Thought it might be interesting to get into the politics of Chesapeake Ranch Estates again.

It's that time of year again..... ;)

I'm thinking of nominating myself for a spot on the Board again.... whatcha think?

I've been doing this for a long time [longer than JP].... :coffee:

Well.... I would like to talk about CRE.... and it's that time of year again....

If I were to be President on the Board in CRE there are a few things I would change....

1. I would like to see the Board take an active position to get the documents straightened out... There is talk of Municipality again.... that's a question that should be taken to the membership .... the governing documents need to be cleaned up either way the vote goes....

2. I would like to see the question of "Security" brought to the whole membership for vote.... Back in history, before the gates came down, security was a good idea.... now it's an inefficient expense that should be reorganized.... [or not] The question needs to go to the membership....

3. I would like to see if there is a way to get a Bonded roads project that would allow us to finally just pave the rest of the roads..... White Sands did it using the Special Roads District.... Drum Point and CRE are using the Special Taxing District.... It's time to look at more expedient ways to proceed before the cost of paving becomes even more astronomical....

4. The beaches are looking much better.... The clubhouse looks really nice now.... the upkeep and maintenance work is not done tho....I would like to see the boat launch put back in at the beach.... I'm also interested in putting a skate board park in where the Stables are now... The campgrounds needs some attention to make it more attractive to those who would pay to use it [putting money into the fund for other projects].... AND I would like to do something about that horrible looking upper compound across from the Stables.... It's an eye sore....

While I am happy to report.... the last couple of boards have definitely been following the "more maintenance cost & less operations cost" fiscal approach I have been asking for all these years... there is still a lot to be done that the current President hasn't been able to get to....

If you ask me .... which you didn't.... I think the current President did a good job but I'm wondering if he's burning out.... The job of President of the Board is a difficult one.... it takes a lot of time and energy.... it also takes a lot of time away from the family....

I've been holding a director spot on and off for 13 years now.... Maybe it's time I stepped up to do my few years as President of the Board so that I can finally get these few agenda items taken care of.

I admit it.... I have agenda items.... they are listed above.... and most are boldened....

Just saying.... maybe I should nominate myself for a slot as President of the Board.... since the Nominating Committee didn't even bother to call me and ask if I would consider running for the Director spot again.... :coffee:

I am fed up withthe Board and the HOA. My wife and i have sent numerous e mails to the Board and have yet to get a reply to any questions, suggestions or comments. Hard to get involved when nobody cares

I am fed up withthe Board and the HOA. My wife and i have sent numerous e mails to the Board and have yet to get a reply to any questions, suggestions or comments. Hard to get involved when nobody cares

I've gotten a couple of emails from members lately. Did you send it to me? Or did you send it to POACRE. Those emails to POACRE don't seem to trickle down very well.

IM me.... let me see what I can do for you...

Oh and I got an email from Travis.... he says for me to stop saying he's burning out..... :buddies:

:coffee:

So... don't you think there's been more maintenance funding and less operations funding in CRE lately.....

The beaches look good.... the clubhouse looks excellent.... and more roads are getting paved....

Watcha think? :coffee:

Watcha think? :coffee:

Is Alemar Acres part of the Ranch Club?

Is Alemar Acres part of the Ranch Club?

Yup

Don't hear much about whale bones and tiger beetles anymore !
:shrug:

CRE nothing more than a glorified trailor park

It's a beautiful place to live.... I went to the beach yesterday.... gorgeous day out on the bay.... just beautiful place to live.....

We have great neighbors... our kids have excellent schools with great teachers....

We have not one but 2 grocery stores and lots of good restaurants around the corner but we don't have the big traffic jams like Prince Frederick to the north and California to the south.... Meanwhile our roads are getting better.... our clubhouse is renovated and it looks awesome....

It's a beautiful place to live....

I haven't heard too much from the members on the cliff, lately. They are waiting on the different departments of different govenments [county, state, federal] to all get on the same page and then they can do some work.... When projects get to that phase there's always a slow down....

CRE is a beautiful place to live.... :coffee:

CRE nothing more than a glorified trailor park

That is an obnoxious and idiotic thing to say.

I've gotten a couple of emails from members lately. Did you send it to me? Or did you send it to POACRE. Those emails to POACRE don't seem to trickle down very well.

IM me.... let me see what I can do for you...

Oh and I got an email from Travis.... he says for me to stop saying he's burning out..... :buddies:

:coffee:

I sent the e mails to POACRE. In fact, in one of the news letters, they asked for suggestions and posted the e mail address to send them to. Still no reply. I think the whole stuation is getting to be a waste of time

I sent the e mails to POACRE. In fact, in one of the news letters, they asked for suggestions and posted the e mail address to send them to. Still no reply. I think the whole stuation is getting to be a waste of time

If I were President of the Board.... I would ask that all the emails be sent to me... and then I would forward them to the rest of the Board and the GM....

If I were President of the Board....I would ask that we announce the next agenda whenever possible so people would have time to make comments or at least get their opinon heard before matters come up for vote...

If I were President of the Board.... I would have a presentation of the projects the Board was trying to work on.... It's one thing to say we want to use money to build a skate park.... but it's quite another to actually go out for prices and design and bring that to the membership....

If I were President of the Board.... I would read the information about a matter involved to those who take the time to come to the meetings.... so everyone would know what we are working on..... If we had the discussion in one meeting, then came back in two weeks [whenever possible] it would give us all time to gather facts and opinions from the members.... so we could make a wiser decision...

If we plan out our future there would not be so many last minute decisions to be made.... I've always wanted a 5 year plan.... something concete.... there are plans but I'd love to see them all on one spread sheet that we could all work with at meetings.... :coffee:

The last couple of Boards have been doing a good job.... the Finance, Facilities, and Activities committees are doing a good job.... We can do better tho.... I'd like to try anyway....

I'd like to bring the question about Security to the membership for vote.....

I'd like to put that boat lauch back in....

I'd like to bring more information to the membership in a number of great ways....

I'd like to give it a try....

Becky,
I am president of the board, allow me to respond to your "if I was President...."

If I were President of the Board.... I would ask that all the emails be sent to me... and then I would forward them to the rest of the Board and the GM....
As President I answer the e mails that are appropriate for my level, I let the Staff and GM handle the ones that are meant for them. delegation is Key.


If I were President of the Board....I would ask that we announce the next agenda whenever possible so people would have time to make comments or at least get their opinon heard before matters come up for vote...
The BOD meeting agenda is set 3-5 days before the meeting, then it is put on POACRE.ORG.


If I were President of the Board.... I would have a presentation of the projects the Board was trying to work on.... It's one thing to say we want to use money to build a skate park.... but it's quite another to actually go out for prices and design and bring that to the membership....
We do this work through our committees, the facilities committee, or more specifically me, contacted the skate park companies and we have plans and prices. All we need is the money. For that please reference the next STD that includes $200,000 over the next five years for playgrounds and skateparks. That was my contribution.

If I were President of the Board.... I would read the information about a matter involved to those who take the time to come to the meetings.... so everyone would know what we are working on..... If we had the discussion in one meeting, then came back in two weeks [whenever possible] it would give us all time to gather facts and opinions from the members.... so we could make a wiser decision...
most if not all matters for board discussion and vote have The available information attached to the board package. If more information is needed, then we often table a subject until such time as we can get the right info from the right people.

If we plan out our future there would not be so many last minute decisions to be made.... I've always wanted a 5 year plan.... something concete.... there are plans but I'd love to see them all on one spread sheet that we could all work with at meetings.... :coffee:
We have made efforts to plan long term, finance has done a good job, facilities is trying, as a board, I attempted short and long term goals for the board. These planning sesssions were short lived, partially due to board participation.

The last couple of Boards have been doing a good job.... the Finance, Facilities, and Activities committees are doing a good job.... We can do better tho.... I'd like to try anyway....

I'd like to bring the question about Security to the membership for vote.....the membership did vote several years ago, to keep and fund security. If the membership expresses an interest in revisiting security, we need to do so. Remember that security is in our covanents.

I'd like to put that boat lauch back in....
This boat ramp has been investigated, the cost is in the tens of thousands, it is in the Critical Area, and due to sand bars in the area, any ramp will be limited to very small draft boats. Even given these factors, the Facilities committee can be asked to investigate this once again.

I'd like to bring more information to the membership in a number of great ways....
Since becoming president i haver made the Round Up Times, a monthly publication, and based on an informal survey, 87% of CRE get their news from the RUT. There is CRE facebook page, The "official" one, there are e mail blasts for those that sign up at POACRE.ORG, there is POACRE.ORG, contact info for CRE is in all of these.
I'd like to give it a try....
If the membership chooses to let you "give it a try" then so be it, But I have a proven track reord for the last two years of constant improvement of CRE. I have had ALOT of help from very dedicated volunteers, who continue to volunteer because they believe in the current leadership. I foster and encourage volunteerism in CRE, if I am re elected these volunteers will continue.
please see below for the timelime of some of the accomplishments of CRE: some were my ideas: the Clubhouse overhaul, the pedal boats, 4H archery, Anne Marie Gardens Halloween and a few others. please note that I have attended 90% of CRE BOD meetings, as well as attending the lake bash (2), anne marie garden halloween (2), easter egg hunt, valentines dance, Kids christmas party (2), halloween (2), kite day, trail clearing, young eagles, video game tournaments (3).
Complete BOD actions
August 2010
Roberts rules for all BOD#
Initiated E mail from the BOD#
Fishing contest ##
Awarded dam engineering contract#
Awarded site engineering contract salt bldg.#
Extended lake Lariat season#
Moved meetings to clubhouse
Added mission and vision statement for BOD
Security "blotter" on website
Amended P&P #5
##
September 2010
Monthly RUT Sept#
Appoint J. Schroeter as VP
Approve construction of salt storage bldg. #
Approval for#Anne marie gardens
Facilities committee kick off
Final payment to Cunningham for whale case
Short term goals set, 0-3 months
Draft EAP from dam engineers
Contacted CMM director
Contacted Drumpoint POA president
Formed lake committee

October 2010
Airport open house
Halloween at the lake
Anne Marie Gardens candy give away
80k loan repaid
Yoga class
Beautification project
Goals update
Met w/county about gww and cliffs

November 2010
Approved purchase of 206 neighborhood watch signs
Microphones for bod meetings
Suggestion box
Approved yoga club
New stables rules approved
Repair field #2 at stables
Approved purchase on new backhoe
Approved one sheet#
Created and approved P&P #32, procedures for creating a CRE club
Stables fee increase to $125 per horse

December 2010
Started clearing trails
Update rules for weapons for 4h archery
Purchased 206 #Neighborhood watch signs
Xmas party w/ santa#
Approved purchase of new plows for new trucks
Handicap ramp for admin bldg. Complete
Received one new truck for roads w/plow
End off duty officers

January 2011
Ruth's miracle home//Member request for group home approved waiving Covenant 1 - GM to send letter of approval
CRE Social Club - Approved
Ballot issues
Annual audit complete/presented to BOD
Received new backhoe
Received second new truck for roads w/plow
Moved Monday meetings to first Wednesday of the month
Blue trail clear, ready to use

#March 2011
Meeting with BOCC
County approval for materials storage building, construction starts
Cub scouts clear trail
Free port a potti for garden area
Reinstate horseshoe club
Ballot count by CPA
Landing and steps repair for lake lariat approved
New copier contract for office
Member meeting , ballot issues discussed
Special audit of Ryan and Cunningham complete
#
April 2011
Dee Wunder resigns from stables
Dee Wunder made activities chair
Accept contract for D&D homes as presented in the amount of $17,471 for lake lariat steps.
Approve new CRE contract template
Present Mr. Gott a letter of support for his “Green at Lusby Town Center” concept plan.
Allow online voting
Send special audit as well as minutes and attorney billings to our attorney to determine if criminal and/or fiduciary negligence occurred.
Rain barrel workshop
Easter egg hunt

May 2011
Beach bash at the lake
Lake steps complete
Becky business approved
MD 50 club approved
P&p # 22 approved, reduce CH cost and deposit

June 2011
Paddle boats free
Dam repair contract signed
Summer solstice#
New picnic tables at driftwood
New entrance and direction signs
Security becomes CRE Patrol
2011/2012 budget adopted#

July 2011
Floating islands
$87k for facilities
New beach/lake signs
Member meeting

August 2011
4H starts youth archery#
$25 assessment goes out

November 2011
Food for needy families in CRE
Craft Fair
Appoint members to review ballots. Any scaduto, Walter theisen,. Carol cribbs
Approve contract to jw grainier, for campground.
Award Campground debris removal contract to Kelly tree service.
Award roadside debris removal to tricounty#


December 2011
Kids Christmas Party
Food for needy families in CRE
CH screens and fans installed
New security system at admin bldg
Airport to buy materials for new light, airport committee will assemble

January 2012
Cable and Internet at LL,CH,and admin
Bids on CH rehab
RC flying club
Play N Trade game day at CH/Mario cart
book club created
approved bids for CH renovation. #Awarded D&D Homes
approved garden user agreement
John Eney resigns as Airport manager
Bernie Wunder appointed Airport manager
Approved purchase of 2012 Dodge 3500 w/plow for roads. Purchased
Approved purchase of 2006 JD444 wheeled loader. Purchased
Met with county to discuss STD issues
Approved GM contract for 2 years
Airport light material purchased, construction begins

February 2012
Valentines dance
Video game competition-halo reach
CH renovation complete
SWM Grant program, 9 projects sent to county for action
Computer learning club established
CRE horseshoe club annual re-charter
CRE women's club established
MD50 airport club annual re-charter
approved disability parking request at amenities for sick lady#
VP Schroeter is now VTF Liaison
Approved request for Bank to construct Corral Drive to Aardvark

March 2012
Reduce campground fees for members 20%
First look at new rules and regs and bylaws
Approve 2012 pay for campground manager
Received input for #2012 GM goals and objectives
Kite day at seahorse

April
#Sewing club started
STD petition approved
New mower for maint
video game tournament. Mario Kart and Black Ops Zombies

May
ballots and meeting for verizon tower
received approx $100,000 in FEMA funds from hurricane.
verizon tower approved by membership

If I were President of the Board.... I would ask that all the emails be sent to me... and then I would forward them to the rest of the Board and the GM.... So she can control the information

If I were President of the Board....I would ask that we announce the next agenda whenever possible so people would have time to make comments or at least get their opinion heard before matters come up for vote... We do that already. How are you going to reinvent the wheel Becky?

If I were President of the Board.... I would have a presentation of the projects the Board was trying to work on.... It's one thing to say we want to use money to build a skate park.... but it's quite another to actually go out for prices and design and bring that to the membership.... Check, done that. Need mo' money. How is the treasurer going to make this happen for you Becky?

If I were President of the Board.... I would read the information about a matter involved to those who take the time to come to the meetings.... so everyone would know what we are working on..... If we had the discussion in one meeting, then came back in two weeks [whenever possible] it would give us all time to gather facts and opinions from the members.... so we could make a wiser decision... We have discussions now that get tabled so we can get more information. Are we going to table everything? Becky has done nothing to make that happen b/c she is only at 1 meeting a month. How is she going to be President with attending only one meeting a month and not even the required Saturday meetings?

If we plan out our future there would not be so many last minute decisions to be made.... I've always wanted a 5 year plan.... something concrete.... there are plans but I'd love to see them all on one spread sheet that we could all work with at meetings.... :coffee: Becky's allegedly a bookkeeper so she should have a spreadsheet with a five year plan to share with everyone, yes? Or is she not capable of working in groups, doesn't like to share, etc.?

The last couple of Boards have been doing a good job.... the Finance, Facilities, and Activities committees are doing a good job.... We can do better tho.... I'd like to try anyway.... Try what? Like how different from the nothing she has been doing for the past 10 -13 years (depending on what day you ask how long, no wait, nobody cares how long she's been on the board, my bad). Wasn't Becky in charge of Activities when and everybody quit? So... what is she going to do when all the volunteers quit< Fairies and magic dust.

I'd like to bring the question about Security to the membership for vote..... And why haven't you done so in the past 10 years Becky?

I'd like to put that boat launch back in.... Yes, Joann lobbied for that in fiscal years, 2010-2011 and 2011 - 2012 and then there isn't enough money to do so and now Veronica has said WHEREAS YOU ARE NOT PUTTING EVEN ANOTHER TRASH CAN AT THE BAY BEACHES IF SHE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY. So maybe you should have your friend Veronica tell us how we are putting in a boat launch.

I'd like to bring more information to the membership in a number of great ways.... Currently we are using sign boards, POACRE.org, RUT monthly, Facebook. What else are you going to try - carrier pigeon, smoke signals? Megaphone? Knock on doors? Town Crier? Semaphore?

I'd like to give it a try.... You've ten plus years to produce, what - nothing?:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

If I were President of the Board.... I would ask that all the emails be sent to me... and then I would forward them to the rest of the Board and the GM....

If I were President of the Board....I would ask that we announce the next agenda whenever possible so people would have time to make comments or at least get their opinon heard before matters come up for vote...

If I were President of the Board.... I would have a presentation of the projects the Board was trying to work on.... It's one thing to say we want to use money to build a skate park.... but it's quite another to actually go out for prices and design and bring that to the membership....

If I were President of the Board.... I would read the information about a matter involved to those who take the time to come to the meetings.... so everyone would know what we are working on..... If we had the discussion in one meeting, then came back in two weeks [whenever possible] it would give us all time to gather facts and opinions from the members.... so we could make a wiser decision...

If we plan out our future there would not be so many last minute decisions to be made.... I've always wanted a 5 year plan.... something concete.... there are plans but I'd love to see them all on one spread sheet that we could all work with at meetings.... :coffee:

The last couple of Boards have been doing a good job.... the Finance, Facilities, and Activities committees are doing a good job.... We can do better tho.... I'd like to try anyway....

I'd like to bring the question about Security to the membership for vote.....

I'd like to put that boat lauch back in....

I'd like to bring more information to the membership in a number of great ways....

I'd like to give it a try....

everybody should understand that Becky is a total trainwreck (thnk femaleJ PC) and a big reason the boards that she served on were ineffective. you couldn't force me to vote for her. If becky got elected president it would totally undo any of the good that has been done over the past couple years.


As for the current president, i think he is doing an acceptable job and certainly isn't trying to run the place into the ground chasing his personal agendas like the last guy.

CRE nothing more than a glorified trailor park

What is a "trailor?"

What is a "trailor?"
a portmanteau for someone who performs suit alterations from a mobile domicile.

tscott150/hotcoffee,

Is the next iteration of the STD just going to be unilaterally passed, again? Or will it be put to membership for a vote this time?


:tap:

I just moved into the CRE 2 weeks ago and my realtor told me she'd give me a "book of rules" and I have yet to receive it. Can I get one of these "books" from somewhere??

Thanks:whistle:

I just moved into the CRE 2 weeks ago and my realtor told me she'd give me a "book of rules" and I have yet to receive it. Can I get one of these "books" from somewhere??

Thanks:whistle:

go to the offcie and they will give you a copy.

Becky,
I am president of the board, allow me to respond to your "if I was President...."


If the membership chooses to let you "give it a try" then so be it, But I have a proven track reord for the last two years of constant improvement of CRE. I have had ALOT of help from very dedicated volunteers, who continue to volunteer because they believe in the current leadership. I foster and encourage volunteerism in CRE, if I am re elected these volunteers will continue.
please see below for the timelime of some of the accomplishments of CRE: some were my ideas: the Clubhouse overhaul, the pedal boats, 4H archery, Anne Marie Gardens Halloween and a few others. please note that I have attended 90% of CRE BOD meetings, as well as attending the lake bash (2), anne marie garden halloween (2), easter egg hunt, valentines dance, Kids christmas party (2), halloween (2), kite day, trail clearing, young eagles, video game tournaments (3).
Complete BOD actions
August 2010
Roberts rules for all BOD#
Initiated E mail from the BOD#
Fishing contest ##
Awarded dam engineering contract#
Awarded site engineering contract salt bldg.#
Extended lake Lariat season#
Moved meetings to clubhouse
Added mission and vision statement for BOD
Security "blotter" on website
Amended P&P #5
##
September 2010
Monthly RUT Sept#
Appoint J. Schroeter as VP
Approve construction of salt storage bldg. #
Approval for#Anne marie gardens
Facilities committee kick off
Final payment to Cunningham for whale case
Short term goals set, 0-3 months
Draft EAP from dam engineers
Contacted CMM director
Contacted Drumpoint POA president
Formed lake committee

October 2010
Airport open house
Halloween at the lake
Anne Marie Gardens candy give away
80k loan repaid
Yoga class
Beautification project
Goals update
Met w/county about gww and cliffs

November 2010
Approved purchase of 206 neighborhood watch signs
Microphones for bod meetings
Suggestion box
Approved yoga club
New stables rules approved
Repair field #2 at stables
Approved purchase on new backhoe
Approved one sheet#
Created and approved P&P #32, procedures for creating a CRE club
Stables fee increase to $125 per horse

December 2010
Started clearing trails
Update rules for weapons for 4h archery
Purchased 206 #Neighborhood watch signs
Xmas party w/ santa#
Approved purchase of new plows for new trucks
Handicap ramp for admin bldg. Complete
Received one new truck for roads w/plow
End off duty officers

January 2011
Ruth's miracle home//Member request for group home approved waiving Covenant 1 - GM to send letter of approval
CRE Social Club - Approved
Ballot issues
Annual audit complete/presented to BOD
Received new backhoe
Received second new truck for roads w/plow
Moved Monday meetings to first Wednesday of the month
Blue trail clear, ready to use

#March 2011
Meeting with BOCC
County approval for materials storage building, construction starts
Cub scouts clear trail
Free port a potti for garden area
Reinstate horseshoe club
Ballot count by CPA
Landing and steps repair for lake lariat approved
New copier contract for office
Member meeting , ballot issues discussed
Special audit of Ryan and Cunningham complete
#
April 2011
Dee Wunder resigns from stables
Dee Wunder made activities chair
Accept contract for D&D homes as presented in the amount of $17,471 for lake lariat steps.
Approve new CRE contract template
Present Mr. Gott a letter of support for his “Green at Lusby Town Center” concept plan.
Allow online voting
Send special audit as well as minutes and attorney billings to our attorney to determine if criminal and/or fiduciary negligence occurred.
Rain barrel workshop
Easter egg hunt

May 2011
Beach bash at the lake
Lake steps complete
Becky business approved
MD 50 club approved
P&p # 22 approved, reduce CH cost and deposit

June 2011
Paddle boats free
Dam repair contract signed
Summer solstice#
New picnic tables at driftwood
New entrance and direction signs
Security becomes CRE Patrol
2011/2012 budget adopted#

July 2011
Floating islands
$87k for facilities
New beach/lake signs
Member meeting

August 2011
4H starts youth archery#
$25 assessment goes out

November 2011
Food for needy families in CRE
Craft Fair
Appoint members to review ballots. Any scaduto, Walter theisen,. Carol cribbs
Approve contract to jw grainier, for campground.
Award Campground debris removal contract to Kelly tree service.
Award roadside debris removal to tricounty#


December 2011
Kids Christmas Party
Food for needy families in CRE
CH screens and fans installed
New security system at admin bldg
Airport to buy materials for new light, airport committee will assemble

January 2012
Cable and Internet at LL,CH,and admin
Bids on CH rehab
RC flying club
Play N Trade game day at CH/Mario cart
book club created
approved bids for CH renovation. #Awarded D&D Homes
approved garden user agreement
John Eney resigns as Airport manager
Bernie Wunder appointed Airport manager
Approved purchase of 2012 Dodge 3500 w/plow for roads. Purchased
Approved purchase of 2006 JD444 wheeled loader. Purchased
Met with county to discuss STD issues
Approved GM contract for 2 years
Airport light material purchased, construction begins

February 2012
Valentines dance
Video game competition-halo reach
CH renovation complete
SWM Grant program, 9 projects sent to county for action
Computer learning club established
CRE horseshoe club annual re-charter
CRE women's club established
MD50 airport club annual re-charter
approved disability parking request at amenities for sick lady#
VP Schroeter is now VTF Liaison
Approved request for Bank to construct Corral Drive to Aardvark

March 2012
Reduce campground fees for members 20%
First look at new rules and regs and bylaws
Approve 2012 pay for campground manager
Received input for #2012 GM goals and objectives
Kite day at seahorse

April
#Sewing club started
STD petition approved
New mower for maint
video game tournament. Mario Kart and Black Ops Zombies

May
ballots and meeting for verizon tower
received approx $100,000 in FEMA funds from hurricane.
verizon tower approved by membership

you've definitely patted yourself on the back.....
my question is....how much do we pay the campground manager?

you've definitely patted yourself on the back.....
my question is....how much do we pay the campground manager?

Personnel matters are generally confidential.

tscott150/hotcoffee,

Is the next iteration of the STD just going to be unilaterally passed, again? Or will it be put to membership for a vote this time?


:tap:

There is a meeting scheduled at the Southern Community Center on June 12th. This is the time to let the Commissioners know what you think about the Special Taxing District.

:coffee:

CRE SUCKS.
I am so glad I moved out of that hell hole.

You've ten plus years to produce, what - nothing?:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

These are the things I have done....

The Light at Appeal Lane & HG Truman.... I wrote letters to the commissioners and used the editorials to get the light installed by the County on a State Road to cut down on the number of accidents before a child was killed.

The Gott Drive, Gunsmoke Trail extention.... I developed an alternative design that would allow us to cut through from Town Square Drive [via a traffic circle] past the Building where Dr. Nasr has his offices to Food Lion. The design was presented to the Commissioners and it is still awaiting funding. I also stood up to the county to stop the road on the back side of Food Lion [Gott Drive lol] from joining to Gunsmoke. At that time the people who live along that section of Gunsmoke did not want the traffic from Drum Point, etc., going past their private residences to the post office.

Task Force to Study the Infrastructure Needs of Private Communities in Calvert County.... I was appointed to the Task Force by the County Commissioners and helped to research and write a report that was presented to the Maryland General Assembly. This was a 3 year project.... and we met in Prince Frederick almost every Thursday evening.

This work opened the door so that CRE could recieve FEMA funding based on the fact we have a Special Taxing District. [CRE recently received $100,000.00 to reimburse us for the damage done by Irene.]
This work also opened the door so that CRE could apply for grants on a small scale.
Recently I was apponted to the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee - created by the Commissioners at the request of the Task Force - which will hopefully open more funding possibilties for the community...


I ran for the office of Commissioner so that I could bring the needs of CRE to the public eye... invested $1000.00 of my own money and talked extensively about how the members in CRE pay the same taxes at the pump as other citizens of Calvert County but receive little or no return for those taxes.... opening the door for discussions about the State Highway User Revenue funds... When others found a way to bring those funds into the community, County Commissioners were aware of the need to assist.... CRE received over $100,000.00 in SHUR funding

Accomplishments on the Board...

In accordance with P&P #1, I worked with two other Board Members to combine the 6 P&P's governing financial matters into one P&P.
Worked with the Board to re-write the Rules and Regulations, updating them.
Stood up against the Board when the Roads Committee presented the last Special Taxing District Plan [the one we are finishing up now]... which they admitted [in a Board Meeting] included a request for more funding because they wanted room for the Commissioners to cut the amount [as they had done when Drum Point presented theirs]
Worked with another Board Member to push for the clean up of the campgrounds where members were stealing electric and telephone service and building permanent structures on their spots.
Developed, published, recorded, and reported the first survey of membership since 1991- other surveys were accomplished by committee with basically the same results
Utilizing the MD Assessment & Taxation Database, built a data book listing the names of all owners along with the residential homes, rental homes, vacant lots, and POACRE lots which was later used by staff to check the database in the office


Committees I have served on
Architectural Review
Activities
Emergency Planning Task Force

Events
When we had no activities committee, and almost no activities budget I managed to organize and hold [with the assistance of the ROTC, and a couple of very helpful members before some of the current activities committee members stepped up]

Easter Egg Hunt
Christmas Party
New Years Eve
Car Show
Lake Bash

Then after returning to the board I worked as Liaison with a couple of people to organize
Haunted Halloween


I was not on John Eney's Board....
I was not a party to the Whale issue....
I have been vocal against raising the fees without a plan approved by the membership so they know what they will get for their money as opposed to "we haven't done it in a while"


Year before last I was not available for the volunteerism due to Lyme disease.

When I got back on the Board I asked to be Activities Liaison and Travis asked me to step down after I worked with 2 people to put on the Haunted Halloween.
I worked with another board member and the Stables Commitee to save the stables and assisted with the 5 year plan
Volunteered on the Emergency Planning Task Force [using my CERT training]

Yes.... Travis has been a good President of the Board...

When I asked Travis to take the question of Security to the membership... He told me that he believes we need Security to keep CRE from looking like a slum and ended the conversation.
I believe Security is a waste of money, there's a more economical way to accomplish the tasks, so there is more funding for Maintenance and less funding for Operations....

I believe we are a Property Owner's Association. Travis seems to be happy with the Homeowners Association way of doing things.

Yep.... I've made a few enemies over the years.... but I've been active for a very long time and I'll step up this time to run for President of the Board because I think we need a Mult-year Capital Funding Plan to upgrade the campgrounds and the lake building... among other things....

You've been reading my words here for years.... first as residentofcre and then as hotcoffee.... :coffee:

CRE SUCKS.
I am so glad I moved out of that hell hole.

Me too!

That was my first and definitely my LAST experience with a HOA. It was a complete mess when I lived there (I moved out 3 years ago).

Wirelessly posted

You've ten plus years to produce, what - nothing?:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

These are the things I have done....

The Light at Appeal Lane & HG Truman.... I wrote letters to the commissioners and used the editorials to get the light installed by the County on a State Road to cut down on the number of accidents before a child was killed.

The Gott Drive, Gunsmoke Trail extention.... I developed an alternative design that would allow us to cut through from Town Square Drive [via a traffic circle] past the Building where Dr. Nasr has his offices to Food Lion. The design was presented to the Commissioners and it is still awaiting funding. I also stood up to the county to stop the road on the back side of Food Lion [Gott Drive lol] from joining to Gunsmoke. At that time the people who live along that section of Gunsmoke did not want the traffic from Drum Point, etc., going past their private residences to the post office.

Task Force to Study the Infrastructure Needs of Private Communities in Calvert County.... I was appointed to the Task Force by the County Commissioners and helped to research and write a report that was presented to the Maryland General Assembly. This was a 3 year project.... and we met in Prince Frederick almost every Thursday evening.

This work opened the door so that CRE could recieve FEMA funding based on the fact we have a Special Taxing District. [CRE recently received $100,000.00 to reimburse us for the damage done by Irene.]
This work also opened the door so that CRE could apply for grants on a small scale.
Recently I was apponted to the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee - created by the Commissioners at the request of the Task Force - which will hopefully open more funding possibilties for the community...


I ran for the office of Commissioner so that I could bring the needs of CRE to the public eye... invested $1000.00 of my own money and talked extensively about how the members in CRE pay the same taxes at the pump as other citizens of Calvert County but receive little or no return for those taxes.... opening the door for discussions about the State Highway User Revenue funds... When others found a way to bring those funds into the community, County Commissioners were aware of the need to assist.... CRE received over $100,000.00 in SHUR funding

Accomplishments on the Board...

In accordance with P&P #1, I worked with two other Board Members to combine the 6 P&P's governing financial matters into one P&P.
Worked with the Board to re-write the Rules and Regulations, updating them.
Stood up against the Board when the Roads Committee presented the last Special Taxing District Plan [the one we are finishing up now]... which they admitted [in a Board Meeting] included a request for more funding because they wanted room for the Commissioners to cut the amount [as they had done when Drum Point presented theirs]
Worked with another Board Member to push for the clean up of the campgrounds where members were stealing electric and telephone service and building permanent structures on their spots.
Developed, published, recorded, and reported the first survey of membership since 1991- other surveys were accomplished by committee with basically the same results
Utilizing the MD Assessment & Taxation Database, built a data book listing the names of all owners along with the residential homes, rental homes, vacant lots, and POACRE lots which was later used by staff to check the database in the office


Committees I have served on
Architectural Review
Activities
Emergency Planning Task Force

Events
When we had no activities committee, and almost no activities budget I managed to organize and hold [with the assistance of the ROTC, and a couple of very helpful members before some of the current activities committee members stepped up]

Easter Egg Hunt
Christmas Party
New Years Eve
Car Show
Lake Bash

Then after returning to the board I worked as Liaison with a couple of people to organize
Haunted Halloween


I was not on John Eney's Board....
I was not a party to the Whale issue....
I have been vocal against raising the fees without a plan approved by the membership so they know what they will get for their money as opposed to "we haven't done it in a while"


Year before last I was not available for the volunteerism due to Lyme disease.

When I got back on the Board I asked to be Activities Liaison and Travis asked me to step down after I worked with 2 people to put on the Haunted Halloween.
I worked with another board member and the Stables Commitee to save the stables and assisted with the 5 year plan
Volunteered on the Emergency Planning Task Force [using my CERT training]

Yes.... Travis has been a good President of the Board...

When I asked Travis to take the question of Security to the membership... He told me that he believes we need Security to keep CRE from looking like a slum and ended the conversation.
I believe Security is a waste of money, there's a more economical way to accomplish the tasks, so there is more funding for Maintenance and less funding for Operations....

I believe we are a Property Owner's Association. Travis seems to be happy with the Homeowners Association way of doing things.

Yep.... I've made a few enemies over the years.... but I've been active for a very long time and I'll step up this time to run for President of the Board because I think we need a Mult-year Capital Funding Plan to upgrade the campgrounds and the lake building... among other things....

You've been reading my words here for years.... first as residentofcre and then as hotcoffee.... :coffee:

:bs:

Becky, you are taking credit for things you didn't do and things that haven't happened.

In my experience YOU were a huge part of the problem everytime you served. You are dense and don't even understand that you don't understand. For those of you who doubt Becky's "JPC" character, all you need to do is talk to her for just a few minutes or read a bunch of her posts. Hell, she is even bragging about a failed county commissioner run, just like JPC claiming vitocry for a resounding defeat.

You know, I lived in CRE longer than anyplace I've ever lived in my life. And I don't miss it.

Lots of private communities somehow manage to meet their needs without the constant flow of cash that seemed to bleed out from me year after year in the form of HOA fees and the Special Tax District. I couldn't for the life of me figure out where all the money was going, but I sure didn't want to keep giving it to them just to find out eventually.

I still don't know where all the damned money goes. I swear a great deal of it went into the process of collecting it from me.

Wirelessly posted



:bs:

Becky, you are taking credit for things you didn't do and things that haven't happened.

In my experience YOU were a huge part of the problem everytime you served. You are dense and don't even understand that you don't understand. For those of you who doubt Becky's "JPC" character, all you need to do is talk to her for just a few minutes or read a bunch of her posts. Hell, she is even bragging about a failed county commissioner run, just like JPC claiming vitocry for a resounding defeat.

I had written in a lot of sources where you could check the information I put in here.... but I decided to take it out....

Plenty of people know that what I wrote is the truth.... Geeze I've been online here for years.... and you've been giving me grief for years.... it's all documented somewhere.... :duel:

It's ok if you jab me again... I know you love me.... just as much as you hate Cusick.... :geek:

So... I didn't win Commissioner.... I made my point and eventually we got SHUR funds through the Commissioners I campaigned against....and then county SHUR funds got cut and our funding went down....

I know I have a lot of people who don't agree with me.... but so be it.... I can't please you all.... the items I put in the post are my accomplishments... Anyone who posts as much as I do has to be careful to tell it like it is cause what you right is always out there somewhere....

Like I said... Travis has done a good job.... We have different philosophies...

He likes Security.... I think the Security force at CRE is a waste of money and the members should be allowed to vote to save it or terminate it....
He likes running CRE as an HOA.... I would like to move us to a POA.... even if it would take a change in the law....

Becky Tice :coffee:

This thread is like being at a BBQ!!! :popcorn:

There is a meeting scheduled at the Southern Community Center on June 12th. This is the time to let the Commissioners know what you think about the Special Taxing District.

:coffee:


I went to the last Commissioners Meeting about the STD, and wrote a follow-up email letting them know I was opposed to it. It was voted on and passed by them anyway.
What give them the right to vote on it, and not the residents that actually live in CRE?

This thread is like being at a BBQ!!! :popcorn:

:killingme

These are the things I have done....

The Light at Appeal Lane & HG Truman.... I wrote letters to the commissioners and used the editorials to get the light installed by the County on a State Road to cut down on the number of accidents before a child was killed.

The Gott Drive, Gunsmoke Trail extention.... I developed an alternative design that would allow us to cut through from Town Square Drive [via a traffic circle] past the Building where Dr. Nasr has his offices to Food Lion. The design was presented to the Commissioners and it is still awaiting funding. I also stood up to the county to stop the road on the back side of Food Lion [Gott Drive lol] from joining to Gunsmoke. At that time the people who live along that section of Gunsmoke did not want the traffic from Drum Point, etc., going past their private residences to the post office.

Task Force to Study the Infrastructure Needs of Private Communities in Calvert County.... I was appointed to the Task Force by the County Commissioners and helped to research and write a report that was presented to the Maryland General Assembly. This was a 3 year project.... and we met in Prince Frederick almost every Thursday evening.

This work opened the door so that CRE could recieve FEMA funding based on the fact we have a Special Taxing District. [CRE recently received $100,000.00 to reimburse us for the damage done by Irene.]
This work also opened the door so that CRE could apply for grants on a small scale.
Recently I was apponted to the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee - created by the Commissioners at the request of the Task Force - which will hopefully open more funding possibilties for the community...


I ran for the office of Commissioner so that I could bring the needs of CRE to the public eye... invested $1000.00 of my own money and talked extensively about how the members in CRE pay the same taxes at the pump as other citizens of Calvert County but receive little or no return for those taxes.... opening the door for discussions about the State Highway User Revenue funds... When others found a way to bring those funds into the community, County Commissioners were aware of the need to assist.... CRE received over $100,000.00 in SHUR funding

Accomplishments on the Board...

In accordance with P&P #1, I worked with two other Board Members to combine the 6 P&P's governing financial matters into one P&P.
Worked with the Board to re-write the Rules and Regulations, updating them.
Stood up against the Board when the Roads Committee presented the last Special Taxing District Plan [the one we are finishing up now]... which they admitted [in a Board Meeting] included a request for more funding because they wanted room for the Commissioners to cut the amount [as they had done when Drum Point presented theirs]
Worked with another Board Member to push for the clean up of the campgrounds where members were stealing electric and telephone service and building permanent structures on their spots.
Developed, published, recorded, and reported the first survey of membership since 1991- other surveys were accomplished by committee with basically the same results
Utilizing the MD Assessment & Taxation Database, built a data book listing the names of all owners along with the residential homes, rental homes, vacant lots, and POACRE lots which was later used by staff to check the database in the office


Committees I have served on
Architectural Review
Activities
Emergency Planning Task Force

Events
When we had no activities committee, and almost no activities budget I managed to organize and hold [with the assistance of the ROTC, and a couple of very helpful members before some of the current activities committee members stepped up]

Easter Egg Hunt
Christmas Party
New Years Eve
Car Show
Lake Bash

Then after returning to the board I worked as Liaison with a couple of people to organize
Haunted Halloween


I was not on John Eney's Board....
I was not a party to the Whale issue....
I have been vocal against raising the fees without a plan approved by the membership so they know what they will get for their money as opposed to "we haven't done it in a while"


Year before last I was not available for the volunteerism due to Lyme disease.

When I got back on the Board I asked to be Activities Liaison and Travis asked me to step down after I worked with 2 people to put on the Haunted Halloween.
I worked with another board member and the Stables Commitee to save the stables and assisted with the 5 year plan
Volunteered on the Emergency Planning Task Force [using my CERT training]

Yes.... Travis has been a good President of the Board...

When I asked Travis to take the question of Security to the membership... He told me that he believes we need Security to keep CRE from looking like a slum and ended the conversation.
I believe Security is a waste of money, there's a more economical way to accomplish the tasks, so there is more funding for Maintenance and less funding for Operations....

I believe we are a Property Owner's Association. Travis seems to be happy with the Homeowners Association way of doing things.

Yep.... I've made a few enemies over the years.... but I've been active for a very long time and I'll step up this time to run for President of the Board because I think we need a Mult-year Capital Funding Plan to upgrade the campgrounds and the lake building... among other things....

You've been reading my words here for years.... first as residentofcre and then as hotcoffee.... :coffee:


Wrote letters, appointed to task force, R&R's not been approved have they? Produce solid evidence of accomplishments; all I see is wishes and requests, not results that can be traced back to you specifically.
Volunteers on Activities refused to serve with Becky and she had to be asked to step down; the results of which have been a very robust monthly Activities events under the current committee chair that are very well received and attended.
Ran for BOCC and lost because nobody buys her self important rhetoric.
Becky's CERT training is 10 years old. It didn't help much when we had hurricane Irene last year that devastated CRE. This year when the CERT training was held, Becky didn't bother to show up to support those being trained at any time during the 3 day training that OUR MEMBERS took time to get done. Who would YOU rely on in an emergency?? I'm going with the group that has up to date training. When the trained CERT group wanted to hold a meeting for further planning, they were shut down by Becky. Who would you rely on in an emergency?
The stables 5 year plan hasn't gone so well. The barn that is supposed to come down for a year now is still standing, barely.
A data book for employees to use? Who would you rely on to continue forward progress in CRE to bring current technology and current methodologies to solve problems vs. staying stuck in 1970?? We need to utilize up to date technology to be able to continue to do more with less.
You've had 10+ years to implement a Multi year Capital Funding Plan (i.e. have CRE members pay more $$$) and you haven't produced anything. How are you funding this? Faerie dust and magical volunteers? The volunteers won't work for you. They've proven that over the past 2 years.


It's more hot air and nothingness and someone who can't make the required Saturday meetings. And if that is what you want for CRE, then you know who to vote for.

If you eliminate security, what happens then? The county spends little time in here, who is going to enforce the rules and regs? I hope you have a plan for that. I know that you have spoken out against the STD before, how do expect to keep up the infrastructure we have now if it is removed?

5 year plans are useless, circumstances and people change. What happened to the 5 year plan for the stables? that ended less than 6 months in. WHY????? How do you intend to pay for all the things on the list you have provided? We want facts not "hope and change", we've all seen where that has gotten us.

Frankly it makes me ill to think of all the money being sucked out of me (which, by the way is a hardship for me, and many of the other homeowners in the neighborhood. If you didn't realize, most people live there because it is the most affordable area for young families and those with moderate income)

The "security" IS USELESSSSSS. they do nothing but ride around in the ranch club trucks, speeding through the neighborhood and doing sidejobs on their time. Rules and regulations? gtfo yourselves. Hello..a full1/4 of the houses in there are nothing but glorified storage sheds. And I won't hate on folks because sometimes thats all you can afford. but really, a bunch of folks driving around in trucks does nothing.

I do not see why millions of dollars is neccesary to run that damn place. My road isn't paved, and I do not use a single amenity. EVER. I don't even go get my stickers, theres no need.

From what Ive seen people seem to think that the ranch club is some kind of business. It isn't. Its a neighborhood with REAL people living in it. Real people living in the middle of tough times, trying to afford to live somewhere. stables? skateparks? campgrounds? what do like, 5% of people actually use those things? sell the so called amenities, bulldoze any dilapidated buildings and be done with it. Its ridiculous that my HOA fees and special taxes and special assesments far outstrip the fees in better, nicer, richer neighborhoods, for which I get nothing tangible in return.

I love my house. I have good neighbors. I am thankful that I can afford my house in these times when other people are losing theirs. But I am not some bank to keep pulling money out of so that morons on the interenet can fight about all the lovely things they did.

Did I read somewhere if they incorporate, they plan to name it Pottersville?

I do not see why millions of dollars is neccesary to run that damn place. My road isn't paved,

^THIS.
(my road isn't paved either; I never expected it to be.)


I am not some bank to keep pulling money out of....

^And this.
I agree with what was said about not picking up the decals; my husband argues that we should get them because we've paid for them. When the kiddos were small, we used to go to the beaches/lake quite a bit, but they are grown and (almost) gone, and it's been quite a while since we've been to any of them. I don't think we've ever used any of the other amenities.

:ohwell:

a portmanteau for someone who performs suit alterations from a mobile domicile.

That made my brain hurt.

That made my brain hurt.

Portmanteau was on my word of the day calendar and it fit here, sorry about your brain.

This thread is like being at a BBQ!!! :popcorn:

You must be right. We were treated to 10-15 minutes of firecrackers going off around 930 last night. Some people will always be a##holes.
Never did see a security(?) vehicle.

last time I went to enjoy the beach with my family, I listened to a picnic table full of Board and Committee members, bad mouthing others in the Community....that was enough to make us leave a facility we pay dues to enjoy.

Good, the bad and the ugly...

No one put the "light up" at the Appeal/Post office entrance...that is WILL ALWAYS BE, nothing less than, doesn't matter if you beg, can not be done unless it meets state/federal guidelines for the light or someone too many lives are lost at the intersection from crashes.

Security is in the covenants...but heck so was racist/limits on who could live in CRE - that didn't require a vote...it was just wrong. And you could call security "the young people standing at the lake/beach, Sat and Sun, from Memorial Day to Labor Day " security and still meet the requirements - for $10 an hour. No truck, no vehicle, no insurance for the car, etc.

Stop trying to BUILD, start letting go. People CANNOT afford more. The only plan they want is a "fazeout plan" to reduce costs and stuff for upkeep. Heck take a vote - and I bet you could sell the campgrounds. Great place to start.

hey while you guys are politicing, and making all these unkept promises, can you also promise to do something about the homeowners/renters, that allow their grass to grow 2 feet high, and continuously litter their yards with trash, and debris, and are not held accountable for the upkeep of their property? I have neighbors who have an electrical cord stretched across the street, and are using another home to provide electricity to theirs, and have been running a generator for weeks! Run down camper, crap and debris laying everywhere. Yes, a lovely place to live....and no possible chance of me selling my home to get out.

I had written in a lot of sources where you could check the information I put in here.... but I decided to take it out....

Plenty of people know that what I wrote is the truth.... Geeze I've been online here for years.... and you've been giving me grief for years.... it's all documented somewhere.... :duel:

thats because i have actually met you and wouldnt trust you to be responsible for picking the dog crap up from my yard let alone run a multimillion dollar HOA.


It's ok if you jab me again... I know you love me.... just as much as you hate Cusick.... :geek:

So... I didn't win Commissioner.... I made my point and eventually we got SHUR funds through the Commissioners I campaigned against....and then county SHUR funds got cut and our funding went down....
so you ran for commissioner and lost, then others who were elected did somthing. How is that YOUR accomplishment?



I know I have a lot of people who don't agree with me.... but so be it.... I can't please you all.... the items I put in the post are my accomplishments... Anyone who posts as much as I do has to be careful to tell it like it is cause what you right is always out there somewhere....

Like I said... Travis has done a good job.... We have different philosophies...

He likes Security.... I think the Security force at CRE is a waste of money and the members should be allowed to vote to save it or terminate it....
He likes running CRE as an HOA.... I would like to move us to a POA.... even if it would take a change in the law....

Becky Tice :coffee:

Again, i encourage anyone who thinks that Becky Tice would be a good choice for any office to have a conversation with her first.

last time I went to enjoy the beach with my family, I listened to a picnic table full of Board and Committee members, bad mouthing others in the Community....that was enough to make us leave a facility we pay dues to enjoy.

What do you expect - quiet time? They are allowed to talk about anything they want, it is their right. :cds: Oh well, they are voicing opinions amongst friends. Too bad you were so offended. :1bdz::1bdz:

we in CRE pay the highest effective property tax rate in the county do to the perpetual STD. We should be able to stop it simply base upon its inability to be temporary. It will never end as there is no way to maintain all the improvements it is designed to give us. Funding levels of the roads maintenance budget will never cover a fully paved CRE. And it will take over 50 years to achieve that. So if the STD isn't stopped we will be continually taxed at rates above all other County residents. That should be enough to stop it. Additionally we need to compare the cost of these non standard roads with that of the county and see if we are getting a good bargain from our volunteer managers.

we in CRE pay the highest effective property tax rate in the county do to the perpetual STD. We should be able to stop it simply base upon its inability to be temporary. It will never end as there is no way to maintain all the improvements it is designed to give us. Funding levels of the roads maintenance budget will never cover a fully paved CRE. And it will take over 50 years to achieve that. So if the STD isn't stopped we will be continually taxed at rates above all other County residents. That should be enough to stop it. Additionally we need to compare the cost of these non standard roads with that of the county and see if we are getting a good bargain from our volunteer managers.
So what is the solution? Go back to where we were 15 years ago with mostly gravel roads?

The solution is to come up with payment for the County Standard roads paid for by all county residents eqiitably just like we contribute to all the roads within the county and state and country within which we reside. Additionally use the funding sources that are provided for not an additional unfair tax against a small group of land owners. That is the appropriate solution.

The solution is to come up with payment for the County Standard roads paid for by all county residents eqiitably just like we contribute to all the roads within the county and state and country within which we reside. Additionally use the funding sources that are provided for not an additional unfair tax against a small group of land owners. That is the appropriate solution.


Then dissolve the POA or incorporate. That will be how you accomplish the above. And if you incorporate you still will be paying for your own roads, the County doesn't have a piece of the roads in an incorporated municipality and the State only has the the State numbered roads.

This is a direct quote taken from a Circuit Court Transcript case # C-09-706 in Calvert county involving an argument over the Chesapeake Ranch Special taxing district:

County Atty Demedis: ""I don't think due process requires that the people in this subdivision be given the opportunity to vote as to whether or not their board of directors makes the petition. They do have the power to vote those people out if they don't like it."

The "petition" is the petition for the special taxing district and the appointment of the POACRE Board as the beneficiary of the tax proceeds.

The argument, which was not decided by the court, was based on the fact that the law in Calvert County incorporates by reference the bylaws of the HOA for the purposes of voting and due process. The problem with that is that at any time, and for any arbitrary reason including fines, fees, dues, and attorney fees being unpaid, property owners are denied their right to vote. That is a prohited version of a poll tax.

Until someone with deep enough pockets can pursue an expensive court battle to correct this violation of the constitution born of an unholy alliance between the POACRE BOD and the County Commissioners, and maybe even sending someone to jail over it, this is how it will be.

The other problem with this statement is that it is confiscating money from private property owners for the benefit of a private corporation. Now some believe that POACRE is owned by the property owners. It is not. It is a stand alone corporate person. The properties it owns are owned soley by the corporate person "Property Owners Association of Chesapeake Ranch Estates" which is a misnomer and terribly wrong. No individual has any property right interest or equity interest in any of the properties owned by POACRE.

An analogy would be if Six Flags were to be able to levy a tax on your private property, force its collection on you at the peril of being hauled into court, and in exchange you were given the "privilege" of having access to its air park and stables.

It would be a whole different story if the "property owners" in CRE actually had equity interest in the common properties the way the HOA law assumes it would be. It would be a whole different story if POACRE were a property trust corporation. But it isn't. It isn't accountable to anyone for anything that it can do "legally".

Thanks for weighing in, ex.


This is a direct quote taken from a Circuit Court Transcript case # C-09-706 in Calvert county involving an argument over the Chesapeake Ranch Special taxing district:

County Atty Demedis: ""I don't think due process requires that the people in this subdivision be given the opportunity to vote as to whether or not their board of directors makes the petition. They do have the power to vote those people out if they don't like it."


Sure we have the power to vote them out. Problem is, the next group that comes into office sees dollar signs that the STD generates, and they'll ask (practically beg?) the comissioners to approve the next one. IMO, I really don't think anyone that gets voted in will want to stop the STD.
And it's absolute horse poop.

:ohwell:

Thanks for weighing in, ex.





Sure we have the power to vote them out. Problem is, the next group that comes into office sees dollar signs that the STD generates, and they'll ask (practically beg?) the comissioners to approve the next one. IMO, I really don't think anyone that gets voted in will want to stop the STD.
And it's absolute horse poop.

:ohwell:


You went right past the point. The STD is employing an illegal process of denying persons to vote for their taxing Board of Directors by and through an unlawful use of the "member not in good standing" provision in the bylaws. That provision bars taxpaying persons in the subdivision from voting in a POACRE election. When you are dealing with taxation and due process, that is the thing that will eventually destroy political careers and possibly send people to jail.

No ...oh well ... about it.

I thought I understood what you were getting at. The - oh well - was because I focused on the part about about STD approval/defeat being in the commissioner's hands, coupled with the fact that whatever officers are voted in for POACRE will most likely back whatever the commissioners decide - as long as the STD continues.
Hope that clarifies it.

Until someone with deep enough pockets can pursue an expensive court battle to correct this violation of the constitution born of an unholy alliance between the POACRE BOD and the County Commissioners, and maybe even sending someone to jail over it, this is how it will be.

And it's is unfortunate that the deep pockets don't go deep enough......

I thought I understood what you were getting at. The - oh well - was because I focused on the part about about STD approval/defeat being in the commissioner's hands, coupled with the fact that whatever officers are voted in for POACRE will most likely back whatever the commissioners decide - as long as the STD continues.
Hope that clarifies it.



And it's is unfortunate that the deep pockets don't go deep enough......

The approval or disapproval of the STD is in the hands of the members in good standing and who they put into office. If the homeowners don't care enough to involve themselves in the process of the STD through involvement, they will get exactly what they deserve.

Then dissolve the POA or incorporate. That will be how you accomplish the above. And if you incorporate you still will be paying for your own roads, the County doesn't have a piece of the roads in an incorporated municipality and the State only has the the State numbered roads.

If 99% of the members voted to dissolve the POA then the other 1% would be open to going to court to take the amenities.

I would rather change the HOA into a true POA that pays dividends instead of costing us money.....

Even if we were to follow the Municipality route.... the amenities could very well become an income source.... North Beach and Chesapeake Beach are good examples of this.

So we turn our amenities into something everyone wants to enjoy.... and only members can reap the financial benefits..... wouldn't that make sense? It would take a lot of work... not to mention some legislative and legal costs.... but I think it is a good direction for us to consider....

If 99% of the members voted to dissolve the POA then the other 1% would be open to going to court to take the amenities.

I would rather change the HOA into a true POA that pays dividends instead of costing us money.....

Even if we were to follow the Municipality route.... the amenities could very well become an income source.... North Beach and Chesapeake Beach are good examples of this.

So we turn our amenities into something everyone wants to enjoy.... and only members can reap the financial benefits..... wouldn't that make sense? It would take a lot of work... not to mention some legislative and legal costs.... but I think it is a good direction for us to consider....

That is so absolutely not true. If any majority voted to dissolve, it would be dissolved and no other member would have standing to challenge it. POACRE owns all the amenities "in fee simple". That means that no property owner owns or has a money interest in those amenities. They are completely disposable be whoever is in control of the corporation. Control of the corporation is a matter of a simple bylaw amendment. That is why a couple of certain lawyers and property owners are so interested in controlling things from the shadows.

That is why a couple of certain lawyers and property owners are so interested in controlling things from the shadows.

YUUUP :whistle:
And one of the reasons I sold my place back in 2003.

That is so absolutely not true. If any majority voted to dissolve, it would be dissolved and no other member would have standing to challenge it. POACRE owns all the amenities "in fee simple". That means that no property owner owns or has a money interest in those amenities. They are completely disposable be whoever is in control of the corporation. Control of the corporation is a matter of a simple bylaw amendment. That is why a couple of certain lawyers and property owners are so interested in controlling things from the shadows.

The Task Force formed by the Maryland General Assembly to Study the Infrastructure Needs of Private Communities in Calvert County studied that particular question.

Let me ask you the question a different way.... Cheasapeake Ranch Estates owns common property valued in the millions of dollars. If the HOA [which should actually be a POA] were dissolved, what would happen to the land?

The Task Force formed by the Maryland General Assembly to Study the Infrastructure Needs of Private Communities in Calvert County studied that particular question.

Let me ask you the question a different way.... Cheasapeake Ranch Estates owns common property valued in the millions of dollars. If the HOA [which should actually be a POA] were dissolved, what would happen to the land?

If the land is covenanted to be permanently in "open space" with strict language on what can and can't be done with the land, and that any property owner in the CRE subdivision has unobstructed access, enjoyment, ingress, and egress without penalty or fee applied; what does it matter who owns it?

This discussion is really moot because it cannot happen this way. The way it should go down is if the POACRE Board first would agree to correct the deeds for all the amenities to say that each and every property owner is an owner in equity and that POACRE is operating in the capacity of a property trust. That way, if POACRE should dissolve or be dissolved, the property owners get first right of refusal on recovering the amenities. This does NOT change the HOA status, but actually cements it.

Right now, POACRE is operating in the capacity of a land developer owner of the subdivision as if they had purchased CRC, Inc. and not just the amenities. This is the fundamental flaw in their documents and the reason they can never get reconciled with their base.

If the land is covenanted to be permanently in "open space" with strict language on what can and can't be done with the land, and that any property owner in the CRE subdivision has unobstructed access, enjoyment, ingress, and egress without penalty or fee applied; what does it matter who owns it?

This discussion is really moot because it cannot happen this way. The way it should go down is if the POACRE Board first would agree to correct the deeds for all the amenities to say that each and every property owner is an owner in equity and that POACRE is operating in the capacity of a property trust. That way, if POACRE should dissolve or be dissolved, the property owners get first right of refusal on recovering the amenities. This does NOT change the HOA status, but actually cements it.

Right now, POACRE is operating in the capacity of a land developer owner of the subdivision as if they had purchased CRC, Inc. and not just the amenities. This is the fundamental flaw in their documents and the reason they can never get reconciled with their base.

And this is why I keep saying we should not be an HOA... we should be a POA...

You present an interesting concept here....

And this is why I keep saying we should not be an HOA... we should be a POA...

You present an interesting concept here....

There is no difference between a POA and an HOA unless you change the definition of "Properties" to be restricted only to the property owned by the POACRE corporation and NOT the privately owned properties in the subdivision.

Also, you would have to recognize that there is only one enforceable covenant being the roads fees. POACRE's position of Declarant was obtained by fraud and its enforcement of contracts is done by forgery based on that fraud, BUT the road fees do run with the land and would be enforceable. The M&O fees were stripped from CRC, Inc. BEFORE the buyout and were declared unenforceable by COSA which is one reason for their bankruptcy. It was only be a smoke and mirrors act of forgery that they were made enforceable by the original POACRE BOD.

[QUOTE=exnodak;4841567]There is no difference between a POA and an HOA unless you change the definition of "Properties" to be restricted only to the property owned by the POACRE corporation and NOT the privately owned properties in the subdivision.

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All the second paragraph aside.... your description of a POA is exactly what I'm after. I bought my land that my house sits on and my private lot.... and I don't think it should be part of an HOA.... but it is.... IMHO that's why HOA's are so costly....

A POA however could be profitable for everyone....

[QUOTE=exnodak;4841567]There is no difference between a POA and an HOA unless you change the definition of "Properties" to be restricted only to the property owned by the POACRE corporation and NOT the privately owned properties in the subdivision.

QUOTE]

All the second paragraph aside.... your description of a POA is exactly what I'm after. I bought my land that my house sits on and my private lot.... and I don't think it should be part of an HOA.... but it is.... IMHO that's why HOA's are so costly....

A POA however could be profitable for everyone....

If you are not willing to acknowledge the forgery and fraud there is no compelling reason for anyone to listen to you about making any change.

One more thing: CRE is NOT a common ownership community. A common ownership community would be what you are describing you want. What we have is a corporately owned system of amenities that subjects the property owners as subservient tenements in order to extract covenant and other fees. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

The corporation is a stand alone corporate person with no defined owners.

The fact that the "members" as property owners control the corporation is a simple fact of the bylaws which can be changed by any group of 101 votes. Anyone could be appointed to control and collect by a simple bylaw change.

That means that only 2/100ths of the voting population could alter the control of the entire organization. That is the threat everyone should be afraid of with this apathetic population.

One more thing: CRE is NOT a common ownership community. A common ownership community would be what you are describing you want. What we have is a corporately owned system of amenities that subjects the property owners as subservient tenements in order to extract covenant and other fees. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

The corporation is a stand alone corporate person with no defined owners.

The fact that the "members" as property owners control the corporation is a simple fact of the bylaws which can be changed by any group of 101 votes. Anyone could be appointed to control and collect by a simple bylaw change.

That means that only 2/100ths of the voting population could alter the control of the entire organization. That is the threat everyone should be afraid of with this apathetic population.

Ok... now you're just out in left field.... I have no idea what you are talking about there....

apathetic????

I don't know about you.... but my neighbors all care about the community and the people in it.... they are active in church, youth groups, volunteer at the firehouse.... they are active in PTA, support a lot of the local youth sports groups... and on and on and on....

Apathetic??? I don't think that is apathetic....

IMHO the problem isn't apathy.... it's WIIFM.....

HC, just curious if the majority of the people that live in CRE are not apathetic, why is the voter turn out always so low in voting there. I think the majority are all apathetic and don't get up off their butts to vote for anything but are the first to complain. JMHO.

HC, just curious if the majority of the people that live in CRE are not apathetic, why is the voter turn out always so low in voting there. I think the majority are all apathetic and don't get up off their butts to vote for anything but are the first to complain. JMHO.

Why bother..... it's all about WIIFM....

There's no marketing. There are always complaints about lack of communication.

I've talked to people who don't even know when the ballots comes out.

Why bother..... it's all about WIIFM....

There's no marketing. There are always complaints about lack of communication.

I've talked to people who don't even know when the ballots comes out.

First, WIIFM and apathy are not mutually exclusive. We have both and the both damage the community.

Second, the communication issues stem from incompetence by the managers and the simple frustration the homeowner has that nothing can be done except ignore the problem.

I have spent 10 years trying to point out what is written in plain english in the legal documents and agreements of sale and gotten nowhere because each and every POACRE BOD has fought the truth. Unless we get a BOD that is willing to make some admissions, we will have what we have and that is all that we will have.

First, WIIFM and apathy are not mutually exclusive. We have both and the both damage the community.

Second, the communication issues stem from incompetence by the managers and the simple frustration the homeowner has that nothing can be done except ignore the problem.

I have spent 10 years trying to point out what is written in plain english in the legal documents and agreements of sale and gotten nowhere because each and every POACRE BOD has fought the truth. Unless we get a BOD that is willing to make some admissions, we will have what we have and that is all that we will have.

I don't think admissions is the key to anything. While it might make you feel better it doesn't solve anything.... and it might not be based on the truth. Could just be lip service....know what I mean?

IMHO.... we need to work on resolutions.... solutions to the problems....

We need to learn that we can't please everyone.... you can please some people some of the time and all the people some of the time.... but you can't please all the people all the time.... it's just not going to happen... we are a diverse community....

We need a Capital Projects Plan... published and updated regularly....

We need a Marketing plan.... published and updated regularly....

We need legislation to change from an HOA to a POA....

We've begun to turn the corner in that we are spending more on Maintenance than on Operations.... there is still room for improvement.

We can clammer about the past or we can look toward the future and set a course with vivid measurable markers....

We have some awesome volunteers working for us.... we have some great neighbors.... We have a great location and a wonderful community....

:coffee:

I don't think admissions is the key to anything. While it might make you feel better it doesn't solve anything.... and it might not be based on the truth. Could just be lip service....know what I mean?

IMHO.... we need to work on resolutions.... solutions to the problems....

We need to learn that we can't please everyone.... you can please some people some of the time and all the people some of the time.... but you can't please all the people all the time.... it's just not going to happen... we are a diverse community....

We need a Capital Projects Plan... published and updated regularly....

We need a Marketing plan.... published and updated regularly....

We need legislation to change from an HOA to a POA....

We've begun to turn the corner in that we are spending more on Maintenance than on Operations.... there is still room for improvement.

We can clammer about the past or we can look toward the future and set a course with vivid measurable markers....

We have some awesome volunteers working for us.... we have some great neighbors.... We have a great location and a wonderful community....

:coffee:

So, instead of the truth, you would simply list your wants and claim you are moving forward. More of the same: doing the same thing and expecting different results.

So, instead of the truth, you would simply list your wants and claim you are moving forward. More of the same: doing the same thing and expecting different results.

So what are you doing to move the community forward? Oh wait... you came up with a way to blend the water so the arsenic contamination was not so bad.

That by the way... is genuinely a compliment....

:coffee:

I've been thinking.... why not record the meetings and make the recordings available on POACRE.org, SOMD Online, and facebook....

:coffee:

This is what I wrote.... I got to say the majority of it...

Please allow me to respond as a member in good standing of the Property Owners Association Chesapeake Ranch Estates concerning the request for a renewal of the Special Taxing District.

It is my understanding that the Special Taxing District is a method utilized by Chesapeake Ranch Estates, with the assistance of the Calvert County Government, to pave the primary and secondary roads in Chesapeake Ranch Estates. Further, it is my understand that the Special Taxing District is a method utilized to provide sorely needed Storm Water Management.

I appreciate the benefits of a Special Taxing District. This method of funding is not only a reliable source of income with oversight, but in some cases allows the members to take advantage of a tax deduction not available when paying our regular M&O and Road fees required by the governing documents. The existence of a Special Taxing District allows cost reimbursement in the event of natural catastrophic events through FEMA and MEMA funds.

Although we, the membership of POACRE, have been paying into this Special Taxing District fund for nearly 15 years:

1.The majority of the sixty-six [66] miles of roads are still unpaved.
2.The storm water management necessary to maintain the sixty-six [88] miles of road is still largely unaddressed, causing major problems.
3.This particular document leaves miles of road and storm water management still unscheduled.
4.Although the community is now nearing build out, the storm water management problem is adversely impacting the community, the Mill Creek Watershed, and the Chesapeake Bay.
5.The cost of road construction is directly impacted by the rising cost of asphalt and other oil based products.

In addition, the inclusion of funding for road maintenance as well as a capital improvement project included in this particular document seems to move Chesapeake Ranch Estates away from a Special Taxing District and into a Special Services District not unlike the Special Services Districts utilized in St. Mary's County to maintain and upgrade older HOA communities with massive infrastructure.

In my opinion, therefore, the community would be better served if the Board of Commissioners would consider the following steps.

•Renew the Special Taxing District at the current [or lower] rate for the period of one or two years instead of the five years requested to allow a fresh approach to the massive infrastructure need.
•Task the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee with researching a more effective method of funding this major infrastructure issue, to include among other methods, Bonding or a Special Services District.
•Task the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee with meeting with the POACRE membership and reporting back to the Board of Commissioners.
•Task the POACRE Board with renewed education concerning the projected cost of the infrastructure needs and the fiscal tools available, and allow the membership to choose the path to their future.
•At the end of the agreed upon renewal, renew the Special Taxing District as written today, replace the renewal with a more efficient funding method, or dissolve the funding method leaving the infrastructure to erode and face forfeiture of eligibility for FEMA and MEMA funds.
Thank you for reading this. I sincerely hope that the Commissioners and the membership of POACRE will be better for the effort.

Me too!

That was my first and definitely my LAST experience with a HOA. It was a complete mess when I lived there (I moved out 3 years ago).

Prolly foreclosed on.:cartwheel

This is what I wrote.... I got to say the majority of it...


Which part/s didn't you get to say?

Which part/s didn't you get to say?

The last two suggestions.... But they have the letter.... so they'll read it...

Now it's up to the commissioners one more time...

I'd like to see them lower the tax to no more than $150.00.... or make it go down to $1.00 so we can keep our FEMA eligibility....

:coffee:

The last two suggestions.... But they have the letter.... so they'll read it...

Now it's up to the commissioners one more time...

I'd like to see them lower the tax to no more than $150.00.... or make it go down to $1.00 so we can keep our FEMA eligibility....

:coffee:


And this is going to help the community how? Loss of fund will be disastrous, we all know that the county wants nothing to do with our roads. If this is lost how do you intend to make up the difference? The only way to actually change the fees is by membership vote and we've all seen how that goes. Short of a one time assessment changes require covenant changes and we all know how that will go since it takes finding all the owners and getting 50%+1 to agree. I hope you have a plan because all these people say end the STD but none have a way to replace the lost funding.
:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

And this is going to help the community how? Loss of fund will be disastrous, we all know that the county wants nothing to do with our roads. If this is lost how do you intend to make up the difference? The only way to actually change the fees is by membership vote and we've all seen how that goes. Short of a one time assessment changes require covenant changes and we all know how that will go since it takes finding all the owners and getting 50%+1 to agree. I hope you have a plan because all these people say end the STD but none have a way to replace the lost funding.
:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:

I find that the majority of the people I talk to don't understand the Special Taxing District.

That was the point of my suggestions...[here they are again for your convenience]


• Renew the Special Taxing District at the current [or lower] rate for the period of one or two years instead of the five years requested to allow a fresh approach to the massive infrastructure need.
• Task the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee with researching a more effective method of funding this major infrastructure issue, to include among other methods, Bonding or a Special Services District.
• Task the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee with meeting with the POACRE membership and reporting back to the Board of Commissioners.
• Task the POACRE Board with renewed education concerning the projected cost of the infrastructure needs and the fiscal tools available, and allow the membership to choose the path to their future.
• At the end of the agreed upon time period, renew the Special Taxing District as written today, replace the renewal with a more efficient funding method, or dissolve the funding method leaving the infrastructure to erode and face forfeiture of eligibility for FEMA and MEMA funds.


The Special Taxing District has been around for 15 years but the new members do not have the benefit of the pros and cons listed in the original discussions fifteen years ago. That's why I suggest the Commissioners task the Board with providing the information to the membership. [On a side note... I try to educate every time this issue comes up... but the rolling of the eyes stops me short.... I know it gets boring hearing me talk about past actions]

There are other funding methods available. The county has staff and a committee that could research those other funding methods. There may be a better way to accomplish the task that wasn't available or practical back when the Special Taxing District was formed 15 years ago.

If we continue the tax at the same or lower rate for a year or two, CRE retains the eligibility for FEMA reimbursements in the event of a catastrophy, and the engineering and paving of road projects can continue.

One way or another.... the membership should have all the information and then be allowed to make a decision based on facts.

:coffee:

I find that the majority of the people I talk to don't understand the Special Taxing District.

That was the point of my suggestions...[here they are again for your convenience]


• Renew the Special Taxing District at the current [or lower] rate for the period of one or two years instead of the five years requested to allow a fresh approach to the massive infrastructure need.
• Task the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee with researching a more effective method of funding this major infrastructure issue, to include among other methods, Bonding or a Special Services District.
• Task the Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee with meeting with the POACRE membership and reporting back to the Board of Commissioners.
• Task the POACRE Board with renewed education concerning the projected cost of the infrastructure needs and the fiscal tools available, and allow the membership to choose the path to their future.
• At the end of the agreed upon time period, renew the Special Taxing District as written today, replace the renewal with a more efficient funding method, or dissolve the funding method leaving the infrastructure to erode and face forfeiture of eligibility for FEMA and MEMA funds.


The Special Taxing District has been around for 15 years but the new members do not have the benefit of the pros and cons listed in the original discussions fifteen years ago. That's why I suggest the Commissioners task the Board with providing the information to the membership. [On a side note... I try to educate every time this issue comes up... but the rolling of the eyes stops me short.... I know it gets boring hearing me talk about past actions]

There are other funding methods available. The county has staff and a committee that could research those other funding methods. There may be a better way to accomplish the task that wasn't available or practical back when the Special Taxing District was formed 15 years ago.

If we continue the tax at the same or lower rate for a year or two, CRE retains the eligibility for FEMA reimbursements in the event of a catastrophy, and the engineering and paving of road projects can continue.

One way or another.... the membership should have all the information and then be allowed to make a decision based on facts.

:coffee:

The problem working with the Common ownership task force is that we are not a common ownership community. Ownership is vested in the corporate person "POACRE" as the deeds to the property show. Even though control of the "POACRE" is putatively in the domain of the "members in good standing", there is no provision for equity in the corporation meaning there are no ownership rights for individual members. Furthermore, losing control of the corporation requires a mere bylaw change. It would only take .02 (two one hundredths) of the community voting to give control of the corporation to ANY other entity.

In short POACRE owns the amenities and more than 500 individual lots, and NOBODY owns POACRE. There is no common ownership of infrastructure.

The problem working with the Common ownership task force is that we are not a common ownership community. Ownership is vested in the corporate person "POACRE" as the deeds to the property show. Even though control of the "POACRE" is putatively in the domain of the "members in good standing", there is no provision for equity in the corporation meaning there are no ownership rights for individual members. Furthermore, losing control of the corporation requires a mere bylaw change. It would only take .02 (two one hundredths) of the community voting to give control of the corporation to ANY other entity.

In short POACRE owns the amenities and more than 500 individual lots, and NOBODY owns POACRE. There is no common ownership of infrastructure.

The committee that is supposed to be available to advise the Commissioners on the infrastructure needs of communities like ours is called COIAC [Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee].... So it fits....

You may not approve of the name of the committee but it's there for them to use and a few of us have already done part of the research.... we just need to update our information some...

:coffee:

The committee that is supposed to be available to advise the Commissioners on the infrastructure needs of communities like ours is called COIAC [Common Ownership Infrastructure Advisory Committee].... So it fits....

You may not approve of the name of the committee but it's there for them to use and a few of us have already done part of the research.... we just need to update our information some...

:coffee:

Brick wall

did i read somewhere if they incorporate, they plan to name it pottersville?

nice!!!!!

Brick wall

Brick walls can be overcome.... all it takes is a little work....

:yahoo:

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:yahoo:

Any time I say something someone doesn't approve of.... there are plenty of people who will be there and ready to post something mean....:coffee:




Anyway.... Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the video from the Special Taxing District hearing the other night?

Guess I could go over to the Courthouse and ask. I work right next door to it. I'm just wondering if there's something I can download on a laptop to show it through the system. A link would be helpful,

I'd like to try to add it to the agenda Saturday.

Becky

Video Agenda System (http://ccg.mavenspire.net/120612Agenda/agendaviewer.asp)

Let's face it, people have been paying into a Special Taxing District for the last 15 years, and probably will pay into it for the next five years, and will still live on an unpaved road.

"this is not the end-all be-all of Special Taxing Districts. When will all the roads get paved... Never???"

The County Commissioners at their Tuesday, June 12 meeting were told by Terry Carlson (departmental public works) that after the end of this proposed five-year Special Taxing District that all of POACRE roads would most likely be paved. I believe that to be absolutely inaccurate.

With the cost of paving, and the amount roads that need to be paved, there's no way that the $4.7 million that are allocated in the next Special Taxing District to roads improvements, are going to pave the rest of the homeowners association roads. At a cost of nearly $1 million per mile to pave a road, you can do the math and figure out how many miles of currently unpaved roads will be paved with the next Special Taxing District funds.

Another issue that the County Commissioners had, was that the petition submitted by the Board of Directors did not include a scope of work that identified what roads would be paved in this new Special Taxing District. The County attorney also backed up that claim saying:

Though it is not clear which, if any, unpaved roads are proposed to be paved or what priory new paving has, if any, over maintenance of paved roads.


Unfortunately I believe the utility of a Special Taxing District is quickly coming to an end. It was a Band-Aid on a larger problem 15 years ago, and that Band-Aid can no longer address the problem.

I've seen some ideas on here and and heard of some others that should be explored. There should be other options for a more complete solution to our roads. Multiple options should be explored, presented the membership, and allow the membership to vote to steer the community and what they support, feel comfortable with and believe is the best direction for community.

Prolly foreclosed on.:cartwheel

:confused:

I have no foreclosures on my record.

Video Agenda System (http://ccg.mavenspire.net/120612Agenda/agendaviewer.asp)

I'm looking for the public comment section. This is the Commissioner's discussion before the meeting occurred.

I'm really afraid the Special Taxing District #4 is going to pass in its entirety because the Commissioners feel that the all the remaining roads will be paved at the end of this 5 years.

Also... No one has mentioned the $97,000 beetle mitigation reserve that is built into this STD. In order for the people who live on the cliffs to sustain their property... they will need to build something like a wall and the cost of the beetle mitigation for that wall which would span CRE common property would be about $97,000. That does not include the cost of the wall.

[wall may be the wrong word but I'm trying to make the point that no one is talking about it]

:coffee:

I'm looking for the public comment section. This is the Commissioner's discussion before the meeting occurred.

I'm really afraid the Special Taxing District #4 is going to pass in its entirety because the Commissioners feel that the all the remaining roads will be paved at the end of this 5 years.

Also... No one has mentioned the $97,000 beetle mitigation reserve that is built into this STD. In order for the people who live on the cliffs to sustain their property... they will need to build something like a wall and the cost of the beetle mitigation for that wall which would span CRE common property would be about $97,000. That does not include the cost of the wall.

[wall may be the wrong word but I'm trying to make the point that no one is talking about it]

:coffee:

I sent an email to the board about this question....

Travis responded....

"The Golden west way funds in the STD petition are NOT for tiger beetle mitigation. I do not recall the STD petition mentioning tiger beetles Those funds are there in case we receive federal aid and are required to contribute monies. If that does not happen then that money will be used for roads improvement. "

:coffee:

I'm looking for the public comment section. This is the Commissioner's discussion before the meeting occurred.

I'm really afraid the Special Taxing District #4 is going to pass in its entirety because the Commissioners feel that the all the remaining roads will be paved at the end of this 5 years.

Also... No one has mentioned the $97,000 beetle mitigation reserve that is built into this STD. In order for the people who live on the cliffs to sustain their property... they will need to build something like a wall and the cost of the beetle mitigation for that wall which would span CRE common property would be about $97,000. That does not include the cost of the wall.

[wall may be the wrong word but I'm trying to make the point that no one is talking about it]

:coffee:

The tiger beetles are not mentioned in the std Petition. The money in the std for gww is to match funds for federal aid should it become available. There is no planned funding for cliff repair and/or stabilization.

Southern Maryland Newspapers : CRE residents angry with 4th tax petition (http://m.somdnews.com/sommdnews/db_287109/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Xt0Pq07H)

The tiger beetles are not mentioned in the std Petition. The money in the std for gww is to match funds for federal aid should it become available. There is no planned funding for cliff repair and/or stabilization.

The way I understood what VH was telling the committee was .... first they have to get the mitigation funding.... then engineers would have to come in and approve a plan... then the plan could be put into affect in order to save the property.

VH is still working on getting all the approvals. I asked how much our mitigation costs would be [because CRE owns some of the land they want to protect with the walls] and the amount I got was estimated at $97000.00.

I was told not to worry about that tho because one government agency probably would charge another government agency... or we could trade land for it.... etc.... just wait and see....

Then the same amount shows up under the heading of GWW reserve....

That's why I'm bringing this up Travis.... it's a valid question... right?
:coffee:

First, WIIFM and apathy are not mutually exclusive. We have both and the both damage the community.

Second, the communication issues stem from incompetence by the managers and the simple frustration the homeowner has that nothing can be done except ignore the problem.

I have spent 10 years trying to point out what is written in plain english in the legal documents and agreements of sale and gotten nowhere because each and every POACRE BOD has fought the truth. Unless we get a BOD that is willing to make some admissions, we will have what we have and that is all that we will have.

I think what we need, as a homeowners association, is for the Board of Directors to initiate an independent legal review our current governing documents. The Association needs to move forward. I believe the first step is to determine where we stand legally with our current government documents, plot of course to update or change the fundamental governance system and move forward to put in place a more modern system with something similar to a common property trust. The Board of Directors should cease to continue building and expanding the Corporation. In my opinion, the private community concept of the Chesapeake Ranch Estate has continued to be diluted throughout the years to the point where we should just be a subdivision of the County with the common property being controlled by a common property trust.

Did anyone get a video of the meeting itself? I've been checking on the Courthouse site, but it's not on there yet.

Any sound tracks?

:coffee:

Well.... I would like to talk about CRE.... and it's that time of year again....

If I were to be President on the Board in CRE there are a few things I would change....

1. I would like to see the Board take an active position to get the documents straightened out... There is talk of Municipality again.... that's a question that should be taken to the membership .... the governing documents need to be cleaned up either way the vote goes....

2. I would like to see the question of "Security" brought to the whole membership for vote.... Back in history, before the gates came down, security was a good idea.... now it's an inefficient expense that should be reorganized.... [or not] The question needs to go to the membership....

3. I would like to see if there is a way to get a Bonded roads project that would allow us to finally just pave the rest of the roads..... White Sands did it using the Special Roads District.... Drum Point and CRE are using the Special Taxing District.... It's time to look at more expedient ways to proceed before the cost of paving becomes even more astronomical....

4. The beaches are looking much better.... The clubhouse looks really nice now.... the upkeep and maintenance work is not done tho....I would like to see the boat launch put back in at the beach.... I'm also interested in putting a skate board park in where the Stables are now... The campgrounds needs some attention to make it more attractive to those who would pay to use it [putting money into the fund for other projects].... AND I would like to do something about that horrible looking upper compound across from the Stables.... It's an eye sore....

While I am happy to report.... the last couple of boards have definitely been following the "more maintenance cost & less operations cost" fiscal approach I have been asking for all these years... there is still a lot to be done that the current President hasn't been able to get to....

If you ask me .... which you didn't.... I think the current President did a good job but I'm wondering if he's burning out.... The job of President of the Board is a difficult one.... it takes a lot of time and energy.... it also takes a lot of time away from the family....

I've been holding a director spot on and off for 13 years now.... Maybe it's time I stepped up to do my few years as President of the Board so that I can finally get these few agenda items taken care of.

I admit it.... I have agenda items.... they are listed above.... and most are boldened....

Just saying.... maybe I should nominate myself for a slot as President of the Board.... since the Nominating Committee didn't even bother to call me and ask if I would consider running for the Director spot again.... :coffee:

I know now.... after going to the Special Taxing District that the skateboard park is a no go.... right? About 100 people in the room, at least 25% spoke their mind, a few [less than you can count on your hand] were in favor of the skateboard park.

:coffee:

If you want leadership vote Travis Scott for president!

What bothers me is some need to come up with their own ideas and stop high jacking.....
Also, re-elect Michael Matters for director..

I'm not a witch I'm bi-polar---- :D

I know now.... after going to the Special Taxing District that the skateboard park is a no go.... right? About 100 people in the room, at least 25% spoke their mind, a few [less than you can count on your hand] were in favor of the skateboard park.

:coffee:




It took about a week for the video of the Special Taxing District hearing for Drum Point to appear on the Board of County Commissioners portion of the Calvert County website. So I would check back every few days, I'm sure the video will be posted soon.

I actually found it completely irresponsible for the Board of Directors to request additional taxation in this economic climate for the purpose of "an immediate need for recreation". The reaction at the public hearing for that additional taxation was probably completely warranted

It took about a week for the video of the Special Taxing District hearing for Drum Point to appear on the Board of County Commissioners portion of the Calvert County website. So I would check back every few days, I'm sure the video will be posted soon.

I actually found it completely irresponsible for the Board of Directors to request additional taxation in this economic climate for the purpose of "an immediate need for recreation". The reaction at the public hearing for that additional taxation was probably completely warranted

IMHO....It was good to see so many people speaking their mind. If we could record audio and video of all our meetings, and produce an agenda that allowed for public comment, CRE would be so much better off.

:coffee:

If you want leadership vote Travis Scott for president!

What bothers me is some need to come up with their own ideas and stop high jacking.....
Also, re-elect Michael Matters for director..

I'm not a witch I'm bi-polar---- :D

I can't high jack a forum I started. Travis did a good job. We just have different philosophies.

To begin with....Travis thinks that CRE needs the Security people. I don't.

The way I understood what VH was telling the committee was .... first they have to get the mitigation funding.... then engineers would have to come in and approve a plan... then the plan could be put into affect in order to save the property.

VH is still working on getting all the approvals. I asked how much our mitigation costs would be [because CRE owns some of the land they want to protect with the walls] and the amount I got was estimated at $97000.00.

I was told not to worry about that tho because one government agency probably would charge another government agency... or we could trade land for it.... etc.... just wait and see....

Then the same amount shows up under the heading of GWW reserve....

That's why I'm bringing this up Travis.... it's a valid question... right?
:coffee:

:coffee:

That's great. Wasn't talking about your form...

So, someone talking hot air out their rear????

I can't high jack a forum I started. Travis did a good job. We just have different philosophies.

To begin with....Travis thinks that CRE needs the Security people. I don't.

:coffee:

I heard Jerry Springer gets his best guests from the CRE Trailor Park

I know now.... after going to the Special Taxing District that the skateboard park is a no go.... right? About 100 people in the room, at least 25% spoke their mind, a few [less than you can count on your hand] were in favor of the skateboard park.

:coffee:

IMHO....It was good to see so many people speaking their mind. If we could record audio and video of all our meetings, and produce an agenda that allowed for public comment, CRE would be so much better off.

:coffee:

The way I understood what VH was telling the committee was .... first they have to get the mitigation funding.... then engineers would have to come in and approve a plan... then the plan could be put into affect in order to save the property.

VH is still working on getting all the approvals. I asked how much our mitigation costs would be [because CRE owns some of the land they want to protect with the walls] and the amount I got was estimated at $97000.00.

I was told not to worry about that tho because one government agency probably would charge another government agency... or we could trade land for it.... etc.... just wait and see....

Then the same amount shows up under the heading of GWW reserve....

That's why I'm bringing this up Travis.... it's a valid question... right?
:coffee:

I'm looking for the public comment section. This is the Commissioner's discussion before the meeting occurred.

I'm really afraid the Special Taxing District #4 is going to pass in its entirety because the Commissioners feel that the all the remaining roads will be paved at the end of this 5 years.

Also... No one has mentioned the $97,000 beetle mitigation reserve that is built into this STD. In order for the people who live on the cliffs to sustain their property... they will need to build something like a wall and the cost of the beetle mitigation for that wall which would span CRE common property would be about $97,000. That does not include the cost of the wall.

[wall may be the wrong word but I'm trying to make the point that no one is talking about it]

:coffee:

I'm getting a lot of those mean people again so I must be on to something...

Which is it?

:coffee:

.... I actually found it completely irresponsible for the board of directors to request additional taxation in this economic climate for the purpose of "an immediate need for recreation". the reaction at the public hearing for that additional taxation was probably completely warranted


^^This^^

I heard Jerry Springer gets his best guests from the CRE Trailor Park

What is a trailor?

So the candidates are going to have some kind of get together.

This will give the people a chance to get a sense of the philosophies.

Guess that should be fun.

Becky Tice

Here it is... it's on video.... (http://ccg.mavenspire.net/120612PublicHearing/agendaviewer.asp)

Go to 44:34 and listen.....

"we're not going to pave all the roads" Ed Harvey

There has to be a better way....

:coffee:

Here it is... it's on video.... (http://ccg.mavenspire.net/120612PublicHearing/agendaviewer.asp)

Go to 44:34 and listen.....

"we're not going to pave all the roads" Ed Harvey

There has to be a better way....

:coffee:


Please tell us what that BETTER WAY might be if the STD goes away that doesn't make the burden worse than it already is. The $250 hasn't changed any and the extra $10 A YEAR is a trip to Starbucks for coffee for two. We all wait for the great plan to be revealed.

With the sort of logic you promote, I wouldn't be surprised if you're Scott Tice's mother and JPC's concubine.

Please tell us what that BETTER WAY might be if the STD goes away that doesn't make the burden worse than it already is. The $250 hasn't changed any and the extra $10 A YEAR is a trip to Starbucks for coffee for two. We all wait for the great plan to be revealed.

We're going to have a meet the candidates event.... I'll tell everyone then.

:coffee:

I can't believe a neighborhood can be turned into such a bunch of political BS. I have a lot of family and friends that live there and most of them are all selling and getting out of Dodge.

We're going to have a meet the candidates event.... I'll tell everyone then.

:coffee:

Does this mean the plan is a big secret? Or that you don't have one and you are working on the "hope and change" deal? If the people don't like this STD, how will they react to raising of the fees or another form of the same tax? How do you intend to fund this - that is what those who are paying attention want to know.

What is a trailor?

It's where a tired sailor lives.

Does this mean the plan is a big secret? Or that you don't have one and you are working on the "hope and change" deal? If the people don't like this STD, how will they react to raising of the fees or another form of the same tax? How do you intend to fund this - that is what those who are paying attention want to know.

I'm glad you are paying attention. If I were to be elected, this plan would have to be put to a successful member vote before I would think of taking it further. I'll explain the plan when the time is right.

It means I don't want to give the plan out until the candidate's forum.

I'll be happy to share it at or after the "meet the candidates" event. I've put a lot of work and thought into this and I would prefer that it stay under wraps until then.

If there is no candidates forum, or no "meet the candidates" event scheduled by the 13th of July.... I'll explain it all on both SOMD Online and facebook.

In other words.... success or failure... I don't want anyone else taking the credit or the blame for it... makes sense huh!

:coffee:

I'm glad you are paying attention. If I were to be elected, this plan would have to be put to a successful member vote before I would think of taking it further. I'll explain the plan when the time is right.

It means I don't want to give the plan out until the candidate's forum.

I'll be happy to share it at or after the "meet the candidates" event. I've put a lot of work and thought into this and I would prefer that it stay under wraps until then.

If there is no candidates forum, or no "meet the candidates" event scheduled by the 13th of July.... I'll explain it all on both SOMD Online and facebook.

In other words.... success or failure... I don't want anyone else taking the credit or the blame for it... makes sense huh!

:coffee:

Is this a paid position? :shrug:

Is this a paid position? :shrug:

If you mean.... does it pay a salary? Nope...


POACRE is where I raised my daughter. It's important because it's home....



:coffee:

send out a dividend check.


:bs:

Thought it might be interesting to get into the politics of Chesapeake Ranch Estates again.

It's that time of year again..... ;)

I'm thinking of nominating myself for a spot on the Board again.... whatcha think?

I've been doing this for a long time [longer than JP].... :coffee:

Hey, what happened to the forums on the POACRE page I got an account but still couldnt get into them?

It's a beautiful place to live.... I went to the beach yesterday.... gorgeous day out on the bay.... just beautiful place to live.....

We have great neighbors... our kids have excellent schools with great teachers....

We have not one but 2 grocery stores and lots of good restaurants around the corner but we don't have the big traffic jams like Prince Frederick to the north and California to the south.... Meanwhile our roads are getting better.... our clubhouse is renovated and it looks awesome....

It's a beautiful place to live....

I haven't heard too much from the members on the cliff, lately. They are waiting on the different departments of different govenments [county, state, federal] to all get on the same page and then they can do some work.... When projects get to that phase there's always a slow down....

CRE is a beautiful place to live.... :coffee:

We have a church now too :-)

Hey, what happened to the forums on the POACRE page I got an account but still couldnt get into them?

Forums on POACRE.ORG isn't working.... the President seems to dislike the forums....

The old POACRE site on SOMD Online is closed down. A director use to run it but he left the board and that was pretty much it.

A lot of people are on facebook now.... Chesapeake Ranch Estates has a group... I avoided it for a long time.... The comments on the facebook page seemed to be a very big distraction for the board for a while.... That's gotten a lot better recently....

I have a page called Residents of CRE also.... I've been working on the Covenants with input from about 40 people.... I posted a whole bunch of clips from SOMD Online to that facebook page... I took some of my comments from as far back as 2004 and passed them along. A few of the board members don't know what happened that far back.... I bore them with history I'm afraid.... don't want to re-invent the wheel.... just make it better...

I'm happy we have a little church in CRE now. I bet it will outgrow that room pretty soon. I'd love to give it a couple more years to grow tho.

Good to be talking with you again Stonethrower....

:coffee:

The Chesapeake Ranch Estates group page is not working this morning.

I saw a link [in my gmail account] from Michael Matters saying something about being booted out.

You are all invited to visit Chesapeake Ranch Estates Also on facebook for more information when it becomes available.

I hear the Candidates forum is taking place soon.... I'm looking forward to it...

:coffee:

Forums on POACRE.ORG isn't working.... the President seems to dislike the forums....

The old POACRE site on SOMD Online is closed down. A director use to run it but he left the board and that was pretty much it.

A lot of people are on facebook now.... Chesapeake Ranch Estates has a group... I avoided it for a long time.... The comments on the facebook page seemed to be a very big distraction for the board for a while.... That's gotten a lot better recently....

I have a page called Residents of CRE also.... I've been working on the Covenants with input from about 40 people.... I posted a whole bunch of clips from SOMD Online to that facebook page... I took some of my comments from as far back as 2004 and passed them along. A few of the board members don't know what happened that far back.... I bore them with history I'm afraid.... don't want to re-invent the wheel.... just make it better...

I'm happy we have a little church in CRE now. I bet it will outgrow that room pretty soon. I'd love to give it a couple more years to grow tho.

Good to be talking with you again Stonethrower....

:coffee:
Becky
I do not dislike the forums, I appriciate any outlet that increases communication and allows our membership to exchange info.
Travis

Becky
I do not dislike the forums, I appriciate any outlet that increases communication and allows our membership to exchange info.
Travis

Travis....

You sure do make a big deal when anyone says things on facebook etc.

It was a distraction for the first 6 months of this board.

Becky:coffee:

Travis....

You sure do make a big deal when anyone says things on facebook etc.

It was a distraction for the first 6 months of this board.

Becky:coffee:

Really Becky?? You have shown up to board meetings SCREAMING about postings on Facebook. And you brought forth the removal of a Director. Distractions??? You need to go look in the mirror! Anything that you can do or say to make others look bad and you look good is your MO, including blatant character assassinations. You are a toxic mess and that is most likely the reason you haven't been able to get elected as CRE President for 10+ years.

Travis is not the perfect President, but you are the perfect liar and manipulator.

Really Becky?? You have shown up to board meetings SCREAMING about postings on Facebook. And you brought forth the removal of a Director. Distractions??? You need to go look in the mirror! Anything that you can do or say to make others look bad and you look good is your MO, including blatant character assassinations. You are a toxic mess and that is most likely the reason you haven't been able to get elected as CRE President for 10+ years.

Travis is not the perfect President, but you are the perfect liar and manipulator.

Well said!!!!

Well said!!!!

Thank you!

Really Becky?? You have shown up to board meetings SCREAMING about postings on Facebook. And you brought forth the removal of a Director. Distractions??? You need to go look in the mirror! Anything that you can do or say to make others look bad and you look good is your MO, including blatant character assassinations. You are a toxic mess and that is most likely the reason you haven't been able to get elected as CRE President for 10+ years.

Travis is not the perfect President, but you are the perfect liar and manipulator.

What you going to say about this Becky? Remember cinwagon?

What you going to say about this Becky? Remember cinwagon?

She posted something about it last night, but since deleted it. I wish I had saved it. She seems to think that anyone who doesn't want her to be elected is "Travis's fan club."

The reality is that there is a huge "anyone but Becky" fan club.

What you going to say about this Becky? Remember cinwagon?

Originally Posted by cregardener
Really Becky?? You have shown up to board meetings SCREAMING about postings on Facebook. And you brought forth the removal of a Director. Distractions??? You need to go look in the mirror! Anything that you can do or say to make others look bad and you look good is your MO, including blatant character assassinations. You are a toxic mess and that is most likely the reason you haven't been able to get elected as CRE President for 10+ years.

Travis is not the perfect President, but you are the perfect liar and manipulator.

I like this post. :howdy:

Sorry it was sinwagon not cinwagon :whistle:

Sorry it was sinwagon not cinwagon :whistle:

Oh you mean this post? sinwagon (http://forums.somd.com/archive/t-204594.html)

:coffee:

Originally Posted by cregardener
Really Becky?? You have shown up to board meetings SCREAMING about postings on Facebook. And you brought forth the removal of a Director. Distractions??? You need to go look in the mirror! Anything that you can do or say to make others look bad and you look good is your MO, including blatant character assassinations. You are a toxic mess and that is most likely the reason you haven't been able to get elected as CRE President for 10+ years.

Travis is not the perfect President, but you are the perfect liar and manipulator.

I like this post. :howdy:
Very well said!!!

From my understanding there are more than one toxic person.
Why can't some of the board members do what's best for the community.
Also, why the need to attack Travis?! I do believe you were the one who:cds::cds: tried to blackmail this director!! Than you wonder why ppl don't get involved. Sorry I rather vote for Travis who has a good track record for doing good for the community. What have you accomplished? I hate liars, munipulators, and blackmailers. P.s.s Becky and you don't want to share this plan on how to fix the road cause your worried about someone high jacking your ideas. REALLY???? What about high jacking the idea of recording the meeting for public view online?? Was that your idea??? No, I believe MR.Matters has repeatly asked about them......



I'm not a witch, I'm bipolar....:yahoo:

very well said!!!

From my understanding there are more than one toxic person.
Why can't some of the board members do what's best for the community.
Also, why the need to attack travis?! I do believe you were the one who:cds::cds: Tried to blackmail this director!! Than you wonder why ppl don't get involved. Sorry i rather vote for travis who has a good track record for doing good for the community. What have you accomplished? I hate liars, munipulators, and blackmailers. P.s.s becky and you don't want to share this plan on how to fix the road cause your worried about someone high jacking your ideas. Really???? What about high jacking the idea of recording the meeting for public view online?? Was that your idea??? No, i believe mr.matters has repeatly asked about them......



I'm not a witch, i'm bipolar....:yahoo:

blackmail????????? W o w

blackmail????????? W o w

Yeah.... I'd like to hear more about that too!

:killingme

:coffee:

Very well said!!!

From my understanding there are more than one toxic person.
Why can't some of the board members do what's best for the community.
Also, why the need to attack Travis?! I do believe you were the one who:cds::cds: tried to blackmail this director!! Than you wonder why ppl don't get involved. Sorry I rather vote for Travis who has a good track record for doing good for the community. What have you accomplished? I hate liars, munipulators, and blackmailers. P.s.s Becky and you don't want to share this plan on how to fix the road cause your worried about someone high jacking your ideas. REALLY???? What about high jacking the idea of recording the meeting for public view online?? Was that your idea??? No, I believe MR.Matters has repeatly asked about them......



I'm not a witch, I'm bipolar....:yahoo:

Dang, that says it all. Still waiting for the big secret plan on how to fund roads so they can all be paved when they get rid of the STD next year. Besides what ever plan she has was probably thought of before by someone else. She trying to hijack anything she can in order to make herself look good, even if it means stepping others on the way by. People like that don't deserve support, she'll even try to smear those who are trying to do good for this community. Shame. :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

Of course my plan was thought of by someone else.... it's used in St. Mary's County and Montgomery County... that's how I know it's legal....

We'll only have a year.... don't want to try re-inventing the wheel and waiting while it goes through some legal journey to make sure we can do it...

It's one of the options in the Task Force report....

I don't see any plans coming from anyone else.... so I started doing the research....

:coffee:

I want to know who I'm supposed to be blackmailing.... :killingme

I don't know any gossip on any of the board members good enough to blackmail them with.... we're not that exciting...:killingme

All this blackmailing stuff reminds me of kids saying "I'll tell" .... problem is I don't spend any time with any of the board members alone... so I can't know anything that I can "tell".... :killingme

:coffee:

Dang, that says it all. Still waiting for the big secret plan on how to fund roads so they can all be paved when they get rid of the STD next year. Besides what ever plan she has was probably thought of before by someone else. She trying to hijack anything she can in order to make herself look good, even if it means stepping others on the way by. People like that don't deserve support, she'll even try to smear those who are trying to do good for this community. Shame. :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

Are you part of that super secret fan club I keep hearing about? :howdy:

Are you part of that super secret fan club I keep hearing about? :howdy:

:coffee:

Let's get on with the business (https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/205078922844428/permalink/450325588319759/) at hand....

This original was posted to SOMD Online as well.... I posted them around June 12th... after the Special Taxing District hearing...

Two members of the board were there.... Michael and I... Jennie arrived late but she also was there....

Dave, Pam and Barbara were there as well....

:coffee:

:coffee:

Let's get on with the business (https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/205078922844428/permalink/450325588319759/) at hand....

This original was posted to SOMD Online as well.... I posted them around June 12th... after the Special Taxing District hearing...

Two members of the board were there.... Michael and I... Jennie arrived late but she also was there....

Dave, Pam and Barbara were there as well....

:coffee:

Oh is it inconvenient to be "interested in CRE talk" if it's not about your manipulating, sniveling, BeckyMcDoNothing-ness? You don't spend any time with the rest of us because we are bored with your "All About Becky Boring Mantras".

The rest of us hang out at super secret social hours at Driftwood Beach on Sundays (oops), host events for the entire community to enjoy, sing and dance in Zumba class, get stretched at our yoga class, collect non perishables for the less fortunate right here in CRE, donate surplus veggies from the community gardens to SMILE so those that must rely on boxed food can have some fresh veggies to go with. And that's only a small list of what we, some board members and committee members actually go out into the community and DO vs. talking about some plan that's been talked about for 10+ years and never implemented.

It's time someone told the truth around here and since you can't and won't, I WILL.

Oh is it inconvenient to be "interested in CRE talk" if it's not about your manipulating, sniveling, BeckyMcDoNothing-ness? You don't spend any time with the rest of us because we are bored with your "All About Becky Boring Mantras".

The rest of us hang out at super secret social hours at Driftwood Beach on Sundays (oops), host events for the entire community to enjoy, sing and dance in Zumba class, get stretched at our yoga class, collect non perishables for the less fortunate right here in CRE, donate surplus veggies from the community gardens to SMILE so those that must rely on boxed food can have some fresh veggies to go with. And that's only a small list of what we, some board members and committee members actually go out into the community and DO vs. talking about some plan that's been talked about for 10+ years and never implemented.

It's time someone told the truth around here and since you can't and won't, I WILL.

I applaud you for all you do. I think it's excellent that the Activities Committee is doing so well. Dee is doing a better job than any before here and her shoes would be extremely hard to fill.

I've worked on all the committees at one time or another with the exception of VTF and Nominating Committee.... I know the work that you, Dee, and other have to put into them.

Right now I'm working with the Emergency Planning Task Force... Dave and Bernie have come up with some excellent ideas to make that project much much better.

I don't feel welcome around you. Actually I feel like I'm imposing when I do try to drop by. It's ok.... it's just the way it is.... so I spend my time with my family whenever there isn't a scheduled meeting.... family is a little more important to me now since the scare with Dani's cancer.

I'm still waiting to hear about this blackmail garbage.... I want to hear the whole scoop on this whopper.... :killingme

As for my plan.... I'm not so sure the members will like it or want to move forward with it.... but it's a plan and I'll be presenting it here and on facebook in the next few days.

Like I said in other posts.... Travis and the Board and the Volunteers have done a good job... we just have different philosophies... It's like some people like Zumba and some like to Walk Away the Pounds (http://www.walkathome.com/category/qvc/).

Thank you again for all you do...

:coffee:

You know the sad part of this is, you don't even remember blackmailing this board member. "If you stop posting on Facebook" like, I said I rather vote for Travis, he has in fact done great for our community. Unlike some " you can move the hell out it will improve our property values" this type of comments are unwanted, immature and unacceptable. How about those who are toxic step aside and let someone who wants to do good get involved... Ty :D


I'm not a witch, I'm bipolar!!!!

You know the sad part of this is, you don't even remember blackmailing this board member. "If you stop posting on Facebook" like, I said I rather vote for Travis, he has in fact done great for our community. Unlike some " you can move the hell out it will improve our property values" this type of comments are unwanted, immature and unacceptable. How about those who are toxic step aside and let someone who wants to do good get involved... Ty :D


I'm not a witch, I'm bipolar!!!!

Wait...:coffee:. I'm not one of the "you can move the hell out" bunch.... I was a spectator on that one! :popcorn: I was also telling Michael to use the phrase IMHO so he would keep himself out of trouble with the board and end the distractions.


I keep hearing I'm blackmailing a board member.... I don't know anything about any board member that I could blackmail a board member with!!!

Also... I'm more of blurt it out kind than a blackmail type.... :killingme

It sounds like someone is telling some tall tales on me. :cds: If someone told this whopper....I'd love to know who it is... im me.... If I did do it.... I'll come back on here and fess up.... I don't have a problem with admitting it when I'm wrong...

:coffee:

See you don't even remember BLACKMAILING Michael Matters..... If you stop posting on Facebook than I will drop everything! More or less your words... So, tell me how you will better community with blackmail????


I'm not witch, I'm bipolar!!!

I applaud you for all you do. I think it's excellent that the Activities Committee is doing so well. Dee is doing a better job than any before here and her shoes would be extremely hard to fill.

I've worked on all the committees at one time or another with the exception of VTF and Nominating Committee.... I know the work that you, Dee, and other have to put into them.

Right now I'm working with the Emergency Planning Task Force... Dave and Bernie have come up with some excellent ideas to make that project much much better.

I don't feel welcome around you. Actually I feel like I'm imposing when I do try to drop by. It's ok.... it's just the way it is.... so I spend my time with my family whenever there isn't a scheduled meeting.... family is a little more important to me now since the scare with Dani's cancer.

I'm still waiting to hear about this blackmail garbage.... I want to hear the whole scoop on this whopper.... :killingme

As for my plan.... I'm not so sure the members will like it or want to move forward with it.... but it's a plan and I'll be presenting it here and on facebook in the next few days.

Like I said in other posts.... Travis and the Board and the Volunteers have done a good job... we just have different philosophies... It's like some people like Zumba and some like to Walk Away the Pounds (http://www.walkathome.com/category/qvc/).

Thank you again for all you do...

:coffee:

And I will thank you when and if you ever do anything, not talk about it, actually do something. Until then, it's all smoke and mirrors. "Working" on Emergency Task Force like how you didn't show up at all to support the volunteers during their 3 days of CERT training. Nothing, nada, zero, zippo. Like when the CERT members wanted to meet to discuss the next stage of planning after training and were told, "We got this". No you don't got this or anything else for that matter. And I'm glad I make you uncomfortable. Shows me which people are afraid of the truth. I'm not fake like you and cheese in someone's face only when you want something like support for an election. That's called being one way. You "serve" on a committee until everyone quits b/c you try to bully everyone who doesn't agree with you. You don't give a crap about anything until election time rolls around and then here pops up concerned, ready to right the wrongs and ills of the world, becky tice. Rinse, blather, repeat.

I told you last year that I give what I get and I'm feeling real generous right about now after listening to your drek for a year.

Rinse, blather, repeat.



:roflmao:

See you don't even remember BLACKMAILING Michael Matters..... If you stop posting on Facebook than I will drop everything! More or less your words... So, tell me how you will better community with blackmail????


I'm not witch, I'm bipolar!!!

That is not what I told Michael Matters.... I told him to stop posting mis-information.

I told him that all he had to do was use IMHO or IMO or state that something was true based on the information he had... etc....

Every single board meeting for the first few months was full of snipes and blasts from the majority of the board back and forth about the posts by Michael...

I tried to get an executive session to discuss it.... Travis said it wasn't legal under the HOA Act....

I knew that Karen, Beth and I would not vote him off.... that's a fact... we joined the board together to save the stables and we weren't going to let him get voted off.... It takes 6 votes to remove a board member...

Knowing that.... I called for a meeting on his removal.... It got his attention... it calmed down the distraction... and then when Karen called and said she want to rescind the vote to have the hearing... I would be ok with it even tho I wouldn't be there to vote for it myself....

Things got better after that... and Michael is much much much better with his facts on facebook.... everyone is happier....

THAT is not blackmail... see I knew there was really nothing to it... :coffee:

And I will thank you when and if you ever do anything, not talk about it, actually do something. Until then, it's all smoke and mirrors. "Working" on Emergency Task Force like how you didn't show up at all to support the volunteers during their 3 days of CERT training. Nothing, nada, zero, zippo. Like when the CERT members wanted to meet to discuss the next stage of planning after training and were told, "We got this". No you don't got this or anything else for that matter. And I'm glad I make you uncomfortable. Shows me which people are afraid of the truth. I'm not fake like you and cheese in someone's face only when you want something like support for an election. That's called being one way. You "serve" on a committee until everyone quits b/c you try to bully everyone who doesn't agree with you. You don't give a crap about anything until election time rolls around and then here pops up concerned, ready to right the wrongs and ills of the world, becky tice. Rinse, blather, repeat.

I told you last year that I give what I get and I'm feeling real generous right about now after listening to your drek for a year.

OMG.... I don't know where you are getting all this stuff....

It's true I didn't go to the CERT training.... I have thanked everyone in person since then....

I'm happy they did it....

I keep saying over and over again... Dee is doing an excellent job....

No one would volunteer until Dee came along.... I had one person who was a non-member who wanted to be chair.... I tried to make it happen... she ran the meeting... she designed the layout for the events.... we had a $1000.00 budget.... she wanted to spend more than we had....

When Travis said he had two people who would take over if I stepped down... I said "good, who are they".... there were a couple of people who were accused of using the activities committee as their own cash cow... I'm glad it wasn't them... I'm glad Dee stepped up... she's doing an excellent job....

What I resent is the way Travis walked in to a meeting in front of people I really didn't know and told me I was not welcome there anymore.... that was not a proper way to handle it....

It all turned out very nice... My feelings are still a little raw but they will get better eventually... and the Activities Committee is better than it's ever been...

I don't know why you are so angry with me.... but hey...

:coffee:

OMG.... I don't know where you are getting all this stuff....

It's true I didn't go to the CERT training.... I have thanked everyone in person since then....

I'm happy they did it....

I keep saying over and over again... Dee is doing an excellent job....

No one would volunteer until Dee came along.... I had one person who was a non-member who wanted to be chair.... I tried to make it happen... she ran the meeting... she designed the layout for the events.... we had a $1000.00 budget.... she wanted to spend more than we had....

When Travis said he had two people who would take over if I stepped down... I said "good, who are they".... there were a couple of people who were accused of using the activities committee as their own cash cow... I'm glad it wasn't them... I'm glad Dee stepped up... she's doing an excellent job....

What I resent is the way Travis walked in to a meeting in front of people I really didn't know and told me I was not welcome there anymore.... that was not a proper way to handle it....

It all turned out very nice... My feelings are still a little raw but they will get better eventually... and the Activities Committee is better than it's ever been...

I don't know why you are so angry with me.... but hey...

:coffee:

Becky,
We remember that meeting differently, I did not say you were not welcome. I told you that I had people who wanted to step up and do activities, but were uncomfortable working with you. As I remember it I asked you to step down for a trial period, if the new crew worked out great, if not then you would return to the activities liaison position. As we have seen, things have worked out well.
Travis
Vote SCOTT in the CRE Presidential election:howdy:

"I don't know why you are so angry with me.... but hey... "

Because you are truly stupid or you are fake acting stupid b/c it's convenient to do so at the moment. Either trait isn't good for the community. Your "poor wittle bucky" act doesn't wash.

Becky,
We remember that meeting differently, I did not say you were not welcome. I told you that I had people who wanted to step up and do activities, but were uncomfortable working with you. As I remember it I asked you to step down for a trial period, if the new crew worked out great, if not then you would return to the activities liaison position. As we have seen, things have worked out well.
Travis
Vote SCOTT in the CRE Presidential election:howdy:

Travis.... you said that to me in front of people I didn't even know.... it was embarrassing...

I'm glad you got Dee to take over activities.... I'm just still a little raw about the way you let me go.... I'm glad Activities is going so well.... I'm glad Activities is going so well.... It's a very difficult committee and Dee is doing it so well...

:coffee:

Travis.... you said that to me in front of people I didn't even know....

I'm glad you got Dee to take over activities.... I'm just still a little raw about the way you let me go.... I'm glad Activities is going so well.... I'm glad Activities is going so well.... It's a very difficult committee and Dee is doing it so well...

:coffee:

So, the truth hurt and you are mad at Travis about it? Instead of being mad at the people who are unwilling to work with you, or at Travis for giving you the message, why don't you look at the possibility that you might be the problem?

I live in CRE, and I consider myself an average/typical resident.



As such, I would just like to point out to the illustrious candidates one simple fact:



This kind of bickering and childish behavior makes me want to give ALL of you the finger, and leaving a giant flaming paper bag of feces at the CRE office.


Grow the #### up.

I live in CRE, and I consider myself an average/typical resident.



As such, I would just like to point out to the illustrious candidates one simple fact:



This kind of bickering and childish behavior makes me want to give ALL of you the finger, and leaving a giant flaming paper bag of feces at the CRE office.


Grow the #### up.

Great point, I regret being lured into this thread. Im out.
Travis

I live in CRE, and I consider myself an average/typical resident.



As such, I would just like to point out to the illustrious candidates one simple fact:



This kind of bickering and childish behavior makes me want to give ALL of you the finger, and leaving a giant flaming paper bag of feces at the CRE office.


Grow the #### up.

I know the feeling.

So Becky after reading this thread from start to the lastest post I get the feeling this is not what you wanted.

So Becky after reading this thread from start to the lastest post I get the feeling this is not what you wanted.

Yep, what started out as a simple thread turned into a bashing session. Be careful what you ask for, you might just get your just desserts. :dingding::dingding::dingding:

So Becky after reading this thread from start to the lastest post I get the feeling this is not what you wanted.

If you're talking about the thread... it's pretty normal.....

If you're talking about the Special Taxing District.... It is what I wanted.... to the letter....

If you're talking about my chances to win at the election.... I've been rejected so many times .... and I keep saying that's the last time.... and I keep working...

I've made a lot of people angry.... I made people mad when I worked to get the campgrounds cleaned out.... I made people mad when I talked against unmarkable fee increases... I made people mad when I stood up in the last 2 Special Taxing District hearings.

I made people mad when I was part of terminating the contract of a jack ass of a manager who was terrorizing the women in the office and downloading porn on the server.... I'm sorry there was collateral damage with that one....

I made people mad when I talked about the people in the office who just don't seem to work.... I worked there I know who does work and who just grabs a paycheck.... I also talked about employees who talked too much about the members....

I made a couple of people furious when I refused to rule in favor of a committee volunteer.... the committee couldn't provide consistant paperwork... it wasn't their fault... this came up in the middle of the reorganization after bad volunteer work before them.... but the member had a perfect storm of errors... I really wanted to cry when I got home because I had to let him off.... Those women were furious and they had a right to be.... but the documents they had and the documents we had were totally different.... completely different rules...

I also made the people on the cliffs mad when I said the members of CRE as a whole shouldn't pay to save their million dollar view. The built their homes on a cliff that's falling into the bay... It's their disaster... I feel bad for them, but I can't afford to help them... and most of the people I know can't afford to help them either....

So if you want to know if this is what I expected.... it is....

I love CRE... I have deer, bunnies, robins, cardinals and more in my yard.... I can walk to the beach... walk to a fishing hole... or I can drive a few miles and sit and watch the tide come in....

I like to talk about CRE.... And... I figure it's time I run for President...

I've done the census twice in here... I've been an election judge every election since I moved here in 1998 [except the year I ran for Commissioner].

I've met a lot of people who would vote for me... they all have families tho.... It's hard for them to come up with the mortgage let alone another $400.... I know a few elderly people too.... they are barely making ends meet....

If a bunch of these members can get together the time and money to get to member in good status.... they'll vote for me.... so I just have to see how the economy goes....

It's normal... It's an open thread....

:coffee:

If you're talking about the thread... it's pretty normal.....

If you're talking about the Special Taxing District.... It is what I wanted.... to the letter....

If you're talking about my chances to win at the election.... I've been rejected so many times .... and I keep saying that's the last time.... and I keep working...

I've made a lot of people angry.... I made people mad when I worked to get the campgrounds cleaned out.... I made people mad when I talked against unmarkable fee increases... I made people mad when I stood up in the last 2 Special Taxing District hearings.

I made people mad when I was part of terminating the contract of a jack ass of a manager who was terrorizing the women in the office and downloading porn on the server.... I'm sorry there was collateral damage with that one....

I made people mad when I talked about the people in the office who just don't seem to work.... I worked there I know who does work and who just grabs a paycheck.... I also talked about employees who talked too much about the members....

I made a couple of people furious when I refused to rule in favor of a committee volunteer.... the committee couldn't provide consistant paperwork... it wasn't their fault... this came up in the middle of the reorganization after bad volunteer work before them.... but the member had a perfect storm of errors... I really wanted to cry when I got home because I had to let him off.... Those women were furious and they had a right to be.... but the documents they had and the documents we had were totally different.... completely different rules...

I also made the people on the cliffs mad when I said the members of CRE as a whole shouldn't pay to save their million dollar view. The built their homes on a cliff that's falling into the bay... It's their disaster... I feel bad for them, but I can't afford to help them... and most of the people I know can't afford to help them either....

So if you want to know if this is what I expected.... it is....

I love CRE... I have deer, bunnies, robins, cardinals and more in my yard.... I can walk to the beach... walk to a fishing hole... or I can drive a few miles and sit and watch the tide come in....

I like to talk about CRE.... And... I figure it's time I run for President...

I've done the census twice in here... I've been an election judge every election since I moved here in 1998 [except the year I ran for Commissioner].

I've met a lot of people who would vote for me... they all have families tho.... It's hard for them to come up with the mortgage let alone another $400.... I know a few elderly people too.... they are barely making ends meet....

If a bunch of these members can get together the time and money to get to member in good status.... they'll vote for me.... so I just have to see how the economy goes....

It's normal... It's an open thread....

:coffee:


In the end it's still all about you. You have yet to provide anything that would convince me to vote for you. Ego gets you nowhere. :killingme

If you're talking about the thread... it's pretty normal.....

If you're talking about the Special Taxing District.... It is what I wanted.... to the letter....

If you're talking about my chances to win at the election.... I've been rejected so many times .... and I keep saying that's the last time.... and I keep working...

I've made a lot of people angry.... I made people mad when I worked to get the campgrounds cleaned out.... I made people mad when I talked against unmarkable fee increases... I made people mad when I stood up in the last 2 Special Taxing District hearings.

I made people mad when I was part of terminating the contract of a jack ass of a manager who was terrorizing the women in the office and downloading porn on the server.... I'm sorry there was collateral damage with that one....

I made people mad when I talked about the people in the office who just don't seem to work.... I worked there I know who does work and who just grabs a paycheck.... I also talked about employees who talked too much about the members....

I made a couple of people furious when I refused to rule in favor of a committee volunteer.... the committee couldn't provide consistant paperwork... it wasn't their fault... this came up in the middle of the reorganization after bad volunteer work before them.... but the member had a perfect storm of errors... I really wanted to cry when I got home because I had to let him off.... Those women were furious and they had a right to be.... but the documents they had and the documents we had were totally different.... completely different rules...

I also made the people on the cliffs mad when I said the members of CRE as a whole shouldn't pay to save their million dollar view. The built their homes on a cliff that's falling into the bay... It's their disaster... I feel bad for them, but I can't afford to help them... and most of the people I know can't afford to help them either....

So if you want to know if this is what I expected.... it is....

I love CRE... I have deer, bunnies, robins, cardinals and more in my yard.... I can walk to the beach... walk to a fishing hole... or I can drive a few miles and sit and watch the tide come in....

I like to talk about CRE.... And... I figure it's time I run for President...

I've done the census twice in here... I've been an election judge every election since I moved here in 1998 [except the year I ran for Commissioner].

I've met a lot of people who would vote for me... they all have families tho.... It's hard for them to come up with the mortgage let alone another $400.... I know a few elderly people too.... they are barely making ends meet....

If a bunch of these members can get together the time and money to get to member in good status.... they'll vote for me.... so I just have to see how the economy goes....

It's normal... It's an open thread....

:coffee:

Just my 2 cents... It would be to your benefit if you hired a PR Person and shut the hell up....:coffee:

just my 2 cents... It would be to your benefit if you hired a pr person and shut the hell up....:coffee:

lol

Where did everyone go? gee when it gets negative or the topic gets away from the person who started it, it all goes away? oh well, if it doesn't go your way, just take your ball and go home. :shrug::shrug:

Where did everyone go? gee when it gets negative or the topic gets away from the person who started it, it all goes away? oh well, if it doesn't go your way, just take your ball and go home. :shrug::shrug:

I was studying for the debate tonight.... It was a lot of fun....

Walter, Connie, and Mark put on a Candidates forum tonight... 5 of the 7 candidates were there.... The questions were excellent....

I really enjoyed myself and I hope everyone there did too....

Anyone that lives in CRE- or most of Lusby for that matter- has seen the gentleman that picks up trash. I believe he is a DC firefighter. I have stopped and thanked him several times.
It is my understanding he is moving out of Maryland soon.

I hope whoever the powers to be are in CRE; have a plan for who is going to pick up all the garbage thrown out by some of the fidiots and trash that live and work in CRE.

Anyone that lives in CRE- or most of Lusby for that matter- has seen the gentleman that picks up trash. I believe he is a DC firefighter. I have stopped and thanked him several times.
It is my understanding he is moving out of Maryland soon.

I hope whoever the powers to be are in CRE; have a plan for who is going to pick up all the garbage thrown out by some of the fidiots and trash that live and work in CRE.

Good for him, he gets to escape this socialist cesspool of a state.

If you're talking about the thread... it's pretty normal.....

If you're talking about the Special Taxing District.... It is what I wanted.... to the letter....

If you're talking about my chances to win at the election.... I've been rejected so many times .... and I keep saying that's the last time.... and I keep working...

I've made a lot of people angry.... I made people mad when I worked to get the campgrounds cleaned out.... I made people mad when I talked against unmarkable fee increases... I made people mad when I stood up in the last 2 Special Taxing District hearings.

I made people mad when I was part of terminating the contract of a jack ass of a manager who was terrorizing the women in the office and downloading porn on the server.... I'm sorry there was collateral damage with that one....

I made people mad when I talked about the people in the office who just don't seem to work.... I worked there I know who does work and who just grabs a paycheck.... I also talked about employees who talked too much about the members....

I made a couple of people furious when I refused to rule in favor of a committee volunteer.... the committee couldn't provide consistant paperwork... it wasn't their fault... this came up in the middle of the reorganization after bad volunteer work before them.... but the member had a perfect storm of errors... I really wanted to cry when I got home because I had to let him off.... Those women were furious and they had a right to be.... but the documents they had and the documents we had were totally different.... completely different rules...

I also made the people on the cliffs mad when I said the members of CRE as a whole shouldn't pay to save their million dollar view. The built their homes on a cliff that's falling into the bay... It's their disaster... I feel bad for them, but I can't afford to help them... and most of the people I know can't afford to help them either....

So if you want to know if this is what I expected.... it is....

I love CRE... I have deer, bunnies, robins, cardinals and more in my yard.... I can walk to the beach... walk to a fishing hole... or I can drive a few miles and sit and watch the tide come in....

I like to talk about CRE.... And... I figure it's time I run for President...

I've done the census twice in here... I've been an election judge every election since I moved here in 1998 [except the year I ran for Commissioner].

I've met a lot of people who would vote for me... they all have families tho.... It's hard for them to come up with the mortgage let alone another $400.... I know a few elderly people too.... they are barely making ends meet....

If a bunch of these members can get together the time and money to get to member in good status.... they'll vote for me.... so I just have to see how the economy goes....

It's normal... It's an open thread....

:coffee:

So after the election results came out you still have some work. You have 69 no 68, one of those votes was yours, people to add to the "Mad at me list"

Well its time to run again! Are you in???


If you're talking about the thread... it's pretty normal.....

If you're talking about the Special Taxing District.... It is what I wanted.... to the letter....

If you're talking about my chances to win at the election.... I've been rejected so many times .... and I keep saying that's the last time.... and I keep working...

I've made a lot of people angry.... I made people mad when I worked to get the campgrounds cleaned out.... I made people mad when I talked against unmarkable fee increases... I made people mad when I stood up in the last 2 Special Taxing District hearings.

I made people mad when I was part of terminating the contract of a jack ass of a manager who was terrorizing the women in the office and downloading porn on the server.... I'm sorry there was collateral damage with that one....

I made people mad when I talked about the people in the office who just don't seem to work.... I worked there I know who does work and who just grabs a paycheck.... I also talked about employees who talked too much about the members....

I made a couple of people furious when I refused to rule in favor of a committee volunteer.... the committee couldn't provide consistant paperwork... it wasn't their fault... this came up in the middle of the reorganization after bad volunteer work before them.... but the member had a perfect storm of errors... I really wanted to cry when I got home because I had to let him off.... Those women were furious and they had a right to be.... but the documents they had and the documents we had were totally different.... completely different rules...

I also made the people on the cliffs mad when I said the members of CRE as a whole shouldn't pay to save their million dollar view. The built their homes on a cliff that's falling into the bay... It's their disaster... I feel bad for them, but I can't afford to help them... and most of the people I know can't afford to help them either....

So if you want to know if this is what I expected.... it is....

I love CRE... I have deer, bunnies, robins, cardinals and more in my yard.... I can walk to the beach... walk to a fishing hole... or I can drive a few miles and sit and watch the tide come in....

I like to talk about CRE.... And... I figure it's time I run for President...

I've done the census twice in here... I've been an election judge every election since I moved here in 1998 [except the year I ran for Commissioner].

I've met a lot of people who would vote for me... they all have families tho.... It's hard for them to come up with the mortgage let alone another $400.... I know a few elderly people too.... they are barely making ends meet....

If a bunch of these members can get together the time and money to get to member in good status.... they'll vote for me.... so I just have to see how the economy goes....

It's normal... It's an open thread....

:coffee:

Thought it might be interesting to get into the politics of Chesapeake Ranch Estates again.

It's that time of year again..... ;)

I'm thinking of nominating myself for a spot on the Board again.... whatcha think?

I've been doing this for a long time [longer than JP].... :coffee:

Nobody cares...

Nobody cares...

If you don't care, why did you reply to a 9 month old post?