with:

White people hate minorities - yes
Christians are uneducated morons - yes
Catholics molest children - yes
Atheists hate religious people - yes

Would you have any issues with these topics being taught as long as it's homeschooling

Blacks are all thugs
Mexicans are all lazy
Jews are all moneygrubbers
Polish / Blondes are all stupid
Gypsies are all thieves
Governments are all evil
Aliens are taking over Roswell

I have a problem with that kind of thinking; but I have a bigger problem with the government going into peoples' homes dictating to them how they teach their kids. As long as they are meeting the standards in the core subjects, what they decide to teach their kids outside of that is none of my business. That IS the purpose of homeschooling; so parents can control their kids' education. They can indoctrinate their kids the way THEY see fit and not have to worry about some progressive teacher teaching them how to be good little protesters or state-sponsored bigotry against Christians.

I have a problem with that kind of thinking; but I have a bigger problem with the government going into peoples' homes dictating to them how they teach their kids. As long as they are meeting the standards in the core subjects, what they decide to teach their kids outside of that is none of my business. That IS the purpose of homeschooling; so parents can control their kids' education. They can indoctrinate their kids the way THEY see fit and not have to worry about some progressive teacher teaching them how to be good little protesters or state-sponsored bigotry against Christians.
Good answer, doesn't judge the morality of the topic just treats them all the same.

Good answer, doesn't judge the morality of the topic just treats them all the same.

Most people that home school are Christians. If they are teaching any sort of hatred toward any group, even if they do disagree with them, I would question their faith. This runs contrary to what we are taught as Christians. I would never teach my kid to have any sort of animosity towards gays (for instance). As much as I might disagree with their lifestyle they still deserve to be loved. I would teach them that it’s a lifestyle that God disagrees with, and that nature (aside from God) dictated otherwise.

That is MY belief and I am entitled to it, and no person or government should be allowed to dictate otherwise.

Most people that home school are Christians. If they are teaching any sort of hatred toward any group, even if they do disagree with them, I would question their faith. This runs contrary to what we are taught as Christians. I would never teach my kid to have any sort of animosity towards gays (for instance). As much as I might disagree with their lifestyle they still deserve to be loved. I would teach them that it’s a lifestyle that God disagrees with, and that nature (aside from God) dictated otherwise.

That is MY belief and I am entitled to it, and no person or government should be allowed to dictate otherwise.
Then there's the Phelps clan.

Then there's the Phelps clan.

as much as I disagree with those people, they are very careful not to break any laws...

I wish they'd just go away, but nobody should be able to make them.

Then there's the Phelps clan.

They had their 15 minutes.

Catholic school is different, parents sign their kids up knowing that religion is part of what will be taught.

The Catholic view of homosexuality is a weird on to me. They don't say homosexuality is a sin in it's self, only homosexual sex. Basically the view of the Catholic Church seems to be: "You can be gay, just don't have sex"

source (http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality)

Ding! And home school is different. Parents know and, for a large part, control the course of study. In Maryland, if you home school under a Christian umbrella school, the local school system has no say in the curriculum. You only have to satisfy the requirements of the umbrella school which must satisfy the requirements of the state of Maryland.

see my response about how I don't care what you teach your kids, just don't make it look like that is the general view of science. Also, I'm wondering who you mean by "you all".

And if I try to regulate your ability or right to teach your kids that homosexuality is a normal human condition, you ok with that too?
Is it alright for me to dictate how you present YOUR views to YOUR children?

Because, regardless of what I think about the act of homosexuality, it either has to be a choice, or a genetic fault, or abnormality.
and, as I have stated so many times to the ire of others, if it is an abnormality, does science have an obligation to try and find it and see if it could be corrected? Even if that correction is an option for a homosexual to choose or not to choose.

Then there's the Phelps clan.

Dont make the mistake of thinking that the Phelps clan is really a christian family. They are not. They are vile people that have discovered that they can make millions if someone touches them, or restricts their right to make public asses out of themselves.

They are in it for the money, and the hot topic of their choice is homosexuality.
Not for one moment do I believe that they believe the crap they spew.

Nope. They can't do it. It's called Freedom of Religion. You can teach your children your religious beliefs. If that ever happens, we'll have the next civil war.You know that. They know it too. The homosexual activists are content to wittle away slowly at the moral fabric of the nation.

Then there's the Phelps clan.

The Phelp's are lawyers who bank of provoking people to violence so they can sue them for money. That's their real scheme.

Dont make the mistake of thinking that the Phelps clan is really a christian family. They are not. They are vile people that have discovered that they can make millions if someone touches them, or restricts their right to make public asses out of themselves.

They are in it for the money, and the hot topic of their choice is homosexuality.
Not for one moment do I believe that they believe the crap they spew.
Why not? they claim to be christian, have the right books and seem to know the right names. What makes you a christian and them not?

Why not? they claim to be christian, have the right books and seem to know the right names. What makes you a christian and them not?

If the requirement to ask exists, then it clearly tells me where you might fall on the Christianity scale.

If the requirement to ask exists, then it clearly tells me where you might fall on the Christianity scale.
I've told you and others many times, I'm not on that particular scale.

I've told you and others many times, I'm not on that particular scale.

Well, Merlin 99, if you aren't on that "particular scale" then how do you expect to really "weigh in" or "measure up" to an intelligent discussion on the matters at hand?

Well, Merlin 99, if you aren't on that "particular scale" then how do you expect to really "weigh in" or "measure up" to an intelligent discussion on the matters at hand?

Apparently I can do a better job of intelligently discussing the issue than some overly religious bigot like yourself.

Apparently I can do a better job of intelligently discussing the issue than some overly religious bigot like yourself.

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Why not? they claim to be christian, have the right books and seem to know the right names. What makes you a christian and them not?

Merlin, if you were thoroughly studied in the theological differences between the various religious denominations that claim to be "Christian, then you would really know the difference between those who claim to be Christian but are not and those who are Christian based on The New Testament Scriptures which are the Standard for becoming a True Christian!

Merlin, do you know what the following denominations teach about the Jesus they believe in and how these teachings compare to the True New Testament Jesus?

1.) The Jesus of Roman Catholicism;

2.) The Jesus of Jehovah's Witnesses;

3.) The Jesus of Mormonism;

4.) The Jesus of Islam (Isa')

5.) The Jesus of the Sun Myung Moon Unification Church (Moonies)

They all teach another gospel and another Jesus - all different from each other and all totally different than The New Testament Jesus.

If you are prepared to share your knowledge of these then I would say you would be able to engage in an intelligent discussion and able to give us your thought on who you believe follows the True Jesus.

Remember: There Can Only Be One Truth and Only One True Jesus.

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Merlin, if you were thoroughly studied in the theological differences between the various religious denominations that claim to be "Christian, then you would really know the difference between those who claim to be Christian but are not and those who are Christian based on The New Testament Scriptures which are the Standard for becoming a True Christian!

Merlin, do you know what the following denominations teach about the Jesus they believe in and how these teachings compare to the True New Testament Jesus?

1.) The Jesus of Roman Catholicism;

2.) The Jesus of Jehovah's Witnesses;

3.) The Jesus of Mormonism;

4.) The Jesus of Islam (Isa')

5.) The Jesus of the Sun Myung Moon Unification Church (Moonies)

They all teach another gospel and another Jesus - all different from each other and all totally different than The New Testament Jesus.

If you are prepared to share your knowledge of these then I would say you would be able to engage in an intelligent discussion and able to give us your thought on who you believe follows the True Jesus.

Remember: There Can Only Be One Truth and Only One True Jesus.
I know a bit about all of them, and most of them are accepted forms of Christianity, that they don't follow your particular tenets means nothing.

I know a bit about all of them, and most of them are accepted forms of Christianity, that they don't follow your particular tenets means nothing.

It means everything Merlin!

If all the denominations mentioned disagree with each other on who "Jesus" is and they collectively are all not even in agreement with The New Testament teachings of the Real Jesus, then how can they be an accepted form of Christianity when there can only be One Truth about who The Real Christ is?

Just as there are counterfeit diamonds that look, feel and sparkle like a real one doesn't mean that it is a real diamond. A person who buys one of the fakes because the seller gave them a good deal and told them it was real would certainly get a big surprise when they find out it is has no real value!

Same goes for counterfeit currency. A fake hundred-dollar bill may look like the genuine article to you in payment but you'll quickly find out that is worthless when you try to spend it.

That's the way it is with True Christianity. There are false teachings that sound similar to the Real Deal but their sparkling, good sounding teaching is preaching a "counterfeit Jesus".

IOW: They are teaching another gospel and another Jesus and not the One of The New Testament accounts. It will make a difference in the end.

It means everything Merlin!

If all the denominations mentioned disagree with each other on who "Jesus" is and they collectively are all not even in agreement with The New Testament teachings of the Real Jesus, then how can they be an accepted form of Christianity when there can only be One Truth about who The Real Christ is?

Just as there are counterfeit diamonds that look, feel and sparkle like a real one doesn't mean that it is a real diamond. A person who buys one of the fakes because the seller gave them a good deal and told them it was real would certainly get a big surprise when they find out it is has no real value!

Same goes for counterfeit currency. A fake hundred-dollar bill may look like the genuine article to you in payment but you'll quickly find out that is worthless when you try to spend it.

That's the way it is with True Christianity. There are false teachings that sound similar to the Real Deal but their sparkling, good sounding teaching is preaching a "counterfeit Jesus".

IOW: They are teaching another gospel and another Jesus and not the One of The New Testament accounts. It will make a difference in the end.

Ok I'm going to make an assumption from your remarks that only one group is really "Christian" and it's unlikely that you picked the right one, therefore you are not Christian.