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Great job Mr. Officer....you should be proud... :bigwhoop:

No credence to an article that omits the police side of the story and the author cannot even spell "shoot". :boo:

No credence to an article that omits the police side of the story and the author cannot even spell "shoot". :boo:

Austin Police are reviewing the incident, but have yet to release a statement.

Just incase you want to read any more into it....maybe these won't have spelling errors. Lord knows that being a grammer nazi is more important than the story.

:coffee:

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Austin Police Backs Officer Who Mistakenly Shot, Killed Man's Dog (http://hypervocal.com/news/2012/austin-police-cisco-killed-dog/)

Officer goes to wrong address, shoots and kills man's dog (http://now.msn.com/now/0417-officer-shoots-dog.aspx) (This has a video showing about .3 seconds between the time the cop says "Get your dog", and "boom")

This is ridiculous...

The owner is now traumatized and grieving. Nothing will happen to the officer. Heartbreaking.

I wonder how many stupid cops are on the Austin police force...I thought the motto was protect and serve...the officer in this article is a danger to the community. What a total idiot!

The owner is now traumatized and grieving. Nothing will happen to the officer. Heartbreaking.

I wonder how many stupid cops are on the Austin police force...I thought the motto was protect and serve...the officer in this article is a danger to the community. What a total idiot!

A similar incident occurred on Sept.11, 2011, and the APD and City Counsil determind that officers should get mandatory training on what to do when encountering pets.

Guess that didn't work out to well...

If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
If a civilian shoots a police dog, it's life in prison.
If a cop does it, it's protecting and serving. Then the cops make this citizen (who did nothing wrong) feel as if he is in the wrong (the video says it all). Then, not so much as a sorry from the cop, or the supervisor.

This police state is getting out of control.

A similar incident occurred on Sept.11, 2011, and the APD and City Counsil determind that officers should get mandatory training on what to do when encountering pets.

Guess that didn't work out to well...

If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
If a civilian shoots a police dog, it's life in prison.
If a cop does it, it's protecting and serving. Then the cops make this citizen (who did nothing wrong) feel as if he is in the wrong (the video says it all). Then, not so much as a sorry from the cop, or the supervisor.

This police state is getting out of control.

I guess the idiot officer in this instance missed that class. I can't get the image out of my head..that one minute the man and his dog are playing frisbee in the backyard, and the next minute the dog is dead! I guess, he could have shot the man, too, and would have gotten away with that, also. Uh, duh.. I didn't know I was at the wrong house, and, duh.. the dog was barking so he was attacking me, so I shot the dog. Wasn't the officer trespassing or something? What a freaking idiot...I feel a :cds: coming on.

Posted by Chris: "This police state is getting out of control." That's what Obama wants, so he should be happy.

I guess the idiot officer in this instance missed that class. I can't get the image out of my head..that one minute the man and his dog are playing frisbee in the backyard, and the next minute the dog is dead! I guess, he could have shot the man, too, and would have gotten away with that, also. Uh, duh.. I didn't know I was at the wrong house, and, duh.. the dog was barking so he was attacking me, so I shot the dog. Wasn't the officer trespassing or something? What a freaking idiot...I feel a :cds: coming on.

It really blows my mind that there are these trigger happy idiots toting guns around, and they are there to protect US?

There's no excuse for any of the actions that played out.

1). Get the address right!
2). If you're looking for a hispanic couple, don't hold an unarmed white man at gun point.
3). You have multiple weapons at your disposal (pepper spray, tazer, baton, etc.) but this guy felt the need to draw a gun.
4). The dog was probably 40lbs....the cop was easily 200lbs. If you can't fend off an attack by a dog that is 1/4 of your weight. you should seriously re-think becoming a police officer.

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Great job Mr. Officer....you should be proud... :bigwhoop:

Not suprised to see that you've taken your "cop-hating" to another board.

I guess you'll be taking your research nation wide now, just to critisize cops. Be sure to tell all your close cop friends what you'll be up to!

Not suprised to see that you've taken your "cop-hating" to another board.

I guess you'll be taking your research nation wide now, just to critisize cops. Be sure to tell all your close cop friends what you'll be up to!

Please, explain how I am a cop hater....atleast we don't have to wait for comments to be "approved".

:killingme

I sure hope you don't own a dog.

Not suprised to see that you've taken your "cop-hating" to another board.

I guess you'll be taking your research nation wide now, just to critisize cops. Be sure to tell all your close cop friends what you'll be up to!

Where do you get that Chris is a cop hater with what was posted here today? Does that mean I am a cop hater, too? I think the cop in this story was a dog hater. No, wait...the cop in this story is the real dog. The dog was just alerting his master that there was a stranger on the property that had no business being there. The dog was smarter than the cop! But, the cop thought, duh..I'm the one with the gun, and it makes sense that I should shoot the dog, duh, duh, duh!!!! Wait...maybe because of this incident, this cop will train to be a K-9 cop and then he will have his own dog to shoot! Maybe this cop knows Trossbach! ..same mentality and all.

Where do you get that Chris is a cop hater with what was posted here today? Does that mean I am a cop hater, too? I think the cop in this story was a dog hater. No, wait...the cop in this story is the real dog. The dog was just alerting his master that there was a stranger on the property that had no business being there. The dog was smarter than the cop! But, the cop thought, duh..I'm the one with the gun, and it makes sense that I should shoot the dog, duh, duh, duh!!!! Wait...maybe because of this incident, this cop will train to be a K-9 cop and then he will have his own dog to shoot! Maybe this cop knows Trossbach! ..same mentality and all.

Freefaller and I know each other from the "other" southern MD news outlet.

Let's just say we differ on opinion...most of the time.

Be warned though, anytime someone bad mouths a cop, or their tactics...you will be labeled as cop hater by him.

I've tried explaining to him numerous times that I respect the cops that do their job with integrity, and honor. There is no honor in shooting someone's dog. There is no integrity in making the owner feel as if they are at fault.

I don't hate cops. I hate corruption, coverups, and lies.

Not that it matters. He's just lonely, and needs someone to pick on to make his life a bit more enjoyable. It's ok Freefaller....:love:

Where do you get that Chris is a cop hater with what was posted here today? Does that mean I am a cop hater, too? I think the cop in this story was a dog hater. No, wait...the cop in this story is the real dog. The dog was just alerting his master that there was a stranger on the property that had no business being there. The dog was smarter than the cop! But, the cop thought, duh..I'm the one with the gun, and it makes sense that I should shoot the dog, duh, duh, duh!!!! Wait...maybe because of this incident, this cop will train to be a K-9 cop and then he will have his own dog to shoot! Maybe this cop knows Trossbach! ..same mentality and all.

I don't think Chris0nllyn is a cop-hater based on this one article. I get it from several years of anti-cop postings on TheBaynet. He is quite well known there. Now I see that he will be searching the internet to find stories where he can bash cops. He is apparently expanding, not just critisizing our local cops!

To answer your second question, I actually had to read your entire post before I formed my opinion. Your post was childish.

You and Chris are entitled to your opinions and have the right to post them here or anywhere you choose. I have no problem with that. Also, I have the right to post my personal opinions as well.

Freefaller and I know each other from the "other" southern MD news outlet.

Let's just say we differ on opinion...most of the time.

Be warned though, anytime someone bad mouths a cop, or their tactics...you will be labeled as cop hater by him.

I've tried explaining to him numerous times that I respect the cops that do their job with integrity, and honor. There is no honor in shooting someone's dog. There is no integrity in making the owner feel as if they are at fault.

I don't hate cops. I hate corruption, coverups, and lies.

Not that it matters. He's just lonely, and needs someone to pick on to make his life a bit more enjoyable. It's ok Freefaller....:love:

Well, that was a nice intoduction. Thank You!

I don't think Chris0nllyn is a cop-hater based on this one article. I get it from several years of anti-cop postings on TheBaynet. He is quite well known there. Now I see that he will be searching the internet to find stories where he can bash cops. He is apparently expanding, not just critisizing our local cops!

To answer your second question, I actually had to read your entire post before I formed my opinion. Your post was childish.

You and Chris are entitled to your opinions and have the right to post them here or anywhere you choose. I have no problem with that. Also, I have the right to post my personal opinions as well.

I would rather be called childish (and I like to think of childish as someone who is trusting)... than a totally dumb, stupid, freaking moron, abusing his position idiot like the cop in this story! Thank you, for your feedback. This is what I have gotten used to on the forum...members use posts to say negative things to other posters, which is usually not the subject of the threads. You are correct that we are all entitled to our opinions. It is not necessary for posters to interject how they view the member that posted the opinion. But, I see it all the time, and also members posting on threads just to make snide comments or just put some negative smiley up; adding nothing of their opinion to the thread...nothing of value at all...just want to stir things up.

A Charles County sheriff’s officer who shot and killed a family’s dog last week fired seven rounds from a .357-caliber pistol at the animal he said was attacking him, police confirmed Tuesday.


Dog’s shooting spurs outrage (http://ww2.somdnews.com/stories/052307/indytop94216_32081.shtml)

:coffee:

A Charles County sheriff’s officer who shot and killed a family’s dog last week fired seven rounds from a .357-caliber pistol at the animal he said was attacking him, police confirmed Tuesday.


Dog’s shooting spurs outrage (http://ww2.somdnews.com/stories/052307/indytop94216_32081.shtml)

:coffee:

Last Tuesday? You mean almost 5 years ago?

A Charles County sheriff’s officer who shot and killed a family’s dog last week fired seven rounds from a .357-caliber pistol at the animal he said was attacking him, police confirmed Tuesday.


Dog’s shooting spurs outrage (http://ww2.somdnews.com/stories/052307/indytop94216_32081.shtml)

:coffee:

Hey, Hank:howdy:... I have missed you!

Last Tuesday? You mean almost 5 years ago?

Never said it was current... :coffee: Just snagged the first line..

I don't think Chris0nllyn is a cop-hater based on this one article. I get it from several years of anti-cop postings on TheBaynet. He is quite well known there. Now I see that he will be searching the internet to find stories where he can bash cops. He is apparently expanding, not just critisizing our local cops!
To answer your second question, I actually had to read your entire post before I formed my opinion. Your post was childish.

You and Chris are entitled to your opinions and have the right to post them here or anywhere you choose. I have no problem with that. Also, I have the right to post my personal opinions as well.

Several years? I haven't even been a member for 2 years. How could I have posted several years worth of "cop-hating" postings when I haven't even been a member for 2 years?

I didn't "Search" the internet. It's actually on various news outlets, as well as a Facebook memorial page. Which is where I found this story. If I wanted to "search the internet to find storys, all I would have to do is go to Youtube, and post thread, after thread. There's plenty of videos of bad cops out there.

Well known? By whom? Where did you get that info?

I can criticize anyone/anything I damn well please. Especially if those people are public servants paid by us taxpayers.

Enough about me. What is YOUR thought on this story? Or, do you have one?

So what we have here is another cop bashing thread just like the media with trevonne. Chris or Mama weren't there yet they know what happened and what should have happened better than the police do. Arm chair LEO's. :duh:

A large Shepherd dog comes at me barking and I'm carrying guess what..... dead dog!! End of story!!

This is ridiculous...Yea ridiculous... This speaks volumes...

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Lets try & convict the cop in the media!! JUSTICE for Trev...er .... a..... I mean CISCO!! :jameo:

Please, explain how I am a cop hater....atleast we don't have to wait for comments to be "approved".

:killingme

I sure hope you don't own a dog.

Ok, i'm trying to be objective here, but I listened to this. The cop had three seconds to decide what was happening from the time you see the guy until he shoots the dog. Three seconds.

There is no dispute as to the dog going after the cop, the owner of the dog admits that. He also agrees that there are three apartments attached to that address, therefore I don't think you can blame the cop for looking for the address.

Why is this cop so wrong?

I get that it's tragic that the dog is dead, but it's a dog. It was going to attack a cop. Wouldn't we be calling the cop stupid if he were mauled by the dog?

Ok, i'm trying to be objective here, but I listened to this. The cop had three seconds to decide what was happening from the time you see the guy until he shoots the dog. Three seconds.

There is no dispute as to the dog going after the cop, the owner of the dog admits that. He also agrees that there are three apartments attached to that address, therefore I don't think you can blame the cop for looking for the address.

Why is this cop so wrong?

I get that it's tragic that the dog is dead, but it's a dog. It was going to attack a cop. Wouldn't we be calling the cop stupid if he were mauled by the dog?HEY!! Cut it out pal!!! This is a cop bashing, convict before the facts are out because a dog is dead thread!!

Take your facts, logic and reasoning to another thread jerk! :smack:

So what we have here is another cop bashing thread just like the media with trevonne. Chris or Mama weren't there yet they know what happened and what should have happened better than the police do. Arm chair LEO's. :duh:

A large Shepherd dog comes at me barking and I'm carrying guess what..... dead dog!! End of story!!

Two things: First, I think it is an Australian cattle dog. My brother has one. They are not near the size of a Shepherd. Second, the cop was at the wrong address and shot an innocent dog. If the cop had gone to the correct address...the dog wouldn't be dead. Or, if he had shot a dog at the correct address, because there was a domestic disturbance, this story wouldn't have made the news. I hope you don't live in my neck of the woods, and are "carrying" when you see a neighbor's dog, and you think it might attack you, even though it is just barking at you.

Two things: First, I think it is an Australian cattle dog. My brother has one. They are not near the size of a Shepherd. Second, the cop was at the wrong address and shot an innocent dog. If the cop had gone to the correct address...the dog wouldn't be dead. Or, if he had shot a dog at the correct address, because there was a domestic disturbance, this story wouldn't have made the news. I hope you don't live in my neck of the woods, and are "carrying" when you see a neighbor's dog, and you think it might attack you, even though it is just barking at you.

Where do you get that the dog was "just barking"? Even the owner conceded that the dog was going towards the officer.

Two things: First, I think it is an Australian cattle dog. My brother has one. Second, the cop was at the wrong address and shot an innocent dog. If the cop had gone to the correct address...the dog wouldn't be dead. Or, if he had shot a dog at the correct address, this wouldn't have made the news. I hope you don't live in my neck of the woods, and are "carrying" when you see a neighbor's dog, and you think it might attack you, even though it is just barking.And here you are again spouting off your mouth without knowing the facts. You obviously haven't learned much in your short time here.

Why don't you read the horribly written article and try again. his Australian Sheppard, (their spelling, not mine)


How do you know what address the cops were given?? JFC!!!
And you better hope I don't see a barking Shepherd running at me while I am carrying in your neighborhood.
BANG!!! DEAD DOG!! :dead:

Ok, i'm trying to be objective here, but I listened to this. The cop had three seconds to decide what was happening from the time you see the guy until he shoots the dog. Three seconds.

There is no dispute as to the dog going after the cop, the owner of the dog admits that. He also agrees that there are three apartments attached to that address, therefore I don't think you can blame the cop for looking for the address.

Why is this cop so wrong?

I get that it's tragic that the dog is dead, but it's a dog. It was going to attack a cop. Wouldn't we be calling the cop stupid if he were mauled by the dog?

finally some sanity.....

And here you are again spouting off your mouth without knowing the facts. You obviously haven't learned much in your short time here.

Why don't you read the horribly written article and try again.


How do you know what address the cops were given?? JFC!!!
And you better hope I don't see a barking Shepherd running at me while I am carrying in your neighborhood.
BANG!!! DEAD DOG!! :dead:

Ow! Ouch!...I will wear ear plugs the next time I look at your posts. Ok, I admit, I didn't fully research this story...I only read 2 out 4 articles posted here...my newbieness is showing! Note to self: do thorough research! I almost posted an article related to the monkey saving the puppy after the explosion somewhere in Asia...til I researched that the pic was bogus and had been around for several years. That being said, I stand behind everything I posted on this thread.

Where do you get that the dog was "just barking"? Even the owner conceded that the dog was going towards the officer.

With cop-haters, truth and facts never get in their way!

Ow! Ouch!...I will wear ear plugs the next time I look at your posts. Ok, I admit, I didn't fully research this story...I only read 2 out 4 articles posted here...my newbieness is showing! Note to self: do thorough research! I almost posted an article related to the monkey saving the puppy after the explosion somewhere in Asia...til I researched that the pic was bogus and had been around for several years. That being said, I stand behind everything I posted on this thread.

So, help me understand. You readily admit you didn't read everything, your facts were incorrect yet you still stand by your opinion? How ignorant is that?

Remember, don''t let facts or the truth get in your way. Just bash away before you know what really happened. It's part of the cop-hater creed.

I almost posted an article related to the monkey saving the puppy .

You saved a puppy!!!! :yahoo:

With cop-haters, truth and facts never get in their way!

There are no cop haters here. To hate cops is ridiculous because most are brave and truly want to protect and serve on a very low salary; not to mention the danger factor that a cop faces everyday. Plus, they are the barrier between good citizens and the crime element. I respect law enforcement immensely. However, there are a few bad cops! Are you saying that no matter what the truth and facts are, that the cop is always right?

Ow! Ouch!...I will wear ear plugs the next time I look at your posts. Ok, I admit, I didn't fully research this story...I only read 2 out 4 articles posted here...my newbieness is showing! Note to self: do thorough research! I almost posted an article related to the monkey saving the puppy after the explosion somewhere in Asia...til I researched that the pic was bogus and had been around for several years. That being said, I stand behind everything I posted on this thread.You almost had my faith restored until you said you stand behind your posts here.

You didn't read the article and you don't have all the facts yet you have crucified a cop who was attached by a large dog. Would you care to explain that?

You almost had my faith restored until you said you stand behind your posts here.

You didn't read the article and you don't have all the facts yet you have crucified a cop who was attached by a large dog. Would you care to explain that?

I don't worry about your faith in me. I know my faith, and know who I respect and truly have to answer to when my time is up. Now, back to business..I have read the other two articles. I did not crucify the cop because I specifically remember I didn't nail him to a cross. I was expressing my opinion, even though I didn't have all the facts, but now I do. I guess, I am one of those "collective hearts"...having animals all my life. I commend the dog owner for not wanting to see the officer punished for this...I don't think I could be that forgiving. It is still a very sad story that an innocent dog was killed just doing what dogs do to protect their masters...talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the grand scheme of things, I will look at it as a child was not killed or the dog owner, himself. But it is still a very sad story. Now, you can't disagree with that, can you, Baja?.

Edit: Still a teeny part of me wishes that Cisco had taken a chunk out of the cop before he was executed...something that required more than a bandaid! You can interpret that any way you want. I have my ear plugs next to my computer!

You saved a puppy!!!! :yahoo:

Hank, I am sorry dear, but sometimes, you really don't make sense. I hope you are still going to therapy. I worry about you so.

So, help me understand. You readily admit you didn't read everything, your facts were incorrect yet you still stand by your opinion? How ignorant is that?

Remember, don''t let facts or the truth get in your way. Just bash away before you know what really happened. It's part of the cop-hater creed.

Are you one of those spiders? You seem to show up more on threads that I am on because I wasn't familiar with you until the last couple days. And, I wasn't bashing a cop, just posting my opinion w/o full info. (don't tell anybody, but I don't think I have changed my mind about this) But, at the same time, are cops above bashing? If you read all the posts, you will see that I totally respect law enforcement, except for the stupid ones. At least I am honest about my mistakes, and I am by no means ignorant, and I don't belittle people on this forum ...that is ignorance. (I came close to belittling people on this forum as a newbie, but quickly learned how to interact..it is not a personal thing, it is an opinion thing). Trust me , I have gotten more out of this thread than just the story about Cisco. I would appreciate you not calling me a cop hater, and wth is the cop-hater creed? Go preach to someone else. Thank you.

Edit: The three second thing is what is bothering me...if my dog seemed to be a threat to someone, all I have to do is restrain him by grabbing his collar...dog secure... but Cisco's owner was probably in shock at what was going on and didn't have time to react in 3 seconds...but I am sure someone will post that I don't have all the facts because I was the only one that wasn't there when this happened and you are supposed to believe everything you hear or read.

I don't worry about your faith in me. I know my faith, and know who I respect and truly have to answer to when my time is up. Now, back to business..I have read the other two articles. I did not crucify the cop because I specifically remember I didn't nail him to a cross. I was expressing my opinion, even though I didn't have all the facts, but now I do. I guess, I am one of those "collective hearts"...having animals all my life. I commend the dog owner for not wanting to see the officer punished for this...I don't think I could be that forgiving. It is still a very sad story that an innocent dog was killed just doing what dogs do to protect their masters...talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. In the grand scheme of things, I will look at it as a child was not killed or the dog owner, himself. But it is still a very sad story. Now, you can't disagree with that, can you, Baja?.

Edit: Still a teeny part of me wishes that Cisco had taken a chunk out of the cop before he was executed...something that required more than a bandaid! You can interpret that any way you want. I have my ear plugs next to my computer!Ok there is a distinct line between animal lovers and animal nutties. I am an animal lover, you are an animal nutty. Anyone who wishes a dog to bite a cop defending himself (just like you say the dog was defending his owner) is just plain nutty. :crazy: :huggy:

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You saved a puppy!!!! :yahoo:

Hank, I am sorry dear, but sometimes, you really don't make sense. I hope you are still going to therapy. I worry about you so.

He's cold and calculated... Don't let that bunny suit fool you...

A Charles County sheriff’s officer who shot and killed a family’s dog last week fired seven rounds from a .357-caliber pistol at the animal he said was attacking him, police confirmed Tuesday.


Dog’s shooting spurs outrage (http://ww2.somdnews.com/stories/052307/indytop94216_32081.shtml)

:coffee:

Before people go nutso over this, you forgot to mention this story is dated Wednesday, May 23, 2007

So what we have here is another cop bashing thread just like the media with trevonne. Chris or Mama weren't there yet they know what happened and what should have happened better than the police do. Arm chair LEO's. :duh:

A large Shepherd dog comes at me barking and I'm carrying guess what..... dead dog!! End of story!!

Um, no...

This is no "Cop bashing thread". This is a thread to pass along information. You can have your opinion on the subject, and I have mine. Apparently, thinking differently is a bad thing here.

See, the difference between this story, and the Trayvon story, is that there is a video from the cop car associated with this story. Making it much easier to come up with a reasonable opinion.

Again, it's a dog, of course it's going to come running up to someone on his own property!

Then, for the cop to tell the man, "You should have had your dog on a leash", "why didn't you get your dog"

Right, this guy needed his dog on a leash, in his own back yard, and while being held at gun point (while unarmed) he was supposed to move suddenly to get his dog?

Yea ridiculous... This speaks volumes...

Lets try & convict the cop in the media!! JUSTICE for Trev...er .... a..... I mean CISCO!! :jameo:

Please, give it a rest before you blow a blood vessel.

No one is trying to convict the cop, and if you think I am, please point to where I said the cop should be punished. I'll wait....

Ok, i'm trying to be objective here, but I listened to this. The cop had three seconds to decide what was happening from the time you see the guy until he shoots the dog. Three seconds.

There is no dispute as to the dog going after the cop, the owner of the dog admits that. He also agrees that there are three apartments attached to that address, therefore I don't think you can blame the cop for looking for the address.

Why is this cop so wrong?

I get that it's tragic that the dog is dead, but it's a dog. It was going to attack a cop. Wouldn't we be calling the cop stupid if he were mauled by the dog?

If the cop had went to the right house to begin with, it never would have happened.

If the cop didn't have his gun drawn at an unarmed man, it's possible that the cop could have used a less than lethal method on the dog.

The dog was around 40lbs. This wasn't a bull mastiff, or that big bad pitbull everyone hates.

The call went out for a hispanic couple, and the cop holds up a 40 year old white guy?

A dog is a dog...if someone is making threating gestures toward it's owner, what do you think it would do!? The owner is lucky he didn't try and restrain the dog. Sudden movements = being shot.

So, help me understand. You readily admit you didn't read everything, your facts were incorrect yet you still stand by your opinion? How ignorant is that?

Remember, don''t let facts or the truth get in your way. Just bash away before you know what really happened. It's part of the cop-hater creed.

Before you go jumping on the bandwagon, answer my question I asked earlier.

What is YOUR opinion on this? We already know the answer, so it's not like it matters.

And here you are again spouting off your mouth without knowing the facts. You obviously haven't learned much in your short time here.

Why don't you read the horribly written article and try again.


How do you know what address the cops were given?? JFC!!!
And you better hope I don't see a barking Shepherd running at me while I am carrying in your neighborhood.
BANG!!! DEAD DOG!! :dead:

In case you haven't noticed, I posted a few more articles on the story. you could try reading those and forming an opinion rather than trying to look like billy badass of the forum. Shoot someone's dog? I bet you'd feel like a big man carrying a gun around. Dogs, squirrels, skateboarders....nothing would scare you! Good thing you aren't a UPS/FedEx delivery man. They seem to have to go to people's homes everyday, but they don't feel the need to shoot the owner's pets.

Unfortunate....yes
DO I feel bad for the cop to have to live with that....yes
Could it have been prevented?....yes
Did the police apologize afterwards?....yes
Are there people out there who are calling for lynching of the cop?....yes, but I am not one of them.

If you actually read anything on this story (instead of questioning the author of one of the links I posted) you'd know that the owner just wants to know the procedure in place when dealing with pets. If an incident like this happend once before, and it drew enough attention to warrant mandatory pet confrontation training; what does that training teach? Obviously the cop didn't WANT to shoot the dog, and he didn't have much time to think, but there has to be some sort of procedure in place to deal with that. The thing about cops is, they are trained to make decisions in a fast, high stress situation, and this cop chose to take the easy way. Shoot first, ask questions later. The owner just wants answers, he's not looking for a mob to give street justice to the cop.

Two things: First, I think it is an Australian cattle dog. My brother has one. They are not near the size of a Shepherd. Second, the cop was at the wrong address and shot an innocent dog. If the cop had gone to the correct address...the dog wouldn't be dead. Or, if he had shot a dog at the correct address, because there was a domestic disturbance, this story wouldn't have made the news. I hope you don't live in my neck of the woods, and are "carrying" when you see a neighbor's dog, and you think it might attack you, even though it is just barking at you.

The article specifically says the citizen who called in the report gave the wrong address. So we have a cop who went to the address given. He wasn't wandering around aimlessly at the wrong address so you cannot blame him for being where he was sent.

The article specifically says the citizen who called in the report gave the wrong address. So we have a cop who went to the address given. He wasn't wandering around aimlessly at the wrong address so you cannot blame him for being where he was sent.

That article does....but don't read it!!!!!! :sarcasm:

Seriously, every other article I've read said "the police were responding to a domestic disturbance call and mistakenly went to the wrong address."

Either way, the use of deadly force is the first thing the cop should have done?

In circumstances where officers encounter any animal which reasonably appears, under the circumstances, to pose an imminent threat to the safety of officers or others, officers are authorized to use deadly force to neutralize such a threat.

In circumstances in which officers have sufficient advanced notice that a potentially dangerous domestic animal (e.g., dog) may be encountered, such as in the serving of a search warrant, officers should develop reasonable contingency plans for deadline with the animal without the use of deadly force (e.g., fire extinguisher, TASER Device, oleoresin capsicum (OC) spray, assistance of animal control). Nothing in this policy shall prohibit any officer from resorting to deadly force to control a dangerous animal if circumstances reasonably dedicate that a contingency plan has failed or becomes impracticable.


Based on their "firearms discharge situations" the cop was right. According to his story.

It's a shame either way.

That article does....but don't read it!!!!!! :sarcasm:

Seriously, every other article I've read said "the police were responding to a domestic disturbance call and mistakenly went to the wrong address."



The vast majority of coverage on this story consists of blogs by people who are only responding to other bloggers and the admittedly one-sided Facebook page. Don't believe anyone has posted a really 'investigated' story that hasn't been tainted by opinionated one-sided blogs.

The vast majority of coverage on this story consists of blogs by people who are only responding to other bloggers and the admittedly one-sided Facebook page. Don't believe anyone has posted a really 'investigated' story that hasn't been tainted by opinionated one-sided blogs.

There's only so much to this story.

I'm reading the ones from the Austin news stations.

That being said, I stand behind everything I posted on this thread.

Sounds familiar.... stick to your guns, even when confronted by facts that show your error. Who does that sound like?

That article does....but don't read it!!!!!! :sarcasm:

Seriously, every other article I've read said "the police were responding to a domestic disturbance call and mistakenly went to the wrong address."

Either way, the use of deadly force is the first thing the cop should have done?

Based on their "firearms discharge situations" the cop was right. According to his story.

It's a shame either way.
Look pal, YOU started this knee jerk thread with the obvious slant that the cops knowingly went to the wrong address, overreacted by shooting an innocent dog and Mamatutu jumped on your cop bashing bandwagon. Your own links have made you look like a fool.

The cop reacted as any normal person would when a shepherd type dog comes at them barking and well within his training. Had the dog been left in the backyard, it would still be alive.

Stop blaming the cops and quit trying to be an armchair LEO. You aren't qualified as proven by your posts. Oh and try to find more professional sources. :duh:

Look pal, YOU started this knee jerk thread with the obvious slant that the cops knowingly went to the wrong address, overreacted by shooting an innocent dog and Mamatutu jumped on your cop bashing bandwagon. Your own links have made you look like a fool.

The cop reacted as any normal person would when a shepherd type dog comes at them barking and well within his training. Had the dog been left in the backyard, it would still be alive.

Stop blaming the cops and quit trying to be an armchair LEO. You aren't qualified as proven by your posts. Oh and try to find more professional sources. :duh:

I'm not your "pal"...

What slant? The one YOU decided? Look, if you want to dig through threads just to stir the pot, be my guest. My own links? Give me a break. This story is everywhere, and I provided a handful to look at. One of which has a video form the cops car with audio and everything.

Any normal person would be charged with animal cruelty if they went on someone's property and shot their dog. Any normal person would have double checked the address. Any normal person whould have seen that this guy wasn't hispanic. Any normal person wouldn't have had to shoot a 40lb. dog. This guy shouldn't have to lock his dog up in fear that a cop may go to the wrong house and shoot his dog!

What if this guy was an off duty cop, and was playing with his K-9. Then the same actions take place. Would you have the same viewpoint?

How about you worry less about the source(s) and do a bit of your own research. The story is identical across the board, and the evidence is in the video.

Again, I'll ask you to show me where I blamed the cop. Next time you want to try and be a keyboard gangster, get your sh!t straight.]

Bottom line is, this guy was playing with his best friend, in his own yard, doing absolutely nothing wrong. Within seconds, he's being held at gunpoint, and his dog gets shot right in front of him. Only to have the cop question him as if the owner had done something wrong!

bottom line is this...the cops need to stop shooting innocent dogs & start shooting more innocent drug dealers, rapists, & hoodie wearing thugs

Everyone keeps saying that this dog is a Shepard type size dog. It's a Australian blue heeler cattle dog I thought those were a smaller dog. In the picture of "Cisco" he looks like a pretty small sized dog like a Jack Russell maybe a little big bigger. He doesn't look like he is the size of a Shepard style dog from the pictures.

I'm not your "pal"... awwww...rats! :frown:

What slant? The one YOU decided? Look, if you want to dig through threads just to stir the pot, be my guest. My own links? Ummmmm yea, you started the thread. Give me a break. This story is everywhere, and I provided a handful to look at. One of which has a video form the cops car with audio and everything.

Any normal person would be charged with animal cruelty if they went on someone's property and shot their dog. Any normal person would have double checked the address. Ummm...the caller gave them the wrong address. Don't you read the crap you post?? Any normal person whould have seen that this guy wasn't hispanic. Any normal person wouldn't have had to shoot a 40lb. dog. This guy shouldn't have to lock his dog up in fear that a cop may go to the wrong house and shoot his dog! Ummmm.... there are leash laws. Dogs do have to be locked up or on a leash. :coffee: (you really suck at this)

What if this guy was an off duty cop, and was playing with his K-9. Then the same actions take place. Would you have the same viewpoint? Yep!! And you'd think one cop would know another cop.

How about you worry less about the source(s) and do a bit of your own research. The story is identical across the board, and the evidence is in the video. I repeat, I don't have to research anything because it's YOUR thread!! You posted the info. Not my job to vet your sources.

Again, I'll ask you to show me where I blamed the cop. See below pal. (shooting fish in a barrel) Next time you want to try and be a keyboard gangster, get your sh!t straight.

Bottom line is, this guy was playing with his best friend, in his own yard, doing absolutely nothing wrong. Within seconds, he's being held at gunpoint, and his dog gets shot right in front of him. Only to have the cop question him as if the owner had done something wrong!Ok pal, I see you're confused as to how online bulletin boards work so I'll cut you a little slack. I do not have to research ANYTHING when you start a thread and post links. I simply commented on YOUR links dummy.

Here, since you're a lil slow, I'll requote your posts blaming the police...

Post 1Great job Mr. Officer....you should be proud...

Post 5A similar incident occurred on Sept.11, 2011, and the APD and City Counsil determind that officers should get mandatory training on what to do when encountering pets.

Guess that didn't work out to well...

If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
If a civilian shoots a police dog, it's life in prison.
If a cop does it, it's protecting and serving. Then the cops make this citizen (who did nothing wrong) feel as if he is in the wrong (the video says it all). Then, not so much as a sorry from the cop, or the supervisor.

This police state is getting out of control.

Post 7It really blows my mind that there are these trigger happy idiots toting guns around, and they are there to protect US?

There's no excuse for any of the actions that played out.

1). Get the address right!
2). If you're looking for a hispanic couple, don't hold an unarmed white man at gun point.
3). You have multiple weapons at your disposal (pepper spray, tazer, baton, etc.) but this guy felt the need to draw a gun.
4). The dog was probably 40lbs....the cop was easily 200lbs. If you can't fend off an attack by a dog that is 1/4 of your weight. you should seriously re-think becoming a police officer.


I can go on..... :coffee:



Signed,

The Keyboard Gangsta

Ok pal, I see you're confused as to how online bulletin boards work so I'll cut you a little slack. I do not have to research ANYTHING when you start a thread and post links. I simply commented on YOUR links dummy.

Here, since you're a lil slow, I'll requote your posts blaming the police...

I can go on..... :coffee:

Signed,

The Keyboard Gangsta

Sorry, I didn't realize I asked you to comment on the links I posted instead of commenting about the story itself. I guess I should spell it out for those of you who need their hand held. I guess I shouldn't have expected an adult to do his own research on the story.

Ummmmm yea, you started the thread
Yes, yes I did start this thread. Good job pointing that out! Your point?

Ummm...the caller gave them the wrong address. Don't you read the crap you post??
Ummm...all I see is that the cops went to the wrong address to look for Jesus Rivas and Maria Hernandez. I guess verifying addresses doesn't come with the job huh? Yet, he holds this man at gun point. He wasn't going to a bank robbery. Why the need to go staright to his gun? He's got numerous non-lethal weapons at his disposal, and he chose his gun.

Ummmm.... there are leash laws. Dogs do have to be locked up or on a leash. (you really suck at this)

Leash laws, IN YOUR OWN YARD!? And I "really suck at this?"
Austin's own leash laws say:
City Code allows dogs to be without a leash in designated areas, provided that each dog remains under immediate personal supervision and command. The code states, “Patrons shall not permit a pet or other animal to remain unattended or create a disturbance or a hazard.” and that's in a city park.

I'd say playing with your dog in your own backyard is under immediate control, wouldn't you?

You would think a cop knows another cop.
:eyebrow: That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. You can justify killing of a police dog because the cop should have recognized another cop in plain clothes?

I repeat, I don't have to research anything because it's YOUR thread!! You posted the info. Not my job to vet your sources.

So, you can rag on someone else for no researching, yet you feel you know enough about this story from my apparent unreliable sources to warrant your oh-so-educated opinion? But, you don't think you should do your own research? How on earth do you decide what candidate to vote for? You see Romney on TV, and automatically vote for him because you don't think you should do the research?

There's also 3 other sources I posted....incase you missed them

Ok pal, I see you're confused as to how online bulletin boards work so I'll cut you a little slack. I do not have to research ANYTHING when you start a thread and post links. I simply commented on YOUR links dummy.

Here, since you're a lil slow, I'll requote your posts blaming the police...

I'm quite familiar with forums actually. I'm not asking you to research, but if you want to comment on the story, you'd think you would want to look it up on your own. I didn't realize this was English class, and citing sources was the norm. Next time, before posting a story, I'll do a full background investigation just for you!

I still never blamed the officer in those posts. So, I'm confused as to what you're trying to accomplish here.

Sorry, I didn't realize I asked you to comment on the links I posted instead of commenting about the story itself. I guess I should spell it out for those of you who need their hand held. I guess I shouldn't have expected an adult to do his own research on the story.

Yes, yes I did start this thread. Good job pointing that out! Your point?

Ummm...all I see is that the cops went to the wrong address to look for Jesus Rivas and Maria Hernandez. I guess verifying addresses doesn't come with the job huh? Yet, he holds this man at gun point. He wasn't going to a bank robbery. Why the need to go staright to his gun? He's got numerous non-lethal weapons at his disposal, and he chose his gun.

Leash laws, IN YOUR OWN YARD!? And I "really suck at this?"
Austin's own leash laws say:
and that's in a city park.

I'd say playing with your dog in your own backyard is under immediate control, wouldn't you?

:eyebrow: That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. You can justify killing of a police dog because the cop should have recognized another cop in plain clothes?

So, you can rag on someone else for no researching, yet you feel you know enough about this story from my apparent unreliable sources to warrant your oh-so-educated opinion? But, you don't think you should do your own research? How on earth do you decide what candidate to vote for? You see Romney on TV, and automatically vote for him because you don't think you should do the research?

There's also 3 other sources I posted....incase you missed them

I'm quite familiar with forums actually. I'm not asking you to research, but if you want to comment on the story, you'd think you would want to look it up on your own. I didn't realize this was English class, and citing sources was the norm. Next time, before posting a story, I'll do a full background investigation just for you!

I still never blamed the officer in those posts. So, I'm confused as to what you're trying to accomplish here.Well buddy after reading this I am reminded of the old saying:

Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. I'm bowing out but you keep posting so more folks can see what a moron you are. :notworthy

I sure hope you never procreate.

Well buddy after reading this I am reminded of the old saying:

Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. I'm bowing out but you keep posting so more folks can see what a moron you are. :notworthy:

I sure hope you never procreate.

What's that other saying....

"If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".

:wah:

"Ummm...all I see is that the cops went to the wrong address to look for Jesus Rivas and Maria Hernandez. I guess verifying addresses doesn't come with the job huh? Yet, he holds this man at gun point. He wasn't going to a bank robbery. Why the need to go staright to his gun? He's got numerous non-lethal weapons at his disposal, and he chose his gun."

The officer went to the address he was dispatched to....so the blame would go to the dispatcher or person who gave the wrong address.

Numerous non-lethal weapons to stop a charging dog? 10-15 % OC won't stop a dog from attacking, seen it first hand. Tazer through a dogs furr would be hit or miss, no pun intended. Club maybe if he was carrying one and could pull it out in time? A few second at best reaction time to decide.

It's extremely unfortunate that the dog was killed.

"Ummm...all I see is that the cops went to the wrong address to look for Jesus Rivas and Maria Hernandez. I guess verifying addresses doesn't come with the job huh? Yet, he holds this man at gun point. He wasn't going to a bank robbery. Why the need to go staright to his gun? He's got numerous non-lethal weapons at his disposal, and he chose his gun."

The officer went to the address he was dispatched to....so the blame would go to the dispatcher or person who gave the wrong address.

Numerous non-lethal weapons to stop a charging dog? 10-15 % OC won't stop a dog from attacking, seen it first hand. Tazer through a dogs furr would be hit or miss, no pun intended. Club maybe if he was carrying one and could pull it out in time? A few second at best reaction time to decide.

It's extremely unfortunate that the dog was killed.Shhhhh..... Chris doesn't like facts. He'd rather blame the police.

It is a shame the dog got killed.

Why not expand this into more dog-hating people. Obama Bites Dog | Dreams From My Father | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/17/obama-bites-dog/)

"I'd say playing with your dog in your own backyard is under immediate control, wouldn't you? "

Obviously not if the dog was attacking.

Question would be if it was indeed attacking or just defending at owner's side and just barking?

The officer went to the address he was dispatched to....so the blame would go to the dispatcher or person who gave the wrong address.

Numerous non-lethal weapons to stop a charging dog? 10-15 % OC won't stop a dog from attacking, seen it first hand. Tazer through a dogs furr would be hit or miss, no pun intended. Club maybe if he was carrying one and could pull it out in time? A few second at best reaction time to decide.

It's extremely unfortunate that the dog was killed.

Where did you find that info that the cop was dispatched wrong info?

Height: Males 17-20 inches (43-51cm) Females 17-19 inches (43-48cm)
Weight: Males 32-35 pounds (15-16kg) Females 30-35 pounds (14-16kg)

Seems like a pretty small dog for a big man.

Again, why did the cop draw his gun on an unarmed man in the first place?

% concentration is one thing, but the SHU units is what burns. You can have 5% OC spray with 2,000,000 SHU. But, who's to say this dog was attacking him? You walk in my house, and my dog is going to bark and run up to you. You walk on my property, and she would do the same thing. It's what dogs do.

It is unfortunate, and I'm not downplaying that.

Shhhhh..... Chris doesn't like facts. He'd rather blame the police.

It is a shame the dog got killed.

I though you were done here?

:buttkick:

Obviously not if the dog was attacking.

Question would be if it was indeed attacking or just defending at owner's side and just barking?

That wording is for having dogs in a park. There's no law for having a dog on your property.

Would have never happend if the cop had verified the address.

It's a dog....of course it's going to come barking if he hear's the owner being yelled at.

I though you were done here? Done trying to explain simple things to you. I will continue to post to other posters. :coffee:

Would have never happend if the cop had verified the address. The cop went to the address he was given!! JFC you're dense!! :smack:

It's a dog....of course it's going to come barking if he hear's the owner being yelled at.How old are you Chris? 13?

Where did you find that info that the cop was dispatched wrong info?



Seems like a pretty small dog for a big man.

Again, why did the cop draw his gun on an unarmed man in the first place?

% concentration is one thing, but the SHU units is what burns. You can have 5% OC spray with 2,000,000 SHU. But, who's to say this dog was attacking him? You walk in my house, and my dog is going to bark and run up to you. You walk on my property, and she would do the same thing. It's what dogs do.

It is unfortunate, and I'm not downplaying that.

Are you telling me he was given the correct info then? Or telling me that a police officer takes 911 calls directly and researches them in his/her vehicle?

My 11 lb dog could put the hurt to someone. Then add the potential of rabies. So yes, 40 lbs is a threat.

I stated the 'attack' as a question not a statement, please re-read. That should have been obvious, with the term "Question" and the "?" at the end.
"Question would be if it was indeed attacking or just defending at owner's side and just barking?"

No disagreement that a dog will defend the owner's property.

I have no idea why the Police officer drew his weapon on the man. I can understand if the dog was attacking him.

The cop went to the address he was given!! JFC you're dense!!

How old are you Chris? 13?

Where did you find that info?

14 actually. :buddies:

I though you were done here?

:buttkick:



That wording is for having dogs in a park. There's no law for having a dog on your property.


You are liable for a dog attack on anybody, even on your property (ie. Mailmen, Police Officers, Firemen, Girl Scouts, liberals, etc.)

Are you telling me he was given the correct info then? Or telling me that a police officer takes 911 calls directly and researches them in his/her vehicle?

My 11 lb dog could put the hurt to someone. Then add the potential of rabies. So yes, 40 lbs is a threat.

I stated the 'attack' as a question not a statement, please re-read. That should have been obvious, with the term "Question" and the "?" at the end.
"Question would be if it was indeed attacking or just defending at owner's side and just barking?"

No disagreement that a dog will defend the owner's property.

I have no idea why the Police officer drew his weapon on the man. I can understand if the dog was attacking him.

I don't know what info he was given. I just know he went to the wrong house. I also have not read where he was given the wrong address. If he was, I can understand. If he went to the wrong house, it's his fault.

In that case, the cop has the right to shoot a cat, ferret, or what about a pet snake? All those can be called a "threat" by a cop. You think the guy would shoot someone's dog, then admit that he screwed up? Of course he's going to cover his own a$$.

I'm not trying to argue with you, or anyone else....just having a debate.

You are liable for a dog attack on anybody, even on your property (ie. Mailmen, Police Officers, Firemen, Girl Scouts, liberals, etc.)

IF the dog did attack him, I understand. All that we have to go on is the cop saying the dog jumped at him. Besides, it's not like the cop is going to say. "Yea, I screwed up and shot the dog. My bad".

A dog will do that, no matter what kind of dog. That doesn't mean cops should be allowed to blast every animal they think is a threat. Same reasoning behind not being allowed to shoot whoever they want. If they can get away with shooting someone with a cell phone that they thought was a gun, they sure as hell will get away with this.

IF the dog did attack him, I understand. All that we have to go on is the cop saying the dog jumped at him. Besides, it's not like the cop is going to say. "Yea, I screwed up and shot the dog. My bad".

A dog will do that, no matter what kind of dog. That doesn't mean cops should be allowed to blast every animal they think is a threat. Same reasoning behind not being allowed to shoot whoever they want. If they can get away with shooting someone with a cell phone that they thought was a gun, they sure as hell will get away with this.

I would say we have to take his word until proven wrong. Yes, there have been many in the past covering their 'behinds', but I can't convict on a stereotype. I am not a cop but do appreciate their service, and with some other professions like teachers, would like to see across the board raises to increase the professionalism and education of their cadre. Obviously, in today's times, wishful thinking.

No disagreement with dogs defending home. I do feel Police have the right to defend themselves in the line of duty. What they do at work is not a day-to-day activity for the average person, and I am sure you can't train for every single situation they will encounter. Lesson the risk yes, but not eliminate it. We put HS graduates, mid twenty year adults, with moderate training, in hazardous situations every day. Surely errors will occur and probably must occur by sheer numbers/odds.

I would hate one of my dogs being shot, but would understand the error if they were in a similar situation.

I would say we have to take his word until proven wrong. Yes, there have been many in the past covering their 'behinds', but I can't convict on a stereotype. I am not a cop but do appreciate their service, and with some other professions like teachers, would like to see across the board raises to increase the professionalism and education of their cadre. Obviously, in today's times, wishful thinking.

No disagreement with dogs defending home. I do feel Police have the right to defend themselves in the line of duty. What they do at work is not a day-to-day activity for the average person, and I am sure you can't train for every single situation they will encounter. Lesson the risk yes, but not eliminate it. We put HS graduates, mid twenty year adults, with moderate training, in hazardous situations every day. Surely errors will occur and probably must occur by sheer numbers/odds.

I would hate one of my dogs being shot, but would understand the error if they were in a similar situation.

I agree.

I respect and appreciate what they do, and I have a few friends that are cops. From COs, to traffic cops, to SWAT, and I appreciate everything they do, and I'm not saying it's easy. On the other hand, they knew what they were getting into when they signed up. No one made them sign up, and when they did, they took an oath to protect and serve the community. Shooting a man's dog and making him feel at fault is not protecting or serving, and it's surely not doing either with integrity, or honor.

Unfortunately, the bad cops give them all a bad name. The ones that use dirty tactics to get another arrest, and/or the ones that use the badge as a power trip.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess....

OK First off the man was outside playing frisbee with his dog! Cant see where the officer would think it was domestic if the guy is outside playing with his dog!

I heard it was a dispatcher error....dont know and dont care, if the officer saw the man outside playing with his dog, maybe he could have put his window down and asked the man to approach his car, or how about, please put your dog away. I just dont understand all these police officers that have fear of dogs? I understand police are human, but they are supposed to be slightly braver than the average joe!

I will give you some credible articles to read and videos to watch...The officer told him to get control of his dog and withing a half a second of him saying this to the owner you hear gun shots. The officers dash cam captured all of this on voice recording.

Justice For Cisco: Austin Police Officer Fatally Shot Dog While Responding To Wrong House (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17/justice-for-cisco-police-officer-killed-dog-texas_n_1432682.html?ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false)

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t3#/video/us/2012/04/17/austin-police-officer-shoots-dog.kxan)

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8453274/us-cop-shoots-pet-dog-dead

Texas Man Claims Police Killed His Dog When Responding to Wrong Address - Yahoo! (http://gma.yahoo.com/texas-man-claims-police-killed-dog-responding-wrong-200036220--abc-news-topstories.html)

U.S. News - Officer shoots man's dog after 911 caller gives wrong address (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/17/11250094-officer-shoots-mans-dog-after-911-caller-gives-wrong-address?lite)

Austin police apologize for shooting homeowner's dog named Cisco (http://digitaltexan.net/2012/austin-local-news/facebook-campaign-justice-cisco-puts-pressure-austin-police-dog-shooting/article31830/#.T47_a7OwySr)

This last one has video of the officers dash cam, there is video out there somewhere of the whole 21 minutes, but I can readily locate it!

This officer was WAY OUT OF LINE! He needs to get fired and sued in the Civil Court just the like the officer in Frederick, Maryland! After the people sued that cop they were awarded over 600,000.00 for the over zealous dog hating cop shooting their dog!

I heard it was a dispatcher error....dont know and dont care, if the officer saw the man outside playing with his dog, maybe he could have put his window down and asked the man to approach his car, or how about, please put your dog away. I just dont understand all these police officers that have fear of dogs? I understand police are human, but they are supposed to be slightly braver than the average joe!

With all due respect, I think the guy was in his backyard playing, then went around fron to get something out of his truck.

At the same time, the cop is walking up, sees this man, and holds him at gunpoint. That's when the dog ran from around the house.

With all due respect, I think the guy was in his backyard playing, then went around fron to get something out of his truck.

At the same time, the cop is walking up, sees this man, and holds him at gunpoint. That's when the dog ran from around the house.

Maybe so.....I just heard he was playing with the dog. I get so disgusted when I hear about cops getting trigger happy on dogs, I hate to read the stories anymore! I was thrilled when I saw the Frederick couple won the law suit against the cop this month!!

Maybe so.....I just heard he was playing with the dog. I get so disgusted when I hear about cops getting trigger happy on dogs, I hate to read the stories anymore! I was thrilled when I saw the Frederick couple won the law suit against the cop this month!!

I had no idea about that story until I looked it up.

Crazy stuff....saying anything more would make me a cop hater though

You guys might as well stop arguing over it. The officer will never admit he was wrong because it goes against SOP and it opens law enforcement to an insane amount of court cases against them for every little thing.

Sometimes they do the wrong thing. Sometimes someone will take them to court to prove it and if they do, there is the appropriate punishment, etc.

But they mostly do the right thing.

I can't imagine being scared of an Australian cattle dog but that is because I am familiar with the breed. Then again the most vicious dog I ever met was a chihuahua with an attitude, so size isn't everything.

Maybe so.....I just heard he was playing with the dog. I get so disgusted when I hear about cops getting trigger happy on dogs, I hate to read the stories anymore! I was thrilled when I saw the Frederick couple won the law suit against the cop this month!!

If Chris is suddenly correct here, when the guy came around the corner of the house or out the front door to get something from his truck, the fact he was in back playing frisbee with the dog became irrelevant. When the dog came around the corner or out the door threateningly toward the cop, the correctness or incorrectness of the address became irrelevant. The issue facing the cop was dog, threatening, medium sized and not under control of anyone.

If Chris is suddenly correct here, when the guy came around the corner of the house or out the front door to get something from his truck, the fact he was in back playing frisbee with the dog became irrelevant. When the dog came around the corner or out the door threateningly toward the cop, the correctness or incorrectness of the address became irrelevant. The issue facing the cop was dog, threatening, medium sized and not under control of anyone.

The guy didn't know a cop was there. He had no reason to suspect a cop being at his house. Why is it up to the homeowner to do a perimeter check on his own property? He was doing absoutely nothing wrong, and should not be made to feel like it was his fault. The officer knew he screwed up, but showed zero empathy toward the guy.

The dog was barking, and was running up to see what the noise was all about. . Does that mean cops can shoot any barking dog that runs toward them? (I know they can by the wording of the law) If the cop was at the right house (no matter how he got the info) the dog would have had zero reason to run around the house to see who was yelling.

The dog could have easily been controlled, if the cop had given the owner time. If a cop says "freeze, put your hands in the air", are you going to suddenly try and grab your dog?

What blows my mind is that a police officer can show up at your house for a reason or not and if you own a dog that officer has every right to shoot because they feared the dog!

Dogs are nosey by nature, if they see a person ON THEIR area which they call home, sure they are going to go up to that person......thats what dogs do!

What I dont understand is why it is ok for police to shoot for fear but yet a mail man or fedex person has every right to come on your property but if they shoot and kill your dog out of fear, then they get in trouble. Police officers chase criminals everyday and usually the criminal gets tasered.....do they not fear for their life when chasing criminals? or is it just the fear dogs?

I had no idea about that story until I looked it up.

Crazy stuff....saying anything more would make me a cop hater though

Yep and Kudos to the family for suing and even bigger kudos to the jury that found the fools guilty!

Well the officer has been pulled from the streets!!!!! Yay the dogs are safe for a little bit anyway!

APD reviews police in wake of dog shooting - YNN - Your News Now (http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_stories/284248/apd-reviews-police-in-wake-of-dog-shooting)

Well the officer has been pulled from the streets!!!!! Yay the dogs are safe for a little bit anyway!

APD reviews police in wake of dog shooting - YNN - Your News Now (http://austin.ynn.com/content/top_stories/284248/apd-reviews-police-in-wake-of-dog-shooting)

I think the Asst. Police Chief summed it up pretty well.

"Mr. Paxton, you know, through no fault of his own, was contacted by the police and clearly didn't understand what was going on and it resulted in the loss of his dog,” he said. “So if people have just a little bit of patience with us, we will get to the bottom of that and look and find out if our policy and training is sufficient."

Um, no...


No one is trying to convict the cop, and if you think I am, please point to where I said the cop should be punished. I'll wait....

No, but you said this: A similar incident occurred on Sept.11, 2011, and the APD and City Counsil determind that officers should get mandatory training on what to do when encountering pets.

Guess that didn't work out to well...

If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
Not if the civilian was protecting themself.
If a civilian shoots a police dog, it's life in prison.
That is absurd and and out and out lie! Show me the jurisdiction where that is the punishment!
If a cop does it, it's protecting and serving. Then the cops make this citizen (who did nothing wrong) feel as if he is in the wrong (the video says it all). Then, not so much as a sorry from the cop, or the supervisor.
I think the cop was upset that he had to shoot the dog.
This police state is getting out of control.




If the cop had went to the right house to begin with, it never would have happened.
The cop, according to the information provided went to the address he was sent to.

If the cop didn't have his gun drawn at an unarmed man, it's possible that the cop could have used a less than lethal method on the dog.

So a cop should wait until they are met with someone with a gun to draw their gun. Ok corral style right?

The dog was around 40lbs. This wasn't a bull mastiff, or that big bad pitbull everyone hates.

So what? Can I send my 40 lbs sheppard to bite you?

The call went out for a hispanic couple, and the cop holds up a 40 year old white guy?

At the address he was dispatched to.
A dog is a dog...if someone is making threating gestures toward it's owner, what do you think it would do!? The owner is lucky he didn't try and restrain the dog. Sudden movements = being shot.
Adding things which aren't there. If something makes threatening gestures to the cop what do you want him to do?




I don't think you are being completely honest. You are Trayvoning this issue.

I don't think you are being completely honest. You are Trayvoning this issue.

Judging in the video the man took moments after his dog was killed, the police officer didnt appear to feel bad! The police officer gave 3 seconds for the command to get his dog to the time he shot the dog dead.

The officer was wrong......period!

You guys might as well stop arguing over it. The officer will never admit he was wrong because it goes against SOP and it opens law enforcement to an insane amount of court cases against them for every little thing.

Sometimes they do the wrong thing. Sometimes someone will take them to court to prove it and if they do, there is the appropriate punishment, etc.

But they mostly do the right thing.

I can't imagine being scared of an Australian cattle dog but that is because I am familiar with the breed. Then again the most vicious dog I ever met was a chihuahua with an attitude, so size isn't everything.

I used to have one. He was unpredictable and found ways to get loose I never dreamed of. I was dragging his butt home a lot. He was antisocial, meaning I had no clue when he might go over the edge and hurt somebody. I still have nightmares about him getting loose, over 20 years later. Cops make mistakes all the time because they are as human as we are, but sometimes there are dog incidents that are out of character for the dog and incite the average human to use deadly force in return.

Since his loss I've had a number of dogs that never caused the kind of problems he did. I have two very happy small dogs these days.

I don't think you are being completely honest. You are Trayvoning this issue.

Hardly....

Not if the civilian was protecting themself.

Not in Md. You'd be arrested for carrying a handgun (unless you are one of the rare ones that has a CCW permit)

That is absurd and and out and out lie! Show me the jurisdiction where that is the punishment!

Obviously they wouldn't get life, unless it was linked to a much larger crime. People have received years for killing police dogs. Communities have rallied around the police force when a dog gets killed. The dog is not only a party of the force, but a part of it's handler's family.

In most states, killing a police dog is equivalent to killing an officer.

I think the cop was upset that he had to shoot the dog.

So upset he couldn't say sorry, and made the guy feel like it was his fault?

The cop, according to the information provided went to the address he was sent to

What information? We don't know how, or why he went to the wrong house. We just know he did.

So a cop should wait until they are met with someone with a gun to draw their gun. Ok corral style right?

You're just trying to reach for something now....

I never said that, but why did the cop pull his gun on an unarmed man? Would you be ok if a cop held you at gun point during a traffic stop just because he didn't know if you had a gun or not?

Why give police these multiple methods of dealing with situations in a non-lethal manner just to have them walk around gun blazin'? I mean, you never know who may have a gun....

So what? Can I send my 40 lbs sheppard to bite you?

If I came to your house uninvited, sure. I would expect nothing less.

Show me where the guy sent the dog to attack the officer.

At the address he was dispatched to.

Again, how do you know?

If a call goes out saying 2 hispanics are fighting in their front yard. Why hold a white man at gunpoint while he comes from his back yard?

Adding things which aren't there. If something makes threatening gestures to the cop what do you want him to do?


You just said he went there with the address he sent to, but you don't know that for sure, and I'm adding things?

Cops run into difficult situations everyday. I guess you think it's ok to just shoot first, and ask questions later just so the cop wouldn't be harmed? It's the cop's word, against the homeowner/dogowner. The cop said the dog jumped at him, homeowner calls BS.

Should we believe the cop who is afraid of losing his job for using poor judgement in a high stress situation, or the homeowner that went from playing with his dog, to witnessing the dog's murder in front of him?

Hardly....



Not in Md. You'd be arrested for carrying a handgun (unless you are one of the rare ones that has a CCW permit)



Obviously they wouldn't get life, unless it was linked to a much larger crime. People have received years for killing police dogs. Communities have rallied around the police force when a dog gets killed. The dog is not only a party of the force, but a part of it's handler's family.

In most states, killing a police dog is equivalent to killing an officer.



So upset he couldn't say sorry, and made the guy feel like it was his fault?



What information? We don't know how, or why he went to the wrong house. We just know he did.



You're just trying to reach for something now....

I never said that, but why did the cop pull his gun on an unarmed man? Would you be ok if a cop held you at gun point during a traffic stop just because he didn't know if you had a gun or not?



If I came to your house uninvited, sure. I would expect nothing less.

Show me where the guy sent the dog to attack the officer.



Again, how do you know?

If a call goes out saying 2 hispanics are fighting in their front yard. Why hold a white man at gunpoint while he comes from his back yard?



You just said he went there with the address he sent to, but you don't know that for sure, and I'm adding things?

Cops run into difficult situations everyday. I guess you think it's ok to just shoot first, and ask questions later just so the cop wouldn't be harmed? It's the cop's word, against the homeowner/dogowner. The cop said the dog jumped at him, homeowner calls BS.

Should we believe the cop who is afraid of losing his job for using poor judgement in a high stress situation, or the homeowner that went from playing with his dog, to witnessing the dog's murder in front of him?

I think you would have to be there to understand and thus make a judgment. Nobody can experience things fully from a great distance. All concerned should be given a break and any judgment of the situation should be dropped.

I think more training for police officers (every where) on how to respond to residences with dogs would probably be a good idea. I've mentioned on here before being yelled at by a police officer when my black lab (friendly, well behaved, visits schools for reading visits) came to the door with me to answer the officers knock on my door. Mind you the police officer was there because a tractor trailer was stuck in my yard, not exactly a dangerous situation. And yes I am glad it was just yelling and not shooting.

I get that the dogs the police encounter the most often are probably dogs in pretty poor situations and are hostile and aggressive, but maybe they could try and assertain if there are pets first and ask the owners to deal with them (in situations that allow it).

I think you would have to be there to understand and thus make a judgment. Nobody can experience things fully from a great distance. All concerned should be given a break and any judgment of the situation should be dropped.

I know I will continue to pass judgment....police do it all the time!

I know I will continue to pass judgment....police do it all the time!

"Citizens" do it all the time, too - more often. That's why we need cops. There may come a time when you will be grateful for a cop. I've never been one, been busted too many times by them, and respect the H-E-double hockey pucks of them. There are bad cops and there are bad people (and bad animals). Can't judge all by the conduct of a few - or by the flawed conclusions drawn from a few observations. Keep your mind open and especially, listen and watch.

"Citizens" do it all the time, too - more often. That's why we need cops. There may come a time when you will be grateful for a cop. I've never been one, been busted too many times by them, and respect the H-E-double hockey pucks of them. There are bad cops and there are bad people (and bad animals). Can't judge all by the conduct of a few - or by the flawed conclusions drawn from a few observations. Keep your mind open and especially, listen and watch.

I am friends with many police officers! I know ones that do warrant service and I know ones that are patrol officers, two that are K9 officers and I know some that are investigators.....Not one of the ones I know have ever shot a dog! If any would I would expect the warrant officers.....but nope nada one has! I know there are bad cops, and there are SEVERAL good cops, but I am tired of hearing about a police officer fearing for his life and shots and kills a family pet. Obviously without a doubt a dog will approach anyone that comes in their yard, that is a given and a police officer should expect it. I think police need to be better trained on how to handle calls where there are dogs in the home.

Hardly....



Not in Md. You'd be arrested for carrying a handgun (unless you are one of the rare ones that has a CCW permit)
You said nothing about ccw in the post I wrote about. You were talking about animal cruelty. I think the cop has a permit to carry his gun!


Obviously they wouldn't get life, unless it was linked to a much larger crime. People have received years for killing police dogs. Communities have rallied around the police force when a dog gets killed. The dog is not only a party of the force, but a part of it's handler's family.

Then why did you say they would? Trayvoning again!
In most states, killing a police dog is equivalent to killing an officer.

Most states? B.S! More wrong speculation and lies!

So upset he couldn't say sorry, and made the guy feel like it was his fault?

He seemed upset to me.

What information? We don't know how, or why he went to the wrong house. We just know he did.

Because that is what was written in the articles YOU posted!

You're just trying to reach for something now....

I never said that, but why did the cop pull his gun on an unarmed man? Would you be ok if a cop held you at gun point during a traffic stop just because he didn't know if you had a gun or not?

I have had that happen. The officer later explained due to the area I was in and the circumstances he was making sure he was safe. I was ok with it.

Why give police these multiple methods of dealing with situations in a non-lethal manner just to have them walk around gun blazin'? I mean, you never know who may have a gun....

The cop had three seconds to react!

If I came to your house uninvited, sure. I would expect nothing less.

Show me where the guy sent the dog to attack the officer.

I didn't say the guy sent the dog. I said if you came to my house, is it ok if I send my dog to attack you?

Again, how do you know?

If a call goes out saying 2 hispanics are fighting in their front yard. Why hold a white man at gunpoint while he comes from his back yard?

Do you think all Hispanics are brown? I have hispanic relatives and they look just like me. They favor their mother.

You just said he went there with the address he sent to, but you don't know that for sure, and I'm adding things?

Yes I do.

Cops run into difficult situations everyday. I guess you think it's ok to just shoot first, and ask questions later just so the cop wouldn't be harmed? It's the cop's word, against the homeowner/dogowner. The cop said the dog jumped at him, homeowner calls BS.

Should we believe the cop who is afraid of losing his job for using poor judgement in a high stress situation, or the homeowner that went from playing with his dog, to witnessing the dog's murder in front of him?

I believe the cop because his story fits the audio on the recording. The cop didn't just shoot first. On the recording the owner agreed the dog was going after the cop. The homeowner just said the dog wouldn't have bit him.

You said nothing about ccw in the post I wrote about. You were talking about animal cruelty. I think the cop has a permit to carry his gun!

We're talking about civilians here.

"If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
Not if the civilian was protecting themself."

How would a CIVILIAN be able to shoot someone elses dog with out carrying a gun outside of their home?

Then why did you say they would? Trayvoning again!

Ok, so I over exaggerated on the amount of time someone would spend in jail. Is it possible? Yes. Likely? No. A sentence of 4-10 years is about the norm. You sure as hell wouldn't be going to work the next day.

Most states? B.S! More wrong speculation and lies!

If you say so....

Even the Erie, PA police department says a K-9 is equivalant to 5 officers in a volatile situation. Dogs are given a badge, and sometimes ballistic vests. Why is it so hard to believe that it's a felony to kill a police dog?

He seemed upset to me.

On what grounds? The cop saying "Why wasn't he on a leash"?

Because that is what was written in the articles YOU posted!

I must have missed that part. Do you mind copying and pasting?

I have had that happen. The officer later explained due to the area I was in and the circumstances he was making sure he was safe. I was ok with it.

Well then, who needs OC spray, batons, or tazers? By your reasoning, the cops can, and should pull their gun whenever possible to avoid any potential conflicts?

YOU may be ok with it, but it doesn't make it ok.

The cop had three seconds to react!

So, the cop couldn't make a decision to use a less than lethal method ok a dog? Good thing the guy didn't come runnign around the corner! Why even train officers to make crucial decisions in a crunch when they can just shoot the threat?

I didn't say the guy sent the dog. I said if you came to my house, is it ok if I send my dog to attack you?


I said yes, because I was on your property.

How is that relevant to the story?

Do you think all Hispanics are brown? I have hispanic relatives and they look just like me. They favor their mother.

No, but does your family live in TX? The hispanic friends I have in TX don't look like me.

Yes I do.

Please, post the link to this info. I have yet to find where it says the cop was given wrong info. Either by dispatch, or the homeowner.

I believe the cop because his story fits the audio on the recording. The cop didn't just shoot first. On the recording the owner agreed the dog was going after the cop. The homeowner just said the dog wouldn't have bit him.

So does the homeowner's story....why discount that?

I am friends with many police officers! I know ones that do warrant service and I know ones that are patrol officers, two that are K9 officers and I know some that are investigators.....Not one of the ones I know have ever shot a dog! If any would I would expect the warrant officers.....but nope nada one has! I know there are bad cops, and there are SEVERAL good cops, but I am tired of hearing about a police officer fearing for his life and shots and kills a family pet. Obviously without a doubt a dog will approach anyone that comes in their yard, that is a given and a police officer should expect it. I think police need to be better trained on how to handle calls where there are dogs in the home.

Ask your friends what they would do in this situation. Ask them if a dog was running, barking at them and they had their gun drawn, would they shoot.

With all due respect, I think the guy was in his backyard playing, then went around fron to get something out of his truck.

At the same time, the cop is walking up, sees this man, and holds him at gunpoint. That's when the dog ran from around the house.

Maybe so.....I just heard he was playing with the dog. I get so disgusted when I hear about cops getting trigger happy on dogs, I hate to read the stories anymore! I was thrilled when I saw the Frederick couple won the law suit against the cop this month!!Another kook heard from!! :crazy: Why bother reading and getting the facts when you can just bash the police because you want to??

Folks, here we have our animal nutties at their best. All we need to make it complete is for Katelin to chime in and bash the cops too! :yay:

Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts!! We's gots our opinions!! :killingme

Another kook heard from!! :crazy: Why bother reading and getting the facts when you can just bash the police because you want to??

Folks, here we have our animal nutties at their best. All we need to make it complete is for Katelin to chime in and bash the cops too! :yay:

Facts?? We don't need no stinkin facts!! We's gots our opinions!! :killingme

Coming from you I thinks its:killingme You think I am nuts but I long ago made that decision about you!

I am passionate about animals Mike.....you know that!!!

Ask your friends what they would do in this situation. Ask them if a dog was running, barking at them and they had their gun drawn, would they shoot.

You say that, like it has never happened to them before! It has happened to them, but they have not ever shot a dog. I had many a discussion with them when Christopher Long shot and Kill Max a few years back......

I don't hate cops. I hate corruption, coverups, and lies.

Not that it matters. He's just lonely, and needs someone to pick on to make his life a bit more enjoyable. It's ok Freefaller....:love:



we have residents here that do the same thing .......

Coming from you I thinks its:killingme You think I am nuts but I long ago made that decision about you!

I am passionate about animals Mike.....you know that!!!I know you are as am I but it amazes me that people can decide what a cop should have done yet they weren't even within 500 miles of the situation and don't bother to even read the poorly written and fact omitting articles.

All I ask is if someone wants to have a police bashing session, at least have all the facts and not a bunch of pathetic articles written by 20 year old political activists.

And when presented with the facts, admit they're wrong and move on. :smoochy:

You say that, like it has never happened to them before! It has happened to them, but they have not ever shot a dog. I had many a discussion with them when Christopher Long shot and Kill Max a few years back......

Right...Max...the poor dog who the owner said would never bite anyone, so ther hysteria from everybody was same as it is here...but then everybody glossed over the fact that poor old Max had bitten a neighbor the year before. Sounds right.

We're talking about civilians here.

"If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
Not if the civilian was protecting themself."

Why is it animal cruelty if the dog is attacking the person?

How would a CIVILIAN be able to shoot someone elses dog with out carrying a gun outside of their home?

It is legal to carry a shotgun outside of your home.



Ok, so I over exaggerated on the amount of time someone would spend in jail. Is it possible? Yes. Likely? No. A sentence of 4-10 years is about the norm. You sure as hell wouldn't be going to work the next day.



If you say so....

Even the Erie, PA police department says a K-9 is equivalant to 5 officers in a volatile situation. Dogs are given a badge, and sometimes ballistic vests. Why is it so hard to believe that it's a felony to kill a police dog?

You didn't say felony. You said same penalty as killing a police officer. I call B.S. Prove it! You can't!

On what grounds? The cop saying "Why wasn't he on a leash"?

His tone and demeanor.


I must have missed that part. Do you mind copying and pasting?

Read it again.

Well then, who needs OC spray, batons, or tazers? By your reasoning, the cops can, and should pull their gun whenever possible to avoid any potential conflicts?

I never said that.

YOU may be ok with it, but it doesn't make it ok.

It depends on who is saying it. The law says it's ok.

So, the cop couldn't make a decision to use a less than lethal method ok a dog? Good thing the guy didn't come runnign around the corner! Why even train officers to make crucial decisions in a crunch when they can just shoot the threat?

The guy did come running around the corner. He stopped when the cop pointed a gun. Too bad the dog was too stupid and didn't do the same.

I said yes, because I was on your property.

How is that relevant to the story?



No, but does your family live in TX? The hispanic friends I have in TX don't look like me.

Yes, I have family who lives in Texas. They have been living there for about six years. They live just outside of Dallas.

Please, post the link to this info. I have yet to find where it says the cop was given wrong info. Either by dispatch, or the homeowner.



So does the homeowner's story....why discount that?

Because the homeowner agreed that the dog was charging at the officer. He just said that the dog wouldn't have bitten him.

You guys might as well stop arguing over it.

Actually, I think we came to a mutual agreement/opinion on the situation and don't think we were arguing. :cds::geek::buddies:

We're talking about civilians here.

"If a civilian went on someone's property and shot their dog, it's animal cruelty.
Not if the civilian was protecting themself."

How would a CIVILIAN be able to shoot someone elses dog with out carrying a gun outside of their home?


You got me there, if you don't carry a gun, you can't shoot it. :yahoo::dye: Sorry, couldn't help that one.

Some of us do have weapon carry permits. Albeit MD it's a little tougher to get one, but they will fold soon to the inevitable right to carry tide, with proper training and background check.

And when presented with the facts, admit they're wrong and move on. :smoochy:

Speaking of facts, is it true that even the White House weighed in on this matter? Something about wanting to know what was done with the dog afterward?

Or did I hear it incorrectly maybe...?:coffee:

Speaking of facts, is it true that even the White House weighed in on this matter? Something about wanting to know what was done with the dog afterward?

Or did I hear it incorrectly maybe...?:coffee::killingme I dunno but I saw a Heinz 57 delivery truck leaving the WH. :jet:

:killingme I dunno but I saw a Heinz 57 delivery truck leaving the WH. :jet:

:cds:

You got me there, if you don't carry a gun, you can't shoot it. :yahoo::dye: Sorry, couldn't help that one.

Some of us do have weapon carry permits. Albeit MD it's a little tougher to get one, but they will fold soon to the inevitable right to carry tide, with proper training and background check.

I wish MD would stop waisting taxpayer money to fight the inevitable.

Oh well, only a few more weeks and my Utah CCW should be here. I'll be able to carry in pretty much every state surrounding MD....except MD

:bigwhoop:

Speaking of facts, is it true that even the White House weighed in on this matter? Something about wanting to know what was done with the dog afterward?

Or did I hear it incorrectly maybe...?:coffee:

:killingme I dunno but I saw a Heinz 57 delivery truck leaving the WH. :jet:

:killingme

I have to admit....that was pretty funny

[QUOTE=Chris0nllyn;4808175]I wish MD would stop waisting taxpayer money to fight the inevitable. I agree!


Oh well, only a few more weeks and my Utah CCW should be here. I'll be able to carry in pretty much every state surrounding MD....except MD

Should I worry?:roflmao:

Should I worry?:roflmao:

It's usually the guys that don't apply for permits that you have to worry about.

It's usually the guys that don't apply for permits that you have to worry about.

I'll have to give you that one!

Chief apologizes for Cisco's death | KXAN.com (http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/chief-apologizes-for-ciscos-death)

At least someone apologized. The friggin cop is heard snapping at the owner "Why wasn't he on a leash?", like it is the owners fault. He was in his own yard! Everything that happened was a direct result of the cops actions, yet he had absolutely no remorse or empathy. Ridiculous. The only thing he could say was "Talk to my supervisor". So he's tough enough to shoot a small dog, but not tough enough to talk to the owner man-to-man.

So the police force tells the public in 2010 that they will start educating officers....and in 2012 there is no such training? Lovely.

Chief apologizes for Cisco's death | KXAN.com (http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/local/austin/chief-apologizes-for-ciscos-death)

At least someone apologized. The friggin cop is heard snapping at the owner "Why wasn't he on a leash?", like it is the owners fault. He was in his own yard! Everything that happened was a direct result of the cops actions, yet he had absolutely no remorse or empathy. Ridiculous. The only thing he could say was "Talk to my supervisor". So he's tough enough to shoot a small dog, but not tough enough to talk to the owner man-to-man.

So the police force tells the public in 2010 that they will start educating officers....and in 2012 there is no such training? Lovely.

A dog running loose in the owner's yard is OK only as long as it's inside a fence, right?

A dog running loose in the owner's yard is OK only as long as it's inside a fence, right?

Do you have an electric meter in the backyard? Or anything else needed to be serviced/read by outside the home people (good name isn't it :killingme)? I'm sure it would come down to judge to rule on specific situation.

Cop Shoots Dog: Untrained Officers Commit 'Puppycide' (PHOTOS) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/cop-shoots-dog-puppycide_n_1446841.html#s897286&title=Rosie)

At the bottom are pictures, and accounts of police shooting owner's dogs.

When a neighbor spotted Rosie, a Newfoundland, running into traffic in November 2010, she called the police to come help the dog. Officers from the Des Moines, Wash., Police Department said that when they cornered the dog in a neighbor's backyard, she appeared threatening. One officer shot her four times, killing her. The neighbor in whose backyard Rosie was shot told KOMO news, "I was shocked to see an assault rifle. I was shocked to see three police officers aiming their guns at a dog that was a huge dog, but I mean the dog was no threat." The officers were cleared of wrongdoing.

Training: A police spokesman wouldn't say if officers get dog-related training, saying only that the department always calls the city animal control department to handle calls involving dogs. He wouldn't say why animal control wasn't called in this case.

When John Espinoza of Lubbock, Texas, found intruders in his garage in July 2011, he chased the criminals down the street. In the commotion, the family dog, a Saint Bernard named Payton, escaped from the house. When police officers arrived to investigate, Payton ran out of the garage to greet them. The police shot her in the head, in front of Espinoza, his wife, and their two daughters. Police then refused the family's request to bury their pet, calling animal services to dispose of Payton's body. Police told local media outlets that it is standard procedure for officers to use deadly force if an animal endangers them.

Training: Sgt. Frank Picon of the Lubbock Police Department told HuffPost that officers get no specific training related to dogs. Be it dogs or humans, common sense dictates when an officer should use lethal force, Picon said.

When Bollinger County, Mo., Sheriff's Deputy Kelly Barks received permission to search the home of a man arrested for domestic abuse in March 2011, she found three dogs growling at her. She mistakenly believed one of the dogs, a chihuahua, had bitten her, so she shot it. After discovering she actually hadn't been bitten, Barks shot the dog twice more, the last time as the dog retreated to its kennel. Barks later resigned. In response, the Bollinger County Sheriff Leo McElrath said he would add new training for his deputies.

(Note: Photo is not of the chihuahua from the story.)

Training: The Bollinger County Sheriff's Department did not return HuffPost's request for information.

In December 2010, a police officer who had responded to a complaint in a Jonesboro, Ga., subdivision walked past the King family home on his way back to his car when Buddy, the Kings' golden retriever, leaped from the porch. Buddy was kept in his yard by an invisible fence. The officer, who said Buddy was "barking and running," fatally shot the dog. A neighbor who witnessed the shooting told ABC News Buddy was "not an attack dog. He's a golden retriever and that's it. I've known this dog since he was a puppy."

The officer was cleared of wrongdoing.

Training: The Clayton County Police Department did not return HuffPost's queries.

In 2008 Dixie, a 2-year-old sheepdog, was playing in her family's yard when police arrived to serve legal papers. Officers asked family members to restrain the dog. They complied by shutting Dixie inside the home. A few minutes later, the owner's 2 year-old niece pushed open a door, and Dixie ran outside. While two children watched, the deputies shot the dog. The person the officers sought no longer lived at the address.

A Charles County police spokesperson defended the officers: "It is unfortunate that the accidental release of the dog, when a child opened the door, resulted in a situation where an officer felt his safety was threatened."

Training: The police department did not respond to requests for information about training.

When the Bullock family returned home from a funeral in June 2009, they discovered their pet chihuahua mix Jack dead on their porch, along with a note to call the police in Blue Ash County, Ohio. The Bullocks had inadvertently had left Jack outside. When police officers arrived to corral the seven-pound dog, he bit one officer. Another officer jolted Jack with a Tazer, then shot the dog three times. The Bullocks were fined $100 for violating the city's vicious dog ordinance.

Training: Blue Ash County police did not answer requests for training information.

In June 2009, a Danville, Va., police officer serving two warrants at a neighboring house shot and killed "Killer," a miniature dachshund that, despite his name, neighbors described as a "sweet, mild-mannered dog." Owner Tawaiin Harper says Killer's killer was leaning against his squad car smoking a cigarette after the incident, and refused to provide his name or badge number. The officer's supervisor later apologized.

Danville Police Chief Philip Broadfoot also wouldn't name the officer, but said in a press release that upon returning to his squad car after serving the warrants, the officer noticed the 11-pound dog running toward him, "leaving him with just seconds to consider his options." Instead of getting into his car, the officer shot the dog, which Broadfoot added, is "within the department's policy."

Training: Danville police did not answer requests for training information.

Bubba was a 7-year-old Labrador-springer spaniel mix who played with neighborhood children and worked in a local nursing home. In 2004, while Bubba and his owner were entertaining friends in his backyard, Milwaukee officers approached looking for a wanted man. The dog jumped the three-foot fence to greet them and officers shot him twice.

Police said Bubba was acting aggressively. Seven witnesses said the dog retreated to the bushes and whimpered toward his owner before officers fired two more times, killing him. Police wrote Bubba's owner a $122 ticket for allowing the dog to run loose.

In a 2008 lawsuit against the city, Bubba's owner discovered that Milwaukee police shoot and kill about 40 dogs a year.

Training: A Milwaukee police spokesman told HuffPost that animal control officials give officers tips on dealing with animals. Officers are taught to differentiate between an aggressive dog and a territorial dog, police said.

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