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Pete
04-05-2012, 09:28 AM
As it seems the grotesque amount of taxes collected by the state of Maryland every hour of every day are not enough. There is a huge budget shortfall they are eying increasing fees, taxes and anything else they can. One of those revenue generators is pitting us against the man in the form of traffic.

I recently had to run up to the Eastern shore and back twice in a matter of a few days. On both occasions there were MTA cops by the dozens working both sides of the Bay Bridge. They had to be earning Uncle Martin at least $5K an hour given what fines are up to these days. Now I am all for traffic enforcement of dangerous people but really? There are places where you have the posted speed limit, and the real speed limit. From where RT2 enters 301 to the toll plaza the real speed limit is about 75. Everyday for eons people run 75 in packs in this stretch. The MTA cops are out picking them off because they are near the rear of a pack of 20 cars going 75.

the purpose is not traffic enforcement, it is not public safety, it is revenue generation pure and simple. 6 cops on either side of the BB can write 6 or 7 $300 speeding tickets per hour 24/7. Legal sure, they are exceeding the 55mph speed limit. It just irks me that cops have become the henchmen for the man, the tax collector rolling through Sherwood.

bohman
04-05-2012, 09:44 AM
Have you forgotten that everything is done for our safety, to protect us from ourselves? How dare you insinuate that law enforcement is used for anything other than public safety.

As for that particular revenue generation location - that's nothing new. I've been making the trip over the bridge about 3 or 4 times a year for 15 years now to northern MD, and that is the ONLY stretch of road during the 3 hour trip that I don't maintain at least 10mph over the limit. If you get a ticket near the bridge, it's because it's your first time on that road, or you are an idiot. I don't think I've ever gone through Kent Island without seeing multiple troopers.

Matter of fact, enforcement is so intense on the bridge that it has it's own dedicated patrol. I once called 911 to report a drunk on the bridge doing at least 85. As soon as I reported location, the operator transferred me directly to a dispatcher for the cops on the bridge.

kwillia
04-05-2012, 09:58 AM
I saw the same thing this past weekend with my trip to and back from Frederick, MD. I have a clean driving record and tend to obey speed limits, but on the beltway and on 270 if I let me speed drop below 65 I feel I'm in danger and you are correct in saying that the average speed was 75. There were troopers all along the way picking folks off.

huntr1
04-05-2012, 10:06 AM
As it seems the grotesque amount of taxes collected by the state of Maryland every hour of every day are not enough. There is a huge budget shortfall they are eying increasing fees, taxes and anything else they can. One of those revenue generators is pitting us against the man in the form of traffic.

I recently had to run up to the Eastern shore and back twice in a matter of a few days. On both occasions there were MTA cops by the dozens working both sides of the Bay Bridge. They had to be earning Uncle Martin at least $5K an hour given what fines are up to these days. Now I am all for traffic enforcement of dangerous people but really? There are places where you have the posted speed limit, and the real speed limit. From where RT2 enters 301 to the toll plaza the real speed limit is about 75. Everyday for eons people run 75 in packs in this stretch. The MTA cops are out picking them off because they are near the rear of a pack of 20 cars going 75.

the purpose is not traffic enforcement, it is not public safety, it is revenue generation pure and simple. 6 cops on either side of the BB can write 6 or 7 $300 speeding tickets per hour 24/7. Legal sure, they are exceeding the 55mph speed limit. It just irks me that cops have become the henchmen for the man, the tax collector rolling through Sherwood.
I would like to know how far from thr toll facility the Maryland Transportation Authority Police are allowed to operate.

vraiblonde
04-05-2012, 10:18 AM
The majority apparently is in favor of this because they keep voting O'Malley and the Legislature into office. They also enjoy high taxes on everything from gas to cigarettes to water.

So my fervent prayer is that everyone who voted for these people gets pulled over and ticketed astronomically. Perhaps thrown in jail. I, on the other hand, will happily do the speed limit and not one mph more - I pay enough in taxes already.

CrashTest
04-05-2012, 12:34 PM
The majority apparently is in favor of this because they keep voting O'Malley and the Legislature into office.

The people voting for O'Malley ride Metro buses.

seeamovie
04-05-2012, 12:57 PM
The people voting for O'Malley ride Metro buses.

I voted for O'Malley and drive a 2010 Lincoln Cross Over. Last time I checked, a ticket for going 75 in a 55 was not $300.00.

More disinformation by the conservative elite!

Gilligan
04-05-2012, 01:08 PM
IMore disinformation by the conservative elite!

:killingme:killingme Now that is funny.

CrashTest
04-05-2012, 01:08 PM
I voted for O'Malley and drive a 2010 Lincoln Cross Over. Last time I checked, a ticket for going 75 in a 55 was not $300.00.

More disinformation by the conservative elite!

My statement never said EVERY O'Malley voter rides a Metro bus. Another case of liberal elite ignoring the facts and details.

Chris0nllyn
04-05-2012, 02:35 PM
Don't limit it to just traffic stops leading to speeding tickets.

They also rake in the dough from simple traffic stops where the officer says "I smell pot, mind if I search your car"?

seeamovie
04-05-2012, 02:38 PM
My statement never said EVERY O'Malley voter rides a Metro bus. Another case of liberal elite ignoring the facts and details.

The fact is you said "the people" not some people, not a portion of the people, but the people. If I said the people who didn't vote for O'Malley are idiots you would have identified with that statement!

thurley42
04-05-2012, 02:55 PM
The fact is you said "the people" not some people, not a portion of the people, but the people. If I said the people who didn't vote for O'Malley are idiots you would have identified with that statement!

I think we recognized who the idiots were when they said they voted for O'Malley...:buddies:

Jbeckman
04-05-2012, 09:00 PM
I would like to know how far from thr toll facility the Maryland Transportation Authority Police are allowed to operate.

MDTA police are State Police with statewide authority

direxpgw
04-06-2012, 07:29 AM
I voted for O'Malley and drive a 2010 Lincoln Cross Over. Last time I checked, a ticket for going 75 in a 55 was not $300.00.

More disinformation by the conservative elite!



The ticket may only be $75 or so but when your insurance is made aware of it, it quite possibly could raise your rates enough to make up or significantly exceed the $300 depending on the vehicles on your policy. O'Malley and the dems in Maryland are so far out of control with spending and taxing youll see more of this as time goes on. Dont be surprised if the ticket costs are doubled soon. I mean hell,....they allready doubled the tolls and MVA costs for near everything, sales tax, etc. And dont know where to quit. Its spending thats spiraling and they have zero fortitude to do anything about it.

Lurk
04-06-2012, 08:55 AM
Nothing you own or earn is yours, it's MOM's. Get used to it. In 2016 he aspires to the White House. The name Nicolae Carpathia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Left_Behind_characters#Nicolae_Carpathia) comes to mind.

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 09:53 AM
I voted for O'Malley and drive a 2010 Lincoln Cross Over. Last time I checked, a ticket for going 75 in a 55 was not $300.00.

More disinformation by the conservative elite!

Do you pay for the gas in your Lincoln with food stamps and welfare money. Yep you sound like the typically Omally supporter. You always have a nice new car but live in a shack.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 11:45 AM
Do you pay for the gas in your Lincoln with food stamps and welfare money. Yep you sound like the typically Omally supporter. You always have a nice new car but live in a shack.

Nice try but you are wrong. I live in a house we purchased six years ago for 575k. The only bill I have is my motgage. I usually pay for my gas with a credit card and then pay that card off at the end of each month. I am an O'Malley supporter because I share his values. I think those who are more fortunate should give back to those who aren't.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 11:48 AM
The ticket may only be $75 or so but when your insurance is made aware of it, it quite possibly could raise your rates enough to make up or significantly exceed the $300 depending on the vehicles on your policy. O'Malley and the dems in Maryland are so far out of control with spending and taxing youll see more of this as time goes on. Dont be surprised if the ticket costs are doubled soon. I mean hell,....they allready doubled the tolls and MVA costs for near everything, sales tax, etc. And dont know where to quit. Its spending thats spiraling and they have zero fortitude to do anything about it.

Insurance rates do not increase until you accumulate more than three points. A free society is not exactly free. Move if you don't like it. We are here to stay.

Gilligan
04-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Insurance rates do not increase until you accumulate more than three points. A free society is not exactly free. Move if you don't like it. We are here to stay.

So you are a supporter of O'Malley's wild and crazy spending sprees?

That is interesting; I tend to get aggravated when I see so much of my money confiscated only to be wasted on so many things that do not benefit me or anyone I know one tiny iota.

But maybe that's just me.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 12:06 PM
So you are a supporter of O'Malley's wild and crazy spending sprees?

That is interesting; I tend to get aggravated when I see so much of my money confiscated only to be wasted on so many things that do not benefit me or anyone I know one tiny iota.

But maybe that's just me.

I don't agree with every single thing he does, but I agree with most.

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 01:00 PM
Nice try but you are wrong. I live in a house we purchased six years ago for 575k. The only bill I have is my motgage. I usually pay for my gas with a credit card and then pay that card off at the end of each month. I am an O'Malley supporter because I share his values. I think those who are more fortunate should give back to those who aren't.

How close to foreclosure are you? There are a couple dummies like you on my street that are killing my homes value.

Giving back to those who are lazy(less fortunate) should be an option. Its my money and it should be my choice If I have to give it to some woman with 5 kids who doesn't want to work.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 01:43 PM
How close to foreclosure are you? There are a couple dummies like you on my street that are killing my homes value.

Giving back to those who are lazy(less fortunate) should be an option. Its my money and it should be my choice If I have to give it to some woman with 5 kids who doesn't want to work.
I just recently went back to work. I don't have any children and I don't have to work as my husband is retired and on his second career. I have never been late or defaulted on any debt.

You seem to be projecting your shortcomings on me. You should have made better choices and maybe you wouldn't be so angry.

If you don't like helping your fellow Americans maybe you should move someplace else.

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 02:06 PM
If you don't like helping your fellow Americans maybe you should move someplace else.

No thats were you are wrong. I feel absolutely no obligation to financially support others.

I do support groups that I feel help America. For example I am a Lifetime NRA and an Executive MSI member. I donate my money and time were I see fit. I should not have to spend my money on entitlement programs or bailing out idiots.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 02:16 PM
No thats were you are wrong. I feel absolutely no obligation to financially support others.

I do support groups that I feel help America. For example I am a Lifetime NRA and an Executive MSI member. I donate my money and time were I see fit. I should not have to spend my money on entitlement programs or bailing out idiots.

And yet you still give money to the NRA.

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 02:22 PM
And yet you still give money to the NRA.

Its better than giving my money to support someone on section 8 or welfare.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 02:24 PM
Its better than giving my money to support someone on section 8 or welfare.
So you think there are no NRA members on section 8 or welfare? Makes sense for an elitist!

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 02:28 PM
So you think there are no NRA members on section 8 or welfare?

I am sure there are some NRA members on welfare. I could care less about them. I only support the overall goal of the organization.

Toxick
04-06-2012, 02:35 PM
As it seems the grotesque amount of taxes collected by the state of Maryland every hour of every day are not enough. There is a huge budget shortfall they are eying increasing fees, taxes and anything else they can. One of those revenue generators is pitting us against the man in the form of traffic.



It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out why either.


Part the First: Maryland has created an environment that's pretty hostile to business. If I remember correctly, a few years back, there was a mass exodus of millionaires leaving this state.

Part the Second: Maryland has created a culture of entitlement where people are rewarded with money for smoking the pot and shooting out babies.



Frankly, I'm amazed the people in this state aren't eating each other yet.

vraiblonde
04-06-2012, 02:40 PM
If you don't like helping your fellow Americans maybe you should move someplace else.

And if you think everyone's hard earned money should be thrown into a pot and given to people who sit around on their ass all day, maybe YOU should move someplace else. I hear Cuba's nice this time of year.

Gilligan
04-06-2012, 02:40 PM
Part the First: Maryland has created an environment that's pretty hostile to business. If I remember correctly, a few years back, there was a mass exodus of millionaires leaving this state.

yet.

And more are leaving now..or soon. Most business owners are not so stupid as to just 'hang around and hope it changes for the better'. Hope is never a 'business plan'.

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 02:44 PM
And more are leaving now..or soon.

Yep, when I retire Maryland will be nothing more than a distant memory.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 02:45 PM
And if you think everyone's hard earned money should be thrown into a pot and given to people who sit around on their ass all day, maybe YOU should move someplace else. I hear Cuba's nice this time of year.

But I'm happy with the way things are. I'm not complaining. My government is in charge.

Toxick
04-06-2012, 02:46 PM
If you don't like helping your fellow Americans maybe you should move someplace else.


Where in the blue hell is it written that I am obliged to help my fellow Americans... or anyone else for that matter?

I have my own family I'm trying to help, and I care about them a #### of a lot more than I do about the useless debris I'm forced to "help". I don't appreciate being butt####ed and robbed every payday, on top of the daily butt####ing and highway robbery I'm forced to deal with.


That said, I don't mind HELPing my fellow Americans from time to time. Everyone stumbles along the way, and we all could use a hand up when we do.

I do mind supporting them and their godless sproggin, however. I mind that big time.

Gilligan
04-06-2012, 02:58 PM
Yep, when I retire Maryland will be nothing more than a distant memory.

I'm not waiting that long. My company is reasonably 'portable' and when youngest son is out of HS in a couple years, I'm outa here.

In fact, that is the only way I'll be able to retire; take the company out of MD and operate it much more profitably thereafter for a few more years.

Chris0nllyn
04-06-2012, 03:00 PM
If you don't like helping your fellow Americans maybe you should move someplace else.

Annnnddddd THERE is the problem...

No one in America is ENTITLED to anything. No one is ENTITLED to a home, or cell phone, or car, etc. You must WORK for what you want in life.

I (and many others) bust my ass at work, to pay taxes. That tax money gets thrown around like it's nothing. I just don't understand how you can support someone who has done nothing but cater to the "less fortunate" and tax, tax, tax.

What good has come to southern MD from Owe'Malley?

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 03:06 PM
Annnnddddd THERE is the problem...

No one in America is ENTITLED to anything. No one is ENTITLED to a home, or cell phone, or car, etc. You must WORK for what you want in life.

I (and many others) bust my ass at work, to pay taxes. That tax money gets thrown around like it's nothing. I just don't understand how you can support someone who has done nothing but cater to the "less fortunate" and tax, tax, tax.

What good has come to southern MD from Owe'Malley?

We have a new judge!

Chris0nllyn
04-06-2012, 03:15 PM
We have a new judge!

How's the system been working out so far?

direxpgw
04-06-2012, 03:16 PM
Insurance rates do not increase until you accumulate more than three points. A free society is not exactly free. Move if you don't like it. We are here to stay.


All insurance companies are different. If they dont raise yours then I guess youre lucky.

People like you constantly amaze me. You are correct that a free society is not free. However, a little bit of budgetary constraint is not only necessary, it is the prudent and responsible thing to do. If you believe the O'malley administration meets these criteria, then you are truly in serious denial. You seem to believe that everyone should simply bend over and take what this government is trying to shove down their throats and just be happy with it. The sad truth is that a democracy is not what its hyped up to be when every person gets a vote that has no stake in the game. In Maryland, its been PG county and baltimore city who rule the rest of the state when in porportion they pay the least in taxes. Its disgusting. Sooner or later that kind of oppression will not continue to function and Im afraid this country is on that path.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 03:19 PM
All insurance companies are different. If they dont raise yours then I guess youre lucky.

People like you constantly amaze me. You are correct that a free society is not free. However, a little bit of budgetary constraint is not only necessary, it is the prudent and responsible thing to do. If you believe the O'malley administration meets these criteria, then you are truly in serious denial. You seem to believe that everyone should simply bend over and take what this government is trying to shove down their throats and just be happy with it. The sad truth is that a democracy is not what its hyped up to be when every person gets a vote that has no stake in the game. In Maryland, its been PG county and baltimore city who rule the rest of the state when in porportion they pay the least in taxes. Its disgusting. Sooner or later that kind of oppression will not continue to function and Im afraid this country is on that path.

The information I provided earlier came from the insurance commission which regulates what insurance companies can and can not do. While they may be different, before they can raise your rates they have to abide by the rules.

seeamovie
04-06-2012, 03:20 PM
How's the system been working out so far?

Fine! He won the democratic primary and like Congressman Hoyer and President Obama, will win in November.

direxpgw
04-06-2012, 03:22 PM
But I'm happy with the way things are. I'm not complaining. My government is in charge.

You are the perfect citizen for the state to deal with. The proverbial sheep being led to slaughter. Everything is peachy and everyone is equal. It would really benefit you to move to another country for a short time frame and see what life is like outside Pleasantville. Or better yet, I think you should contribute 90% of your income to the state general fund as a donation. As far as even thinking that the rest of us should continue feeding the beast, I can only say #$%^& off!

bcp
04-06-2012, 03:24 PM
The majority apparently is in favor of this because they keep voting O'Malley and the Legislature into office. They also enjoy high taxes on everything from gas to cigarettes to water.

So my fervent prayer is that everyone who voted for these people gets pulled over and ticketed astronomically. Perhaps thrown in jail. I, on the other hand, will happily do the speed limit and not one mph more - I pay enough in taxes already.

This does not always work.
If you are coming off of rt 50 onto 424, be careful,
1) when you exit 50, you do not have a speed sign for a few miles after you get onto 424 from 50, so if you dont know that the speed is 45, its pretty easy to assume higher given the 4 lane nature of the road at that point.
2) you are leaving a highway at 65mph, its not uncommon to hit the end of the ramp at 50 or above.

Last Friday I came off of 50, onto 424, Now, as we all know, I like to piss people off with the speed limit. Its just plain fun.

I come off the ramp onto the 45mph area, Im doing 47 according to my GPS. (more accurate than my speedometer)
As I pull off the ramp, there are two police pointing at cars and pulling them to the side. One officer walks out in front of me and pulls me.
remember, my gps was reading 47, my speedometer was right on 45 with the Cruise Control on.
Officer walks up to the window, and without them running radar or any other form of verification he says, I pulled you because you were doing 50 to 55 in a 45, Before I had the chance to start arguing the point he said he was just going to give a warning... Then asked for my license and registration.
He comes back in a bit with the two of them, and a warning for exceeding the limit, yet there was no speed listed for what I was doing.
This was pretty much just a way for them to pull and check people for outstanding warrants, registration issues etc...
I dont have a problem with that at all.

Chris0nllyn
04-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Fine! He won the democratic primary and like Congressman Hoyer and President Obama, will win in November.

I wasn't how the system is working for the people in power. I was asking how it's working out for the people...

itsrequired
04-06-2012, 03:41 PM
The information I provided earlier came from the insurance commission which regulates what insurance companies can and can not do. While they may be different, before they can raise your rates they have to abide by the rules.

If your research is anything like your research on the Harry Morgan case, i'd say it's lacking. Google searches only give you the most recent information which may not be the correct information. Anybody can write anything in a blog.

MrZ06
04-06-2012, 03:55 PM
Fine! He won the democratic primary and like Congressman Hoyer and President Obama, will win in November.

He won because all of the lazy people in PG and Montgomery county voted him in because he keeps giving them free stuff.

direxpgw
04-06-2012, 06:20 PM
He won because all of the lazy people in PG and Montgomery county voted him in because he keeps giving them free stuff.

While simplistic, this is basically true. Put 10 people in a room. 8 make $50k a year. 2 make $150k a year. Vote comes to the floor. Here ye, here ye....all individuals making in excess of $75k a year must pay 90% in taxes. Those making less than $75k pay nothing. Guess what.....the vote is 8 to 2. Majority rules. And even worse this gets twisted into..."The will of the American people have spoken. And in an overwhelming 80% margin, this bill is passed. Now the rest of us can prosper and not be oppressed and discriminated against. Those evil wealthy people will now finally pay their fair share". UFB. You really can only legislate economics and math for so long. Congress can unaminously vote that 2+2 now equals 3, but it aint happening.

BOP
04-07-2012, 07:15 AM
Nice try but you are wrong. I live in a house we purchased six years ago for 575k. The only bill I have is my motgage. I usually pay for my gas with a credit card and then pay that card off at the end of each month. I am an O'Malley supporter because I share his values. I think those who are more fortunate should be forced to give back to those who aren't.

That's better; more truthful.

BOP
04-07-2012, 07:18 AM
I just recently went back to work. I don't have any children and I don't have to work as my husband is retired and on his second career. I have never been late or defaulted on any debt.

You seem to be projecting your shortcomings on me. You should have made better choices and maybe you wouldn't be so angry.

If you don't like being forced to help your fellow Americans maybe you should move someplace else while you can still afford to do so.

Not that there's any place else to go that hasn't gone socialist, but you can dream.


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