Where does the soul go when the body passes?

How interesting that you posted this here now. I read a very interesting article at the beginning of the week concerning this very thing so I'm going to throw the link out here for discussion if anyone wants to tackle it.

Robert Lanza, M.D.: Does Death Exist? New Theory Says 'No' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-death-exist-new-theo_b_384515.html)

Where does the soul go when the body passes?

THAT ought to get 'em going! :popcorn:

THAT ought to get 'em going! :popcorn:

I figured..... right?

I'm looking for Biblical responses....

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Where does the soul go when the body passes?

The Soul Train? :shrug:

I figured..... right?

I'm looking for Biblical responses....

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These are just two that come to mind.

Remember him—before the silver cord is severed, and the golden bowl is broken; before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, and the wheel broken at the well, and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. - Ecclesiastes. 12:6-7

Jesus said to the thief on the cross “Today you will be with me in Paradise.” - Luke 23:43

I figured..... right?

I'm looking for Biblical responses....

:coffee:

My apologies for posting science and physics. You didn't specify this in your original post.

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I'll start a new thread for the article later this weekend as I think it would be fun to discuss and I don't want to hijack your thread since you're looking for something specific.

I figured..... right?

I'm looking for Biblical responses....

:coffee:

That will really limit the response

Where does the soul go when the body passes?

Home....

Where does the soul go when the body passes?

To the nearest "soul food" establishment of their own choice; one that serves devil's food cake for dessert or the one that serves angel food cake for dessert.



(Jesus said) Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
(Matthew 10:28)

Frisbeetarians believe that the soul goes up on the roof and you can't get it down.

Frisbeetarians believe that the soul goes up on the roof and you can't get it down.

Fisholics believe the soul is that one that got away.

Where does the soul go when the body passes?


If we go according to the Bible then the body and soul are the exact same thing.

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." KJV.

As such the body dies means that the soul dies too as they are both the same thing.

Later the Bible tells of a future resurrection where the body and soul are to rise from the dead - not from the living but rise from the dead.

The idea that the soul is some separate from the body type of spirit is not a true Bible doctrine.

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Where does the soul go when the body passes?
The Bible says: If one is a true believer in Jesus, their soul/spirit goes to Heaven to be with God. If one is not a true believer, their soul/spirit goes to "Hades" which is a place similar to Hell. Hades is where the lost souls stay until the final judgment.

The Bible also makes it clear that the souls & the bodies of everyone that ever lived will be raised up and reunited. At the end of the world, the true believers will be raised up first and, after a period of time (the thousand years), the unbelievers will be raised up and judged. If you want actual verses, I can give them...

Where does the soul go when the body passes?

It goes here....back to where it came from....God (http://www.twanight.org/newTWAN/news/6071-12.jpg)....or so I believe...








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Okay. Here's a Biblical response, not the result of my own knowledge, but consistent with my beliefs, harvested from "The Bible Scholar" web site:

“The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.” Gen. 2:7
Referring to the physical body Solomon states “For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.” Eccl. 3:19-20
He then states in Ecclesiastes. 12:6-7 when speaking of both the body and spirit “ Remember him-before the silver cord is severed, or the golden bowl is broken; before the pitcher is shattered at the spring, or the wheel broken at the well, and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. (NIV)
If a man dies, shall he live again? Job 14:14
From our experiences in life it is easy for us to understand the truth that when a person dies, his body begins its decay back into dust. But what about a man's spirit? Where does it go at death? This study presents a couple of possible answers derived from Scripture. Then it answers the most critical question: "What must I do to be saved from my sins and receive forgiveness and eternal life?"

WHERE WILL YOU GO WHEN YOU DIE?

Surely the greatest comfort for us as we face the end of our days on this earth is the knowledge of where we will go when we die. What will happen to us? Will we still exist even without a physical body? The answers to these questions can only be answered by God and I believe He has answered them in His word to us, the Bible. We are not left in the dark about the unseen world that awaits us.
So where does a person go when he dies? There are several ideas from different theological perspectives but one of the most logical ones, based on reasoning from several scriptures, is that all people go to Hades when they die. Hades is understood to be the unseen abode of the spirits of the dead as they await the return of the Lord and the resurrection. Consider these scriptures and then follow them to their reasoned conclusion:

1. Luke 23:43 - Jesus said to the thief on the cross “Today you will be with me in Paradise.” So Jesus went immediately to Paradise when he died.

2. Acts 2:27,31 “For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption … he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.” Jesus died and while his physical body reposed in the tomb, he (his soul) went to Hades (the unseen world of the dead). He did not remain in Hades, however. On the third day he returned from Hades, being raised from the dead.

3. Luke 16 and the story of the rich man and Lazarus - "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom … Abraham said, … between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us. ”

I would like to suggest the possibility, that, based on various scriptures, this scenario changed dramatically when Jesus arose from the dead. I would suggest that since the resurrection of Jesus, the souls of the saved who die go directly to heaven instead of going to Hades. According to this idea, all the saved who had already died and were in the Paradise side of Hades, left Hades and went with Jesus to Heaven. The lost remain in Hades awaiting the Day of Judgment. Since the resurrection, those Christians who die now go directly to heaven instead of going to Hades. If correct, this interpretation could explain several Scriptures:
Before reading these scriptures, though, we must recognize that, in order to understand what the Bible says, we must understand the words used. Usually, the best way to define a word is to see how it is used in the Bible.
DEATH- the cessation of life. Physical death is defined as the physical body ceasing to function - heart, lungs, brain, etc.
James 2:26 – “the body without the spirit is dead”. Death is when the spirit abandons the body.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 “Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.”

2 Peter 1:13, 14,15 “Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease.”

Luke 23:46 “And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, ‘Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.' Having said this, He breathed His last.”
GRAVE -is the tomb or something that marks the tomb, that is, the place where the dead body is placed.
HADES -from the Greek word “aidos” meaning “not seen” or “not known”. It is the unseen world of the spirits of those who are dead. It corresponds to the Hebrew word “sheol”.
Matthew 11:23 "And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”

Matthew 16:18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”

Luke 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”
Acts 2:27 “For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.”
Acts 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.”

Revelation 1:18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”
Revelation 6:8 “So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.”
Rev 20:13,14 “The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
SHEOL
Gen 37:35 “And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, ’For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning.’ Thus his father wept for him.”
Num 16:33 “So they and all those with them went down alive into the pit; the earth closed over them, and they
perished from among the assembly.”
Job 17:16 “Will they go down to the gates of Sheol? Shall we have rest together in the dust?"
Psalm 49:15 “But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah”
Prov 9:18 “But he does not know that the dead are there, That her guests are in the depths of hell.”

Isaiah 14:9 "Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations.”
Isaiah 28:15 “Because you have said, ‘We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.’"
Jonah 2:2 “And he said: "I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction, And He answered me. ‘Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice.’”
Ezekiel 32:21 “The strong among the mighty Shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with those who help him: 'They have gone down, They lie with the uncircumcised, slain by th esword.'
Some confusion exists because not all translations consistently translate “aidos” as “hades”.
Some erroneously translate it as “hell”. All of the references above have the word “aidos” (hades) or its Old Testament equivalent “sheol”
HELL - from the Hebrew “geenna” meaning the valley of Hinnon or valley of lamentation. This was a valley outside the city of Jerusalem where the Jews sacrificed their children to the god Moloch, throwing them into the fiery furnace. The New Testament uses the word to describe the eternal destiny of the damned but never for the present state of the dead.
Now, if it be true that, since the resurrection, Christians who die now go directly to heaven instead of going to Hades, this could explain several Scriptures:
1. Matthew 16:18 - Jesus promised “…I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.” Hades is seen as a type of prison. That means that those in Hades are not free to leave at will. A dead person cannot return to life by his own will power. Imagine Hades as a place with doors to enter and to leave, but the exit door or gate was closed. Jesus promised that the doors of Hades would not prevail against the church (the saved people). If today, the gates of Hades do not prevail against the church, then the church is not held bound or prisoner there. Christians who pass on are not held captive in the place of the dead. When Jesus left Hades on the third day, he left the exit doors open on the good side of Hades (Paradise).
2. Ephesians 4:8,9 - speaking of the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, “When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive…” Jesus died, was buried, descended to Hades, but was resurrected and ascended to heaven, taking with him the saved who had been held captive in Hades. Imagine Jesus exiting Hades, leaving the gates open on thegood side and the saved of Hades leaving with him, also going up to Heaven.
3.All this agrees with the desire of Paul (Philippians 1:23) “to depart and be with Christ.” His hope, upon dying, was not to go to Hades where Jesus is no longer to be found. To be with Christ, Paul would have to go to Heaven, where Christ is. See the same hope in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9-10.
4. In the sixth seal of Revelation 6:9, John saw the souls of martyred Christians that were under the altar and that altar was in front of God’s throne in heaven (Revelation 8:3). These martyrs were not in Hades but in heaven.
5. Jesus promised that those who live and believe in him would never die. (John 11: 25,26). Since the resurrection, those who live and believe in Jesus don’t die! Even though their physical bodies quit working and have to be discarded, their souls or spirits do not go to the place of the dead (Hades) but go directly to Heaven to be with the Christ who declared, “I am the way, the truth and the life” (John 14:6).
6. If the saved in Christ who already died are with him in heaven, then I Thessalonians 4:14 makes sense when it says that when Jesus returns, he will bring in His company those who sleep in him. The souls of Christians, when their physical bodies die, go to be with Jesus in heaven where they will remain until His coming. They will return with him and receive, at the resurrection, their new, glorious, immortal bodies.
7. In 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, Paul spoke of a man who was caught up to the third heaven, that is, to Paradise. For the Jews, in the Bible, the first heaven meant the atmosphere, the second heaven meant outer space and the third heaven was God’s dwelling place. The third heaven, God’s dwelling place, is here called Paradise, the same word Jesus used with the repentant thief on the cross (“Today, you will be with me in Paradise”). It is as if Jesus, leaving the Paradise side of Hades, transferred Paradise from Hades to Heaven. Before the resurrection, Paradise was a part of Hades but is now a part of Heaven.
8.This may explain why Steven, dying for the gospel (Acts 7:54-60), said “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit”. When he died, his request was granted - Jesus received his spirit. Today, the spirit of Steven is in heaven with Jesus.
And so the true Christian, today, at the moment of his death, may also say “Lord, Jesus, Receive my spirit.” trusting full well that He will.


Taken from The Bible Way Online (http://www.thebiblewayonline.com)

Acts 2:27,31 “For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption … he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.” Jesus died and while his physical body reposed in the tomb, he (his soul) went to Hades (the unseen world of the dead). He did not remain in Hades, however. On the third day he returned from Hades, being raised from the dead.


The above quoted Bible verse is another place showing the "soul" and the human body are both the same thing, because "Hades" simply means the grave as in burying a dead body in the ground - Hades is a Greek word for "the grave", see link HERE (http://www.logosapostolic.org/greek_word_studies/86_adhj_hades_hell.htm).

And that is told best in this line - "His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption" as in the body of Jesus did not decay as in "see corruption" while in His grave. If the "soul" was not the physical body then it could not decay for Jesus or for any dead body.

And it is even better told in verse 29 which was conveniently left out of the quoted posting above, which read as this:

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
KJV, Acts 2:29 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202:26-32&version=KJV)

So in that same text content and context it is saying that David is dead and buried (in the Hades / the grave) as it is with any dead soul.

And the old English language used the word "soul" as meaning persons, as was done by Shakespeare and done by the real King James I (http://www.britroyals.com/kings.asp?id=james1) of Great Britain.

Link = The absurd concept of an immortal soul. (http://www.wrestedscriptures.com/b01immortality/immortal_soul_absurdities.html)

Jesus rising from the dead was a demonstration of a body resurrection, as in rising from the DEAD.

See - "if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:" 1 Corinthians 15:12-26 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2015:12-26&version=KJV)

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Just HAD to stir it up, eh, JP? :lol: Have fun with the others.:popcorn: Your view of it doesn't bother me, right or wrong.:1bdz:

Just HAD to stir it up, eh, JP? :lol: Have fun with the others.:popcorn: Your view of it doesn't bother me, right or wrong.:1bdz:


I am happy to stir up things - yes indeed, but you and I differ greatly on your disregard of right from wrong, because I put super high regard on right from wrong.

What troubles me is that the 2nd posting of this thread gave a truly credible and very cool link with an interesting perspective which was quickly and very rudely shot down by the opening poster, and as such it appears that both you and she have that one thing in common - which is a disregard of right from wrong, along with a distinctive appetite for being rude and inconsiderate.

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I am happy to stir up things - yes indeed, but you and I differ greatly on your disregard of right from wrong, because I put super high regard on right from wrong.

What troubles me is that the 2nd posting of this thread gave a truly credible and very cool link with an interesting perspective which was quickly and very rudely shot down by the opening poster, and as such it appears that both you and she have that one thing in common - which is a disregard of right from wrong, along with a distinctive appetite for being rude and inconsiderate.

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I actually agree with JP - that Hades means the grave.

The Bible teaches that there are two levels of the graves - hell for those unsaved who will be in torment forever, and paradise for the saved - at the bosum of Abraham (i.e. Jesus).

Two separate locations, but apparently within sight of each other, although never to be crossed from one to the other - Luke 16:23-31.

I've always called hades/sheol/grave a temporary holding cell with two separate compartments - one for believers and one for unbelievers.

I would like to suggest the possibility, that, based on various scriptures, this scenario changed dramatically when Jesus arose from the dead. I would suggest that since the resurrection of Jesus, the souls of the saved who die go directly to heaven instead of going to Hades. According to this idea, all the saved who had already died and were in the Paradise side of Hades, left Hades and went with Jesus to Heaven. The lost remain in Hades awaiting the Day of Judgment. Since the resurrection, those Christians who die now go directly to heaven instead of going to Hades. If correct, this interpretation could explain several Scriptures:
Before reading these scriptures, though, we must recognize that, in order to understand what the Bible says, we must understand the words used. Usually, the best way to define a word is to see how it is used in the Bible.
DEATH- the cessation of life. Physical death is defined as the physical body ceasing to function - heart, lungs, brain, etc.
James 2:26 – “the body without the spirit is dead”. Death is when the spirit abandons the body.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 “Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.”

2 Peter 1:13, 14,15 “Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease.”

Luke 23:46 “And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, ‘Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit.' Having said this, He breathed His last.”
GRAVE -is the tomb or something that marks the tomb, that is, the place where the dead body is placed.
HADES -from the Greek word “aidos” meaning “not seen” or “not known”. It is the unseen world of the spirits of those who are dead. It corresponds to the Hebrew word “sheol”.
Matthew 11:23 "And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”

Matthew 16:18 "And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.”

Luke 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”
Acts 2:27 “For You will not leave my soul in Hades, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.”
Acts 2:31 "he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.”

Revelation 1:18 "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.”
Revelation 6:8 “So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.”
Rev 20:13,14 “The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”
SHEOL
Gen 37:35 “And all his sons and all his daughters arose to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted, and he said, ’For I shall go down into the grave to my son in mourning.’ Thus his father wept for him.”
Num 16:33 “So they and all those with them went down alive into the pit; the earth closed over them, and they
perished from among the assembly.”
Job 17:16 “Will they go down to the gates of Sheol? Shall we have rest together in the dust?"
Psalm 49:15 “But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah”
Prov 9:18 “But he does not know that the dead are there, That her guests are in the depths of hell.”

Isaiah 14:9 "Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations.”
Isaiah 28:15 “Because you have said, ‘We have made a covenant with death, And with Sheol we are in agreement. When the overflowing scourge passes through, It will not come to us, For we have made lies our refuge, And under falsehood we have hidden ourselves.’"
Jonah 2:2 “And he said: "I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction, And He answered me. ‘Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice.’”
Ezekiel 32:21 “The strong among the mighty Shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with those who help him: 'They have gone down, They lie with the uncircumcised, slain by th esword.'
Some confusion exists because not all translations consistently translate “aidos” as “hades”.
Some erroneously translate it as “hell”. All of the references above have the word “aidos” (hades) or its Old Testament equivalent “sheol”
HELL - from the Hebrew “geenna” meaning the valley of Hinnon or valley of lamentation. This was a valley outside the city of Jerusalem where the Jews sacrificed their children to the god Moloch, throwing them into the fiery furnace. The New Testament uses the word to describe the eternal destiny of the damned but never for the present state of the dead.
Now, if it be true that, since the resurrection, Christians who die now go directly to heaven instead of going to Hades, this could explain several Scriptures:
1. Matthew 16:18 - Jesus promised “…I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.” Hades is seen as a type of prison. That means that those in Hades are not free to leave at will. A dead person cannot return to life by his own will power. Imagine Hades as a place with doors to enter and to leave, but the exit door or gate was closed. Jesus promised that the doors of Hades would not prevail against the church (the saved people). If today, the gates of Hades do not prevail against the church, then the church is not held bound or prisoner there. Christians who pass on are not held captive in the place of the dead. When Jesus left Hades on the third day, he left the exit doors open on the good side of Hades (Paradise).
2. Ephesians 4:8,9 - speaking of the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, “When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive…” Jesus died, was buried, descended to Hades, but was resurrected and ascended to heaven, taking with him the saved who had been held captive in Hades. Imagine Jesus exiting Hades, leaving the gates open on thegood side and the saved of Hades leaving with him, also going up to Heaven.
3.All this agrees with the desire of Paul (Philippians 1:23) “to depart and be with Christ.” His hope, upon dying, was not to go to Hades where Jesus is no longer to be found. To be with Christ, Paul would have to go to Heaven, where Christ is. See the same hope in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9-10.
4. In the sixth seal of Revelation 6:9, John saw the souls of martyred Christians that were under the altar and that altar was in front of God’s throne in heaven (Revelation 8:3). These martyrs were not in Hades but in heaven.
5. Jesus promised that those who live and believe in him would never die. (John 11: 25,26). Since the resurrection, those who live and believe in Jesus don’t die! Even though their physical bodies quit working and have to be discarded, their souls or spirits do not go to the place of the dead (Hades) but go directly to Heaven to be with the Christ who declared, “I am the way, the truth and the life” (John 14:6).
6. If the saved in Christ who already died are with him in heaven, then I Thessalonians 4:14 makes sense when it says that when Jesus returns, he will bring in His company those who sleep in him. The souls of Christians, when their physical bodies die, go to be with Jesus in heaven where they will remain until His coming. They will return with him and receive, at the resurrection, their new, glorious, immortal bodies.
7. In 2 Corinthians 12:2-4, Paul spoke of a man who was caught up to the third heaven, that is, to Paradise. For the Jews, in the Bible, the first heaven meant the atmosphere, the second heaven meant outer space and the third heaven was God’s dwelling place. The third heaven, God’s dwelling place, is here called Paradise, the same word Jesus used with the repentant thief on the cross (“Today, you will be with me in Paradise”). It is as if Jesus, leaving the Paradise side of Hades, transferred Paradise from Hades to Heaven. Before the resurrection, Paradise was a part of Hades but is now a part of Heaven.
8.This may explain why Steven, dying for the gospel (Acts 7:54-60), said “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit”. When he died, his request was granted - Jesus received his spirit. Today, the spirit of Steven is in heaven with Jesus.
And so the true Christian, today, at the moment of his death, may also say “Lord, Jesus, Receive my spirit.” trusting full well that He will.


Taken from The Bible Way Online (http://www.thebiblewayonline.com)

Thanks.... That's exactly what my research has shown me too....

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Not scriptural, but you can Google Don Piper and "90 Minutes in Heaven." The story is fascinating, hard to believe, and yet the physical evidence of everything but his Heaven experience is there. According to the scriptures and according to this story, the spirit leaves the body at the moment of death.

Not scriptural, but you can Google Don Piper and "90 Minutes in Heaven." The story is fascinating, hard to believe, and yet the physical evidence of everything but his Heaven experience is there. According to the scriptures and according to this story, the spirit leaves the body at the moment of death.

Anyone who has worked with dying patients/people know this.
I have seen it..and have been witness to the gift of death while holing the hand of a dying patient.
The "light" of their soul leaves..in some patients you can "see" it.

I don't need a book to tell me where the soul goes, my faith tells me..
Do not go around complicating scripture and the teaching of ALL the religions.
When we die, our soul, that energy that makes us "US" leaves is and goes back to the creator, as a Christian, that creator is God.
Energy can not be created or destroyed, the souls can not created or destroyed. It just "IS" and it goes back to God.

Just my heart felt opinion. thank you.

If we go according to the Bible then the body and soul are the exact same thing.

Genesis 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." KJV.

As such the body dies means that the soul dies too as they are both the same thing.

Later the Bible tells of a future resurrection where the body and soul are to rise from the dead - not from the living but rise from the dead.

The idea that the soul is some separate from the body type of spirit is not a true Bible doctrine.


Another telling Bible text said to Adam and Eve reads like this:

"... for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return." per Genesis 3:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:18-20&version=KJV) KJV.

Along with this = "... and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7

So that is very clear that directly from the beginning God made mankind as mortal (not immortal) and the "soul" was the body, and then at the time of death then = for dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.

God did not say that dust thou art and then after death people will go to Heaven or to hell - no, the Bible says we return unto dust.

The whole point of Jesus rising from the dead and of a resurrection was to demonstrate that death and dying could be overcome.

Without the resurrection from the dead then all people will remain dead, and no one is being resurrected back from Heaven or from a Hell as that would be ridiculous.

:coffee:

Robert Lanza, M.D.: Does Death Exist? New Theory Says 'No' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-death-exist-new-theo_b_384515.html)


I had heard that theory some years ago and I saw it as sensible from the first, and I say it is correct about the separate yet connected universes or multiverses.

Even recently this past Saturday I could have been hit and killed by a car and it felt like magic that somehow I was not killed and was not even hit, which means that in the other universe I was hit and killed and at the same time I live onward in this other universe.

What I would say is that here is another scientific discovery of how God works with humanity, and it would give a more realistic meaning to being "born again" and a twist to the concept or reincarnation too.

If it is correct, and it does appear to be correct, then like babies being aborted in this universe are in fact being born into their other universe, and anybody that dies are simply continuing in their other universe, so that God really did intervene and we are just now finding out about the more intricate plans and actions of the real thing we call as God.

Works for me.

:lalala:

So that is very clear that directly from the beginning God made mankind as mortal (not immortal) and the "soul" was the body, and then at the time of death then = for dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.

God did not say that dust thou art and then after death people will go to Heaven or to hell - no, the Bible says we return unto dust.

:boo:

“Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. - John 3:5-6

Anyone who has worked with dying patients/people know this.
I have seen it..and have been witness to the gift of death while holing the hand of a dying patient.
The "light" of their soul leaves..in some patients you can "see" it.

I don't need a book to tell me where the soul goes, my faith tells me..
Do not go around complicating scripture and the teaching of ALL the religions.
When we die, our soul, that energy that makes us "US" leaves is and goes back to the creator, as a Christian, that creator is God.
Energy can not be created or destroyed, the souls can not created or destroyed. It just "IS" and it goes back to God.

Just my heart felt opinion. thank you.


Awesome! My experience, (and opinion) too.

:boo:


Even though you do not say it - you are implying that the soul and the spirit are both the same thing, which they are not.

Two different words having two different meanings.

Of course it helps to appear smart when one does not really say anything.

:coffee:

Even though you do not say it - you are implying that the soul and the spirit are both the same thing, which they are not.

Two different words having two different meanings.

Of course it helps to appear smart when one does not really say anything.

:coffee:

Yeah, I know. We all know you are so smart because you always have something to say.

No one can stand up to the breadth of knowledge of the one and only JPC. When I say those letters I hear angels hearken your name, and God himself bow down to your superior infinite knowledge.

BTW… because you probably didn’t get that this was :sarcasm: here………………….

:sarcasm:

:rolleyes:

Even though you do not say it - you are implying that the soul and the spirit are both the same thing, which they are not.

Two different words having two different meanings.

A case can be made for a dichotomy or a trichotomy. Don't be a hypocrite.



Of course it helps to appear smart when one does not really say anything.

:coffee:Irony. You has it.

A case can be made for a dichotomy or a trichotomy. Don't be a hypocrite.


I am not being a hypocrite, and you certainly are not using that word correctly.

There are other people who divide the two words of "soul" and "spirit" into 2 or 3 or into 4 different meanings in order to fit the words into their preset orthodoxies and that needs to be exposed.

The problem is in trying to force the Bible into their Christian orthodox doctrines where it does not fit, which requires a lot of twisted and varied interpretations.

:elaine:

I am not being a hypocrite, and you certainly are not using that word correctly.

There are other people who divide the two words of "soul" and "spirit" into 2 or 3 or into 4 different meanings in order to fit the words into their preset orthodoxies and that needs to be exposed.

The problem is in trying to force the Bible into their Christian orthodox doctrines where it does not fit, which requires a lot of twisted and varied interpretations.

:elaine:

You really don’t know the actual meaning of hotcoffee’s question do you? How smart are you again? :bigwhoop:

You really don’t know the actual meaning of hotcoffee’s question do you? How smart are you again? :bigwhoop:


Her questions seems straight up and simple to me, so if you say that I have missed something there then why do you NOT tell what that is?

I criticized your posting before in that you fail to actually say whatever it is that you actually mean, and here you do it again.

If you and she have some "actual meaning" instead of what is actually posted, then am I expected to read your minds? am I expected to figure out some secret or hidden message inside of your given words?

When I talk or when I post then I do give my true and actual meaning, and I expect other postings to mean what they say too.

If you see it as being "smart" to have some secret or hidden meaning - then I disagree because that is not smart at all, and that would be an incompetent way to communicate.

But since you do not explain your self or your real meanings then I would guess at it like this - the Bible says a "soul" which means the person's body, and then the orthodox doctrines of Christianity say the word has some secret or mystical and "actual meaning" of an immortal spirit.

So you say the "actual meaning" is different and you see it as more accurate then the obvious given meaning of the words, and you expect people to play along with that nonsense.

The "hotcoffee" question goes like this = Where does it go? Where does the soul go when the body passes? (http://forums.somd.com/religion/246839-where-does-go.html)

So I gave the correct answer in that the soul is really just the human body, and from dust it came and unto dust it returns.

:lalala:

Her questions seems straight up and simple to me, so if you say that I have missed something there then why do you NOT tell what that is?

I criticized your posting before in that you fail to actually say whatever it is that you actually mean, and here you do it again.

I say what I mean and I mean what I say… :ohwell:

Her questions seems straight up and simple to me, so if you say that I have missed something there then why do you NOT tell what that is?

I criticized your posting before in that you fail to actually say whatever it is that you actually mean, and here you do it again.

If you and she have some "actual meaning" instead of what is actually posted, then am I expected to read your minds? am I expected to figure out some secret or hidden message inside of your given words?

When I talk or when I post then I do give my true and actual meaning, and I expect other postings to mean what they say too.

If you see it as being "smart" to have some secret or hidden meaning - then I disagree because that is not smart at all, and that would be an incompetent way to communicate.

But since you do not explain your self or your real meanings then I would guess at it like this - the Bible says a "soul" which means the person's body, and then the orthodox doctrines of Christianity say the word has some secret or mystical and "actual meaning" of an immortal spirit.

So you say the "actual meaning" is different and you see it as more accurate then the obvious given meaning of the words, and you expect people to play along with that nonsense.

The "hotcoffee" question goes like this = Where does it go? Where does the soul go when the body passes? (http://forums.somd.com/religion/246839-where-does-go.html)

So I gave the correct answer in that the soul is really just the human body, and from dust it came and unto dust it returns.

:lalala:

So you think there is no soul that rises to Heaven.... and you dispute the whole statement of "the quick and the dead in Christ shall rise"....

If this is true... then please show me the Biblical basis for your belief so that I can research it....

I believe it has been researched and show properly here, that when the body dies, the soul of the Saved [those who have accepted Jesus into their hearts] go directly to Heaven, and there will come a time that the quick [those who have accepted Jesus into their hearts] will rise to Heaven as well....

So if you have a different opinion... Biblically based, then you should site your research. Please don't hijack this very important question simply to argue... it's important to a lot of people.... at least one Christian that I am working with has asked this important question.... and she deserves the honest truth based on the Bible....

Thanks
:coffee:

I say what I mean and I mean what I say… :ohwell:


The thing more important is that the Bible says what it means, and the Bible gives its own meanings.

As in the Bible declares that = "the wages of sin is death;" Romans 6:23 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6&version=KJV), and that "death" does NOT mean any eternal life in the mythical hell (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/h/hades.html).

Then the Bible declares that the "eternal life" is a "gift of God" directly contrary to the "wages of sin" being death, again Romans 6:23

People can not have "eternal life" and have "death" at the same time because they contradict each other.

This is also the old Testament point that = "the soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4 and then again = "The soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:20, both linked HERE (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%2018&version=KJV).

So putting some other false or deviant meaning into the Bible text as like claiming that - the soul does not die - is just not accurate or true.

:coffee:

So you think there is no soul that rises to Heaven.... and you dispute the whole statement of "the quick and the dead in Christ shall rise"....

If this is true... then please show me the Biblical basis for your belief so that I can research it....

I believe it has been researched and show properly here, that when the body dies, the soul of the Saved [those who have accepted Jesus into their hearts] go directly to Heaven, and there will come a time that the quick [those who have accepted Jesus into their hearts] will rise to Heaven as well....

So if you have a different opinion... Biblically based, then you should site your research. Please don't hijack this very important question simply to argue... it's important to a lot of people.... at least one Christian that I am working with has asked this important question.... and she deserves the honest truth based on the Bible....

Thanks
:coffee:

You are basing your position on this "the quick and the dead in Christ shall rise" and I agree with that.

It says "the dead" shall rise which is what it means to have a resurrection.

Your own given text does NOT say that living souls burning in hell will rise - no, it says that "the quick" the living people and the "dead in Christ" so even the dead in Christ are NOT in heaven because if they were then they would not be dead.

Dead means dead, so if some people are still alive and living in a Heaven or in a hell then they are NOT dead, and yet we know that they are dead.

The Bible does not make this mistake because the Bibles teaches about a resurrection where every person throughout humanity will be saved from death and enter into the coming Kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven.

The Bible does NOT get this wrong - no - it is the orthodox teachings of Christianity that gets it wrong.

:angel:

So if you have a different opinion... Biblically based, then you should site your research. Please don't hijack this very important question simply to argue... it's important to a lot of people.... at least one Christian that I am working with has asked this important question.... and she deserves the honest truth based on the Bible.
Then you need to ignore everything he says. It has been more than proven on here that his opinions are FAR from the truth. He doesn't believe the Bible (No matter what he says) and his statements clearly show that.

You are basing your position on this "the quick and the dead in Christ shall rise" and I agree with that.

It says "the dead" shall rise which is what it means to have a resurrection.

Your own given text does NOT say that living souls burning in hell will rise - no, it says that "the quick" the living people and the "dead in Christ" so even the dead in Christ are NOT in heaven because if they were then they would not be dead.

Dead means dead, so if some people are still alive and living in a Heaven or in a hell then they are NOT dead, and yet we know that they are dead.

The Bible does not make this mistake because the Bibles teaches about a resurrection where every person throughout humanity will be saved from death and enter into the coming Kingdom of God on earth as it is in heaven.

The Bible does NOT get this wrong - no - it is the orthodox teachings of Christianity that gets it wrong.

:angel:

Then you need to ignore everything he says. It has been more than proven on here that his opinions are FAR from the truth. He doesn't believe the Bible (No matter what he says) and his statements clearly show that.

It scares me that some people are so blatantly evil.....

The God I know.... the one that wins in the End... will forgive me for saying this....
It scares me that some people might actually vote for him....

JP knows that I have written volumns with him about politics.... I don't like him misleading people on the forums.... I really hope everyone knows that he is merely a joke.... Laugh when you see Cussick on the Ballot.... it's a little joke... save your vote for the real candidates... please.... I won't say anymore on the topic.... guess I'm hijacking my own thread.... :coffee:

Not scriptural, but you can Google Don Piper and "90 Minutes in Heaven." The story is fascinating, hard to believe, and yet the physical evidence of everything but his Heaven experience is there. According to the scriptures and according to this story, the spirit leaves the body at the moment of death.
Yes but Piper embellishes a lot in his book when compared to Scripture. He's a sensationalist.

If we go according to the Bible then the body and soul are the exact same thing.

:whistle:

Gee, I heard of a Dichotomy and Trichotomy ...... Leave it to you to come up with something other.

What about the spirit, in your world is that the soul or another entity?

Gee, I heard of a Dichotomy and Trichotomy ...... Leave it to you to come up with something other.

What about the spirit, in your world is that the soul or another entity?


I believe mine could be called as a Singular-otomy or singularity as in one (1) piece or one person each, or single one etc.

The difference between a soul and a spirit is rather clearly defined by a funeral ceremony where King Solomon said this:

"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." KJV, Ecclesiastes 12:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes%2012:5-8&version=KJV)

Verse 5 "long home" means death, and "mourners" on the street means a public funeral.

Verse 7 - the dust returning to the earth is the same as Genesis 3:19 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203:18-20&version=KJV) "for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

The spirit returning to God is NOT saying that it goes to Hell or to Heaven, as it is just the life force as like electricity, and the spirit is not the person or the soul.

Any person's body and life is just one (singularity) and it is not divided into a body and soul and spirit as we are not 3 in one.

:whistle: