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The following warning was written during first-century Orthodox Christianity before extra-Biblical dogma was added:



Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. (1 Timothy 4:1-7)



This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; (1 Timothy 3:1-3)

The following warning was written during first-century Orthodox Christianity before extra-Biblical dogma was added:



I will only address what you bolded since I am not a my PC--but you do realize that celebacy is not required by the RCC for its ordained priests and bishops, right? Many are.

I will only address what you bolded since I am not a my PC--but you do realize that celebacy is not required by the RCC for its ordained priests and bishops, right? Many are.

Well, yes, I do realize that an RCC priest or bishop doesn't have to be 100% celibate while remaining unmarried, right? I think that's been proven. :whistle:

BTW: Peter was married. Can a Roman Catholic Pope be married?

I will only address what you bolded since I am not a my PC--but you do realize that celebacy is not required by the RCC for its ordained priests and bishops, right? Many are.

yet there are still rules that deal with this.

Although Catholic priests of the Eastern Rites may be married before they are ordained, if they are unmarried at ordination they may not marry afterwards; this is the Eastern tradition which is also held by the Orthodox.

Married Latin (Roman) Catholic men cannot become priests, as the Latin branch of the Catholic Church requires celibacy as a sign of total dedication to Christ and His people. However, by way of exception, if a married Protestant or Anglican clergyman joins a (Roman) Catholic he can become a Catholic priest while still being married; however, when his wife dies he may not remarry. His wife must give approval for her husband to become a Catholic priest.

Well, yes, I do realize that an RCC priest or bishop doesn't have to be 100% celibate while remaining unmarried, right? I think that's been proven. :whistle:

BTW: Peter was married. Can a Roman Catholic Pope be married?

I guess since Jesus appointed Peter himself, I would assume that Jesus had some idea that Peter was married at the time, If it was not a problem for Jesus, Im pretty sure it cant be a problem with anyone else along the way. If the Pope, the highest position in the church can be married, I see no reason to think that the priest should be restricted.

I guess since Jesus appointed Peter himself, I would assume that Jesus had some idea that Peter was married at the time, If it was not a problem for Jesus, Im pretty sure it cant be a problem with anyone else along the way. If the Pope, the highest position in the church can be married, I see no reason to think that the priest should be restricted.

Waiting for Starman's correction of your assertion in your first sentence....

Waiting for Starman's correction of your assertion in your first sentence....

I dont think he will argue Matthew 16.

I dont think he will argue Matthew 16.

Why of course he will.....and another example of biblical interpretation being different even among Protestants will be proven yet again....

I dont think he will argue Matthew 16.

You are right! No argument. Yes, Jesus knew that Peter was married and may have originally put Peter in charge as one of the building blocks of the Christian faith but in The Great Commission the other Apostles were also considered foundational stones of The Church that Christ built with Jesus being the Chief Cornerstone and the Rock of Salvation. (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Sorry, onel, but Petra, Petros, Peter does not = Pope.

You are right! No argument. Yes, Jesus knew that Peter was married and may have originally put Peter in charge as one of the building blocks of the Christian faith but in The Great Commission the other Apostles were also considered foundational stones of The Church that Christ built with Jesus being the Chief Cornerstone and the Rock of Salvation. (1 Corinthians 10:4)

Sorry, onel, but Petra, Petros, Peter does not = Pope.

Then why care if he were married bcp?

Then why care if he were married bcp?

Originally, there had been no real problem with some of the first RCC popes being married until pope Gregory (?) took the reigns in the Vatican. Turns out that he never married due to his "same-sex preferences" and in order to cover up his persuasion pope Gregory proclaimed that popes should not be married from that point on. This is what was mentioned to me by a former Catholic.

When did the change for popes to be unmarried take place onel?

Originally, there had been no real problem with some of the first RCC popes being married until pope Gregory (?) took the reigns in the Vatican. Turns out that he never married due to his "same-sex preferences" and in order to cover up his persuasion pope Gregory proclaimed that popes should not be married from that point on. This is what was mentioned to me by a former Catholic.

When did the change for popes to be unmarried take place onel?

What does Houdmann say SM?

What does Houdmann say SM?

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I'm asking you onel !

Originally, there had been no real problem with some of the first RCC popes being married until pope Gregory (?) took the reigns in the Vatican. Turns out that he never married due to his "same-sex preferences" and in order to cover up his persuasion pope Gregory proclaimed that popes should not be married from that point on. This is what was mentioned to me by a former Catholic.

When did the change for popes to be unmarried take place onel?Are you referring to Pope Gregory, who is considered one of the four original doctors of the church?

I never heard that before. I know Calvin considered him the "last good pope."

:nono:
I'm asking you onel !

I will post when I get home instead of trying to do this at traffic lights. Please post the source of you r assertion that pope Gregory's same sex attraction was the impetus for the celibate priesthood.

Are you referring to Pope Gregory, who is considered one of the four original doctors of the church?

I never heard that before. I know Calvin considered him the "last good pope."

:howdy:

Actually, there were a number of "pope Gregory's"

I don't which pope Gregory is the one that Calvin was referring to but my friend mentioned that the papal decree upon popes to be unmarried was pronounced by one of the Gregorys. Trying to see if onel could inform us of when that change took place.

Then why care if he were married bcp?

Where did I say that I cared if a priest was married or not?
If I said something to make that impression then I would like to know what it was.

I believe I have held firm on the theory that if priests were allowed to marry, there would be less issue with child molestation in the catholic church.

Info indicates it was Pope Gregory VII who first instituted celbacy. Waiting for onel for his confirmation about when the change was made:


Although the Bible clearly does not support the doctrine of celibacy as a requisite to any office of the church, the Catholic Church has established celibacy as a distinctive mark of the papacy and other Catholic offices. In fact, the current pope, Benedict XVI, affirmed that celibacy (imposed by Pope Gregory VII in the Council of Rome in 1074) “is really a special way of conforming oneself to Christ’s own way of life” (“Pope Pens...,” 2007). Therefore, whoever wants to serve as a priest, and finally as the Universal Bishop of the Catholic Church (the pope), must be celibate

Apologetics Press - Were the Popes Really Celibate? (http://apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=105&article=2618)

More on Pope Gregory VII
(excerpts)


Gregory VII identified three issues as key to the Church’s corruption: the sale of sacred office, the marriage of priests and, above all, the interference of powerful laymen in clerical appointments. If the Church could not choose its own leaders, free from such interference, it would always remain tangled in the web of politics and money, never able to promote priests fit and willing to preach a demanding Gospel to a reluctant world.


Gregory had an exalted sense of his office as Vicar of St Peter. An extraordinary document among his papers, the so-called Dictatus papae, or aphorisms of the Pope, indicates the radical direction of his thinking:
– That the Roman Pontiff alone can depose or reinstate bishops.
– That of the Pope alone all princes shall kiss the feet.
– That it may be permitted to him to depose emperors.
– That a sentence passed by him may be retracted by no one.
– That the Roman Church has never erred; nor will it err to all eternity.
– That the Roman Pontiff, if he have been canonically ordained, is undoubtedly made a saint by the merits of St Peter.
– That he may absolve subjects from their fealty to wicked men.
These ideas were reflected in Gregory’s actions, leading the German bishops to complain that he bossed them around like bailiffs on his estate.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/features/2011/11/01/the-german-pope-who-took-on-the-secular-world/

I believe I have held firm on the theory that if priests were allowed to marry, there would be less issue with child molestation in the catholic church.I would doubt that. Pedophilia is an illness, a drive that can be very difficult to resist. That is wholly different from wanting to be married, so the two can coexist.