Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity.

Turkey confiscated a leather-bound text, written on animal hide, in an anti-smuggling operation in 2000. Turkish authorities believe the text could be an authentic version of the Gospel of Barnabas, one of Jesus’ apostles and an associate of the apostle Paul.

This version of the Barnabas Gospel was written in the 5th or 6th century and it predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammad and the religion of Islam, the Basij Press claims.

The Christian world, it says, denies the existence of such a gospel.




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Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity.

Turkey confiscated a leather-bound text, written on animal hide, in an anti-smuggling operation in 2000. Turkish authorities believe the text could be an authentic version of the Gospel of Barnabas, one of Jesus’ apostles and an associate of the apostle Paul.

This version of the Barnabas Gospel was written in the 5th or 6th century and it predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammad and the religion of Islam, the Basij Press claims.

The Christian world, it says, denies the existence of such a gospel.




Iran: Discovery will collapse Christianity (http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-discovery-will-collapse-christianity/)


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This version of the Barnabas Gospel was written in the 5th or 6th century

If I recall correctly, Islam was started in the 5th century. How ironic. :lmao:

“The Iranian regime is committed to stamping out Christianity by any means necessary, whether that means executing Christian converts, burning Bibles or raiding underground churches,” said Erick Stakelbeck, host of the Christian Broadcasting Network’s “Stakelbeck on Terror” show and a close observer of Iranian affairs. “In promoting the so-called Barnabas Bible – which was likely written sometime in the 16th century and is not accepted by any mainstream Christian denomination – the regime is once again attempting to discredit the Christian faith. Record numbers of young Iranians are leaving Islam and embracing Christ, and the mullahs see Christianity as a growing threat to their authority.”

Christianity was built on the blood of the martyrs. It would appear Iran is the next fruitful ground. :coffee:

“The Iranian regime is committed to stamping out Christianity by any means necessary, whether that means executing Christian converts, burning Bibles or raiding underground churches,” said Erick Stakelbeck, host of the Christian Broadcasting Network’s “Stakelbeck on Terror” show and a close observer of Iranian affairs. “In promoting the so-called Barnabas Bible – which was likely written sometime in the 16th century and is not accepted by any mainstream Christian denomination – the regime is once again attempting to discredit the Christian faith. Record numbers of young Iranians are leaving Islam and embracing Christ, and the mullahs see Christianity as a growing threat to their authority.”

Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity.

Turkey confiscated a leather-bound text, written on animal hide, in an anti-smuggling operation in 2000. Turkish authorities believe the text could be an authentic version of the Gospel of Barnabas, one of Jesus’ apostles and an associate of the apostle Paul.

This version of the Barnabas Gospel was written in the 5th or 6th century and it predicted the coming of the Prophet Mohammad and the religion of Islam, the Basij Press claims.

The Christian world, it says, denies the existence of such a gospel.

Iran: Discovery will collapse Christianity (http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/iran-discovery-will-collapse-christianity/)


We really need to examine the document and see what it actually says, and then we could make an informed decision as to its authenticity.

The Country of Iran is directly near about the area where Jesus and the Apostles could have traveled so there could be old scriptures found in that area.

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If I recall correctly, Islam was started in the 5th century. How ironic. :lmao:...

Actually, in the 7th century. Muhammad received his "revelation" in the year 610 while meditating in a dark cave. His account states that a "spirit-being" appeared to him and revealed the teachings of the Qur'an and pronounced him to be the last and final prophet of mankind. The spirit being met with Muhammad throughout a 23-year period resulting in the Islamic teachings of the Qur'an, Ahadith and Sunnah. According to Islamic theology all the prophets were Muslim.

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Actually, in the 7th century. Muhammad received his "revelation" in the year 610 while meditating


The old scriptures reported to be found can date to anytime, as we do not know the actual details yet.

And the report does not claim that Muhammad wrote these newly discovered writings.



According to Islamic theology all the prophets were Muslim.


If we take the correct meaning of the word "Muslim" to mean "one who submits to God" then all the true prophets were indeed Muslims.

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Iran’s Basij Press is claiming that a version of the Gospel of Barnabas, found in 2000, will prove that Islam is the final and righteous religion and the revelation will cause the collapse worldwide of Christianity. Turkey confiscated a leather-bound text, written on animal hide, in an anti-smuggling operation in 2000. Turkish authorities believe the text could be an authentic version of the Gospel of Barnabas, one of Jesus’ apostles and an associate of the apostle Paul.
Christianity won't ever "collapse". God won't allow it. There will be people witnessing even at the end of the world but most will still ignore them.

Barnabas & Paul weren't part of the original 12 Apostles with Jesus on earth, although they were considered Apostles after His ascension.

Revelation speaks of the end time religion. Although not by name, it's pretty clear today which one it is; Islam. Its anti-God beliefs, evil beheading practices and disregard for truth makes it easily fit the Revelation 13 description...

meanwhile the Sunni and Shia continue to kill each other

...If we take the correct meaning of the word "Muslim" to mean "one who submits to God" then all the true prophets were indeed Muslims.

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Actually, if we take the correct meaning of "God" it really does not define which god. The word "god" is only a generic name for a deity; any deity that you wish to make it apply to.

When a theological comparison is made it is apparent that the "god" of the Muslims, Al'lah, is not the same God that Christianity believes in.

Yes, you are correct that Islam means "submission," as in submission to God, however, Muslims submit to a different god who is NOT the God of Biblical Christianity.

Here is a brief comparison:


1.) Islam's "Allah" never spoke directly to Muhammad; the messages were only transmitted by an "angel" that he met in a cave;

2.) Islam's Allah commanded all of the angels to bow down to Adam;

3.) Islam's Allah gave men permission to beat their wives for being disobedient;

4.) Islam's Allah allowed Muhammad to marry as many wives as he wanted while Muslim men can marry up to four at a time;

5.) Islam’s Allah appointed Muhammad to be the last and final prophet of mankind;

6.) Islam’s Allah made the world exclusively for Muhammad and Muslims;

7.) Islam's Allah commanded Muhammad to have Muslims fight until the whole world became Muslim;

8.) Islam's Allah allows Muslims who fight in battle to take the enemy's women and children as slaves;

9.) Islam's Allah promised a paradise of wide eyed voluptuous women for the "righteous" Muslim who is martyrd for the cause of Islam;

10.) Islam's Allah created seven levels of Heaven and seven levels of Hell;


Islam's Allah and the Hebrew God, Yahweh, are NOT the same God.

Additionally, Islam's "Jesus" (Isa') is NOT the same Jesus of The New Testament.

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Muslims bow (submit) to a different "god".

Actually, in the 7th century.

Oh, you're right! I was thinking timeframe 600s being 5th c not 7th c, before not after; mea culpa.

At any rate, it's not going to change anything. I mean, scholars have the task of proving it's orthodoxy of course. No different than any other supposed gospel text has had to go through. If, as the Mullah's claim, it supports Islam and Muhammad's further revelation, then it will be treated as no different then the Gnostic texts due to it's extant revelation. So, in other words, status quo. :shrug:

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Looks like it did exist in at least he 6th century but the Muslims changed the word Paraclete to make it look like it was predicting their prophet and not the Holy Spirit.

meanwhile the Sunni and Shia continue to kill each other


Along with the American CIA supplying military equipment to both sides, and the CIA providing the incentive and the provocation for both sides to fight each other.

Of course the American way is also to divide the Christians against each other too, as it is easier for a brute to rule when the people are divided.


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Actually, if we take the correct meaning of "God" it really does not define which god. The word "god" is only a generic name for a deity; any deity that you wish to make it apply to.

When a theological comparison is made it is apparent that the "god" of the Muslims, Al'lah, is not the same God that Christianity believes in.

Yes, you are correct that Islam means "submission," as in submission to God, however, Muslims submit to a different god who is NOT the God of Biblical Christianity.

Muslims bow (submit) to a different "god".


I agree with your first two (2) sentences that the word "God" is generic, but it is still generic when Christians use that word, and it is generic when you or I use that name too.

And the "generic" name "God" comes from the old Hebrew word of both "El" and from "Elohim", link HERE (http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/Elohim/elohim.html), while Elohim is the same Hebrew root word for the Aramaic (non-generic) name of "Allah", which means that the Muslim name is more accurate than is the Christian's usage.

Theologically they are different Gods - yes indeed, but the Christians mistakenly call Jesus as God (Elohim) which He is not, and the Christians claim God to be some strange sort of Trinity which God is not, so both linguistically and Theologically the religion of Islam is the more accurate in this regard.

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We really need to examine the document and see what it actually says, and then we could make an informed decision as to its authenticity.

The Country of Iran is directly near about the area where Jesus and the Apostles could have traveled so there could be old scriptures found in that area.

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I know that the Bible says that Jesus is the way.
I also know that it warns us of Satan putting tests to us to try and turn us away from the way.

I suspect that this is a test to try and get Christians to turn away from the truth and follow what can best be described as a nasty goat humping wife beater.

Of course the American way is also to divide the Christians against each other too, as it is easier for a brute to rule when the people are divided.Wow, that seems to imply bad things for The O. He is a brute!

...I agree with your first two (2) sentences that the word "God" is generic, but it is still generic when Christians use that word, and it is generic when you or I use that name too.


When a born-again believer in Christ refers to "God", it is specifically in reference to the Lord and Saviour of mankind, Jesus Christ, who was God in human form. No other god.

The New Tesament Jesus; Our Lord and our God.

I have identified the specific God I believe in, which god would you say you believe in?

Oh, you're right! I was thinking timeframe 600s being 5th c not 7th c, before not after; mea culpa.

At any rate, it's not going to change anything. I mean, scholars have the task of proving it's orthodoxy of course. No different than any other supposed gospel text has had to go through. If, as the Mullah's claim, it supports Islam and Muhammad's further revelation, then it will be treated as no different then the Gnostic texts due to it's extant revelation. So, in other words, status quo. :shrug:

Agreed. :yay:

the caveat is that there will be many people swayed over to believe the claim that Muhammad was "prophesied in the Bible." The only place I would say that such teaching applies is when Jesus warned that "another would come in his name" and be a deceiver that people would follow:


but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. (John 5:42-43)

Muhammad came "in his own name" and One Billion Muslims (and growing) have received him as the "last and final prophet of mankind" whose prophethood supersedes the status and authority of The New Testament Jesus.

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Looks like it did exist in at least he 6th century but the Muslims changed the word Paraclete to make it look like it was predicting their prophet and not the Holy Spirit.

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I don't know about "the gospel of Barnabas", but would agree that Muhammad's prophethood was proclaimed in the 6th century. However, I thought Radiant1 was referring to the century when Islam actually began as a religion from her following comment:


If I recall correctly, Islam was started in the 5th century. How ironic.


Islam did not actually begin to form as a "monotheistic religion" until Muhammad proclaimed it so in the year 610 based upon his encounter and revelation by the "spirit-being" that appeared to him in that dark cave in Mecca in the year 610. Prior to that, the rule of religion in that area was the worshipping of 360 various gods that were housed in the Ka'ba worship structure where the Bedouin tribes gathered on an annual pilgrimage.

Based upon the date of when Muhammad was born, yes Muhammad's prophethood would have been proclaimed in the 6th century. That's when the "seal of the prophet" appeared as a birthmark on Muhammad when he was born in the year 570 and Muslims claim it was a "knowledgeable Jew" who proclaimed the prophethood of Muhammad.

Here is the account of Muhammad's birth in 570, according to Islamic teachings:


Amongst the citizens of Mecca were several Jews, one of whom was knowledgeable of the scriptures. He knew from his learning and the signs of the time that the birth of a new prophet was imminent and anxiously awaited his arrival. On the night Prophet Muhammad, (sa) was born, a strange feeling came over him that prompted him to rush to the door of his house and ask some Koraysh tribesmen, who happened to be passing, if they had heard of any births that night. The tribesmen replied that they knew of none, so he asked them to go and find out then bring word to him. He felt sure that this was the night in which the new prophet had been born, and if his feelings were correct he knew he would indeed be able to recognize him by a special, prominent mark on his skin that lay between his shoulders. Sometime later, the tribesmen returned to the expectant Jew and told him that a son had indeed been born to Lady Amina, the widowed wife of Abdullah, son of Abd Al Muttalib. The Jew asked them to take him to see the newly born and his mother, so in haste they made their way to Abu Talib's house. When they arrived, Lady Amina presented her darling son to them and as the cloth that covered him was gently rolled back the Jew saw the unmistakable mark and fainted. When he regained consciousness he announced the prophethood had been taken away from the Children of Israel and said, "O people of Koraysh, by Allah, he will conquer you in a way that the news will traverse both east and west." The mark the Jew referred to was circular and read, "There is no god except Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet", and it was from this identifying mark that the sweet aroma of musk exuded.
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BTW: As you know, that "mark" comprises the Sahada (statement of faith that needs to be recited in order to become a Muslim) and is seen on the flag of Saudi Arabia and on several Islamic banners.

When a born-again believer in Christ refers to "God", it is specifically in reference to the Lord and Saviour of mankind, Jesus Christ, who was God in human form. No other god.

The New Tesament Jesus; Our Lord and our God.

I have identified the specific God I believe in, which god would you say you believe in?


I believe in Jesus too, but I do know that "Jesus" was not really His name, as His name was recorded as something close to being "Yesu" which is the shorten version of Joshua. The "J" in Jesus was originally pronounced as a "Y" so with that correct pronunciation then "Jesus" could be pronounced closer to correctly but it is never spelled correctly.

And since the Bible tells us that Jesus did speak Aramaic (He probably spoke other languages too) then the Muslim Aramaic name for Jesus of "Isa" might be very much more accurate for His name.

The Muslims believe in Jesus too, as does virtually every religion on the entire planet earth believe in Jesus, as it is only the intolerant Christians who deny everybody else.

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I believe in Jesus too, but I do know that "Jesus" was not really His name, as His name was recorded as something close to being "Yesu" which is the shorten version of Joshua. The "J" in Jesus was originally pronounced as a "Y" so with that correct pronunciation then "Jesus" could be pronounced closer to correctly but it is never spelled correctly.

And since the Bible tells us that Jesus did speak Aramaic (He probably spoke other languages too) then the Muslim Aramaic name for Jesus of "Isa" might be very much more accurate for His name.

The Muslims believe in Jesus too, as does virtually every religion on the entire planet earth believe in Jesus, as it is only the intolerant Christians who deny everybody else.

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The Qur'an of Islam teaches "another 'Jesus' and another gospel" and not the account of The New Testament Jesus as written in the Holy Bible.

The Qur'an of Islam teaches "another 'Jesus' and another gospel" and not the account of The New Testament Jesus as written in the Holy Bible.


No, it is NOT "another Jesus nor another Gospel" as the religion of Islam includes Jesus and the Gospels along with Moses and the Jewish religion into their fold.

It is only Christians and Christianity (their majority) who pompously claim to be preaching some other Jesus and other Gospel which is just those Christians being arrogant and self righteous.

Of course Christians (virtually all) claim that every other Christian group or Church is preaching "another 'Jesus' and another gospel" because the Christians do not even like or respect their own kind.

Just as you and I both preach Jesus and the Gospel differently, and I say the Muslims are far more accurate then what you show yourself to be.

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No, it is NOT "another Jesus nor another Gospel" as the religion of Islam includes Jesus and the Gospels along with Moses and the Jewish religion into their fold...

Just as you and I both preach Jesus and the Gospel differently, and I say the Muslims are far more accurate then what you show yourself to be.

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Islam denies the New Tesament teachings of who Jesus is

Here some of the the differences:

1. Islam teaches that Jesus (Isa') is not the Son of God;
2. Islam teaches that Jesus was not crucified;
3. Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet sent only to the Jews;
4. Islam teaches that Muhammad was a prophet sent to all mankind;
5. Islam teaches that Muhammad's prophethood supersedes that of Jesus;
6. Islam teaches that Jesus will return and rebuke Christians for claiming that He was the Son of God;

Here are some more differences between the teachings of The New Testament Jesus compared to the teachings of Muhammad:


Y'shua (Isa’ / Jesus) taught:

1. Love God and fellow man - even those who may be your enemy.
(Matthew 5:44) (Matthew 22:37-40)

2. Forgive others. Do not seek retribution and abide no longer by the rule of "an eye for an eye" (Matthew 5:28-48) (Matthew 6:15)

3. Put away the sword, for those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.
(Matthew 26:52)

4. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called "The Children of God."
(Matthew 5:9)

5. “I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; no man can come to The Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)


Muhammad taught:

1. Oh slaves of Allah (Muslims) Obey Allah and invite all mankind to embrace Islam. Strike terror into the hearts of "Unbelievers" and slay those who do not accept Allah and smite the necks of those who do not believe that Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.
(Qur’an:047.004)
(Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 14, Number 2635, Narrated Anas ibn Malik)

2. It is legal to seek vengeance and retribution in like manner: "A life for a life" and a Muslim who shall abandon Islam shall be killed.(Imam An-Nawawi's Book - Hadith #14)
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 6, Book 61, Number 577, Narrated 'Ali)

3. Paradise is found "Under the Shades of Swords."
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 210, Narrated Salim Abu An-Nadr)

4. There cannot be peace until Islam rules over all as the true religion on earth. This earth has been made only for Muslims to inherit and Muslims are commanded to fight until "faith in Allah prevails everywhere." (Qur'an: 008.039)
(Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 8, Number 429, Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah)

5. "It is obligatory to love the prophet more than the members of one's household: one's child, father or even the whole of humanity"
(Sahih Muslim: Book 001, Chapter 17: Number 0070)

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Islam teaches another "Jesus" and another gospel.

I think everyone will agree that man has and will continue to find "reasons" to kill each other. religion, race, culture, wealth, resources, etc.

I think everyone will agree that man has and will continue to find "reasons" to kill each other. religion, race, culture, wealth, resources, etc.

Agreed, and the reason is because man has the inherent abilities to be controlled by tendencies between love and hate toward one another.

The Bible is clear in proclaiming Jesus' Message that Loving God and loving fellow-man are the two most important of any laws given. (Matthew 22:36-40)

When a person has sincere and genuine love toward another then no harm will be done or wished upon them even upon ones enemy.
(Matthew 5:44; Luke 6:27-35)

The Bible reveals that this is because people do not have the "love of God" within them (John 5:41-43) and that is why they cannot have the love that Jesus wants mankind to have.

Instead, men are more apt to work to receive glory and praise of others and reciprocate by giving honor, praise and glory to others, including religious leaders of their denomination. Thus, they praise man instead of praising God. (John 12:43)

It has been pointed out before that True Peace requires 100% cooperation and 100% commitment on the part of this whole world. Ain't happenin', according to the Bible until The New Testament Jesus Christ (The Prince of Peace) returns to set things right.

In the meanwhile, all who profess to be Christians are to remember Christ's Words in this regard:



I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. You are my friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
(John 15:11-15) NIV

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister. (1 John 4:20-21) NIV

Agreed, and the reason is because man has the inherent abilities to be controlled by tendencies between love and hate toward one another.We also have tendencies to create belief systems so we can say, "My god is tougher and better than your god, and when you die you'll go to some nasty place... BUT my god does it with love." Odd creatures we are. :lol:


It has been pointed out before that True Peace requires 100% cooperation and 100% commitment on the part of this whole world. Ain't happenin', according to the Bible...At the least, 100% will never be achieved because there are too many crazies running about. Like the schizophrenic who murdered a fellow bus passenger in Canada. Hard to see those types coming, and it has nothing to do with education, morality, or beliefs.

We also have tendencies to create belief systems so we can say, "My god is tougher and better than your god, and when you die you'll go to some nasty place... BUT my god does it with love." Odd creatures we are. :lol:

God is ever patient and it is through His Love that He calls out warnings time after time to prevent you from continuing on a path toward the direction of that "nasty place".

The God of The Holy Bible does not want hvp05 or anyone to perish and has provided THE opportunity for all mankind to be saved from eternal death. It's just that many people will not accept God's Plan of Salvation because they don't think they need to be saved from anything and many deny the existence of God altogether!

As it is, many people have tendencies to refuse help when that help will save them. Yes, indeed, "odd creatures we are."


Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:10-12)


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