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Rev. Wright spews: “white supremacy” driving “world policy,” Allah and Yahweh are the same god
by Joel McDurmon on Apr 10, 2012


You remember the not-so-reverend Rev. Jeremiah “God d*** America!” Wright, right? Well, he’s back:

The Blaze reports,
Last week, Wright spoke at Metropolitan Baptist Church in Charleston, West Virginia, as part of a week-long revival event. His controversial words took aim at Thomas Jefferson, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, the media and plenty of other targets. . . .
He also made an intriguing comparison about the God of the Hebrew Bible and the Lord depicted in the Quran.
“The god of racists is not the God of righteousness. The god of the greedy is not the God of grace. The god of Wall Street is not the God of Main Street,” Wright proclaimed. “Those are two different gods and I ain’t talking about Allah and Yahweh. Those are the same names for the same God.” . . .

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Are they? Really?

Let's see here...

1.) Islam's "Allah" never spoke directly to Muhammad; the messages were transmitted by an "angel" that he met in a cave;

2.) Islam's Allah commanded the angels to bow down to Adam;

3.) Islam's Allah gave men permission to beat their wives for being disobedient;

4.) Islam's Allah allowed Muhammad to marry as many wives as he wanted while Muslim men can marry up to four at a time;

5.) Islam’s Allah appointed Muhammad to be the last and final prophet of mankind;

6.) Islam’s Allah made the world exclusively for Muhammad and Muslims;

7.) Islam's Allah commanded Muhammad to have Muslims fight until the whole world became Muslim;

8.) Islam's Allah allows Muslims who fight in battle to take the enemy's women and children as slaves;

9.) Islam's Allah promised a paradise of wide eyed voluptuous women for the "righteous" Muslim who is martyrd for the cause of Islam;

10.) Islam's Allah created seven levels of Heaven and seven levels of Hell;


Islam's Allah and the Hebrew God, Yahweh, are NOT the same God.

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Rev. Wright spews: “white supremacy” driving “world policy,” Allah and Yahweh are the same god
by Joel McDurmon on Apr 10, 2012



Are they? Really?

Let's see here...

1.) Islam's "Allah" never spoke directly to Muhammad; the messages were transmitted by an "angel" that he met in a cave;

2.) Islam's Allah commanded the angels to bow down to Adam;

3.) Islam's Allah gave men permission to beat their wives for being disobedient;

4.) Islam's Allah allowed Muhammad to marry as many wives as he wanted while Muslim men can marry up to four at a time;

5.) Islam’s Allah appointed Muhammad to be the last and final prophet of mankind;

6.) Islam’s Allah made the world exclusively for Muhammad and Muslims;

7.) Islam's Allah commanded Muhammad to have Muslims fight until the whole world became Muslim;

8.) Islam's Allah allows Muslims who fight in battle to take the enemy's women and children as slaves;

9.) Islam's Allah promised a paradise of wide eyed voluptuous women for the "righteous" Muslim who is martyrd for the cause of Islam;

10.) Islam's Allah created seven levels of Heaven and seven levels of Hell;


Islam's Allah and the Hebrew God, Yahweh, are NOT the same God.

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Agree...

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Rev. Wright spews: “white supremacy” driving “world policy,” Allah and Yahweh are the same god
by Joel McDurmon on Apr 10, 2012



Are they? Really?

Let's see here...

1.) Islam's "Allah" never spoke directly to Muhammad; the messages were transmitted by an "angel" that he met in a cave;

2.) Islam's Allah commanded the angels to bow down to Adam;

3.) Islam's Allah gave men permission to beat their wives for being disobedient;

4.) Islam's Allah allowed Muhammad to marry as many wives as he wanted while Muslim men can marry up to four at a time;

5.) Islam’s Allah appointed Muhammad to be the last and final prophet of mankind;

6.) Islam’s Allah made the world exclusively for Muhammad and Muslims;

7.) Islam's Allah commanded Muhammad to have Muslims fight until the whole world became Muslim;

8.) Islam's Allah allows Muslims who fight in battle to take the enemy's women and children as slaves;

9.) Islam's Allah promised a paradise of wide eyed voluptuous women for the "righteous" Muslim who is martyrd for the cause of Islam;

10.) Islam's Allah created seven levels of Heaven and seven levels of Hell;


Islam's Allah and the Hebrew God, Yahweh, are NOT the same God.

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Quick outsiders view on this:

Since I know you're not implying that there are actually multiple gods one is left to assume you're saying that allah would be a false god (as I'm sure you know I agree with you on that, we differ on the view of christian god). However if a god were to exist (I'll pretend we agree on that for a moment) would it be fair to say that allah could be a misinterpretation of of the jewish/christian god? (again, not saying that's true, just asking a question)

Also, while white supremacy (and any other kind of supremacy someone can dream up) exists in the world it clearly doesn't rule the world (or "drive world policy") as stated.

Quick outsiders view on this:

Since I know you're not implying that there are actually multiple gods one is left to assume you're saying that allah would be a false god (as I'm sure you know I agree with you on that, we differ on the view of christian god). However if a god were to exist (I'll pretend we agree on that for a moment) would it be fair to say that allah could be a misinterpretation of of the jewish/christian god? (again, not saying that's true, just asking a question)

Good question.

Yes, Allah would be (is) a false god. Actually, the Islamic Allah originates from the pagan moon-god, Hubal, of the Quraysh tribe of which Muhammad belonged.

First, there is a deliberate skew in Muhammad's theology that indoctrinates Muslims to believe that the Islamic "Allah" is the "one, true, god" by claiming that the Jews and Christians are in complete error.

In an effort to establish and create a "monotheistic religion" for Arabs, Muhammad's "revelations" did a complete "make-over" of the Biblical God, Yahweh. The list of differences in my post are only a fraction of the inconsistences and reasons why the islamic Allah is NOT Yahweh at all.
Also, in comparison, Islam claims that Jesus was not The Son of God, as believed by Christianity, and Islam claims that Jesus was really not crucified, as believed by Christianity. All the Biblical Prophets and Patriarchs are "Muslims" according to Muhammad and in the end of days, the Islamic Jesus "Isa" will condemn Christians for claiming Jesus was God's Son.

All of the "revelations" and teachings from the Qur'an were taught to Muhammad over a 23 year period by an "angelic spirit-guide being" that he encountered in the hijra cave near Mecca in the year 610. Muhammad claimed that this angelic being was the archangel, Gabriel (Jibreel) and that it is the Islamic "holy ghost".

Since then, it has been incumbent upon all Muslims to not question any of the teachings but to follow Muhammad's examples and to cleanse this world of all non-Muslims.



Also, while white supremacy (and any other kind of supremacy someone can dream up) exists in the world it clearly doesn't rule the world (or "drive world policy") as stated.

But, but...that's what Obama's former pastor claims! :whistle:

Good question.

Yes, Allah would be (is) a false god. Actually, the Islamic Allah originates from the pagan moon-god, Hubal, of the Quraysh tribe of which Muhammad belonged.

First, there is a deliberate skew in Muhammad's theology that indoctrinates Muslims to believe that the Islamic "Allah" is the "one, true, god" by claiming that the Jews and Christians are in complete error.

In an effort to establish and create a "monotheistic religion" for Arabs, Muhammad's "revelations" did a complete "make-over" of the Biblical God, Yahweh. The list of differences in my post are only a fraction of the inconsistences and reasons why the islamic Allah is NOT Yahweh at all.
Also, in comparison, Islam claims that Jesus was not The Son of God as claimed by Christianity, nor was Jesus really crucified. All the Biblical Prophets and Patriarchs are "Muslims" according to Muhammad and in the end of days, the Islamic Jesus "Isa" will condemn Christians for claiming Jesus was God's Son.

All of the "revelations" and teachings from the Qur'an were taught to Muhammad over a 23 year period by an "angelic spirit-guide being" that he encountered in the hijra cave near Mecca in the year 610. Muhammad claimed that this angelic being was the archangel, Gabriel (Jibreel) and that it is the Islamic "holy ghost".

Since then, it has been incumbent upon all Muslims to not question any of the teachings but to follow Muhammad's examples and to cleanse this world of all non-Muslims.


But...don't Christians also believe their god is the one true god?

Didn't Christians also incorporate pagan traditions into their religion?

And, while most Christians don't advocate the annihilation of non-Christians, there are those that do use violence against those they view as sinning against god (abortion clinic bombings come to mind). To be perfectly clear I'm not accusing anyone specifically of acting that way or condoning that behavior, just stating the fact that it does happen in the name of the christian god (no matter how skewed you think those peoples' views may be).

But...don't Christians also believe their god is the one true god?

Yes.


Didn't Christians also incorporate pagan traditions into their religion?

Roman Catholicism has. That is one of the reasons for the Protestant Reformation.


And, while most Christians don't advocate the annihilation of non-Christians, there are those that do use violence against those they view as sinning against god (abortion clinic bombings come to mind). To be perfectly clear I'm not accusing anyone specifically of acting that way or condoning that behavior, just stating the fact that it does happen in the name of the christian god (no matter how skewed you think those peoples' views may be).

Yes. There are those who react through flawed human emotions and spew out hateful vulgarities, commit crimes of vengeance and destruction and strike back in vindictive responses to those who they disagree with.

Those are NOT the reactions that a follower of Jesus Christ should ever, ever, engage in. One good example is when Jesus chastised Peter on several occasions for the manner of his personal conduct. One, in specific, is when Peter drew his sword and cut off the ear of one of the soldiers that came to arrest Jesus in the Garden at Gethsemene. Jesus told Peter to put away the sword because those who live by the sword die by the sword.

By contrast, Muhammad claims that the sword is the solution for Muslims when he stated that "paradise was found under the shades of swords".

The True New Testament Christian teachings advocate Love for God and Peace, Love and Harmony among mankind while the Quranic message advocates Submission to the Islamic Allah, War against non-Muslims, Hatred against Jews, Christians, Atheists, all Infidels and Destruction of non-Islamic societies.

Didn't Christians also incorporate pagan traditions into their religion?

Roman Catholicism has. That is one of the reasons for the Protestant Reformation.

Really? You're hatred blinds you to the obvious. :rolleyes:

Here's a clue...What McGinn is aluding to is MITHRAS, and that's a Christian issue both Catholic and Protestant.

Mithra the Pagan Christ | Mithraism and Christianity | Mithras the Sun God (http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm)
Mithra has the following in common with the Jesus character:

Mithra was born on December 25th of the virgin Anahita.
The babe was wrapped in swaddling clothes, placed in a manger and attended by shepherds.
He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
He had 12 companions or "disciples."
He performed miracles.
As the "great bull of the Sun," Mithra sacrificed himself for world peace.
He ascended to heaven.
Mithra was viewed as the Good Shepherd, the "Way, the Truth and the Light," the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah.
Mithra is omniscient, as he "hears all, sees all, knows all: none can deceive him."
He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb.
His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
His religion had a eucharist or "Lord's Supper."
Mithra "sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers."
Mithraism emphasized baptism.

If you, a Christian, think Muslims worship a false God then surely the Jews think you do. :lol:

Really? You're hatred blinds you to the obvious. :rolleyes:

Here's a clue...What McGinn is aluding to is MITHRAS, and that's a Christian issue both Catholic and Protestant.

Mithra the Pagan Christ | Mithraism and Christianity | Mithras the Sun God (http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm)


If you, a Christian, think Muslims worship a false God then surely the Jews think you do. :lol:



Does the RCC still believe in praying to a literal "Queen of Heaven" ??? Veneration of Icons??? "Spiritual half-way house for cleansing souls"??? ...
:whistle:

Does the RCC still believe in praying to a literal "Queen of Heaven" ??? Veneration of Icons??? "Spiritual half-way house for cleansing souls"??? ...
:whistle:

Did you drink some more "anti-Catholic" happy juice over Easter again?

Does the RCC still believe in praying to a literal "Queen of Heaven" ??? Veneration of Icons??? "Spiritual half-way house for cleansing souls"??? ...
:whistle:

How glaringly obvious that you dodged R1's questions! You are a joke.

How glaringly obvious that you dodged R1's questions! You are a joke.


What question? The one about Mithra?

I thought you guys had been taught that God's plan of Salvation of a sinless Saviour, born of a virgin and being The Son of God was already in place since the foundation of Creation.

You should know that paganism came into play after mankind had become disobedient to God and as led by misguided religious desires to have tangible icons to worship. Satan is the one who invented paganism in order to have mankind be distracted from giving reverence to the One True God of Creation. Satan is pleased to receive "stealth" worship any way he can get it - even through the people praying to false pagan gods. Satan is a counterfeiter; thus, no surprise that Satan was able to devise similar "saviours" for pagans to worship.

BTW: Speaking of dodging questions:


The topic of this thread:

(Regarding "Is Venerating Icons Idolatry?")


The Biblical Answer as previously cited from Exodus 20: YES!

libby, the RCC venerates statues of Jesus, Mary and the saints.

Do you?

You should know that paganism came into play after mankind had become disobedient to God and as led by misguided religious desires to have tangible icons to worship. Satan is the one who invented paganism in order to have mankind be distracted from giving reverence to the One True God of Creation.Faith is so awesome! :larry:

Faith is so awesome! :larry:

Yes, and misguided faith is deadly - eternally. :drummer:

I will not even try to contribute to this thread on religion because all of y'all truly know your stuff. But my problem is why is Wright (drop the Rev.) still in the news or a topic when he said "God DXXX, America". He should move to another country if that is how he feels. I know, it is all tied into Obama, which is very scary. Wright is not as important as he thinks he is, and at this point is still riding on Obama's coattails. I am sure Obama would like him to go away. Oh well, Obama, you are stuck with the radical lunatic! Wright is Obama's crown of thorns, but in no way comparable to what we, as Christians, know as the crown of thorns.

Yes, and misguided faith is deadly - eternally.:fireandbrimstone: :larry:

I will not even try to contribute to this thread on religion because all of y'all truly know your stuff. But my problem is why is Wright (drop the Rev.) still in the news or a topic when he said "God DXXX, America". He should move to another country if that is how he feels...

He's waiting for America's chickens that are coming home to roost!

:fireandbrimstone: :larry:

Salvation Tracts by Gospel Tract Society, Inc. (http://www.gospeltractsociety.org/salvation.asp)

He's waiting for America's chickens that are coming home to roost!

He will be waiting an eternity. No matter how bad it looks now with terrorism, war, Obama, Trayvon, etc., even the most uneducated know the sense of God and our Founding Fathers. There is still the audacity of hope. I believe, and not just at Easter and Christmas.

Edit: Now that I really think about it, who would sit in any church and listen to a pastor, reverand, father, whoever...take the Lord's name in vain? God DXXX, America!...sheesh...that tells you "wright" there.

The Rev Wrong is not someone to listen to. He's a black liberation theology preacher and nothing more. The Holy Spirit hasn't ever attended that church much, if at all. Only racist, uninformed fools would listen to him and...oh wait; Obama sat in his church for 20 years??? :evil:

Didn't Christians also incorporate pagan traditions into their religion?

Roman Catholicism has. That is one of the reasons for the Protestant Reformation.

Do you put a Christmas tree up for Christmas? What about lights and other decorations?

Do you put a Christmas tree up for Christmas? What about lights and other decorations?

C'mon, Psy! It's okay when a real Christian, like SM, does it.

Do you put a Christmas tree up for Christmas? What about lights and other decorations?

As God is my witness: NO.

Did you?

As God is my witness: NO.

Did you?

As God is my witness: Yes.

What about your church; certainly they must put a tree up or decorate with lights?

:popcorn:

Yes. :popcorn:

Is December 25th REALLY the birth date of The New Testament Jesus?

The point is that Christmas (even Easter) are set dates that had been observed for pagan worshipping of other "gods". The RCC adopted those dates and applied them to "fit in" with Constantine's version of Christianity. Made it easier to reel in the huge population of pagans - enabling them to transition to worshipping the icon make-overs of the RCC which now consists of one of their most revered of all: "The Queen of Heaven"

But then, you already knew that, didnt you? :shrug:

As God is my witness: Yes.

What about your church; certainly they must put a tree up or decorate with lights?

:popcorn:

Like you, PsyOps, I am not a member of any "denominational church". :whistle:

Is December 25th REALLY the birth date of The New Testament Jesus?

The point is that Christmas (even Easter) are set dates that had been observed for pagan worshipping of other "gods". The RCC adopted those dates and applied them to "fit in" with Constantine's version of Christianity. Made it easier to reel in the huge population of pagans - enabling them to transition to worshipping the icon make-overs of the RCC which now consists of one of their most revered of all: "The Queen of Heaven"

But then, you already knew that, didnt you? :shrug:

Regardless, every ‘Christian’ church in the world celebrates Christmas on the 25th of December. If this was influenced by the CC, and they are so guilty of pagan rituals in creating this date, they sure seem to have a lot of influence over us. What does that make us?

On the other hand, perhaps we’ve all just resolved to the fact that we love tradition: the 25th, Christmas trees, lights, and such… Most Christians are guilty; we prop up pagan symbols in celebrating our Savior’s birth. Where do we go from here?

For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. – James 2:10

Like you, PsyOps, I am not a member of any "denominational church". :whistle:

Does your non-denominational church put a tree up for Christmas?

Regardless, every ‘Christian’ church in the world celebrates Christmas on the 25th of December. If this was influenced by the CC, and they are so guilty of pagan rituals in creating this date, they sure seem to have a lot of influence over us. What does that make us?

It makes those who do so all followers and observers of man's traditions and rituals that are based on pagan influences. They are still observing dates set by man that specifically fall upon those of pagan gods. Even observing moon phases as part of celebratory planning was/is considered as being influenced by prior pagan observances.

Unfortunately, even the celebration days of Christmas and Easter have become commercialized to the point of driving people into frustrations, obligations, high expectations and in some cases indebtedness that have nothing to do with but take away from the True Joy of remembering the Birth and Resurrection of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

BTW: The Lordship of Christ should be remembered everyday of a believer's life.


On the other hand, perhaps we’ve all just resolved to the fact that we love tradition: the 25th, Christmas trees, lights, and such… Most Christians are guilty; we prop up pagan symbols in celebrating our Savior’s birth. Where do we go from here?



Decide to make necessary corrections to turn from "man's traditions" and turn our heart daily to the Risen Saviour by placing ourselves under the Divine Guidance of His Holy Spirit as - He wants us to. That way we are remembering Christ's Birth, Ministry, Passion of His Suffering and Crucifixion that Atones for our sins, and His Resurrection that made it possible for us to receive God's Grace of Salvation and Promise of Eternal Life - through faith in Christ alone.

:buddies:

Does your non-denominational church put a tree up for Christmas?

No.

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Rev. Wright spews: “white supremacy” driving “world policy,” Allah and Yahweh are the same god
by Joel McDurmon on Apr 10, 2012



Are they? Really?

Let's see here...

1.) Islam's "Allah" never spoke directly to Muhammad; the messages were transmitted by an "angel" that he met in a cave;

2.) Islam's Allah commanded the angels to bow down to Adam;

3.) Islam's Allah gave men permission to beat their wives for being disobedient;

4.) Islam's Allah allowed Muhammad to marry as many wives as he wanted while Muslim men can marry up to four at a time;

5.) Islam’s Allah appointed Muhammad to be the last and final prophet of mankind;

6.) Islam’s Allah made the world exclusively for Muhammad and Muslims;

7.) Islam's Allah commanded Muhammad to have Muslims fight until the whole world became Muslim;

8.) Islam's Allah allows Muslims who fight in battle to take the enemy's women and children as slaves;

9.) Islam's Allah promised a paradise of wide eyed voluptuous women for the "righteous" Muslim who is martyrd for the cause of Islam;

10.) Islam's Allah created seven levels of Heaven and seven levels of Hell;


Islam's Allah and the Hebrew God, Yahweh, are NOT the same God.

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Absolutely correct.

Is the God of Chrstianity and the God of Islam the same? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (http://carm.org/god-christianity-islam)

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Abualrub/allahs_identity.htm

Excellent research that proves logically, biblically, and language/phonetics-wise that the god of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same in any way.

"To conclude, Abualrub’s claim that Allah is somehow closer to the biblical names for God than the English proves absolutely nothing. Either Abualrub will have to say that Allah functions much like the English word God, as a generic noun which can be used for any deity, i.e. Jesus, Vishnu, etc., which then means that he has no case at all. After all, just because someone uses the same word for God that someone else uses doesn’t mean that they both have the same God in view. Or Abualrub may wish to say that Allah is the eternal name of his deity, the proper name of the god proclaimed by the Quran, and if so, then this further proves that Allah of Islam is not the true God of the Holy Bible, Yahweh Elohim. In either case, Abualrub must contend with the fact that the Holy Bible conclusively proves that the Allah proclaimed by Muhammad is a false god."

The wrong Rev Wright is wrong again. The perversions that erupt from hateful, twisted minds that attempt to make their own theology from the Bible and other sources is astounding.

Really? You're hatred blinds you to the obvious. :rolleyes:

Here's a clue...What McGinn is aluding to is MITHRAS, and that's a Christian issue both Catholic and Protestant.

Mithra the Pagan Christ | Mithraism and Christianity | Mithras the Sun God (http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm)Here is a good blog post about the crap peddled by the Zeitgeist folks. And from a Catholic no less.

Shameless Popery: Jesus and Mithras, Debunked (http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/11/jesus-and-mithras-debunked.html)



If you, a Christian, think Muslims worship a false God then surely the Jews think you do. :lol:Of course they do. A Jew once told a friend of mine that if Jesus comes again, they'll crucify him again.

Here is a good blog post about the crap peddled by the Zeitgeist folks. And from a Catholic no less.

Shameless Popery: Jesus and Mithras, Debunked (http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2011/11/jesus-and-mithras-debunked.html)

I have my own theories about such things, which I believe I've voiced before. I was just trying to make a point, which I think was effective. :wink:


Of course they do. A Jew once told a friend of mine that if Jesus comes again, they'll crucify him again.

Most likely. :ohwell:

...A Jew once told a friend of mine that if Jesus comes again, they'll crucify him again.

When the Jewish Moshiach appears, a Rabbi will walk up and ask Him , "Is this your first time here, or is this your second time?"

(from a Jewish friend)